Song Revolution with John Chisum

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Is Your Song Ready?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John continues exploring the NCS Complete Songwriting Guide with Theme #2: Taking Your Work from Demo to the World. He walks songwriters through the essential stages of music production—from simple voice memos to professional master recordings—and explains how each level serves a specific purpose in developing and sharing your songs. John emphasizes that songwriting success isn't about rushing into expensive studio recordings but about progressing wisely through each stage. He discusses the importance of capturing ideas quickly with work demos, developing songs through home demos, and only investing in professional production after a song has been tested and proven to resonate with listeners. Along the way, John addresses the role of technology and AI in modern songwriting, offering practical wisdom on how tools can support creativity without replacing authentic songwriting. This episode provides a clear roadmap for moving your songs from inspiration to impact—helping songwriters steward both their creativity and their resources wisely.   EPISODE TOPICS Introduction to Theme #2: Taking Your Work from Demo to the World The three levels of song production Understanding the purpose of work demos Using voice memos to capture songwriting ideas Developing songs through home demo recordings Deciding whether to build a home studio or hire professionals Avoiding costly mistakes in professional production Knowing when a song is ready for studio investment Using AI tools wisely in the demo process Releasing music to digital service providers (DSPs) Stewarding time, money, and creativity wisely Testing songs before committing to major production   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Understanding the Three Levels of Production: John outlines the progression from work demos to home demos to professional master recordings. Each level serves a distinct purpose, helping songwriters move gradually from idea to polished release. Start with Simple Work Demos: A work demo—often just a voice memo—captures melody and lyrics quickly before inspiration fades. The goal isn't perfection, but clarity and preservation of ideas. Home Demos Help Develop the Song: Home recordings allow songwriters to experiment with arrangements and instrumentation. However, John cautions writers to carefully weigh the time and learning curve involved in building technical production skills. Choose Your Focus Wisely: Songwriters must decide where to invest their time—becoming engineers or becoming better writers. While some can do both, many benefit from focusing primarily on songwriting craft. Avoid Expensive Production Too Soon: John shares cautionary stories of songwriters investing thousands of dollars into unproven songs. He stresses that professional recordings should come only after songs have been refined and validated through feedback. Test Songs Before Investing: Before moving to high-level production, songwriters should seek feedback and ensure their songs resonate with listeners. A proven song is far more deserving of financial investment. Using AI as a Tool, Not a Replacement: AI tools can help generate demo versions of songs when the melody and lyrics are already written. However, John emphasizes maintaining integrity by ensuring the creative foundation remains authentically human. Understanding Master Recordings: If you plan to release music on streaming platforms, you'll need a master recording that meets professional quality standards. This level of production represents the final stage of sharing your music with the world.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Every song deserves a thoughtful journey from idea to impact. Don't rush into expensive production before your songs are ready. Start by capturing ideas simply, develop them carefully, test them with others, and invest wisely when the time is right. When you move intentionally through each stage, your songs have the best chance to connect with listeners and make a lasting difference.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Are You Drifting as a Songwriter?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John introduces Theme #1 from the brand-new NCS Complete Songwriting Guide—the call to become an intentional Christian songwriter. Rather than writing sporadically or waiting for inspiration to strike, John challenges songwriters to develop a clear plan, take consistent steps forward, and steward their calling with purpose. Drawing from decades of songwriting experience, John shares how many writers dream of being heard on radio, in churches, or around the world—but often lack the intentional habits necessary to get there. He explains why lasting growth doesn't happen through giant leaps, but through small, faithful steps taken consistently over time. This episode lays the foundation for the upcoming themes in the guide, encouraging songwriters to move beyond hobby-level creativity and step into purposeful development. It's a motivating and practical call to stop drifting and start growing as a songwriter who writes with vision, discipline, and faith.   EPISODE TOPICS Introduction to the NCS Complete Songwriting Guide Theme #1: Becoming an intentional Christian songwriter Why many songwriters stay stuck without a clear plan The difference between dreaming and doing Taking incremental steps toward songwriting growth Moving from hobbyist thinking to purposeful development Investing time, energy, and resources into your calling Developing spiritual and creative discipline Creating momentum through small, consistent actions Building a long-term vision for your songwriting journey   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Introducing the NCS Complete Songwriting Guide: John shares the heart behind creating an 80-page resource designed to help Christian songwriters take meaningful, practical steps toward growth. The guide outlines 12 essential themes to help writers develop both skill and purpose. Intentional Songwriting Starts with a Plan: Many songwriters have dreams but lack structure. John emphasizes that growth requires intention—setting goals, creating rhythms, and making songwriting a priority rather than an afterthought. Small Steps Lead to Big Results: Instead of trying to make giant leaps, songwriters are encouraged to focus on consistent, manageable actions. Incremental growth builds confidence, skill, and long-term momentum. From Hobby to Calling: Writing songs casually can be fulfilling, but those who feel called to share their message more broadly must treat songwriting as a discipline worth investing in. Feed Your Mind and Spirit: True growth happens when songwriters nurture both their creative skills and their spiritual lives—drawing inspiration from the Holy Spirit while developing practical tools. Get Unstuck by Taking Action: Waiting for the perfect moment often leads to stagnation. Progress begins when songwriters take the next available step, even if it feels small. Your Calling Deserves Stewardship: Songwriting is not just a creative outlet—it's a responsibility. Stewarding your gift well means being intentional about growth, learning, and consistent effort.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Great songwriting doesn't happen by accident—it happens by intention. If you feel called to write songs that impact others, it's time to move beyond wishful thinking and take purposeful steps forward. Start where you are, make a plan, and commit to steady growth. Over time, small, faithful actions can lead to powerful results in your songwriting and your calling.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: PHOEBE SCOTT: Is Inspiration Enough to Write Great Songs?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with multi-talented artist, songwriter, top-liner, and coach Phoebe Scott to explore the craft, mindset, and spiritual foundation of songwriting. Phoebe shares her journey from small-town beginnings in West Tennessee to becoming a sought-after top-liner in Nashville, revealing how her early experiences, collaborative songwriting, and creative discipline shaped her career. Together, they dive into songwriting processes, the balance of inspiration and skill, and how faith and intentionality fuel artistry. The episode also includes an improvised songwriting session, giving listeners a behind-the-scenes look at how ideas become songs.   EPISODE TOPICS Phoebe's journey from small-town bands to Nashville songwriting The role of a top-liner and modern collaborative songwriting Developing a prolific songwriting practice Balancing inspiration with skill and discipline Faith, creativity, and the mindset of a songwriter Importance of consuming quality art for creative growth Improvised songwriting exercise: "It's All Good"   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Phoebe's early co-writing experience in Cooper the Band taught her how to write collaboratively and develop artistic identity. Explanation of a top-liner's role: helping artists tell their story through melody and lyrics, supporting their vision while keeping songs cohesive. Insight into how prolific songwriting comes from consistent practice, showing up, and embracing feedback. Faith-centered perspective: every song already exists in God's creation; the songwriter's role is to be faithful and obedient in arranging it. Emphasis on input for output: reading, exploring art, and studying culture directly fuels creativity. Discussion of mindset: success is not only inspiration but showing up consistently, even when ideas feel empty. Behind-the-scenes songwriting moment where Phoebe and John co-create an improvised chorus, demonstrating collaborative creativity in action.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Songwriting is both a craft and a calling. By combining discipline, creative curiosity, and faith, artists can show up fully—even when inspiration feels scarce—and trust the process to bring songs to life. Collaboration, input from mentors and peers, and a mindset grounded in purpose transform ordinary songwriting sessions into opportunities for growth and meaningful storytelling. Whether you're a beginner or seasoned songwriter, the key is to consistently engage, consume art, and allow God to guide the process, knowing that every step contributes to the song He's already envisioned.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   Follow along with what Phoebe Scott is doing! https://www.instagram.com/phoebeisloud/   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Growing HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John shares a powerful and honest message about the importance of mentoring and coaching in the journey of becoming a great Christian songwriter and artist. Drawing from over four decades in the music industry, John reflects on his own apprenticeship under legendary mentors and how that experience shaped his career. He challenges common misconceptions around calling, talent, and success—reminding songwriters that passion alone isn't enough. Growth requires intentional investment, humility, and a willingness to learn from those further along in the journey. John also speaks candidly about the realities of the music industry, the value of paying for professional services, and the responsibility artists have to steward their calling with excellence. This episode is both a wake-up call and an invitation—to stop waiting, start growing, and pursue songwriting with discipline, mentorship, and purpose.   EPISODE TOPICS Why mentoring and coaching are essential for songwriting growth The difference between being "called" and being "ready" How John's early apprenticeship shaped his entire career Why talent and passion alone won't make you a great songwriter The importance of investing time, effort, and money into your craft Common mindset traps that hold Christian songwriters back How to evaluate your songs beyond personal or cultural bias Why surrounding yourself with excellence accelerates growth   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Mentorship is a biblical and practical pathway to growth Great songwriting is developed, not assumed You are responsible for developing and presenting your calling Feedback, challenge, and accountability are necessary to improve The question isn't "Am I good enough?"—it's "Am I committed enough to grow?" Excellence in songwriting requires both inspiration and discipline   FINAL TAKEAWAY Christian songwriting is both a calling and a craft. Passion opens the door, but growth comes from humility, mentorship, and intentional effort. Surround yourself with those who challenge and inspire you, invest in your development, and commit to excellence in every song you write. The journey isn't about proving your talent—it's about stewarding your gift with purpose, discipline, and faithfulness. Start today, seek guidance, and let every step forward bring you closer to the songwriter God has called you to be.   Take your next step by downloading the free NCS Complete Songwriting Guide and exploring the coaching and community opportunities available at Nashville Christian Songwriters. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Song Revolution so you never miss an episode.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: CLARK BECKHAM: Are You Settling For Average? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with returning guest, artist, and songwriter Clark Beckham for a powerful conversation on artistry, worship, and the pursuit of excellence in songwriting. From his journey as a finalist on American Idol to becoming an NCS Records artist, Clark shares how his passion for soul, jazz, and expressive musicianship has shaped his unique approach to worship music. The conversation explores the heart behind his Acoustic Worship Sessions project, where familiar worship songs are reimagined through rich chord progressions and deeply personal expression. Beyond the music, this episode dives into the discipline required to grow as a songwriter and artist. Clark and John unpack the importance of skill development, teachability, and resisting the temptation to settle for mediocrity. This is a compelling and honest look at what it really takes to steward your calling and create music that reflects both excellence and authenticity.   EPISODE TOPICS Clark Beckham's journey from American Idol to NCS Records The vision behind the acoustic Worship Sessions project Reimagining worship songs through soul, jazz, and expressive chords The role of musical skill in honoring God through creativity Why growth requires discipline, not just desire Learning from mentors and collapsing the learning curve The difference between hobbyists and committed songwriters Overcoming creative passivity and taking action Worship as both spiritual expression and musical craftsmanship The balance between congregational accessibility and artistic depth   KEY HIGHLIGHTS A Unique Approach to Worship Clark shares how his love for soul and jazz naturally flows into his worship leading. Rather than trying to be different, his style is simply the authentic expression of his musical journey and relationship with God. The Heart Behind Acoustic Worship Sessions What started organically has become a powerful project—taking well-known worship songs and presenting them in a fresh, intimate, and musically rich way that highlights both skill and sincerity. God Created Every Chord Clark challenges the idea that only simple or familiar musical structures are "spiritual." From major chords to complex jazz voicings, all musical beauty ultimately points back to the Creator. Excellence Is an Offering Both John and Clark emphasize that pursuing excellence is not about performance or pride—it's about offering God your very best. Growth requires intentional effort, learning, and a willingness to refine your craft. Stop Talking, Start Growing A key theme throughout the episode is the difference between wanting to improve and actually doing the work. Real growth comes from discipline, learning from others, and consistently putting in the reps. Learn from Those Who've Gone Before You Whether through courses, books, or mentorship, learning from experienced voices can dramatically accelerate growth and help avoid unnecessary mistakes. Calling Requires Development Being called does not mean being instantly skilled. Often, the calling itself is an invitation into a process of growth, refinement, and deeper dependence on God.