PODCAST · sports
SHIT2GRIT
by Marshall Zweig and David Hughes
We're trauma-informed relationship coach Marshall Zweig, and commercial artist David Hughes: longtime friends, and long-suffering fans of the Detroit Lions, a team synonymous our entire lives with losing.Well...they used to be.SHIT2GRIT℠ is about getting hurt, about opening back up, about shedding old perspectives and adopting new ones.For us, football is a chance to go deep.Join our friendship as we explore memories, debrief experiences, master communication…and root for the team in Honolulu blue. | marshallzweig.com/shit2grit | @2023 Zweig/Hughes | WARNING: ADULT LANGUAGE
Episodes
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"They don't get paid to be in neutral"
We didn't have outrage. We didn't predict doom. We just had that familiar Lions-fan instinct to protect ourselves by looking away. Marshall and David admit: we almost didn’t watch. Heck, David didn't watch a play until after the game was over. After a season of unmet expectations and emotional...
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"Let's run it back"
David and Marshall don’t waste time pretending this one doesn’t hurt. The season, for all intents and purposes, is over. No playoffs. No miracle run. No Super Bowl, for yet another season. We talk through what really went wrong: yes, the ripple effects of injuries, but mostly, the offensive line...
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"Maybe. We'll see."
This one starts with pain—literal pain. Marshall takes a tumble down the stairs, and suddenly he has first-hand empathy for what NFL players wake up with every Monday. David follows with his own Hall of Fame wipeouts, including a Ring-doorbell-captured slide that deserves its own blooper reel.…
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"I'm glad I raised my hand" (part 2 of 2)
⚠️ Content Note: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault in the context of a jury trial. Listener discretion advised. David picks up where his story left off: when the jury room door closes and twelve strangers must decide another human’s fate. David walks us through what it felt like…
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"I knew when you walked in" (part 1 of 2)
⚠️ Content Note: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault in the context of a jury trial. Listener discretion advised. We start with football: the Lions taking down the Baltimore Ravens—and with them, the last shred of doubt about who this team really is. Touchdowns traded, gutsy fourth...
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“This could change everything”
This episode’s different: David isn’t on the mic. He’s preoccupied with something heavy, something consuming. So Marshall does the show to him instead of with him. It starts with joy: Marshall’s enduring memory from the Lions’ mauling of the Chicago Bears will not be trick plays, or even the many...
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"What I saw was a window closed"
The Lions came out flat. And for the first time in the Dan Campbell era, so did our hope. For Marshall, the Lions' lackluster loss to the Green Bay Packers hit so hard he did what he’s never done under Dan Campbell: he shut the game off. And as he reached for the remote, he heard his father’s old...
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"Smells like carrots"
New Green Bay Packers All-Pro linebacker Micah Parsons says trick plays are for cowards. The Lions say: see you at the line of scrimmage. In this episode, we dig into the Lions’ evolving identity now that Ben Johnson’s razzle-dazzle is gone and John Morton is calling plays. Are the Lions really…
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"For you, tackle football IS football"
Young Detroit Lions safety Morice Norris went down in a preseason game, and 67,500 people went silent, while rival players became an instant brotherhood. We start there: the moment both sidelines chose humanity over the scoreboard. From there, we wrestle with the myth of “the show must go on” and...
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"We're all in on the same secret"
We’ve got ten minutes and one big question: what does this Detroit Lions offense look like without the trickery? In this episode, we ponder what offensive life will like post-Ben Johnson. We say goodbye to the razzle-dazzle of the former Lions offensive coordinator's bag of tricks—and ask if…
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"The truth is, you're lying"
This one’s about the lies people tell—and the ones we tell ourselves. We start with an update on David's beef with the Arts and Leisure department: that there's no real update, just silence. AI's suspicion as to why helps us transition to a new Netflix docuseries on the 1995 O.J. Simpson...
