Spirituality in Leadership

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn welcomes Katie Sutton, an intuitive channel, energy medicine healer, and founder of the Zen Within Academy. Based in Charlotte, NC, Katie works at the intersection of personal healing and business leadership, helping entrepreneurs and corporate leaders understand how their energy fields and the unhealed patterns within them directly shape the health and success of their organizations.Katie shares her own story of rising quickly through the corporate ranks only to crash into burnout and chronic illness. That experience led her to three and a half years of intensive training in energy healing, where she discovered that the same patterns of overwork, people-pleasing, and seeking validation that fueled her corporate success were also making her sick and that they didn’t disappear when she left.This episode is for any leader who has ever felt that something beneath the surface is holding them back and who is ready to look at that something with curiosity, courage, and practical tools for change.Tune in to discover how your inner world is shaping your leadership and what you can do to shift it.In This Episode:[00:00] How childhood experiences impact leadership and visibility[01:48] Introduction to Katie Sutton and her work[03:50] From corporate burnout to energy healing[07:15] What it means to “heal” a business[10:15] How personal patterns affect business growth[16:40] Learning to work with energy and intuition[18:48] Why this work is practical, not abstract[20:03] Is corporate culture inherently toxic?[26:34] Masculine vs. feminine energy in leadership[29:03] Why men often resist emotional awareness[30:37] Emotional intelligence and leadership presence[32:40] Trust, safety, and intuitive leadership[34:54] Where to learn more: resources and Katie’s workResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Katie SuttonWebsite: https://zenwithinacademy.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiesutton/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ZenWithinAcademyCourses: Energy hygiene, relationship healing, business energyAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In the high-pressure world of medicine, even the most accomplished doctors can face exhaustion, self-doubt, and burnout. Yet what if the same tools that restore resilience and clarity could transform the way we lead, care for others, and live fully?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Assaad Mounzer, a retired urologist, mindfulness teacher, and coach who now helps individuals and groups move from burnout to engagement through mindfulness and self-awareness. Drawing from decades in medicine and his own personal journey across cultures and careers, Assaad shares how his understanding of healing expanded beyond procedures and prescriptions.At the heart of the conversation is Assaad’s practical framework for living and leading with intention: the four keys of mindfulness, including attention, values, wisdom, and an open heart. Together, these principles offer a path toward greater resilience, emotional balance, and authentic leadership.This episode explores the intersection of healing, self-awareness, and leadership, reminding us that true leadership begins with how we care for ourselves and how we show up for others.Tune in to discover how mindfulness, compassion, and intentional living can transform both leadership and wellbeing.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction to mindfulness and values[01:34] Introduction to  Assaad Mounzer[03:26] Assaad’s journey from Lebanon to the U.S.[07:26] Early medical practice and cultural influence[08:42] Introduction to spirituality and healing[11:41] Integrating spirituality into medical practice[15:40] Burnout, writing the book, and discovering mindfulness[18:56] The four keys of mindfulness[23:39] Neuroplasticity and practicing values[25:06] Wisdom and the open heart[27:33] Spirituality, medicine, and leadership[32:40] Current work: retreats, workshops, and coaching[34:29] Addressing grief and deep healing[37:49] How to learn more and connect[39:04] Closing remarks and podcast outroResources and LinksResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership PodcastDr. Assaad MounzerWebsiteLinkedInEmailBookAndrew CohnWebsiteLinkedInMusic: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

How do leaders actually grow, not just in what they do, but in how they respond to life? And where do they learn that they have a choice in those responses in the first place?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Carolyn Taylor, a globally recognized authority on organizational culture and leadership transformation. As the author of Walking the Talk: Building a Culture for Success and Accountability at Work and founder of Walking the Talk, Carolyn brings over four decades of experience helping leaders and organizations create meaningful, lasting change.Together, they explore the profound intersection of spirituality and leadership, uncovering what it truly means to grow from the inside out. Carolyn challenges the traditional view of leadership as purely results-driven, emphasizing instead the importance of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity in how leaders show up and respond to life.Drawing from her own journey, she traces the evolution of leadership from external performance to internal alignment. At the core of the conversation is a powerful mindset shift, from feeling like life is happening to you, to recognizing your ability to consciously choose your response.Carolyn also introduces a simple yet transformative model of growth, moving from a limited mindset rooted in scarcity and reactivity to a liberated state of ownership and confidence, and ultimately to a limitless way of being grounded in trust, flow, and humility.This episode offers a thoughtful and practical exploration of conscious leadership, reminding us that the most impactful leadership begins within and expands outward into how we lead, live, and connect with others.Tune in to discover how shifting your inner world can transform the way you lead, live, and connect.Key TakeawaysGrowth Is About How You Respond: Leadership maturity comes from choosing more effective responses, not just reacting to circumstances.Move from Victim to Ownership: Shifting from “life happens to me” to “I can influence outcomes” changes everything.Language Shapes Mindset: Small changes in how we explain situations reveal whether we take responsibility or avoid it.From Limited to Limitless: True growth involves letting go of limiting beliefs and stepping into a more expansive way of thinking and leading.Self-Awareness Drives Leadership: The willingness to reflect, seek feedback, and challenge your own patterns is essential for growth.Authenticity Is the Foundation: Leadership becomes more powerful when it comes from a place of honesty, values, and inner alignment.In This Episode:[00:01] How leaders grow through their responses to life[01:51] Introduction to Carolyn Taylor[03:47] The link between spirituality and authentic leadership[05:23] How leadership expectations have evolved over time[06:35] From individual growth to culture change at scale[11:07] Why workplaces teach what life often doesn’t[19:39] The power of ownership and accountability[23:17] Defining spirituality through authenticity and values[27:17] Listening, ego, and respect in leadership[31:55] Behaviors that reflect true self-confidence[34:48] Moving from stress to optimism[37:00] Expanding perspective and long-term thinking[42:11] The role of reflection and meditation[42:44] Carolyn’s books and resourcesResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Carolyn TaylorWebsite: https://carolyntaylorculture.com/The Growth Option: https://thegrowthoption.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolyntaylorculture/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@carolyntaylor-culture8733Books: https://carolyntaylorculture.com/carolyn-taylor-books/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Most meetings begin with urgency. People arrive distracted, carrying the residue of the last conversation and already thinking about the next one. But what if leadership started with something different, a moment to arrive, breathe, and truly listen?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Craig Souza to explore how mindfulness, presence, and deep listening can transform the way leaders show up at work. Craig is the president of the Conscious Leadership Guild, a former enterprise sales leader at HP, and a mindfulness teacher who has spent years helping leaders integrate awareness and emotional intelligence into everyday leadership.Craig shares how his journey into spirituality began unexpectedly through recovery and later evolved into bringing mindfulness practices into corporate environments. What began as a side interest eventually became a powerful way to help teams connect more deeply, communicate more effectively, and create healthier workplace cultures.Throughout the conversation, Craig introduces simple practices leaders can use immediately, from beginning meetings with a minute of presence to practicing mindful listening. These small shifts create space for deeper understanding, stronger relationships, and more thoughtful decision-making.The discussion also explores Craig’s work with the Conscious Leadership Guild, a community of leaders committed to personal growth and responsible leadership. At its heart, conscious leadership begins with inner work. It involves recognizing how we show up in the world and taking responsibility for our impact.This episode offers practical ways leaders can bring mindfulness and humanity into everyday interactions and discover how powerful true listening can be.Key TakeawaysStart With Presence: Beginning meetings with a brief pause or breath helps people transition from busyness into focused attention.Mindful Listening Builds Trust: When leaders truly listen without interrupting or solving, people feel seen and heard.Small Practices Create Big Change: Simple habits like three mindful breaths can shift the tone of conversations and decisions.Bring Your Whole Self to Work: Leadership becomes more authentic when we stop separating who we are at work from who we are in life.Leadership Begins With Inner Work: Conscious leadership starts by taking responsibility for how we show up and how our presence affects others.Listening Is a Leadership Skill: Structured listening practices reveal insights and emotions that often remain hidden in normal conversations.Resources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Craig SouzaWebsite: https://businessawakens.comMedium: https://medium.com/@craigsouzaLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/souzacraig/Conscious Leadership Guild: consciousleadershipguild.orgAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

How often do we pause to ask ourselves, “Who am I?” or notice where our focus really is before making a choice? Can we find purpose not as a destination but as a gentle unfolding, and recognize that real power lies not in control, but in the ability to choose again and again?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Russell Bishop to explore the intersection of leadership, personal transformation, and choice. Russell is a veteran leader in personal and organizational development, creator of Insight Seminars, and author of Workarounds That Work and From Self-Talk to Soul Talk. His work has impacted over a million people across 43 countries, guiding leaders and teams toward clarity, alignment, and purpose. Rather than pushing for dramatic change, he invites leaders to consider something subtler and more powerful: alignment with purpose.Together, they unpack the difference between decisions and choices, between chasing outcomes and understanding the experience we’re truly seeking. Russell offers compelling examples from aerospace, healthcare, and corporate strategy to show how clarity of purpose unlocks creativity, collaboration, and momentum, often in places where progress once felt impossible.At the heart of the episode is a simple but radical idea: real power comes from recognizing our ability to choose and choose again. When leaders learn to listen beyond self-talk and tune into what Russell calls “soul talk,” they create space for wiser action, deeper connection, and more humane organizations.This episode is an invitation to slow down, ask better questions, and lead from a place that’s both grounded and awake.Key TakeawaysAwakening is gentle: Lasting transformation and purpose emerge through inquiry by asking “Why does this matter?” not force or being told to wake up.Choice Over Decision: Decisions often