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Your calling is not just about what you create—it's about who you become in the process. Great songwriting and worship don't come from shortcuts or surface-level effort. They are formed through discipline, humility, and a deep desire to grow. When you commit to developing your craft and offering your best to God, your music becomes more than sound—it becomes a true expression of worship that can impact others in a lasting way.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   Follow what Clark Beckham is up to! https://clarkbeckham.com/   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Don't Be A Lazy Songwriter   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum dives into one of the most essential—and often overlooked—skills in songwriting: finding truly great ideas. Against the backdrop of today's rapidly evolving AI landscape, John challenges songwriters to resist shortcuts and instead pursue authenticity, depth, and spiritual connection in their creative process. He explores the tension between "high tech" and "high touch," emphasizing that while technology continues to advance, the need for real human expression has never been greater. Through personal stories, practical teaching, and decades of experience, John breaks down how to discover "killer hooks" rooted in genuine faith, lived experience, and a vibrant relationship with God. This episode is both a creative roadmap and a spiritual call to write songs that are not only well-crafted—but lasting.   EPISODE TOPICS The importance of great ideas in songwriting "High tech vs. high touch" in a digital and AI-driven world Why authentic testimony matters more than generated content The role of the Holy Spirit in inspiration How environment and influences shape your creativity Developing originality in song concepts The power of language, rhyme, and lyrical tools Learning from books, advertising, and other songs Avoiding lazy songwriting habits Writing songs that stand the test of time   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Great Songs Start with Great Ideas John emphasizes that every impactful song begins with a compelling, clear, and focused idea. Without a strong foundation, even the best production cannot carry a song. High Tech vs. High Touch As technology continues to expand, the value of human connection and authentic expression increases. Songwriting is not just about output—it is about the Spirit of God moving through a real person's life and testimony. Don't Outsource Your Voice While AI can generate content, it cannot replace the personal, spiritual, and emotional depth that comes from your own story. Your testimony is your greatest creative asset. The Power of a "Killer Hook" Timeless songs are built on simple, powerful ideas that connect instantly. A great title or hook should stand on its own—clear, compelling, and memorable without explanation. Go Inward First Some of the best ideas come from quiet moments of reflection and connection with God. Asking the Holy Spirit what He is doing in your life can unlock deeply meaningful song concepts. Feed Your Creativity Great writers are filled with great words. Reading, listening, and surrounding yourself with inspiring content strengthens your ability to write with depth and originality. Learn the Craft Understanding tools like rhyme, alliteration, and lyrical structure is essential. Songwriting is both spiritual and skill-based—it requires growth, study, and intentional development. Don't Be a Lazy Songwriter Waiting passively for inspiration or relying on shortcuts leads to shallow results. Proactive, disciplined writers create more compelling and lasting songs.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Great songwriting is not accidental—it is intentional, spiritual, and deeply personal. In a world increasingly driven by technology, your greatest advantage is your humanity and your relationship with God. The songs that last are not generated—they are cultivated through time, discipline, and authentic connection with the Holy Spirit. If you want to write songs that matter, start by listening inward, stewarding your voice, and committing to the process. Your testimony, your words, and your calling are worth the work.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: GINNY OWENS: Different Kind Of Water   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with award-winning artist, songwriter, theologian, and worship leader Ginny Owens. From her early discovery by Michael W. Smith and her years in the CCM spotlight to seasons of burnout, spiritual wrestling, and renewed calling, Ginny shares a candid look at the highs and hardships of life in Christian music. Now serving at Redeemer Church in Manhattan and holding a Master of Divinity degree, Ginny reflects on what it means to go deeper in faith, to wrestle honestly with God, and to create music that fosters real spiritual conversations. She also introduces her new EP, Different Kind of Water, and shares about launching The Asaph Project, a new nonprofit focused on equipping worship leaders and writing songs for the local church. This is a rich conversation about faithfulness over fame, depth over dopamine, and blooming faithfully where God has planted you.   EPISODE TOPICS Being discovered by Michael W. Smith and signing with Rocketown Records The realities behind the CCM touring life Burnout, doubt, and rediscovering spiritual depth Moving to New York City and earning an M.Div. Studying under Tim Keller at Redeemer The importance of church accountability for artists Writing songs that spark spiritual conversations The heart behind the EP Different Kind of Water Launching The Asaph Project to serve the congregational church Blooming where you're planted as a songwriter   KEY HIGHLIGHTS From Belmont to Rocketown Ginny shares the story of how a simple church offertory led to recording demos, connecting with publisher Michael Puryear, and eventually signing with Michael W. Smith's Rocketown Records. Community and faithful connectors played a pivotal role in her journey. The Hidden Cost of the Dream While touring and recording brought exciting opportunities, Ginny candidly discusses the spiritual and relational toll of life on the road. Without consistent church accountability and rooted community, burnout followed. Her reflection offers valuable wisdom for aspiring artists. Going Deeper After Doubt Following a difficult season of burnout and spiritual questioning, Ginny sensed the Lord leading her into deeper theological study. Her move to New York to attend seminary at Redeemer under Tim Keller became a transformative chapter of growth and renewal. Writing for Spiritual Conversations Her new EP, Different Kind of Water, reflects conversations she longs to have with friends who don't yet believe. Each song addresses universal longings—satisfaction, forgiveness, purpose—and gently points toward Christ as the ultimate answer. The Asaph Project Ginny shares her vision for The Asaph Project, a nonprofit aimed at equipping worship leaders in theology, songcraft, and congregational leadership while also creating new music specifically for the local church. Bloom Where You're Planted Her encouragement to songwriters: bring every dream and idea to the Lord, stay rooted in Scripture, and faithfully serve where you are now rather than chasing the door that hasn't opened yet.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Success in Christian music is not sustained by momentum, platform, or applause—it is sustained by presence with Jesus and rootedness in community. Ginny's journey reminds us that calling is deeper than career. Whether you're touring the world or serving your local church, faithfulness begins with abiding in Christ and blooming right where He has planted you.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   Follow along with Ginny Owens https://www.ginnyowens.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide    Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: DANIEL DOSS: Revival and Songwriting     HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with songwriter and artist Daniel Doss for an honest conversation about calling, perseverance, and the refining process of songwriting. Daniel shares his journey into music, the challenges of building a career while staying grounded in faith, and the lessons he has learned about consistency, character, and craft. Throughout the conversation, Daniel opens up about navigating setbacks, staying creative during uncertain seasons, and learning how to write songs that are both personal and universally resonant. This episode highlights the importance of patience, humility, and long-term faithfulness in a songwriting journey that is often marked by unseen growth before visible opportunity.   EPISODE TOPICS Daniel's early path into songwriting and artistry The tension between ambition and surrender Developing craft through repetition and discipline Staying rooted in faith while pursuing opportunity The importance of community in a creative career Writing songs that are authentic rather than strategic Growth that happens behind the scenes   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Daniel reflects on how early challenges shaped both his faith and his songwriting voice. A candid discussion about rejection and how it refines both character and craft. Insight into why consistency matters more than momentary momentum. Encouragement to write songs that come from lived experience rather than trends. A reminder that longevity in music requires humility, patience, and a willingness to keep learning. Practical wisdom on staying encouraged during seasons when progress feels slow.   FINAL TAKEAWAY A sustainable songwriting career is not built overnight. Daniel Doss's story reminds us that true growth often happens in hidden seasons where discipline, faith, and character are formed. When songwriters commit to the long process—refining their craft, guarding their hearts, and trusting God with the timeline—their songs carry depth that cannot be manufactured.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   Check out Daniel Doss https://www.danieldossmusic.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide    Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: SHAYLEE SIMEONE: Honest Jesus Music   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes singer, songwriter, and storyteller Shaylee Simeone for an honest and heartfelt conversation about identity, calling, and the long road of obedience in a creative life. Shaylee shares her journey from early musical influences and family harmony to stepping out on her own as an artist and songwriter. The conversation explores the tension between ambition and surrender, the process of refining your voice over time, and the importance of writing songs that reflect real life rather than performance. Shaylee opens up about seasons of waiting, redefining success, and learning to trust God with both the platform and the process. This episode is a powerful reminder that longevity in songwriting is built on faithfulness, authenticity, and the courage to tell the truth.   EPISODE TOPICS Growing up in a musical family and early creative development Discovering personal identity apart from performance The tension between ambition and obedience Navigating seasons of waiting and transition Moving to Nashville and stepping into the songwriting community Writing from real life rather than image Redefining success as faithfulness The importance of vulnerability in songwriting Trusting God with timing, platform, and opportunity   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Shaylee reflects on how her early experiences in music shaped both her confidence and her insecurities. A thoughtful discussion on separating identity from achievement. Insight into the discipline of continuing to write even when outcomes feel uncertain. Honest moments about comparison and the pressure to measure up. Encouragement to write songs that are rooted in lived experience rather than trend. A clear reminder that calling is often confirmed through quiet obedience rather than immediate visibility.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Sustainable songwriting is not built on hype or momentum—it is built on faithfulness. Shaylee Simeone's story reminds us that when we anchor our identity in who we are rather than what we achieve, we gain the freedom to create from a place of honesty and peace. The songs that endure are the ones shaped by patience, trust, and a willingness to let God define the outcome.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   Check out Shaylee Simeone https://www.shayleesimeone.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide    Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: AMANDA JANSON: Sinner To Saint   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this powerful episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with worship artist and songwriter Amanda Janson for an honest and deeply vulnerable conversation about faith, calling, trauma, and songwriting as testimony. Amanda shares her journey from a Broadway-bound upbringing and a complicated spiritual background to encountering Christ in adulthood and eventually stepping into a life of worship and songwriting. The conversation traces Amanda's move to Nashville, her growth as a co-writer, and the intense personal battles that shaped her latest album, Sinner To Saint. With courage and clarity, Amanda opens up about depression, shame, suicidal thoughts, and the turning points that led her to deeper surrender and healing. This episode is a profound reminder that songwriting can become a sacred place where pain, honesty, and faith meet—and where God brings redemption.   EPISODE TOPICS Growing up with mixed religious backgrounds and no church foundation Encountering Christ later in life and the early days of faith Walking away from a Broadway career and discovering new purpose Moving to Nashville by faith and trusting God's timing Learning to co-write and build genuine community in songwriting rooms Navigating ambition, industry pressure, and comparison Trauma, depression, and confronting shame as a believer Suicidal thoughts and the journey toward healing and surrender Writing songs rooted in testimony and vulnerability The heart and message behind the album Sinner To Saint Songwriting as a tool for honesty, healing, and worship   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Amanda shares her unexpected salvation story and the early curiosity that led her to faith. A candid discussion about chasing success versus pursuing God's presence. Insight into the emotional toll of industry pressure and unmet expectations. Amanda's description of a profound moment of surrender that marked a turning point in her life and faith. The story behind the song "Where the Warfare Ends" and how it was born from a moment of deep despair and divine truth. Reflections on the freedom that comes from releasing shame and embracing identity as a child of God. Encouragement for artists to tell the truth in their songs and create space for others to heal through honesty.   FINAL TAKEAWAY True songwriting begins when we stop hiding. Amanda Janson's story reminds us that faith does not remove struggle, but it does invite healing, redemption, and hope into our darkest moments. When songwriters choose honesty over image and surrender over striving, their songs become more than music—they become ministry. God meets us in our broken places, and when we write from there, our stories can help others find light in their own darkness.   Resources & Links:   Check out Amanda Janson https://www.amandajansonmusic.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Can AI Write Christian Music? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum tackles one of the most pressing issues facing today's music creators: artificial intelligence in songwriting. Fresh off multiple interviews at the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) convention, where AI was the dominant topic of conversation, John unpacks the realities, risks, and responsibilities surrounding AI-generated music. From deep fakes and copyright confusion to spiritual discernment and creative integrity, this episode dives deep into what AI means for Christian songwriters. John makes a clear and passionate case: AI may be a powerful tool, but it can never replace the calling, humanity, and spiritual formation of a real songwriter. This conversation challenges creators not to take the easy way out, but to steward their gifts faithfully in a rapidly shifting technological landscape.   