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"So shines a good deed in a weary world"
They blew David off one too many times. Now, he's got the goods—and the AI-generated (with a little poke from Marshall) script. David’s son Archer—high school junior and marimba wunderkind—wants to play for tips at the local farmer’s market. So David and Archer fill out the forms, submit the…
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"It's coming"
Our Season 3 opener has anticipation written all over it. David and Marshall go through the draft pick by pick—and despite the residual pain of last season's abrupt end, we can't help but get axcited. From instant reactions to long-view strategy, we break down why Brad Holmes just might still be…
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"It left an emptiness"
[NOTE: Pardon Marshall's mic on this episode—it isn't connected properly. And David did try to warn me, but I told him it was on HIS end…] In this belated season finale, we explain why we ghosted you all—and the Lions—as we reflect on our emotional journey as fans of this team. We discuss the...
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"I wish him failure"
David and Marshall discuss cocktails based on Manhattan boroughs, give our takes on the Detroit Lions' outgoing and incoming offensive and defensive coordinators, and hatch a plan for David's upcoming speed-dating event. Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist, "Blowin Steam (Open Up Your Mind)"
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"Root for Washington to go all the way"
Recorded right after the Detroit Lions were unceremoniously bounced from the NFL playoffs, David and Marshall discuss the emotional aftermath of the loss. We analyze key moments from the game, including coaching decisions, and reflect on the future of the team in blue. Do we need to reevaluate…
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"POV" (Bonus episode)
In this live—and live-wire—bonus convo, Marshall and David discuss a controversial play involving NFL player Brian Branch, who got a penalty for pushing an opposing player who was on the ground. David says the penalty on Branch was unwarranted; Marshall argues Branch broke the rules. Along the…
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"Count to three"
In this conversation, Marshall and David discuss the remarkable resilience of the Detroit Lions' defense, who overcome a staggering list of injuries to earn this team, for the first time ever, the NFC's No. 1 overall seed—and a desperately needed week off. We also celebrate "future head coach"...
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"I'm gonna be rooting for them anyway"
Reflecting realistically on the impact of the Lions’ league-leading injury list, Marshall and David explore what being ‘built for this' actually means (06:09), and predict just how far this team’s resilience can actually carry them. Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist, "Blowin Steam (Open Up...
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"It's about damn time"
After the Thanksgiving victory, Marshall shares how hauntingly familiar the Chicago Bears' woes are to longtime Lions fans. Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist, "Blowin Steam (Open Up Your Mind)"
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"Thank you for giving us that loss"
On a very special Thanksgiving episode (there's actually nothing very special about it—we're just trying to sound like an old network TV promo), David and Marshall reveal just why Dan Campbell's Detroit Lions seem to run up the score, worry about the fact that Las Vegas hates the Lions, and…
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"Somebody else's Da Problem"
Incredibly and historically, the Detroit Lions overcame five turnovers and a 16-point deficit on the road to beat the Houston Texans with a last-second, barely-good Jake Bates field goal. David and Marshall celebrate this defining and unforgettable victory, which somehow turns into a conversation...
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"I want to be Willis Reed"
With the Detroit Lions trouncing everyone in their path, David and Marshall try to unravel the mystery of James Houston (01:50), who set records as a rookie but since then seems to have lost his ability. We also entertain David's conspiracy theory (11:23): that contrary to what ESPN and other…
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"These guys are pattern-breakers"
David and Marshall talk before and (16:31) after the Detroit Lions' dismantling of the Dallas Cowboys on the road, in a vivid display of the effects enduring decades of losing can have on our psyches. Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist, "Blowin Steam (Open Up Your Mind)"
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"The Full Monty" with special guest Tyler Dunne
Special guest Tyler Dunne of Go Long joins us to discuss his riveting article "The Full Monty," which chronicles the incredible litany of trials and tribulations that supremely hard-nosed Detroit Lions running back David Montgomery has endured—and continues to endure—off the field. Theme music…
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"I'm gonna get bruised—you're gonna get dented"
David and Marshall share an insightful Tyler Dunne article from Go Long ("Ass-Kicking Origins: Why the Detroit Lions Are Built for 2024 Football") to explain why they weren't the least bit worried about the Lions going into the Arizona Cardinals game. Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist,...