close doors; choices keep possibilities alive.You are a transceiver: We constantly transmit and receive thoughts. The frequency with which we hold onto safety, possibility, or fear shapes teams and outcomes.Self-Talk vs. Soul Talk: The loud inner voice reacts from fear, while the quieter voice leads from wisdom and alignment.Reward the complainer: Complaints signal care. Inviting and rewarding constructive criticism turns resistance into innovation.In This Episode:[00:00] Awakening and purpose[01:32] Guest introduction: Russell Bishop[02:53] Conversation setup and welcome[04:01] Russell’s spiritual and activist background[06:05] Self-talk vs. soul talk[09:10] Awakening heart and transformation[10:16] Personal to professional: consulting journey[15:39] Purpose and fulfillment in modern times[16:39] The five whys and deepening purpose[17:57] Focus, choice, and empowerment[21:22] Decision vs. choice[23:20] Attachment to decisions and organizational behavior[30:12] Leadership, orders, and redefining success[31:14] Knowing when to quit: decision-making lessons[32:15] Medical device partnership case study[36:26] Fear vs. possibility and focus[38:44] Tuning in: the power of focus and preparation[44:02] Inner process and leadership support[45:20] Seeing the invisible: inner vision and leadership[48:49] Best practices and culture[50:34] Call center encouraging contributions and rewarding complaints[52:32] How to connect with RussellResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Russell BishopWebsite: https://www.russellbishop.comLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellbishop1Email: [email protected]'s Latest Book: From Self-Talk to Soul Talk: Being More of Who You Already AreRussell's Previous Book: Workarounds That WorkAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Imagine a young boy with cerebral palsy, limping into summer camp, quietly asking a teenage counselor to teach him how to tie his shoes, not because he couldn’t learn, but because he craved twenty minutes of undivided, caring attention from an adult who truly saw him. That small act of vulnerability sparked a lifelong mission for Stu Semigran, co-founder of the EduCare Foundation, to create spaces where every child, and every person, feels honored, valued, and capable of extraordinary growth.In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn reconnects with Stu Semigran to explore how love, compassion, and practical “Heartset®” principles can transform education, organizations, and leadership itself. Over 35 years, EduCare has reached hundreds of thousands of students, especially in underserved communities, proving that when cultures of kindness, listening, and forgiveness flourish, both academic results and personal fulfillment thrive.Stu shares his journey from a rebellious young teacher to nonprofit leader, illustrating how seeing the best in others, even when they cannot see it themselves, creates the Pygmalion Effect in real time. The conversation explores the eight Heartset skills: honoring, praising, heart-centered listening, choice, forgiveness, conflict resolution, turning challenges into opportunities, and service, showing how these timeless practices bridge spirituality and high-accountability environments naturally and effectively.This episode offers educators, leaders, and anyone seeking more heart in high-stakes settings both inspiration and actionable wisdom.Key TakeawaysAuthentic care and kindness create environments where learning thrives; people respond deeply when they feel seen and valued.Shift from cognitive growth to a "growth heartset" through eight skills: honoring, praising/encouraging, listening from the heart, power of choice, forgiveness, resolving conflict, using challenges as opportunities, and giving/receiving service.Believing in others’ potential helps them rise, shown by gains in test scores and graduations.Letting go of judgments frees energy for growth; it’s not excusing harm but releasing its lasting poison.Honest feedback, celebrating wins, and building trust turn organizations into learning cultures.Nurturing heart-centered skills helps youth grow into compassionate, courageous leaders, creating lasting hope and impact.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction[01:36] Meet Stu Semigran, co-founder of the Educare Foundation[03:40] Stu’s story and his connection to spirituality in leadership[05:58] Growth and impact of Educare Foundation[06:31] Philosophy of education: curiosity and individuality[07:37] Serving underserved students and changing perceptions[09:57] Building a culture of caring and kindness in classrooms[12:03] Leadership in education and organizations[13:15] Being vs. doing in leadership[15:18] Stu’s spiritual framework and the principles that inform his work[23:30] The power of vulnerability and asking for help[25:26] Letting go and empowering others[27:19] The intersection of love and accountability in education leadership[29:52] Celebrating success and positive feedback[35:14] Defining forgiveness and letting go of judgments[37:21] Conflict resolution and the four truths[38:08] Service, giving, and the cycle of heart set skills[41:18] Youth leadership and service in action[43:28] Stu’s contact information Resources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Stu Semigranhttps://www.amazon.com/Heartset-Education-Way-Living-Learning/dp/1735913030www.educarefoundation.comwww.greatergood.berkeley.eduwww.afterschoolalliance.orgAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Did you know that being truly present can impact your surroundings as much as an athlete's performance on the field? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with longtime friend, colleague, and leadership coach Stephen McGhee for a conversation about presence, wisdom, and leading from the inside out. Rather than offering formulas or techniques, Stephen shares a way of being, one rooted in listening, humility, and what he calls “keeping altitude.”The conversation explores how spirituality shows up in leadership without being imposed through language or labels. Stephen introduces his idea of a “ladder of consciousness,” where service and love sit at the highest rungs, and explains why leaders do more good when they resist inflicting their own beliefs and instead stay curious about how others experience meaning and integrity.A central theme is presence. Stephen reflects on how presence itself “pays,” not as a transaction, but because whatever we carry emotionally and spiritually gets transmitted into rooms, relationships, and decisions. Leaders, he suggests, shape outcomes simply by how present, grounded, and authentic they are.Stephen also shares his personal experience of losing his home in the Pacific Palisades fires. He speaks candidly about grief, rejecting “toxic positivity,” and honoring the importance of process, allowing pain, meaning, and gratitude to unfold in their own time. Through this story, the principles of presence, listening, and acceptance become real and lived.If you've faced unexpected hardship or seek ways to integrate spirituality practically into leadership and life, this episode is a must-listen.Key TakeawaysPresence Pays: Authentic presence transmits energy and value; it's contagious and foundational to effective leadership and relationships.Avoid Inflicting Language: Honor others' spirituality without imposing your own vernacular, keep "altitude" for genuine connection.Listening as Mastery: True listening includes content, context, and inner self-awareness to respond freshly, not reactively.Process Over Bypass: Grieve fully and avoid toxic positivity; proper processing turns pain into learning and strength.Use Everything for Advancement: Cooperate with what is, accept without judgment, and trust that challenges contribute to soul growth.Gratitude in the Present: Life's impermanence awakens deeper appreciation for moments, relationships, and unfolding grace.In This Episode:[00:00] Opening on spiritual guidance and not inflicting language[00:29] The ladder of consciousness and keeping altitude[02:38] How Andrew and Stephen met; shared spiritual community[04:16] Stephen's corporate roots and shift to soul-aligned leadership[07:34] Practical principles for inclusive spiritual conversations[10:34] Presence pays and what that really means[12:27] Authenticity in presence; impact on others[14:18] Getting present before conversations[15:41] The power of deep listening (content, context, inner)[18:18] Avoiding labels and prejudice for better connection[21:41] The Palisades Fire: Evacuation and immediate aftermath[23:56] Toxic positivity vs. healthy processing[26:44] Acceptance, grieving, and timing[28:30] Returning to the site; small victories amid loss[30:38] A profound sunset experience from the ashes[35:38] Where to find Stephen's workResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Stephen McGheehttps://www.mcgheeleadership.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmcgheeleadership/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Rodney King, philosophical coach, former martial arts practitioner, global educator, and scholar to delve into meaning, leadership, and what it really takes to live well. Rodney shares his extraordinary journey, from growing up in poverty in Johannesburg and surviving a violent environment, to becoming a globally respected martial arts teacher, and ultimately facing a life-altering health crisis that forced him to rethink everything.Rodney reflects on how martial arts first became a way to survive, then a profession, and eventually a doorway into something much deeper–philosophy as a lived practice. After decades of physical training, travel, and high performance, a diagnosis of CTE-like symptoms brought his fighting career to an abrupt halt. What could have been the end instead became a turning point. Through philosophy, solitude, and reconnecting with nature, Rodney began to ask different questions, not “How do I push harder?” but “What is the meaning of this moment?”Together, Andrew and Rodney delve into how modern culture’s obsession with speed, optimization, and productivity often pulls us away from our inner wisdom. Rodney challenges listeners to do the opposite of what the modern world demands, slow down, embrace unstructured time, and rediscover awe in everyday moments. From walking without a destination to simply being bored, these “unoptimized” practices become gateways to clarity, creativity, and healing.This episode is a thoughtful invitation to leaders, and all of us, to rethink success, listen more deeply, and reconnect with what truly matters. It’s not about having all the answers, but about learning to ask better questions and creating space for wisdom to emerge.Key TakeawaysFrom Toughness to Wisdom: Early survival instincts may build strength, but true leadership requires reflection, meaning, and inner authority.Crisis as Initiation: Health breakdowns and life disruptions can serve as powerful invitations back to purpose and authenticity.Philosophy as a Lived Practice: Philosophy is not theory. It is a way of engaging life, suffering, and leadership with depth and clarity.Doing the Opposite: Many leadership and wellbeing challenges are eased by resisting hustle culture and embracing slowness, patience, and presence.Asking Better Questions: Transformation begins not with answers but with reframing the questions we ask ourselves.Unoptimized Time Matters: Solitude, boredom, awe, and walking without goals create space for wisdom and creativity to emerge.Environment Shapes Behavior: Much modern anxiety and burnout stem from environments misaligned with human nature.In This Episode:[00:00] Opening reflections and Rodney’s early realization about toughness[01:24] Introduction to Dr. Rodney King and his global journey[04:11] Growing up in poverty and discovering martial arts[08:18] Military service and early leadership formation[09:58] Building a global martial arts practice[12:34] Health crisis, CTE-like symptoms, and identity collapse[15:01] Recovery, reflection, and returning to philosophy[17:36] Philosophy, martial arts, and the hero’s journey[23:24] Coaching through questions rather than answers[27:28] Meaning-making during crisis[31:08] Nature, solitude, and unoptimized practices[36:00] Awe, walking, and embodied wisdom[41:30] Modern culture, burnout[44:47] Doing the opposite as a leadership rebellion[50:52] Rodney’s work, resources, and closing reflectionsResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Rodney Kinghttps://www.linkedin.com/in/coachrodneyking/https://www.coachingphilosophia.orghttps://www.coachingphilosophia.lifeAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What’s the right way to bring spirituality into workplace conversations when everyone