EPISODE TOPICS The rise of AI-generated music Experiences at NRB and industry-wide AI discussions Rights, revenue, and reputation concerns in publishing AI "scraping" artist catalogs and copyright implications Spotify removing millions of AI-generated tracks Deep fakes and reputational harm Theological and spiritual questions about AI worship songs When AI can be a helpful tool versus a creative shortcut Why real songwriters still matter Growing as a communicator instead of outsourcing creativity   KEY HIGHLIGHTS AI Is Here to Stay John acknowledges that AI technology will only improve. Like the digital shift of the late 20th century, we are in a major cultural and creative transition. The key question is not whether AI exists—but how we respond to it. Rights, Revenue, and Reputation AI-generated songs often "scrape" existing catalogs to mimic an artist's style, raising serious concerns about intellectual property and theft. Who owns these songs? Who gets paid? And what happens when an artist's name or likeness is misused through deep fakes? Humanity Cannot Be Scraped While AI can generate polished production and flawless vocals, John argues that it lacks pathos, testimony, and authentic spiritual experience. A great song carries one clear idea rooted in real human emotion. Production may impress, but stripped down to piano or guitar, the song must stand on its own. Prompt Writing vs. Songwriting If a creator inputs only a prompt and receives a finished song, John draws a firm line: that is not songwriting. True songwriting involves crafting lyrics, shaping melody, wrestling with structure, and allowing personal testimony to flow into the work. Appropriate Use of AI John is not anti-technology. Using AI to generate a demo of a fully written lyric and melody can be a legitimate tool. The issue is not assistance—it is substitution. Spiritual Discernment in the AI Era Can God use AI-generated lyrics if they contain truth? Possibly. Truth is truth. But Christian communicators are called to more than efficiency—they are called to communion with God. Songwriting is not just output; it is formation. Don't Shortchange the Process The labor of crafting lyrics and melodies over time shapes the songwriter. Taking creative shortcuts may produce sound, but it does not produce growth.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Technology may accelerate production, but it cannot replace calling. AI can be a tool—but it must never become a substitute for the Spirit-led, deeply human process of writing songs. God called you to be a songwriter not simply to produce music, but to spend time with Him, to grow, and to communicate truth from your own heart. Do not shortchange yourself. Do not surrender your voice. Steward your gift, embrace the discipline, and create as a real human being empowered by the Spirit of God.   RESOURCES & LINKS: Link to the John Piper ChatGPT clip John mentioned in the episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIMZH7DEPPQ   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JACKSON DREYER: Letting Life Shape The Song   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with singer-songwriter Jackson Dreyer for an honest and wide-ranging conversation about creativity, discipline, and finding your voice as a songwriter. From growing up outside Chicago to planting roots in East Nashville, Jackson shares how movement, architecture, relationships, and everyday life experiences shape his songwriting process. The conversation explores how stepping away from constant noise creates space for emotional clarity, lyrical depth, and authentic expression. This episode is a thoughtful look at how songwriters can stay inspired, grounded, and creatively alive while navigating both personal growth and artistic ambition.   EPISODE TOPICS The connection between physical movement and creative clarity How running and solitude spark songwriting ideas Growing up near Chicago and the influence of architecture and place Finding inspiration in cities, communities, and everyday surroundings Living and writing in East Nashville as a songwriter Turning real emotions into honest lyrics Avoiding creative overload and reclaiming mental space Letting life experiences shape better songs   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Jackson shares how running helps him reconnect with his thoughts and emotions, often leading to new song ideas. A discussion on how silence and mental margin are essential for meaningful songwriting. Reflections on how cities like Chicago and Nashville influence creativity, identity, and artistic perspective. Insight into how architecture and visual beauty can fuel musical inspiration. Honest thoughts on balancing productivity with presence as a modern songwriter. Encouragement to embrace real life—relationships, movement, environment—as songwriting fuel.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Great songs don't come from constant noise—they come from paying attention. By creating space to think, feel, and live fully, songwriters can tap into deeper honesty and write from a more authentic place. Creativity thrives when we slow down, observe our surroundings, and allow life itself to shape the songs we write.   Resources & Links:   Check out Jackson Dreyer https://www.jacksondreyer.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: LAURA OSNES: Faith, Art, and Starting Over   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY: In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes Broadway star, film actress, and singer-songwriter Laura Osnes for a deeply personal conversation about calling, identity, and creativity. Laura shares her journey from early musical theater roots to starring on Broadway, navigating career success, public controversy, and a major life pivot that led her to Nashville. The conversation explores how a season of loss and uncertainty opened the door to songwriting, personal expression, and new purpose beyond the stage. Laura also introduces her latest venture, Stagecraft, an online training platform designed to equip and mentor the next generation of stage performers with both excellence and integrity.   EPISODE TOPICS: Laura Osnes' early beginnings and Broadway career Winning a Broadway role through reality television Identity and faith in high-pressure creative environments Navigating career disruption and public controversy Moving from performance to songwriting as personal expression Finding your voice outside of roles and expectations Comparison, authenticity, and creative confidence Differences between stage performance and film acting Launching Stagecraft to mentor young performers Encouragement for artists walking unconventional paths   KEY HIGHLIGHTS: Laura's reflection on discovering her identity beyond performance and public success. Insight into how songwriting became a new creative outlet after a season of loss and silence. A powerful discussion on authenticity and resisting comparison in artistic careers. Lessons learned from navigating rejection, cancellation, and rebuilding with integrity. Practical wisdom on preparation, patience, and being ready when opportunity appears. The heart behind Stagecraft and its mission to equip young artists with skill and character.   FINAL TAKEAWAY: Creative calling is not limited to a single platform or season. This episode reminds songwriters and artists that identity must be rooted deeper than success, roles, or recognition. When doors close, new expressions of purpose can emerge. By staying faithful, authentic, and open to unexpected paths, artists can discover new ways to share their voice and make meaningful impact.   Resources & Links:   Check out Laura Osnes https://lauraosnes.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: MICAH CHRISTOPHER: Writing From Where You Are   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY: In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with artist and songwriter Micah Christopher to explore the journey from local church leadership to signing with Integrity Music. Micah shares his story of faith, obedience, and gradual growth, emphasizing how songwriting developed alongside spiritual maturity rather than overnight success. The conversation highlights the tension between calling and platform, the importance of community, and the often unseen seasons that prepare songwriters for wider opportunities. Together, John and Micah unpack what it really means to pursue songwriting with humility, patience, and purpose in a rapidly changing music landscape.   EPISODE TOPICS: Micah Christopher's faith and songwriting journey Transitioning from local worship leader to recording artist Signing with Integrity Music Writing songs for the church versus writing for personal expression The role of obedience and faithfulness in creative growth Balancing ambition, calling, and character Community, mentorship, and long-term development Navigating expectations in the modern Christian music industry   KEY HIGHLIGHTS: Micah's honest reflection on slow, steady growth rather than sudden success. Insight into how songwriting evolved naturally out of worship leadership and spiritual formation. A discussion on the dangers of chasing platform before being rooted in purpose. Encouragement for songwriters who feel overlooked or stuck in hidden seasons. Practical wisdom on staying grounded while stepping into new opportunities. A reminder that label deals and recognition are outcomes, not destinations.   FINAL TAKEAWAY: Faithful songwriting is built over time through obedience, humility, and community. Rather than striving for quick success, this episode challenges songwriters to trust the process, steward their current season well, and allow their craft and character to grow together. When the foundation is solid, the opportunities that come will have lasting impact.   Resources & Links:   Check out Micah Christopher https://www.micahchristopher.com/  https://www.instagram.com/micahchristopher_/?hl=en    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Writing   HOSTS: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   EPISODE SUMMARY In this opening episode of Season Four of Song Revolution, John and co-host Bryant Urich reflect on the highlights of the past year while casting vision for 2026. They discuss the growth of the NCS community, the return of in-person songwriting retreats, the launch of NCS Records, and meaningful conversations from recent podcast guests. The episode then shifts into a practical and encouraging discussion about one of the biggest challenges songwriters face: making the most of their time. Through honest conversation and real-life examples, John and Bryant challenge listeners to move past discouragement, establish sustainable writing rhythms, and take intentional action toward their calling as songwriters.   EPISODE TOPICS Highlights from 2025 and vision for 2026 Growth of the NCS community and songwriting retreats Launch and expansion of NCS Records Lessons learned from recent podcast guests Overcoming discouragement and writer's block Time management and creative rhythms for songwriters Discipline versus legalism in the creative process The importance of consistency, accountability, and action   KEY HIGHLIGHTS A reflection on how in-person writing retreats and community connection reignited creativity and collaboration. Insight into why many songwriters struggle to write consistently and how exhaustion, discouragement, and unrealistic expectations play a role. A practical reminder that inspiration often follows action, not the other way around. A discussion on identifying personal energy rhythms and choosing realistic writing times that fit current seasons of life. Encouragement to view songwriting as a calling worth intentional investment rather than waiting to feel "good enough." A reframing of the common question from "Am I good enough?" to "Am I called enough to show up and do the work?"   FINAL TAKEAWAY Songwriting growth doesn't come from waiting for the perfect moment or the perfect idea. It comes from showing up consistently, feeding your creativity, and taking small but intentional steps forward. If you feel called to write songs, the next step is action. Treat your craft with purpose, surround yourself with community, and commit to using your time wisely so the songs inside you don't stay unwritten.     Resources & Links:   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide        Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum   Guest: Dan Dean   Episode Title: DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean   Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this powerful and heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Dan Dean—one-third of the legendary trio Phillips, Craig & Dean—to explore a decades-long career marked by timeless songs, deep-rooted ministry, and a newly released solo album, More. From early cassette recordings to leading worship across the globe, Dan opens up about perseverance, songwriting, the power of legacy, and why he's more inspired than ever to keep creating.   What You'll Hear: Dan's early journey from solo artist to founding member of Phillips, Craig & Dean Behind-the-scenes stories from their 30+ year career and 14 studio albums How one heartfelt war-time promise shaped generations of ministry The spiritual and emotional layers behind Dan's new solo album, More A father-son duet and the family legacy of faith through music Why beloved songs like "Crucified with Christ" and "Revelation Song" still resonate Words of encouragement for aspiring songwriters and worship leaders   Featured Songs from More: "More" – A song of hope written during the isolation of COVID "Home" – A heartfelt duet with Dan's son, Devin Dean "Mother of Boys" – Inspired by a poem written by Dan's mom "Never Gets Old" – A touching reflection on the unchanging power of Scripture Notable Quotes: "God always has more of what you need." "You want to hear the songs that brought some kind of emotional or spiritual impact in your life." "The power of one man's decision can impact generations." "It wasn't always easy, but we were faithful to the call."     Resources & Links:   Connect with Dan Dean: https://www.dandeanofficial.com/   Follow Dan on Instagram: @danpcd   NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling   Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a respected artist and filmmaker, Andrew shares how music has always been more than sound—it has been a divine meeting point and a lifelong connection to God.   Andrew opens up about discovering music as collaboration with the Creator, the spiritual weight of art, and how songwriters and storytellers carry the yearning for belonging and acceptance. He and John dive into the mystery of creativity, the intersection of sacred and "secular" art, and the role of music in healing, connection, and co-creation with God. This first part of the interview also explores Andrew's reflections on growing up with thoughtful parents, his deep love for liner notes, the importance of songwriting beyond categories, and the spiritual resonance of great artists from Joni Mitchell to Roberta Flack.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Andrew's early encounter with music and its connection to faith How music serves as collaboration with our Creator The difference between original sin and original virtue in shaping our lives Why songwriting is about more than "Christian" or "secular" categories How great art and music point us toward belonging and acceptance Andrew's insights on the indie music landscape and why it's a great time for creators   Key Topics & Highlights: The spiritual role of music as connection and belonging How Andrew discovered a calling for songwriting and storytelling at an early age The influence of his parents and church community on shaping his worldview Why labeling art as sacred vs. secular often misses the deeper point Stories from Andrew's journey at Belmont University and launching into music Insights on how artists like Joni Mitchell, Roberta Flack, and others shaped his perspective Why vulnerability and honesty in songwriting resonate more deeply than formulas   Final Takeaway: At its heart, music is not about categories or success—it is about connection. Whether writing songs, producing stories, or simply listening, music offers us a chance to collaborate with God and remind one another that we belong.     