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"The Lions finally roar"
Author Bill Morris joins us to discuss The Lions Finally Roar, his chronicle of the Detroit Lions's organizational dysfunction and dramatic turnaround. (02:40) The time David kind of met William Clay Ford (05:08) The urine-soaked legacy of the Silverdome (07:49) How Bill’s father was almost the...
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"And now they've got everyone talking"
We document the unimaginable: a meaningless Detroit Lions preseason finale that a) was sold out—even for standing-room-only!—and b) featured a crowd so loud they actually affected the outcome of the game. Then: (10:10) Did David invent the phrase "going sideways?" Did Marshall invent The Floor is...
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"I wish I were a human AI"
David and Marshall discuss: David's observations of his son's band-camp dance this week—and our own nerve-wracking high-school experiences calling girls we liked; who's playing—and who should be playing—John Madden in the upcoming biopic on his life (08:33); who wins the daily practice battle...
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"Xerox could own the world"
Inspired by the Detroit Lions' reinvention many of us believed would never happen, David and Marshall discuss and debate other successful—and unsuccessful—reinventions in our lifetimes, in entertainment, business and (20:38) sports. Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist, "Blowin Steam (Open Up...
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"Your mom and dad would approve"
David and Marshall discuss what the preseason really means, flash back to when the most popular person in Detroit was our backup quarterback (06:17), and wonder if backup QBs get practice reps with the first-team offense (08:00). Then we ask: when, if ever, should an NFL player choose going down…
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"Salt of the earth"
Part 2 of 2. David wonders if our phones are listening to us, tells Marshall how to make their bedroom bats more effective against intruders (07:59), and has an intense reaction to a comment Dan Campbell made to Sports Illustrated (11:38). Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist, "Blowin Steam...
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"If it presents itself"
Part 1 of 2. David and Marshall try to solve a dead-rabbits mystery before they discuss second chances: will the Detroit Lions become only the third NFL team in the last 30 years to lose a conference championship, and come back the next season to win it (18:34)? And…what about second chances in...
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"Okay, great!"
Part 3 of 3. Heather joins for a fascinating 'offseason' (translation: about our friendship, not football) episode. Last time, David was rocked when Heather said the phrase "okay, great!" David shares what that moment was like for him (01:17); then Heather explains what was actually going on for...
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"We share scars"
Pt. 2 of 3. David and Marshall discuss: What David said to that know-it-all neighbor about his perennials (01:30) Do Black people need sunscreen? (04:01) Then Heather joins us to resolve hurt feelings from the last time we were at David's house (08:35). Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist,...
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"Three guys singing"
Part 1 of 3. On Father's Day, David and Marshall intend to record an episode on the Lions and reinvention, but this time we get lost in the weeds (pun intended) breaking down Marshall's experience mowing his first-ever lawn earlier this week. Also discussed: the transformative power of making…
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"Keep being brave"
Football is essentially over until training camp. But our ongoing conversation continues, without football this week. We started this season of SHIT2GRIT revisiting the violent tale of Cam Sutton, which apparently occurred when he was dealing with a failed relationship. We've also been talking...
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"I'm Joyce DeWitt" (Pt. 3)
Part 3 of 3. Brad Holmes has a proven track record as a GM in every area but one: re-signing his own draft picks. Holmes just gave cornerstone deals to three players: Amon-Ra St. Brown, Penei Sewell and Jared Goff. From Marshall’s perspective, all three cornerstones are not on equal footing. From...
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"I want to learn" (Pt. 2)
Pt. 2 of 3. David sends Marshall an Instagram video of two football players, one expressing frustration with the other's on-field communication. It launches us into a discussion about the nature of communication in high-pressure situations in professional sports. What's the impact of ego on your...