comes from different cultures and comfort levels? Is culture really the problem, or is it more about our ability to adapt and communicate in ways people can genuinely receive? And what about leaders who make tough decisions from a spiritual place, like keeping a 50-year-old who may never find another job while letting go of younger employees who can recover quickly–and even supporting them in finding new roles?In this episode, Andrew Cohn speaks with William Miller, co-founder of Values Centered Innovation and long-time explorer of the intersection between spirituality, creativity, and corporate leadership. Miller traces his journey back to a pivotal moment in the 1980s when mystical literature unexpectedly illuminated his work in innovation. That spark, he explains, revealed spirituality, business, and creativity as “facets of a single jewel,” a realization that has guided his work for four decades. He describes how ancient wisdom traditions, including the Bhagavad Gita, informed research on what energizes innovation, revealing three universal motivators: intention, connection, and action. These insights helped Miller develop practical models, such as his “creative journey” process, that cultivate psychological safety, courage, and authentic human connection within organizations.The conversation also explores cultural nuances in discussing spirituality at work, stories of leaders who ground tough decisions in compassion, and the shift from profit-first business models toward purpose-driven ones. Miller introduces his current project, Reclaiming the Soul of Leadership, a program that helps leaders explore their spiritual foundations, express them through values-based leadership, and foster communities rooted in wisdom and love. Key TakeawaysSpirituality, innovation, and leadership are deeply interconnected.Psychological safety grows when individuals feel seen and valued beyond their roles.Cultural context shapes how spiritual conversations can be introduced.Compassionate leadership fosters trust and can drive organizational transformation.Business is shifting from shareholder value to a broader focus on stakeholder wellbeing.Spiritual leadership comes from responding with calm rather than reacting from fear.True leadership development begins with inner exploration and reconnecting with the soul.In This Episode:[01:26] Introduction to William Miller[03:43] William Miller's journey[04:55] The intersection of spirituality and business[09:03] Implementing spirituality in corporate work[18:56] Cultural perspectives on spiritual conversations[19:07] Spiritual conversations being easier in some cultures compared to others[20:15] Telling the story and the  think, act, innovation process[25:27] The control game and spiritual deficits[26:00] The notion of unconditional love in Christian tradition[27:13] Spirituality’s role in leadership behavior[27:48] Research on spirituality among executives[28:30] Case study: Lars Colon's turnaround at Oticon[32:47] Purpose of business: from shareholder wealth to stakeholder wellbeing[35:38] Making a clear distinction between spirituality and religion[38:09] Reclaiming the soul of leadership[43:55] The spiritual path in leadershipResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406William MillerWebsite: https://consciousleadershipacademy.org/ / https://vci.globalThe Guild website:https://clgleaders.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamcmillervciBook: The Art of Spiritual Leadership in BusinessAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if the key to better leadership wasn't about working harder, but about understanding a deeper, often ignored, inner hunger? What if the stress, reactivity, and burnout so common in leadership are actually symptoms of a spiritual and emotional famine?In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Adrienne Youdim, a weight loss physician and mind-body medicine practitioner, to explore the concept of "inner hunger." Dr. Adrienne argues that beneath the surface of our busy lives and professional ambitions lies a universal hunger for validation, autonomy, respite, and self-compassion. When left unmet, we try to feed these hungers with distractions like overworking, people-pleasing, or perfectionism, leading to a cycle of stress and disconnection.Drawing from her new book, Hungry for More, and her own journey from a high-achieving "white coat" physician to a holistic practitioner, Dr. Adrienne makes a compelling case that leadership requires a foundational practice of self-awareness and self-care. She shares powerful, practical tools—from conscious breathing to body scanning—that literally change our physiology, quiet the noise, and allow us to access the "deep down" wisdom we all possess.This episode is an invitation to pause, recognize your own hungers, and learn how feeding them is not self-indulgent, but essential for clear-headed, intentional, and sustainable leadershipKey TakeawaysThe Second Hunger Beyond physical cravings lies an emotional and spiritual hunger, unmet needs that drive behavior and often lead us away from what we value.Hunger as a Messenger Adrienne encourages leaning in to hunger as information, a signal pointing toward what is missing or neglected.Agency as a Spiritual Practice Personal agency, the ability to direct one’s life, is closely linked to spirituality because it anchors empowerment and meaning.The Power of the Pause Breathing, walking, journaling, and stillness help create space between trigger and reaction, a key to accessing inner wisdom.The Physiology of Stress Chronic stress shuts down clear thinking and creativity. Simple practices like breathwork or body relaxation directly reset the nervous system.Universal Hunger After thousands of patient encounters, Adrienne observed that inner hunger is universal across age, profession, culture, and status.Creating Time for What You Value Time for well-being is not found. It is created. Personal health directly supports professional and relational health.In This Episode:[00:01] Introduction to emotional and spiritual hunger[04:21] Dr. Youdim’s background and upbringing[06:07] Agency, empowerment, and spirituality[09:21] Understanding and redirecting hunger[10:08] Types of hunger and neglecting needs[12:07] Spiritual hunger defined[14:53] Practical barriers to stillness[18:54] Tactics for accessing stillness[20:57] Breathing and physiological regulation[24:28] Stress response and leadership function[28:17] Guided relaxation and body awareness[32:55] Personal story: perfectionism and achievement[36:56] Integrating science, experience, and spirituality[39:19] Time, value, and well-being[41:05] Teachable moments and external triggers[43:25] Conclusion and resourcesResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Dr. Adrienne YoudimWebsite:https://www.dradrienneyoudim.com/Email: [email protected]: Hungry for More: Stories and Science to Inspire Weight Loss from the Inside OutTEDx Talk: Your Hunger is the Key to Understanding Your Unmet NeedsAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if the secret to becoming an unstoppable leader in this chaotic and noisy world wasn’t about pushing harder, but about slowing down long enough to hear that still, small voice inside you? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn chats with Dacia Moore, a transformational speaker, counselor, and former nonprofit executive director who knows firsthand what it means to lead from a place of faith and renewal.Dacia opens up about her journey from the corporate and education worlds into the mental health space, where she found her true calling to help others move from burnout to breakthrough. She also shares insights from her inspiring book From Stuck to Unstoppable, where she guides readers to overcome fear, rediscover purpose, and build the courage to move forward with faith and clarity.Throughout the conversation, Dacia introduces her C.L.E.A.R. framework: Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, and Replace. It’s a practical tool that helps leaders reconnect with who they are, silence the noise, and lead with authenticity. She and Andrew also talk about the value of “margin time,” those quiet, intentional pauses that allow us to step back, reflect, and make wiser decisions.This episode is a heartfelt reminder that leadership isn’t just about doing more. It’s about creating space to listen, grow, and let your inner wisdom lead the way.Key TakeawaysSpiritual Awakening Through Adversity: Dacia’s divorce became the catalyst for her spiritual and professional rebirth, inspiring her to help others navigate pain with faith and purpose.Faith as a North Star: Integrity, consistency, and inner guidance, what she calls listening to the Holy Spirit, are the foundation of resilient leadership.Leadership is an Inside Job: Your internal state, managing burnout, self-doubt, and overwhelm, directly impacts your effectiveness and the well-being of your team.Listen to Your Inner Voice: Whether you call it the Holy Spirit, intuition, or a gut feeling, learning to heed that "still, small voice" is a non-negotiable skill for wise decision-making.The CLEAR Framework: Dacia’s CLEAR framework (Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, Replace) guides leaders to assess where they are, unlearn limiting beliefs, and cultivate habits that align with abundance and authenticity.In This Episode:[00:01] Dacia’s early career in hospitality and sales[00:28] Transition to mental health and education[01:01] Podcast introduction[03:10] Dacia’s leadership background and family influence[04:42] Lessons on leadership styles and personal growth[07:21] Professional journey: retail, hospitality, education, nonprofit[09:05] Entering the mental health nonprofit sector[12:07] Spirituality and integrity in leadership[13:39] Burnout, listening to inner voice, and career transitions[15:50] Inclusivity in spirituality and the inner voice[19:15] Rediscovering self and purpose[21:32] Current work: coaching, consulting, and book[24:28] The journey from stuck to unstoppable[29:00] The CLEAR framework for leadership development[31:57] Resources and ways to connect[33:20] Nonprofit sector challenges and hope[36:16] The importance of discernment and inner wisdom[36:45] Practical spirituality and quieting the mind[38:39] Tactics for breaking out of busyness[41:35] Closing remarks and contact informationResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcast⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406⁠Dacia MooreWebsite:⁠https://www.secondwindcc.com/⁠Personal Site:⁠https://www.daciamoore.com/⁠Newsletter:⁠ https://www.swsnippet.com/⁠LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/daciamooreswcc⁠Book:⁠ From Stuck to Unstoppable⁠Andrew CohnWebsite: ⁠https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/⁠LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/⁠Music: Kodiak: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe⁠

Have you ever walked into a room and instantly felt the energy shift before a single word was spoken? What if leadership isn’t just about what you say or do, but the energy you broadcast every day?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with executive coach Anna Pool to explore the true frequency of leadership and how our internal state quietly shapes every meeting, decision, and connection. Anna’s story is extraordinary. She spent 20 years in an ashram devoted to meditation, yoga, and service before her spiritual community collapsed under the weight of betrayal. That loss became her greatest teacher, leading her from the ashram to the boardroom, where she now helps leaders embody authentic, energetic presence.Together, they unpack Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness and what it reveals about courage, fear, and the “green zone” of leadership, where creativity and clarity thrive. Anna shares how awareness and intention can transform not only your leadership, but the very atmosphere around you.It’s a fascinating look at how to lead with your energy, not just your words, and why what you broadcast matters more than you think.Key TakeawaysYour Energy Precedes You: Leaders are constantly broadcasting an emotional frequency that directly impacts team morale, engagement, and psychological safety.The Map of Consciousness: A visual model for understanding emotional states, from reactive, low-frequency zones (shame, fear, anger) to creative, high-frequency zones (courage, acceptance, love).Courage is the Threshold: Effective, purposeful leadership becomes consistently accessible at the level of "Courage," where we move from reactivity to possibility and choice.Non-Judgmental Self-Awareness is Key: The most critical skill for spiritual and leadership growth is the ability to observe your own state