Resources & Links:   Explore Andrew Greer's work:  https://www.andrew-greer.com/    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert   Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this deeply moving episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes recording artist and worship leader Sarah Kroger for an honest conversation about faith, identity, songwriting, and spiritual wilderness. With a contemplative heart and a background shaped by Catholic tradition, Sarah shares how her latest album A New Reality was birthed in a season of silence and questioning.   Together, John and Sarah explore what it means to embrace mystery in the Christian life, the importance of living in the present moment, and how belovedness can become an anchor in seasons of darkness. They also discuss the role of co-writing in Sarah's journey, her musical influences, and the inspiration behind standout tracks like "Galaxies," "Ghost," and the beloved fan-favorite "Belovedness."   Whether you're navigating your own spiritual desert or longing to write from a deeper place, this episode offers a rich well of encouragement, authenticity, and insight.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How Sarah Kroger discovered her identity as a songwriter through co-writing Why gratitude and presence are key to thriving as an artist The inspiration and impact of her song "Belovedness" How contemplative authors like Henri Nouwen shaped her spiritual growth Why living in mystery may be the most authentic form of faith Real talk on spiritual silence, deconstruction, and creative perseverance   Key Moments: [01:09] – John welcomes listeners and introduces Sarah Kroger [03:34] – Sarah on gratitude, presence, and the joy of doing what she loves [05:56] – The early passion for music and discovering co-writing [10:24] – Influences from Nouwen, Merton, and Catholic mysticism [13:06] – John and Sarah discuss spiritual darkness and the mystery of God [17:03] – "I am with you always" as a theme through the desert [23:39] – Letting go of old faith feelings and embracing radical immediacy [29:01] – Practicing presence and the discipline of stillness [31:14] – The story behind "Belovedness" and Sarah's devotional book [36:39] – Exploring "Galaxies" and the divine image within us [38:40] – Writing "Ghost" and choosing sacred, traditional language [40:17] – John reflects on Sarah's album and the beauty of authenticity   Resources & Links: Order Sarah Kroger's devotional Belovedness: Overcoming Your Inner Critic https://sarahkroger.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community  

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: Micro Moments of Flow State   Hosts: John Chisum   Guest: Clark Beckham - American Idol Season 14 Runner-Up, Soul/R&B Artist, Educator, Host of Idol Breakdown   Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy!   In this powerful episode, John sits down with acclaimed vocalist and musician Clark Beckham to unpack his journey from street performer to American Idol fame. Clark opens up about the highs and lows of the entertainment industry, how his faith shapes his artistry, and why he believes Jesus loves the complexity found in music—yes, even a flat five.   You'll also hear about Clark's passion for music education, the emotional weight of critiquing performers on his Idol Breakdown series, and why it's perfectly normal to not feel obsessed with your art every single day.   Key Takeaways: Clark's honest experience as runner-up on American Idol Why he sees music as a competition with yourself The story behind "Jesus Loves the Flat Five" How faith, love, and genuine care translate in the entertainment world The difference between worship as a genre vs. worship as a personal practice Why it's okay not to feel creative every day—and why you should keep going anyway The purpose behind Idol Breakdown and how he handles criticism responsibly Demystifying music theory through Clark's online courses   Quotable Moments:  "Excuses are just permission slips for mediocrity." "God is the author of art. And when we express emotions through it, He's in it." "You don't follow your passion. You work really hard to get good, and passion follows." "Jesus loves complexity. He loves art. He loves the flat five."   RESOURCES & LINKS ClarkBeckham.com   Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum EPISODE TITLE: NIKI LOU SAVICH: Songs Born From Poetry EPISODE SUMMARY: In this heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with longtime friend, songwriter, and Americana/folk artist Niki Lou Savich to reflect on her remarkable creative and spiritual journey. Once an international model, poet, caregiver, and therapist, Niki shares how songwriting unexpectedly emerged from her poetry during a deeply emotional season of life. She tells the story of discovering Nashville Christian Songwriters, attending her first retreat, and slowly growing from a poet with notebooks full of lyrics into a recording artist with two full-length albums. Together, John and Niki explore grief, faith, courage, artistry, and the patient, step-by-step process of becoming an artist later in life. This episode is a powerful reminder that God often brings songs from places we never planned—and that it's never too late to say yes to the call. EPISODE TOPICS: • Niki's transition from poetry to songwriting• Discovering songwriting through an unexpected creative moment• Attending her first NCS retreat and falling in love with the craft• Learning melody, structure, and song form without a musical background• Writing songs born from grief, loss, and lament• The death of Niki's parents and how sorrow shaped her songwriting voice• Developing confidence as a vocalist and recording artist• Overcoming fear and self-doubt in the studio• The difference between writing for a notebook and releasing songs into the world• Artist development, mentorship, and long-term growth• Finding purpose and obedience beyond age, background, or expectations KEY HIGHLIGHTS: • A song that changed everything: Niki describes the moment a poem unexpectedly came out in full song form—melody, structure, and all—launching her songwriting journey. • From Starbucks parking lots to finished albums:Early coaching sessions took place over Zoom while Niki sat bundled in her car outside Starbucks, learning song structure line by line. • Grief as sacred ground:Following the loss of both parents, Niki's songwriting deepened into raw, biblical lament, producing songs like "Million Tears," "Dry as Bone," and "Valley of Shadow and Light." • Becoming an artist later in life: Niki shares the mental and emotional shift required to believe she could sing her own songs and step into the role of an artist. • Studio courage:Recording her first album was terrifying, but with patient coaching, encouragement, and faith, Niki found her voice and confidence. • Two albums born from obedience:Niki released Million Tears followed by My Offering, both rooted in honesty, humility, and deep spiritual reflection. • A quiet but fierce strength:John reflects on Niki's combination of humility, tenacity, and dependence on God as key ingredients in her artistic growth. FINAL TAKEAWAY: Niki Lou Savich's story is a testament to the beauty that can rise from brokenness. Her journey reminds us that songwriting is not about age, background, or platform—it's about obedience, honesty, and trusting God with the songs He places in our hearts. When we surrender our pain, our fear, and our timing, God can transform even grief into a lasting offering of hope. Connect with Niki Lou Savich: https://nikilousavich.com/ Learn more:Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community. Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025 NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/  

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Guest: Michael Lee Brown   Episode Title: MICHAEL LEE BROWN: From Broadway to Songwriting   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes singer, songwriter, and Broadway actor Michael Lee Brown, best known for his four-year run in Dear Evan Hansen on Broadway. Michael shares his unexpected journey into the NCS studio, his early beginnings in music, his transition from musical theater to singer-songwriter artistry, and the faith-filled moments that shaped his path. He opens up about the disciplines of acting, the joy and challenge of writing authentically, and why storytelling matters now more than ever. This episode offers inspiration for any creative searching for clarity, direction, and renewed passion in their craft.   Episode Topics: • Michael's early exposure to music and his family's creative influence • The road to Dear Evan Hansen and the meaningful moments that confirmed his path • What it took to perform as Evan, Connor, and Jared • Lessons learned from repetition, preparation, and total immersion in a show • How audience feedback shaped his understanding of the show's impact • Life after Broadway and navigating the post-pandemic creative landscape • Michael's songwriting process for pop and musical theatre • Writing from personal truth versus writing from a character's perspective • John's coaching advice on emotional authenticity in songwriting • The heartfelt inspiration behind Michael's song "Bob's Town" • New music, teaching, and what Michael hopes for in the next season of his career   Key Highlights: • A meaningful Broadway breakthrough: Michael reflects on years of walking past the Music Box Theatre, imagining himself on that stage, long before Dear Evan Hansen moved there. He later discovered a ring used in his first rehearsal was engraved with the Lord's Prayer—one of several moments that affirmed his steps. • Becoming the only actor to play all three major male roles: Michael shares the strategy, training, mental discipline, and repetition required to perform Evan, Connor, and Jared at different times throughout the show's run. • The emotional weight and reward of the work: Letters, conversations with fans, and powerful audience reactions reinforced the deep impact Dear Evan Hansen had on people of all ages. • Songwriting as a window into the soul: Michael describes his usual melody-first writing approach, how musical theatre requires a different process, and the tension between writing catchy songs versus revealing more vulnerable personal truth. • The power of story in "Bob's Town": Michael explains the inspiration behind the song, which honors a man named Bob and the small town that lovingly supported him. The story underscores the beauty of simple kindness and everyday humanity. Looking ahead: Michael is actively auditioning, writing new music, teaching voice and acting, and preparing to release more songs in the coming year.  Resources & Links: Connect with Michael Lee Brown: https://www.michaelleebrown.com/ Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: STOWTOWN WORSHIP: Unity, Legacy, and Worship Episode Summary: In this episode, John welcomes an extraordinary lineup of worship leaders and vocal powerhouses—Alvin Slaughter, Steven McWhirter, and TaRanda Greene—along with the vision behind StowTown Worship's new project, Live from the Iron Manor. What began as a desire to bless worship pastors at the Metro Conference grew into a powerful night of worship, featuring reimagined classics, newly arranged favorites, and cross-generational, cross-genre collaboration. The group discusses the heart behind the project, the importance of unity in the church, breaking down stylistic walls, and stewarding songs that serve real people in real church pews. They also introduce StowTown Resource, a new comprehensive tool designed to equip churches with high-quality arrangements, stems, charts, and orchestrations—including the entire Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir catalog. This episode is rich with testimony, humility, humor, and a deep passion for ministering to God's people through music. Episode Topics: The origins of the StowTown Worship project The spiritual and musical vision behind Live from the Iron Manor Cross-generational worship and breaking down stylistic divides Crafting fresh arrangements of classic worship songs How worship transcends genre, age, and background Memories and legacy moments from Brooklyn Tabernacle Personal ministry journeys, testimonies, and career highlights Capturing the presence of God through united worship The launch of StowTown Resource and what it offers churches Serving people beyond the stage with authenticity and compassion Key Highlights: TaRanda Greene explains how the project began as a simple desire to bless worship pastors and evolved into a full recording featuring a powerhouse lineup. Alvin Slaughter reflects on his 35 years of ministry, Brooklyn Tabernacle roots, and renewed inspiration for recording again. Steven McWhirter shares the real-life basement moment behind "Come Jesus Come" and the humility surrounding his recent Dove Award win. The team discusses why songs must serve the hearts of real congregations, not just the stage or the worship industry. Fresh arrangements of classics like "Holy, Holy, Holy," "Heart of Worship," and "For God So Loved" were intentionally shaped to break down denominational and stylistic walls. The room of worship pastors at the Metro Conference became an active choir—captured on the live recording. StowTown Resource officially launches, offering charts, stems, orchestrations, rehearsal tools, and the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir catalog all in one place. A strong emphasis emerges: unity, sincerity, and a kingdom mindset must drive modern worship ministry. Final Takeaway At its core, the StowTown Worship project reflects a simple truth: worship is about people encountering God—together. Whether through timeless hymns, brand-new songs, or powerful reimagined arrangements, what matters most is unity, authenticity, and a heart that serves the church. The night at the Iron Manor captured this beautifully, and the launch of StowTown Resource ensures that churches everywhere can carry that same spirit into their own worship ministries.   Resources & Links: Keep up with StowTown Worship! https://stowtownrecords.com/stowtown-worship   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community. Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025 Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: JOHN CHISUM: The Craft of Christmas Songwriting   Episode Summary: In this festive episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum and co-host Bryant Urich dive into the art and craft of writing Christmas songs. From exploring why holiday music resonates so deeply to analyzing the lyrical and musical trends behind the world's biggest Christmas hits, this conversation is packed with practical ideas, humor, and real-world insights for songwriters.   John and Bryant discuss everything from nostalgic memories and classic hymns to modern Christmas pop, offering guidance on how to approach seasonal songwriting with authenticity, originality, and skill. Whether you're crafting a worshipful Advent ballad or a fun, hooky holiday pop song, this episode equips you with tools to write songs that truly connect.   Key Topics & Highlights: Why Christmas songs matter and how nostalgia, memory, and emotion fuel their impact Lyrical themes of top Christmas songs based on research and data Musical traits that dominate Christmas hits including major keys, sleigh bells, and swing feels Using sensory details to make lyrics more vivid and relatable Finding original ideas by drawing from personal memories, traditions, and real experiences Analyzing classics and modern hits from Bing Crosby to Mariah Carey Using hymnals and older carols as starting points for new song ideas The importance of strong hooks and pre-writing in seasonal songwriting Why great Christmas songs evoke emotion first and facts second The role of chord extensions (like major 7ths) in creating a warm, wistful holiday sound Why many artists write Christmas music in the middle of the year and what that teaches about discipline Encouragement for writers who want to grow in skill, craft, and confidence   Final Thought Christmas songs endure because they make us feel something. Whether you're writing from nostalgia, faith, longing, or joy, the key is to create with intentionality and skill. When you pair heartfelt inspiration with craftsmanship, your holiday songs can stand out, connect deeply, and carry meaning far beyond the season.   