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"We're here to make mistakes" (Pt. 1)
Part 1 of 3. On our way to a conversation about Brad Holmes, David and Marshall get sidetracked. We reflect on: our 50th episode; what got Marshall into podcasting and into football; David recalls a phrase from last week that bothered David but resonated for Marshall; what bothered us both about...
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"The sky's the limit:" Part 2 of special guest Chris Perfett breaking down the Lions' draft class
Part 2 of 2. Chris Perfett of the late Pride of Detroit PODcast finishes his breakdown of the Detroit Lions' 2024 draft. Chris also discusses game theory, his relationship with sports, and what the PODcast journey has meant to him. Afterwards, David and Marshall debrief how stressful it was…
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"Far more than adequate:" Chris Perfett joins us to break down the Lions' 2024 draft class
Part 1 of 2. David and Marshall are thrilled to have Chris Perfett, creator and host of the now-defunct Pride of Detroit PODcast, join us to break down the Lions' draft. Covered on Part 1: the draft in the D; Terrion Arnold; Ennis Rakestraw Jr.; the Lions's cornerbacks room; man-mountain Giovanni...
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"It gives you something to look forward to"
On the weekend before the 2024 NFL draft, and as we get back into the groove of doing the show, David and Marshall reflect on what's changed for us as longtime Lions fans in one calendar year. We discuss: what it's like to be rooting for a winning Lions culture for the first time ever what makes…
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"I see you:" revisiting the troubling tale of Cameron Sutton
In the Season 2 premiere, David and Marshall delve back into the story of former Detroit Lions cornerback Cameron Sutton, who committed a violent crime, fled the scene, and avoided the police for almost a month before turning himself in. We consider the impact of violent jobs on personal...
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"He's gonna lead this team to a Super Bowl"
Season 1 finale. David and Marshall begin their final convo of the season by talking about running, marathons and punchlines (01:57), 'press on' (you're welcome, David) with acknowledgements of friends of this podcast (05:43), reflect on this season of our show (09:50) and of this remarkable…
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"You have to be two things: good and lucky"
Many OG Detroit Lions fans went negative after the Lions' devastating loss in the NFC Championship game. Not David and Marshall. "It makes me nervous, but that means I should do it" (01:06) | "Younger siblings seem to not rush into stuff" (04:32) | "He looks devastated" (09:54) | "I think Brad...
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"There's something about him that I believe in"
The Detroit Lions now stand one win from the Super Bowl. David raises a glass to toast the playoff victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (01:35); then we discuss TV shows with dark endings, answering machine messages, talking with dads and wrestling with sons (05:40). Next, we consider how unique...
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"That's the earth exploding"
In an emotional episode, David and Marshall talk before and after the Detroit Lions' first playoff victory in 32 years. Before the game starts, David helps Marshall recapture the feeling of hope as a fan watching a game. The morning after the win (26:39), the team's generational accomplishment...
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"Why on earth did you raise your hand?"
David and Marshall prepared an episode anticipating an uneventful contest against the Minnesota Vikings to close out the 2023 regular season. Since the game was decidedly eventful, we begin by sharing our polarized reactions to Detroit Lions coach Dan Campbell's approach in the finale: start...
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"We f---ing warned you, Brad"
Before the thrilling Lions victory that wasn't against the Dallas Cowboys, David and Marshall consider where belief in a team comes from. After the game (22:17), we find inspiration, not dejection, in the Lions's resolute performance. Theme music: Mr. Jukes and Barney Artist, "Blowin Steam (Open…
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
We're trauma-informed relationship coach Marshall Zweig, and commercial artist David Hughes: longtime friends, and long-suffering fans of the Detroit Lions, a team synonymous our entire lives with losing.Well...they used to be.SHIT2GRIT℠ is about getting hurt, about opening back up, about shedding old perspectives and adopting new ones.For us, football is a chance to go deep.Join our friendship as we explore memories, debrief experiences, master communication…and root for the team in Honolulu blue. | marshallzweig.com/shit2grit | @2023 Zweig/Hughes | WARNING: ADULT LANGUAGE
HOSTED BY
Marshall Zweig and David Hughes
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