without criticism, creating space for conscious change.Practical Resets Work: Simple interventions like brief guided meditations or "green zone exercises" can quickly shift a group's energy, leading to more productive and insightful outcomes.Executive Presence Reimagined: The elusive quality of "executive presence" is deeply connected to one's ability to broadcast calm, confident, and creative frequencies.In This Episode:[00:01] Anna’s ashram years and early awakening[04:44] What led her to drop out of college and join the community[08:41] Roles and leadership within the ashram[09:51] Marriage, vows, and challenges of communal life[10:49] The scandal that changed everything[12:57] Transitioning from ashram life to professional coaching[16:07] Discovering Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness[20:42] The importance of non-judgmental self-awareness[23:36] Connecting spiritual insight to corporate leadership[24:48] The “green zone” and the courage frequency[30:38] Feeling versus thinking, how emotion drives energy[33:09] How leaders broadcast energy and influence others[36:13] Introducing spirituality in business without alienating teams[38:18] Redefining executive presence through vibrational leadership[41:17] Anna’s book on possibility thinking[42:21] The “green zone” mindfulness exercise[43:31] Why energy work belongs in every leadership toolkit[45:07] Where to find and connect with AnnaResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Anna PoolWebsite:https://executivesavvyinc.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-pool-26a61110/Book: Creating Futures That Matter: Facilitating Change Through Shared VisionAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Referenced David Hawkins — Map of Consciousness ExplainedMusic: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why you think the way you think? Or what drives the choices you make every day in your work, your relationships, your leadership?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Pablo Sillas Domínguez, a human relations executive and author of Heartset. Pablo shares his powerful personal journey from being a successful but workaholic HR director, whom he describes as the "wolf" of his own family, to embarking on a profound spiritual and transformational path.The catalyst for this change was a pivotal question from a coach: "Do you know why you think the way you think?" This launched Pablo on a years-long journey of introspection, unlearning, and integrating his reason with his emotions and intuition. He explains that this personal awakening mirrors a larger societal issue, where a hyper-competitive, ego-driven mindset has led to widespread stress and disconnection.Pablo introduces key concepts from his book, including "field thoughts," (the fusion of feeling and thinking), "charisms," (spiritual gifts), and “meditaction,” (combining meditation with action for the common good). He argues for bringing vulnerability and our whole selves into the workplace, moving from seeing people as disposable resources to recognizing them as indispensable individuals. The conversation offers a practical and aspirational framework for leaders to cultivate purpose, meaning, and healthier organizations.Key TakeawaysFrom ego to essence: Real transformation begins by asking honest questions about why we think and feel the way we do.Three pillars of being: Growth requires balance between reason, emotion, and intuition.The Heartset framework: Shifting from competition to awareness creates space for genuine connection and shared purpose.Unlearning to become: Letting go of old patterns and roles reveals authenticity and freedom.Vulnerability as strength: Honest openness builds empathy, trust, and deeper relationships in the workplace.Field thoughts and tharisms: Spiritual practices that turn personal growth into collective uplift.Meditation in action: True mindfulness lives in behavior, not just reflection.In This Episode:[00:01] Pablo’s awakening and spiritual transformation[03:27] Early career, success, and lessons from overwork[06:45] Realizing the cost of ego-driven ambition[08:15] The question that changed everything[10:01] Learning to feel, listen, and grow through awareness[12:25] The system and cultural conditioning of the ego[14:13] The missing half of human competencies[16:30] The path from ego to self to integration[18:14] Understanding “tharisms” and spiritual gifts[20:47] Unlearning to be yourself[23:10] Living authenticity within corporate systems[25:20] Vulnerability and seniority as mature leadership[28:26] Building trust through empathy[32:10] Introducing “field thoughts” and new paradigms for culture[39:19] Meditation and the call to act with awareness[42:11] Music, food, and creativity as channels for connection[45:12] Where to find Pablo’s book and playlists[46:23] Closing reflectionsResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Pablo Sillas DomínguezWebsite: https://pablosillas.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pablosillas/?locale=en_USBook by Pablo Sillas Domínguez: Heartset: The Renaissance 2.0 of Sapiens and Conscious OrganizationsHeartset: https://a.co/d/2Z0MqN6Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if the key to a longer, healthier, and more successful life isn’t found in a diet or workout plan, but in what you believe, where your faith itself could help you live longer and thrive?In this compelling episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Harold Koenig, a preeminent scholar from Duke University's Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health. With over four decades of research, Dr. Koenig shares powerful, evidence-based insights on the undeniable connection between religious faith and well-being.He reveals how faith, on average, leads to greater happiness, better mental health, and even a longer lifespan by 7-14 years. The mechanisms are clear: faith provides meaning, fosters strong social support, and encourages healthier behaviors. But what about non-believers? Dr. Koenig discusses his book, Spiritual Readiness, explaining that anyone can achieve similar benefits by cultivating a positive belief system, a strong community, and moral habits, though he notes this is often easier within a religious framework.The conversation also explores the practical application of this research in leadership and healthcare, highlighting