Resources & Links:   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum Episode Title: JAMIE JAMGOCHIAN: Learning to Wait Well with God   Episode Summary: In this inspiring episode of the Song Revolution Podcast, host John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, worship leader, and author Jamie Jamgochian for a rich conversation about creativity, calling, spiritual formation, and her new book Sacred Surrender: The Practice of Waiting Well with God.   Jamie shares her personal journey from studying jazz at Berklee, to encountering Jesus at twenty-one, to navigating a decades-long career in Christian music as a Dove Award-nominated artist. She opens up about seasons of waiting, chronic illness, finding healing through quieter forms of worship, and discovering God's presence in silence and stillness. Together, John and Jamie explore the challenges of slowing down in a noisy culture, the practice of surrendering personal dreams, and the beauty of connecting with God through meditative music, spontaneous worship, and simple moments of presence. They also talk about mentoring younger artists, developing spiritual resilience, and writing from a place of honesty and trust.   What You'll Learn: The heart behind Jamie's new book Sacred Surrender How to wait on God with trust, peace, and purpose Why silence and stillness are essential for spiritual health How chronic illness reshaped Jamie's relationship with worship The difference between waiting on God and waiting with God How meditative music can bring healing, peace, and connection Why surrender is a daily practice, not a one-time moment The importance of community, mentorship, and staying grounded as an artist Practical advice for aspiring songwriters and worship leaders How to let God dream through you instead of forcing your own plans   Key Topics & Highlights: Jamie's early journey as a jazz-trained pianist and her conversion at twenty-one Life at Berklee, early performance career, and coming to faith Seasons of illness, including Lyme disease, and how quiet worship sustained her Creating piano meditations and spontaneous worship recordings The inspiration behind Sacred Surrender and the discipline of waiting well Learning to listen to God through silence, boredom, and stillness How surrender frees us from pressure, comparison, and unrealistic timelines Developing spiritual maturity and emotional health before chasing platform Jamie's heart for mentoring young female artists in Nashville Why honing your craft and creating your own opportunities matters Trusting God's timing over the industry's timeline   Final Thought: True transformation happens not in the spotlight but in the quiet spaces where surrender becomes a way of life. Jamie reminds us that walking with God means releasing our timelines, deepening our trust, and practicing presence daily. When we learn to wait well with God, we discover a richer, steadier, more grounded life—one where creativity flows from peace, not pressure.   Resources & Links: Keep up with all that Jamie is doing! https://www.jaimejam.com/   Check out Jamie's book, Sacred Surrender.  https://ffm.bio/sacredsurrender   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum Guest: Mary Lou Kayser Episode Title: The Power of Poetry   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes poet, author, and creative entrepreneur Mary Lou Kayser for a deeply moving and thought-provoking conversation on art, creativity, and what it means to live—and write—fully in a digital age. Mary Lou shares her journey as a teacher, writer, and poet, exploring how the rapid shift into the digital world impacts human connection and creativity. She opens up about loss, love, and the role poetry plays in healing and transformation, reading two poignant pieces from her poetry collections The Far Unlit Unknown and The River Only Runs One Way. Through her work and wisdom, Mary Lou challenges listeners to reconnect with their creative selves, embrace authenticity, and make peace with their past while courageously stepping into the unknown.   Key Topics & Highlights Life in Transition: How Mary Lou moved from teaching literature to fully embracing life as a writer and creative entrepreneur. The Digital Dilemma: Understanding how the algorithm era impacts art, purpose, and human connection. The Power of Poetry: Why poetry still matters—and how it can heal, illuminate, and connect us. Teaching and Transformation: Lessons from the classroom that shaped her creative voice and worldview. Loss and Renewal: How grief, love, and change inspired her collections The Far Unlit Unknown and The River Only Runs One Way. The Craft of Writing: The importance of revision, reflection, and returning to one's work with new eyes. Poetry vs. Songwriting: Exploring the similarities and differences between written verse and lyrical composition. The Courage to Create: Why waiting to share your art is the biggest mistake—and how to release your work fearlessly.   Memorable Quotes "Loneliness is a compass guiding you toward becoming more of who you've always been." – Mary Lou Kayser "If you are being called to create—don't wait. Time is always moving, and the river only runs one way." – Mary Lou Kayser "How can we expect to write beautiful words if we're not filled with them?" – John Chisum   Final Thought Mary Lou reminds us that art is not just about expression—it's about connection, transformation, and courage. Whether you're a poet, songwriter, or storyteller, your creativity is a bridge between the human and the divine. Don't wait for the "right" time. Create now, share freely, and trust the river to carry your words where they need to go.   Resources & Links:   Connect with Mary Lou Kayser and "Play Your Position" Podcast: maryloukayser.com   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: ED RODE: We Are All Storytellers   Guest: Ed Rode, Iconic Nashville Photographer and Author of "Songwriter: Musician Behind the Curtain with Nashville's Iconic Storytellers and Players" Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary In this visually rich and inspiring episode, host John Chisum sits down with celebrated photographer Ed Rode, whose lens has captured some of the most iconic figures in music—from Chet Atkins, Dolly Parton, and Willie Nelson to Taylor Swift and Vince Gill. Through his stunning photography and storytelling, Ed shares how a 35-year journey documenting Nashville's creative legends turned into his new coffee table book, Songwriter: Musician. Together, John and Ed explore the intersection of photography, songwriting, and storytelling, revealing how every frame—and every lyric—has the power to invite people into a meaningful moment. Ed reflects on the mentorship of Chet Atkins, his experiences photographing legends like Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton, and the emotional encounters that defined his career, including a powerful moment with Glen Campbell near the end of his life. This episode is a celebration of creativity in all forms and a reminder that great art—whether a photograph or a song—comes from deep observation, patience, and heart.   Key Topics & Highlights The Origins of Ed's Career: How a chance encounter with Chet Atkins led to decades of photographing music legends. Storytelling Across Mediums: Why photography and songwriting share the same DNA—inviting others into a moment. The Art of Capturing Authenticity: How Ed disarms his subjects to reveal the truest version of themselves. Mentorship and Mastery: What Ed learned from icons like Chet Atkins and why mentorship shapes creative excellence. The Soul of a Photograph: Behind-the-scenes stories with Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn, and Glen Campbell. Work Ethic vs. Talent: The balance between natural ability, discipline, and the willingness to grow. Creativity in the Digital Age: Why true storytelling and human perspective can never be replaced by AI. Teaching and Giving Back: How Ed now passes on his craft as a photography instructor, continuing the cycle of creativity.   Final Takeaway Whether through a song or a photograph, creativity is about storytelling that connects hearts. Ed Rode's journey reminds us that art isn't just about talent—it's about persistence, curiosity, and the courage to see beauty in every fleeting moment. As he says, "We're all storytellers," and every story told from the heart has the power to inspire.   Resources & Links: Connect with Ed Rode edrode.com Book: Songwriter: Musician Behind the Curtain with Nashville's Iconic Storytellers and Players Available online and at the Country Music Hall of Fame Store.   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: The Skill of Rewriting   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with NCS Vice President of A&R and Production, Bryant Urich, to dive deep into the art and discipline of rewriting songs. As part of the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge, they explore why rewriting is essential to crafting powerful, lasting songs—and how humility, skill, and intentionality play key roles in the process.   From Clark Beckham's new songwriting courses to the band Eauclaire's latest release, John and Bryant also share exciting NCS updates and practical encouragement for songwriters at every level. Whether you're polishing your next worship anthem or trying to take your lyric from good to great, this episode offers real-world insights that will elevate your songwriting craft.   Key Topics & Highlights: The importance of rewriting month in the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge How professional songwriters approach rewriting and editing Balancing inspiration with skill and craft Why "writing is rewriting" — the mindset that separates hobbyists from pros Overcoming false humility and defensiveness about your work Pre-writing and research as essential steps toward great songs Strengthening your hook and title through rhyme and alliteration Keeping focus on the "One Big Idea" (OBI) in every song The emotional power of songs—why listeners remember how you made them feel Upcoming NCS resources, courses, and community updates   Final Thought: Rewriting isn't about undoing your inspiration—it's about refining it. Every great songwriter knows that inspiration starts the fire, but skill shapes it into something lasting. When you're willing to revisit your work with humility and fresh eyes, you give your songs the chance to truly speak to others.   Resources & Links:   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: Steele Crosswhite & Caleb Yetton: From Rock to Redemption   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton from The Rock Church in Salt Lake City, Utah. Once a rock musician sharing stages with artists like the Foo Fighters, Sheryl Crow, and Maroon 5, Steele encountered the grace of Jesus and traded the spotlight for a life of ministry and songwriting rooted in the local church. Together with Caleb, a fellow pastor and musician, Steele shares how God transformed his music and mission—leading to Captured by Grace, a record originally released twenty years ago and now beautifully reimagined for a new generation. The conversation dives into faith, creativity, and how great songs can grow from obedience and community within the local church.   What You'll Learn: How Steele's encounter with Jesus radically changed his life and music The story behind Captured by Grace and its 20-year anniversary re-release Why The Rock Church's music ministry is thriving in a challenging cultural landscape How songwriting can serve as a tool for mission and discipleship The importance of local church creativity and community-driven worship How music from Utah is impacting lives far beyond the state's borders   Key Topics & Highlights: From rock and roll to ministry – Steele's transition from touring with major acts to leading music at The Rock Church. Captured by Grace – the inspiration, writing process, and new arrangements for the 20th anniversary project. Partnership and vision – how Caleb and Steele co-pastor, co-create, and lead a thriving creative community. Local church as a creative hub – empowering artists to make excellent music that reaches their own communities. Utah as a mission field – ministering in one of the least evangelical states in the U.S. through authentic worship. Timeless songwriting – how songs like "Matters" continue to resonate 20 years later with new life and production. Collaboration and legacy – involving new musicians and worship leaders in revisiting classic songs.   Final Takeaway: Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton remind us that when we give God our gifts, He gives them back refined with purpose. Whether on a stage or in a small church, great music begins with obedience, community, and a heart fully captured by grace.   Resources & Links: Listen to Steele Crosswhite, Caleb Yetton, and The Rock Music! https://open.spotify.com/artist/1EqgZg4Y6LDJPlkbi7mWcF?si=cSrldCtmSyy_luV8KxNipw https://open.spotify.com/artist/27zD09dXJnOpZ3qfeXpzu8?si=KVnMeqm7RGKU3HcQxufi6w https://open.spotify.com/artist/0c8xYlEYETimOaLlGZcMVk?si=AjZJ1QwzTKiVrzv8jP2zpg   Visit therockmusic.org for updates, music, and church information.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum turns the tables and welcomes longtime radio hosts Dawn Ray May and Steve Hiller, formerly of Moody Radio and now co-hosts of the Dawn and Steve Plus podcast. With decades of experience in Christian radio, Dawn and Steve share stories of their broadcasting journeys, memorable interviews with iconic artists, and the lessons they've learned about faith, resilience, and community. The conversation also dives deep into mental health, soul care, and why creating safe spaces for healing is central to their new podcast ministry.   What You'll Learn: How Dawn and Steve built careers in Christian radio. Memorable stories from interviews with artists like Stephen Curtis Chapman, Jeremy Camp, and Twila Paris. The shift from radio to podcasting and the freedom it brings. Dawn's personal journey through grief, trauma, and healing after her father's death. Why mental health and soul care are at the heart of their podcast. The importance of safe community, counseling, and practical soul care for Christians today.   Key Topics & Highlights: The power of radio and music ministry – how songs and interviews shaped their years at Moody. From radio to podcasting – navigating the challenges and new freedoms of digital media. Personal story of loss and healing – Dawn's testimony of finding hope through counseling after trauma. Breaking stigma in the church – honest conversations about counseling, mental health, and faith. Addiction, connection, and boundaries – insights from their counselor guest, Phil Herndon. The mission of Dawn and Steve Plus – encouraging, inspiring, and pointing listeners to Jesus through honest, hope-filled dialogue.     Final Takeaway: Dawn and Steve's story is one of resilience, faith, and obedience. From years in radio to launching a podcast focused on soul care and the gospel, they remind us that God can use every part of our story—our gifts, our pain, and our healing—to encourage and build up others.     Resources & Links:   Keep up with Dawn & Steve www.dawnandsteveplus.com   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, musician, and American Idol finalist Clark Beckham. Known for his soulful voice and authentic artistry, Clark shares his journey from small-town beginnings to national recognition and beyond. The conversation dives deep into the balance between ambition and surrender, the lessons learned from rejection and waiting, and how faith anchors him through every season of the creative process. Clark opens up about his experiences in the spotlight, the realities of the music industry, and how staying grounded in God's timing has reshaped his approach to songwriting. He also discusses how true artistry comes from honesty, craftsmanship, and humility rather than chasing trends or fame.   What You'll Learn: Clark's journey from church musician to American Idol finalist How fame and faith intersect in a culture of instant success Why patience and humility are essential in the creative process The importance of writing songs that come from truth, not pressure Lessons learned about identity, calling, and creative stewardship How to balance musical ambition with spiritual contentment   Key Topics & Highlights: Early beginnings – discovering music in the church and learning multiple instruments The American Idol experience – highs, challenges, and how it shaped Clark's character Faith through waiting – trusting God's timing when dreams seem delayed Songwriting as honesty – why vulnerability and craft outweigh hype and algorithms Navigating the industry – what Clark learned about labels, fame, and staying authentic Spiritual maturity in art – how surrender leads to stronger songs and deeper peace Creating from overflow – writing songs from what God is doing in your life, not for validation   Final Takeaway: Clark Beckham's story is a reminder that success in music—and in life—isn't about speed or visibility but about faithfulness. God's timing is perfect, and the songs that last are born from honesty, surrender, and a heart that trusts Him fully.   Resources & Links: Follow Clark Beckham on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/clarkbeckham/ Visit Clark's website: clarkbeckham.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with acclaimed songwriter and worship leader Mia Fieldes, whose songs have been recorded by artists like Lauren Daigle, Zach Williams, Phil Wickham, Kim Walker-Smith, and many more. From growing up in poverty and seasons of homelessness to becoming one of the most prolific voices in modern worship, Mia shares how faith, perseverance, and gratitude have shaped her journey. With honesty and humor, she opens up about her songwriting process, contending for miracles, and the importance of stewarding your gifts with diligence.   What You'll Learn: How Mia overcame early hardships and developed unshakable faith. Why gratitude is a key to unlocking God's promises. The story behind writing Chain Breaker with Zach Williams. Why being a specialist is vital for songwriters. How to balance inspiration, discipline, and co-writing partnerships. Why faith should sometimes feel "offensive" in a culture of self-reliance.   Key Topics & Highlights: Gratitude as a lifestyle – learning to thank God as an access point to His promises. Developing your craft – why excellence and hard work matter more than talent alone. Writing from revelation – how songs like Fierce and Tremble were born from real-life moments and prayers. Faith as a muscle – how persevering through trials strengthens belief. Stewardship in songwriting – becoming a "specialist" rather than a generalist. Miracle stories – contending for healing, children, and breakthrough despite impossibility. The bigger calling – why your life mission goes beyond music and how to carry faith into every moment.   Final Takeaway: Mia's story is a testimony of resilience, faith, and the power of stewarding your gifts well. Her journey reminds us that God can, He will, and He wants to—and that our agreement with His promises can change everything.     Resources & Links: Follow Mia Fieldes on Instagram  https://www.instagram.com/miafieldes/reels/?hl=en   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Does God Really Give You Songs?   Episode Summary: In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich tackle one of the most frequently asked—and often misunderstood—questions among songwriters: Does God really give you songs?   As Nashville Christian Songwriters celebrates its 10th anniversary, John and Bryant reflect on thousands of conversations with writers over the years who have wrestled with this very idea. Together, they unpack the difference between divine inspiration and developed craft, the tension between personal meaning and commercial viability, and how comparison and expectations can distort the creative process.   With honesty and humor, John and Bryant explore how to honor inspiration while still doing the hard work of rewriting, editing, and learning the skills that make songs accessible, singable, and lasting.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why so many writers say, "God gave me this song" The difference between inspiration and craftsmanship How comparison with big-name writers can hinder your growth Why singability, hooks, and editing matter in songwriting The role of influence and platform in a song's success Why humility and stewardship are essential for every songwriter   Key Topics & Highlights: John's 3,000+ conversations with aspiring songwriters over 10 years The sensitive nature of claiming "God gave me this song" How inspiration often comes through our own skills, training, and background Why accessibility and clarity make songs "sticky" and memorable The influence of platforms like Hillsong, Bethel, and Chris Tomlin on worship music The difference between good songs and commercial songs Why one song can launch a ministry—but many songs may never leave your journal The importance of being open to rewriting and receiving feedback Why personal transformation through songwriting is as important as public impact   Final Takeaway: Yes, God does inspire songs—but inspiration alone doesn't make you a great songwriter. True growth comes from humility, stewardship, and developing your craft so that the songs God births in you can reach and impact others.   Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: Claire Bacon, Bryant Urich, Chris Crenshaw, Kyle Kicker, and Jack Landis   Episode Title: STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover   Episode Summary: In this special episode of Song Revolution, the microphones are turned toward the Nashville Christian Songwriters staffas the team celebrates NCS's upcoming 10-year anniversary. With John Chisum away on vacation, Claire, Bryant, Chris, Kyle, and Jack take over to share their stories, talk about their paths to NCS, and give listeners a glimpse of the unique personalities that make up the heart of the organization.   From music industry journeys and Springfield connections, to rapid-fire fun questions like "Is cereal a soup?"—this episode is equal parts insightful and entertaining. Along the way, the team reflects on their own defining moments in music, the role of community, and why they love serving songwriters through NCS.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How each NCS team member found their way into music and ministry The "Springfield theory" and why so many of the team come from a Springfield Defining moments that sparked a love for music and creativity How NCS serves songwriters through publishing, coaching, community, and production The highs and lows of today's music industry and what the future may hold Lighthearted team banter, rapid-fire questions, and behind-the-scenes laughs   Key Topics & Highlights: Jack's journey from interning at NCS to joining the team full-time Chris's background as a youth pastor, event organizer, and touring drummer Claire's path from Bethel Music and label work to NCS publishing and project management Kyle's experiences as a worship pastor and band member before moving to Nashville Bryant's early Nashville days, publishing insights, and role in building the NCS community The Springfield, Ohio/Missouri connection and its surprising role in the team's stories Honest reflections on the realities of today's streaming-driven music business Fun debates: doors vs. wheels, cereal as soup, and musician pet peeves   Final Takeaway: Behind every great song is a community of people who believe in its potential. The NCS team exists to serve, support, and encourage songwriters from all walks of life, proving that creativity thrives best in connection.   Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes back singer-songwriter, producer, and filmmaker Andrew Greer for another deep and thought-provoking conversation. From literature and scripture to mysticism, minimalism, and music, John and Andrew explore how faith, creativity, and a posture of humility shape our art and our lives.   Andrew shares about his move from Nashville to the small town of Plains, Georgia, and how a slower pace has opened up new margins for community and creativity. Together they wrestle with ideas of certainty, control, and judgment in faith, drawing wisdom from mystics, the Civil Rights Movement, and Andrew's latest record, Songs from the Dark. If you've ever struggled with doubt, wrestled with control, or wondered how to connect your spiritual life more deeply to your art, this conversation is for you.   What You'll Learn in This Episode Why Andrew believes books and literature fuel creativity and songwriting How mystics like Thomas Merton and Meister Eckhart influence faith and art The danger of certainty in faith and how doubt actually strengthens belief Lessons from the Civil Rights Movement on humility, justice, and love Andrew's songwriting process behind Songs from the Dark The power of laying down judgment and control to live in freedom   Key Topics & Highlights Books & Spiritual Reading Andrew and John discuss the influence of authors like Thomas Merton, Mother Teresa, NT Wright, and Richard Foster. The value of memoirs and literature in opening perspectives beyond scripture alone. Scripture itself as mystery and mysticism, especially in the Gospels and books of wisdom. Mysticism & Faith The infinite nature of God and our being—living forever as an endless journey of discovery. Faith as uncertainty and openness rather than rigid certainty. Letting go of control, judgment, and resistance to embrace communion with God and others. Justice, Prejudice & Love Reflections on the Civil Rights Movement and Andrew Young's example of radical love. Loving our enemies as a revolutionary act of following Jesus. Challenging cultural and religious biases that distort the Gospel's radical call to love. Creativity & Inspiration How reading literature and scripture fuels songwriting and artistic expression. Music as communion with God, often born out of darkness, mystery, and unknowing. Andrew's latest album Songs from the Dark, including tracks "Rescue Me" and "Hands," which emerged from conflict, grief, and the pandemic. Suffering, Presence & Surrender John shares his heart attack experience and practicing "being with the pain" instead of resisting it. The grace of letting go of resistance and shame, allowing God's presence even in suffering.   Final Thought This conversation reminds us that faith and creativity both thrive in openness, mystery, and surrender—not certainty or control. Whether through books, music, or life's hardest experiences, God continually invites us into deeper communion, where judgment gives way to love, and darkness can give birth to unexpected light.     Resources & Links: Connect with Andrew Greer:  andrew-greer.com    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Inside Music Publishing   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum is joined by Claire Bacon and Bryant Urich from the NCS team for a lively and practical discussion on music publishing. Together, they break down the difference between creative and administrative publishing, share behind-the-scenes stories from Claire's time at Bethel Music, and explore how co-writing, retreats, and publishing support can shape a songwriter's career.   The conversation also dives into the DIY side of publishing—what it means to take control of your rights and royalties, how to avoid getting lost in the sea of mediocre songs released every day, and why honing your craft is essential if you want to stand out.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: The difference between creative and administrative publishing Why pairing the right writers together makes or breaks a song Stories from Claire's experience interning at Bethel Music The role of writing retreats and camps in developing strong songs How to DIY your publishing if you don't have a company backing you Why focusing on quality and intentionality helps your songs stand out   Key Topics & Highlights: Claire's journey from MTSU to Bethel Music to NCS The matchmaking side of creative publishing and how it shapes songwriting sessions How NCS retreats create powerful co-writing opportunities The challenge of standing out among millions of songs released each year Avoiding vague lyrics and writing with genre and purpose in mind Favorite songwriters and the impact of writers like Mia Fieldes, Cody Carnes, and Benjamin William Hastings   Final Takeaway: Music publishing is more than contracts and royalties—it's about connection, collaboration, and ensuring your songs have the best chance to thrive. Whether through a publisher or by learning the DIY path, understanding the business side of songwriting is just as important as mastering the craft.   Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling   Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary: In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a respected artist and filmmaker, Andrew shares how music has always been more than sound—it has been a divine meeting point and a lifelong connection to God.   Andrew opens up about discovering music as collaboration with the Creator, the spiritual weight of art, and how songwriters and storytellers carry the yearning for belonging and acceptance. He and John dive into the mystery of creativity, the intersection of sacred and "secular" art, and the role of music in healing, connection, and co-creation with God. This first part of the interview also explores Andrew's reflections on growing up with thoughtful parents, his deep love for liner notes, the importance of songwriting beyond categories, and the spiritual resonance of great artists from Joni Mitchell to Roberta Flack.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Andrew's early encounter with music and its connection to faith How music serves as collaboration with our Creator The difference between original sin and original virtue in shaping our lives Why songwriting is about more than "Christian" or "secular" categories How great art and music point us toward belonging and acceptance Andrew's insights on the indie music landscape and why it's a great time for creators   Key Topics & Highlights: The spiritual role of music as connection and belonging How Andrew discovered a calling for songwriting and storytelling at an early age The influence of his parents and church community on shaping his worldview Why labeling art as sacred vs. secular often misses the deeper point Stories from Andrew's journey at Belmont University and launching into music Insights on how artists like Joni Mitchell, Roberta Flack, and others shaped his perspective Why vulnerability and honesty in songwriting resonate more deeply than formulas   Final Takeaway: At its heart, music is not about categories or success—it is about connection. Whether writing songs, producing stories, or simply listening, music offers us a chance to collaborate with God and remind one another that we belong.     Resources & Links:   Explore Andrew Greer's work:  https://www.andrew-greer.com/    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Music Publishing in 2025   Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution continues with a practical and eye-opening conversation on one of the most misunderstood topics in the music industry: publishing. Hosts John Chisum, Claire Bacon, and Bryant Urich break down what publishing really means in 2025, how it has changed from the traditional gatekeeper model of the past, and why understanding it is essential for every songwriter.   From copyright protection to royalty collection, from self-publishing to partnering with a publisher, this episode offers clarity and encouragement to help you take control of your songs and your future. If you've ever wondered whether you need a publisher, how to register your songs, or how to build the right relationships in the industry, this discussion will give you practical steps forward.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: The difference between copyright and publishing How publishing has evolved from gatekeepers to digital access The two sides of publishing: administration vs. creative development Why many songwriters choose self-publishing today What publishers actually do for songwriters How to know if you're ready for a publishing deal Why relationships matter more than cold submissions How to find community and connection no matter where you live   Key Topics and Highlights: John's early Nashville days and the old gatekeeper model of publishing Claire's experience developing writers and matching them in the right rooms Bryant's perspective on band publishing and handling royalties as a group The importance of building your own foundation before seeking a publisher How marketing and publishing have become two separate tracks Practical steps every songwriter can take on their own: registering songs, networking, showcasing your work, and learning the basics of copyright   Memorable Quotes from the Episode: "Copyright is about protection. Publishing is about getting your song out there." "A publisher's job is to elevate what you're already doing—not create it for you." "So much of making music today is DIY, and that's a good thing." "Publishing isn't just about royalties—it's about relationships."   Final Takeaway: You don't need a publisher to get started, but you do need to understand publishing. By learning the basics, building relationships, and developing your craft, you'll be ready when the right opportunities come.   Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum   Episode Title: MADALYN ROSE: Forgiveness, Faith, and Finding Your Voice   Episode Summary: In this heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down in Moab, Utah, with emerging singer-songwriter Madalyn Rose to talk about her journey through personal loss, rebuilding her life, and finding healing through songwriting. From her Montana roots to worship leading in Colorado, Madalyn shares how grief, forgiveness, and faith have shaped both her music and her outlook on life.   The conversation dives deep into the stories behind her songs, including "See What Grows," a reflection on the power of letting go, and "Who You Leave Behind," written for her church's legacy series. With honesty and warmth, Madalyn recounts pivotal moments—like singing with Allen Stone at the Heaven on Earth Festival—that affirmed her calling and opened unexpected doors.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How personal tragedy can shape songwriting and deepen artistry Why forgiveness is key to emotional and spiritual freedom The backstory of "See What Grows" and "Who You Leave Behind" How to stay open to God's leading in creative and personal decisions The role of community and connection in sustaining an artist's journey Why saying "yes" to small promptings can lead to life-changing moments   Key Topics and Highlights: Navigating the loss of her mother and the breakdown of her marriage in the same season Choosing forgiveness over bitterness and the spiritual transformation it sparked The inspiration and meaning behind "See What Grows" How a leap of faith at the Heaven on Earth Festival led to performing with Allen Stone Balancing worship leading, songwriting, and motherhood The story of receiving a dream guitar through an unexpected act of generosity Trusting God to weave together opportunities and connections in His timing   Quotes from the Episode: "Forgiveness is the only path to freedom we have." "I didn't mean it when I said it, but the Lord started doing a work in my heart." "God saved me from building up walls."   Final Takeaway: Your story, no matter how painful, can become a song that touches others. By choosing forgiveness, staying tenderhearted, and following God's quiet nudges, you open the door for beauty to grow from brokenness.   Resources & Links:   Follow Madalyn Rose on Instagram: @iammadalynrose Listen to Madalyn's music on Spotify & Apple Music under Madalyn Rose https://linktr.ee/madalynnrosemusic      NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Time, Tithe, and Talent   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum and Bryant Urich shift the focus inward to explore what it really means to be a songwriter in today's world. Beyond writing lyrics and melodies, this conversation is about discovering the deeper motivations that drive your creative work—your identity, purpose, and the integrity behind the songs you share.   John and Bryant discuss the pressures that come with songwriting in the Christian space, the temptation to chase trends, and the challenge of staying spiritually grounded in the process. With honest stories and practical insight, they offer encouragement to writers at any stage—whether you're just getting started or trying to reignite your creative spark.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why songwriting is as much about spiritual formation as it is about craft How to stay connected to your purpose when writing gets hard The danger of creating to be seen or validated by others Why your identity must be rooted in something deeper than public approval How personal growth leads to stronger, more honest songs Why songwriting is a long game that rewards consistency and humility   Key Topics and Highlights: The internal conflict many songwriters face between calling and performance Why it's okay to take breaks when creativity feels dry John's reflections on mentoring writers through burnout and self-doubt Bryant's experience rediscovering joy in the process of writing, not just releasing The power of writing songs that minister to you before they minister to others Letting go of perfectionism and pressure to produce commercial work Writing from a place of wholeness instead of striving The value of community, coaching, and trusted feedback in your journey   Final Takeaway: Your songs matter—but not because of streams, charts, or recognition. They matter because they're a reflection of your story, your journey, and your willingness to be honest with God and others. When you write from that place, the impact will follow.       Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum   Guest: Dan Dean   Episode Title: DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean   Episode Summary: In this powerful and heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Dan Dean—one-third of the legendary trio Phillips, Craig & Dean—to explore a decades-long career marked by timeless songs, deep-rooted ministry, and a newly released solo album, More. From early cassette recordings to leading worship across the globe, Dan opens up about perseverance, songwriting, the power of legacy, and why he's more inspired than ever to keep creating.   What You'll Hear: Dan's early journey from solo artist to founding member of Phillips, Craig & Dean Behind-the-scenes stories from their 30+ year career and 14 studio albums How one heartfelt war-time promise shaped generations of ministry The spiritual and emotional layers behind Dan's new solo album, More A father-son duet and the family legacy of faith through music Why beloved songs like "Crucified with Christ" and "Revelation Song" still resonate Words of encouragement for aspiring songwriters and worship leaders   Featured Songs from More: "More" – A song of hope written during the isolation of COVID "Home" – A heartfelt duet with Dan's son, Devin Dean "Mother of Boys" – Inspired by a poem written by Dan's mom "Never Gets Old" – A touching reflection on the unchanging power of Scripture Notable Quotes: "God always has more of what you need." "You want to hear the songs that brought some kind of emotional or spiritual impact in your life." "The power of one man's decision can impact generations." "It wasn't always easy, but we were faithful to the call."     Resources & Links:   Connect with Dan Dean: https://www.dandeanofficial.com/   Follow Dan on Instagram: @danpcd   NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Want to Be a Christian Artist?   Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution kicks off with a powerful conversation between hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich about what it truly means to pursue a calling as a Christian artist. Reflecting on their recent experience at the Heaven on Earth Festival in Moab, Utah, they share personal stories, hard truths, and practical encouragement for artists who feel called to create for the Kingdom.   This episode is about more than music. It's about authenticity, obedience, and learning to start where you are. Whether you're a worship leader, an indie singer-songwriter, or simply exploring your creative gifts, John and Bryant challenge you to examine your motivation, clarify your calling, and step forward in faith—no matter your stage or platform.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why "becoming" is more important than "arriving" in your artist journey The difference between creating art from identity vs. seeking identity through art How to start from where you are, without needing to impress or perform Why your story is your greatest songwriting asset How comparison, insecurity, and external validation can derail your calling The importance of community and mentorship in your creative development Why Christian artistry must be rooted in spiritual obedience, not metrics or success   Key Topics and Highlights: Takeaways from the Heaven on Earth Festival: worship, storytelling, and deep connection The false pressure to look like a "real artist" before you actually become one John's reflections on his Integrity Music years and what has changed since Bryant's honest experience stepping into live performance and finding freedom The sacredness of your story and how it shapes the songs you write What Christian artists must understand about calling, identity, and surrender How coaching, development, and trusted community make a measurable difference A preview of what's coming in Season 3 of the podcast   Final Takeaway: Success in Christian music isn't about being famous. It's about being faithful. The journey of becoming an artist starts with showing up, stewarding your story, and letting God shape the outcome.   Resources & Links:   Listen to Eauclaire's music! https://linktr.ee/eauclaire    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: Bryant Urich Guest: Justin Gambino Episode Title: JUSTIN GAMBINO: Turning Trials into Testimony Episode Summary: In one of the most powerful episodes of Song Revolution to date, host Bryant Urich sits down with recording artist and worship leader Justin Gambino, who shares his raw and redemptive life story—from addiction and criminal charges at age 18, to leading worship in Iraq, to becoming a full-time touring Christian artist.   Raised in church and homeschooled in small-town Texas, Justin began his musical journey strumming his Bible as a boy, only to spiral into a destructive lifestyle during his teenage years. A run-in with the law, followed by a choice between prison and military service, led him to the Navy—and eventually to Iraq, where God quite literally put the guitar back in his hands.   This episode traces Justin's powerful transformation, the birth of his music career, and the spiritual awakening that reignited his faith. His 2023 album Made New and the ongoing annual revival in his hometown are living proof of God's faithfulness and redemption.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How Justin went from addiction and theft to leading worship in Iraq Why his first deployment became the turning point in his spiritual journey The role of music in reconnecting with God during his darkest season How COVID-19 shutdowns helped him rediscover his purpose What it means to truly surrender your platform and calling to God The incredible story behind the founding of a county-wide revival in the same courthouse where he once stood trial   Key Moments: 03:00 – Justin's musical roots and discovering Christian music 10:00 – Addiction, brokenness, and being arrested at 18 13:00 – Choosing military service over a felony conviction 18:00 – Feeling lost in Iraq and reconnecting with God through worship 23:00 – Leading worship for fellow soldiers and rebuilding faith 29:00 – Going full-time in music and launching his career 35:00 – Falling into complacency and chasing popularity in Christian music 39:00 – The spiritual breakthrough during COVID that inspired Made New 43:00 – The full-circle moment of leading worship on the courthouse steps 47:00 – Launching an annual revival and walking in true purpose   Closing Thought: Justin's story is a reminder that no matter how far you've fallen, God is still writing your story—and sometimes He puts the guitar back in your hands just when you think the music is over.   Resources & Links:   Listen to Justin Gambino's album Made New on all streaming platforms Follow Justin on Instagram: @justingambinomusic Learn more at justingambino.com    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Mapping Your Next Steps in Music Making   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich continue their deep dive into what it means to build a career in the current music landscape. They break down how the music business has radically changed in recent years, why anyone can now record and distribute music, and what that means for artists trying to rise above the noise.   John and Bryant also get practical, discussing how to identify your "why," set realistic goals, and map out the next right steps for your music. From learning the craft to investing wisely in production and marketing, they highlight the common pitfalls and the importance of not rushing into expensive projects before your songs are truly ready.   Drawing on stories from artists like Howard Gripp and Katrina Pacheco, they demonstrate how patience, coaching, and strategic planning lead to long-term success. They also stress why building your skills and your message is essential before stepping into the studio or pursuing larger platforms.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How streaming, technology, and user-generated content have transformed the music industry Why quality matters more than ever in a market saturated with average songs The crucial role of understanding your mission and message as an artist Practical examples of artists who took time to develop before seeing breakthroughs How to wisely approach production, avoid common traps, and make your money count The benefits of mentorship, coaching, and being part of a creative community   Key Topics and Highlights: The democratization of music: anyone can now produce and release songs, for better or worse Why thousands of songs on Spotify never get a single play—and how to stand out How to clarify your "why" so you can create music with clear purpose and focus Real-world examples of artists who spent years developing before landing record deals or large ministry opportunities Why rushing into the studio often backfires and how to avoid wasting money on songs that aren't ready The role of producers in shaping an authentic sound that fits both your message and your audience How NCS helps artists and songwriters at every stage, from first drafts to full-scale releases   Practical Next Steps Discussed: Write consistently to hone your craft before anything else Record simple demos to capture ideas and start shaping your sound Seek out honest feedback and coaching to strengthen your writing Decide whether to produce yourself or hire a producer—and how to choose wisely Build a plan around your first professional recording rather than jumping in blind Understand that making it in music is a long process that requires patience, investment, and strategic growth   Final Takeaway: No matter your age, background, or level of experience, the most important thing is to keep growing in your songwriting, stay clear on your mission, and take the next right step—without skipping the foundation that will make your music truly impactful.   Get Involved: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective - Check out the artists we're working with! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum Special Guest: Chris Weinberg Episode Title: CHRIS WEINBERG: Build a Business For Your Music Episode Summary: This week on Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Chris Weinberg, a top business and performance coach who has worked with Fortune 500 executives, artists, entertainment companies, and entrepreneurs. As someone who has helped creative professionals turn their passion into a sustainable business, Chris shares valuable insights on what it takes to monetize your music career.   If you're a songwriter, independent artist, or creative professional trying to navigate the business side of music, this episode is packed with real-world strategies to help you structure your success. Chris breaks down his four pillars for a thriving business—People, Sales, Profit, and Self—and explains why balancing these elements is crucial for any artist looking to grow their career.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: The difference between coaching and consulting—and why both matter How to think like a CEO of your own music career Why artists struggle with the business side of music—and how to overcome it The four essential pillars of business success: People, Sales, Profit & Self How to build multiple revenue streams as a songwriter and musician Practical steps to monetize your music and develop your brand   Key Moments: [03:03] – Chris Weinberg's journey into coaching & working with creatives [05:52] – Coaching vs. consulting: What's the difference? [08:27] – The biggest challenges creative people face in business [13:12] – Why successful artists need business coaching [19:08] – Breaking down the four pillars of success [26:07] – The mindset shift: Treating your music as a business, not a hobby [32:52] – The value of investing in coaching for long-term growth [37:09] – Final takeaways: Why you need a plan for success   Get Involved: Check out what Chris is doing at Well Coached https://www.wellcoachedconsulting.com/   NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: How Music Works Now   Episode Summary: In this kickoff episode for July, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich reflect on the first half of 2025 and introduce the month's focus: understanding how the music industry works today. They explore the challenges and changes facing songwriters and artists, especially those operating outside traditional industry systems. From redefining what "making it" means to embracing the calling of songwriting at every level, this episode delivers both practical insight and encouragement for Christian creatives.   John and Bryant share lessons from their own journeys, reflect on standout moments from past guests, and unpack why success looks different for everyone—from indie artists like Jason Lovins and Justin Gambino to songwriters working quietly at home. The conversation highlights the importance of obedience, daily faithfulness, and allowing God to shape your creative path—one step at a time.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: - How the definition of "success" in music has evolved - Why comparison is one of the biggest creativity killers - What it takes to build a career in today's indie music economy - Why obedience and consistency are more valuable than overnight success - How NCS is helping songwriters at every stage of their journey - Practical resources to understand the business side of music   Key Moments: - Reflecting on standout episodes and guests from 2025 so far - Why the indie artist model is more relevant than ever - Breaking down the myth of "overnight fame" - How John rebuilt his music career at age 58 - The power of obedience in creative and career decisions  -Why your journey is valid—no matter what stage you're in  -Resources and book recommendations for navigating the music business - A preview of upcoming episodes on building a business and mapping your next steps   Recommended Resources: - How to Make It in the New Music Business by Ari Herstand - How to Make a Living in the Music Business by Vince Wilcox - NCS Free Monthly Training – First Monday of each month - NCS Community for coaching, connection, and weekly support - Upcoming NCS Songwriting Retreat: October 16–18, 2025   Take the Next Step: Whether you're a hobbyist, a worship leader, or a developing artist, NCS has tools to help you grow. From free resources to deep-dive coaching, you're invited to take one step forward on your songwriting journey. Visit nashvillechristiansongwriters.com to learn more, explore our library of past podcast episodes, and access everything from blogs to artist development programs.   Get Involved: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective - Check out the artists we're working with! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Guest: Mandy Morris (Executive Coach, Therapist, EMDR Specialist)   Episode Title: MANDY MORRIS: Overcoming Writers Block with EMDR   Episode Summary: In this compelling episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes Mandy Morris, a licensed therapist, executive psychological coach, and EMDR specialist. Together, they explore how trauma, subconscious belief systems, and emotional blocks can interfere with creativity—and how tools like EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) can help artists, songwriters, and leaders break through creative roadblocks and limiting mindsets.   Mandy shares powerful insights into the connection between childhood wiring and adult patterns, how subconscious beliefs shape behavior, and why understanding your emotional makeup is key to unlocking lasting creative freedom. The episode even includes a brief, live EMDR demo where Mandy guides John through a real-time experience of clearing emotional tension.   Whether you're feeling stuck creatively, battling imposter syndrome, or just looking for new ways to access your most authentic work, this episode will offer hope, clarity, and practical tools for healing and breakthrough.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How subconscious beliefs formed in childhood influence adult creativity and behavior The difference between conscious and subconscious thinking How trauma—even small moments—can impact long-term performance and identity Why "writer's block" is often a symptom of unresolved emotional patterns What EMDR is and how it can help you rewire your brain for breakthrough How to begin healing from the past to access greater peace and productivity   Key Topics Covered: What executive psychological coaching is and how it can help creatives and leaders How EMDR works and why it's effective for emotional healing The false messages we carry from childhood and how to rewrite them Why not all creative blocks are craft-related—many are emotional How bilateral stimulation helps calm the nervous system and open new pathways Practical advice for songwriters and creatives to process anxiety, fear of failure, and shame   Try It Yourself: Mandy walks John through a live mini-EMDR session focused on the fear of failure. The brief but effective tapping sequence provides a glimpse into how physical and neurological techniques can bring emotional relief and mental clarity—even in just a few minutes.   Closing Thought: You don't have to stay stuck. Creativity can be restored, and healing is possible. When you clear the emotional clutter, your best work—and your truest self—can finally come through.   Resources & Links: Learn more about Mandy Morris and her work https://mandyemorris.com/    Try the So Free app (currently in beta), designed to reset your nervous system in two minutes https://www.getsofree.com/      NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert   Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary: In this deeply moving episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes recording artist and worship leader Sarah Kroger for an honest conversation about faith, identity, songwriting, and spiritual wilderness. With a contemplative heart and a background shaped by Catholic tradition, Sarah shares how her latest album A New Reality was birthed in a season of silence and questioning.   Together, John and Sarah explore what it means to embrace mystery in the Christian life, the importance of living in the present moment, and how belovedness can become an anchor in seasons of darkness. They also discuss the role of co-writing in Sarah's journey, her musical influences, and the inspiration behind standout tracks like "Galaxies," "Ghost," and the beloved fan-favorite "Belovedness."   Whether you're navigating your own spiritual desert or longing to write from a deeper place, this episode offers a rich well of encouragement, authenticity, and insight.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How Sarah Kroger discovered her identity as a songwriter through co-writing Why gratitude and presence are key to thriving as an artist The inspiration and impact of her song "Belovedness" How contemplative authors like Henri Nouwen shaped her spiritual growth Why living in mystery may be the most authentic form of faith Real talk on spiritual silence, deconstruction, and creative perseverance   Key Moments: [01:09] – John welcomes listeners and introduces Sarah Kroger [03:34] – Sarah on gratitude, presence, and the joy of doing what she loves [05:56] – The early passion for music and discovering co-writing [10:24] – Influences from Nouwen, Merton, and Catholic mysticism [13:06] – John and Sarah discuss spiritual darkness and the mystery of God [17:03] – "I am with you always" as a theme through the desert [23:39] – Letting go of old faith feelings and embracing radical immediacy [29:01] – Practicing presence and the discipline of stillness [31:14] – The story behind "Belovedness" and Sarah's devotional book [36:39] – Exploring "Galaxies" and the divine image within us [38:40] – Writing "Ghost" and choosing sacred, traditional language [40:17] – John reflects on Sarah's album and the beauty of authenticity   Resources & Links: Order Sarah Kroger's devotional Belovedness: Overcoming Your Inner Critic https://sarahkroger.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community  

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and the Power of Journaling (Part 2)   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Summary: In this follow-up to their previous conversation on song concepts, John Chisum and Bryant Urich dive deeper into the craft of generating unforgettable song ideas and titles. Building on the foundation laid in Part 1, they explore how journaling, active listening, and intentional creativity can transform your songwriting from empty to inspired.   John shares lessons learned from his mentors, including Bill and Gloria Gaither, and offers a candid story about missing a major publishing opportunity—proving the importance of doing your homework and understanding your audience. Bryant weighs in with examples from his work in Eauclaire and producing artists through NCS Collective, offering real-world insight on refining ideas and developing a unique artistic voice.   If you've ever struggled to turn inspiration into impact, this episode will help you understand why writing regularly, listening broadly, and collaborating openly are key to leveling up as a Christian songwriter.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why journaling is essential for developing your lyric writing voice How to find original titles through fragments and lyrical observation The value of co-writing and rewriting to create unique songs Why great songs start with specificity and universality How to listen eclectically and study modern songwriting Real examples from NCS Collective, Eauclaire, and more   Key Moments: [02:14] – Heaven on Earth Festival preview (Moab, Utah, July 16) [05:03] – Why unforgettable titles are the core of every great song [06:48] – Lessons from Bill Gaither on writing timeless lyrics [10:23] – How journaling sharpens your creative vocabulary [12:15] – John's missed opportunity with Chicken Soup for the Soul [14:20] – The cost of not knowing your creative context [16:57] – How melody and rhyme stick with us from childhood [17:57] – Discovering your personal writing voice through journaling [21:34] – Getting inspired by song fragments and rhythmic feel [25:26] – How "Hold On Me" evolved from a beat to a finished track [27:13] – Why spiritual inspiration must still be crafted and refined [30:17] – Balancing nostalgia with modern sound in production [31:40] – The Spotify sweep: a tool to stay current with your genre [33:53] – Creativity is fueled by what you're consuming [35:12] – How NCS Collective artists are succeeding with strong foundations   Resources & Links: Register for Heaven on Earth Festival (July 16–19, Moab, UT) https://heavenonearthfestival.com   Listen to Eauclaire's single "You Me the Kids" https://lnk.to/e-YouMetheKids   Check out "Hold On Me" by John Chisum feat. Phoebe Scott https://open.spotify.com/track/6KAJV2RHqfVcVcBN7heJIF?si=7bcc3352eb2e4064   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get your free guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Start your 14-day free trial with NCS Community https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Explore Pro Song Mastery – Next group opens July 7 https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/psm   Have questions? Contact: [email protected]

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Guest: Emily Hostetler (Founder of Heaven on Earth Festival)   Episode Title: EMILY HOSTETLER: Heaven On Earth   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum is joined by special guest Emily Hostetler, founder of the Heaven on Earth music festival—a unique and immersive Christian music and wellness event held in stunning locations like Jackson Hole, Wyoming and Moab, Utah.   Emily shares her journey of discovering God's love throughout her life—from a childhood of spiritual curiosity in Boulder, Colorado to shaping a boutique worship experience that bridges the gap between churchgoers and seekers alike. Through storytelling, music, wellness, and natural beauty, Heaven on Earth offers a deeply personal space for rest, connection, and inspiration.   John and Emily also talk about the power of music in spiritual formation, the artists and vision behind the festival, and why gathering in community can be so transformative for both creatives and attendees.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How Emily's unconventional spiritual journey led to founding Heaven on Earth Why the festival focuses on soulful connection over religious programming The unique role of nature, music, and storytelling in personal transformation How Christian and mainstream artists create a welcoming, restorative experience What to expect at this summer's event in Moab, including glamping, hikes, cold plunges, and stargazing Why authenticity and vulnerability are essential for deeper faith conversations   Featured Festival Artists (2024): JOHNNYSWIM Amanda Cook Dave Barnes John McLaughlin Ashley Hess Eauclaire Madeline Rose The King Will Come   Key Moments: [02:00] Emily's spiritual foundation and discovering God's love in everyday moments [06:30] The slow revelation of faith and growing in understanding over time [08:45] Music's emotional impact and favorite worship influences [14:00] The thinkers, pastors, and voices who shaped Emily's spiritual formation [19:45] The origin of Heaven on Earth and its unique vision [24:00] Creating a festival experience that refreshes the soul without being preachy [27:00] Keeping the festival small and intimate to foster deep community [28:00] A look at the daily schedule: morning workouts, live music, storytelling, and stargazing [31:00] Recording a communal festival song and exploring creativity on-site     Resources & Links:   Learn more and register for the Heaven on Earth festival: https://www.heavenonearthfestival.com   Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and Unforgettable Titles   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Summary: This week on Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich kick off June with an essential topic for every songwriter: how to develop killer ideas and unforgettable titles. Great songs start with strong hooks, but how do you find them? Where do the best ideas come from? And how do you know when a title is fresh, original, and worth writing?   John and Bryant share personal stories, songwriting insights, and even a few laughs as they explore how to capture inspiration, refine your ideas, and move beyond cliché Christian titles. Plus, they dive into the importance of pre-writing, journaling, and getting real feedback on your work.   If you've ever stared at a blank page wondering where to start—or felt stuck using the same tired phrases—this episode will equip you with practical tools to level up your songwriting from the very first line.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why titles and hooks are the foundation of great songs The power of keeping a title list and collecting song seeds How to avoid overused Christian phrases and write with originality The importance of pre-writing and journaling to develop your ideas Why rewriting and coaching are essential to growth Real-world tips from Bryant's band Eauclaire and NCS artists   Key Moments: [02:00] – Launching June's focus: killer ideas and unforgettable titles [02:30] – How Bryant's new single You Me the Kids (YMtK) got its hook [06:00] – The challenge of writing original Christian lyrics [07:00] – Pat Barrett's "Happily Hidden" and why unique hooks matter [09:30] – How to collect titles & why great writers are always listening [12:50] – What to do when your hook already exists in another song [15:00] – The myth of the fully formed download: why pre-writing matters [20:30] – Capturing your best ideas in moments of clarity and stillness [25:00] – Why writing 1,000 songs won't help—unless you learn to write well [29:00] – Coaching, feedback, and why your favorite lyric may need work [31:30] – Journaling your ideas and identifying the emotional takeaway   Resources & Links: Listen to Eauclaire's new single "You Me the Kids"  https://lnk.to/e-YouMetheKids   Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!