how faith-inspired leaders often create more inclusive and productive workplaces. This episode is a fascinating look at how nurturing our spiritual core can be a profound asset for personal and professional success.Key TakeawaysFaith and health are scientifically linked: Decades of peer-reviewed research show that religious or spiritual belief correlates with greater happiness, longer life expectancy, and better mental health.Non-believers benefit too: A positive belief system, moral habits, and strong social connections can provide similar health outcomes though sustaining them without a faith tradition can be challenging.Global evidence: Studies in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism consistently reveal similar patterns of improved health and resilience.Healthcare opportunity: Despite overwhelming evidence, most healthcare systems neglect patients’ spiritual needs, though medical schools are slowly integrating this dimension into training.In This Episode:[00:01] Opening remarks and research overview[00:22] Non-believers and health benefits[00;57] Podcast introduction and guest background[03:55] Dr. Koenig’s center and research mission[05:04] Approaching the religion-health connection[06:45] Personal motivation for teaching[07:36] Center’s and personal research objectives[08:19] Most compelling recent research[09:28] Epidemiological evidence and health outcomes[10:03] Mechanisms behind health benefits[11:29] International research and consistency[12:14] Health behaviors among the religious[13:34] Human nature and self-control[15:34] Global interest in spirituality-health research[17:36] Acceptance and accessibility of research[18:11] Resources for further learning[19:23] Spirituality in the workplace[20:22] Religious faith and leadership qualities[21:52] Communicating research to business leaders[22:58] Application in healthcare leadership[25:33] Trends in healthcare spirituality[26:30] Optimism for future integration[27:39] Religion and optimism[29:18] Where to learn more[30:13] Closing remarksResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Dr. Harold KoenigWebsite: https://spiritualityandhealth.duke.edu/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/harold-koenig-5a1544283Books by Dr. Harold Koenig: The Healing Power of Faith, Spiritual Readiness: A Guide for Non-Believers, and Handbook of Religion and Health  (3rd Edition, 2024)Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if the most powerful tool a leader has isn’t a strategy, a speech, or even a brilliant plan, but is instead silence? In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with María José Sánchez, a leadership consultant, executive coach, and author based in Madrid, Spain.During the conversation, María shares her fascinating journey from telecommunications engineer to leadership mentor, showing how she combines her analytical, scientific side with the deeper wisdom of silence and spirituality. She talks about how silence reshaped her leadership style, helping her move from being pushy and results-driven to leading with calm, presence, and authenticity. For her, true leadership impact begins from within, by taking time to pause, reconnect with yourself, and then return to the outside world with clarity, energy, and insight.She also introduces her idea of “spiritual snacks,” short pauses throughout the day to recharge and realign, and her “five-finger rule,” a practical tool for managing thoughts that reminds leaders to take ownership of their inner state, let go of unhelpful thinking, and focus on positivity, resilience, and trust.María highlights her books and her digital leadership platform, Lidero, which offers simple, accessible lessons from her decades of experience. This episode is an inspiring reminder that real leadership always starts from within.Key TakeawaysLeadership impact comes from the inside; silence fosters wisdom, clarity, and presence.Experience precedes understanding; leaders must invite others into experiences, not just explanations.Daily practices of silence, meditation, and “spiritual snacks” keep leaders grounded and energized.Self-discipline is essential for freedom and sustained transformation, much like physical training.Preparation is less about perfect words and more about the state of being a leader brings into the room.True leadership is a virtuous cycle: inner stillness fuels outer effectiveness, which in turn deepens inner growth.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction[01:19] Introduction to María José Sánchez[03:31] María's journey from engineering to leadership[06:41] The power of silence in leadership[10:25] Practical applications of inner wisdom[14:56] Inviting leaders to experience inner wisdom[18:34] Daily practices for inner connection[23:36] The importance of inner state in conversations[24:47] A magical moment with the CEO[26:02] The role of preparation and presence[26:51] Spirituality in leadership[28:33] Self-discipline and daily practice[32:45] Navigating change and uncertainty[35:38] The five finger rule for managing thoughts[39:32] María Jose's books and resources[43:44] Conclusion and final thoughtsResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406María José SánchezWebsite: sanchezyagoo.comLeadership Consultancy: creatingahuman.comLeadership Platform: aceleratolead.comLinkedIn: mariajosesanchezyagoBook shop: https://sanchezyago.com/product-list/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Greg Stebbins, a pioneer in the intersection of spirituality, wisdom, and leadership. With decades of experience as a coach, consultant, and educator, Greg shares the importance of self-inquiry, values alignment, and transcendent leadership—an approach rooted in reflection, presence, and authentic connection.Greg reflects on his upbringing in a military family, his spiritual journey (inspired by his mother, “Swami Mommy”), and his path from sales and consulting to founding his leadership development practice. He emphasizes that true leadership requires ongoing wisdom development, aligning beliefs and values, and uncovering the authentic self beneath ego-driven facades.Together, Andrew and Greg explore how prayer, meditation, and contemplation foster clarity, how leaders can embody presence rather than simply perform it, and why younger generations are demanding congruence between words and actions in business. Their conversation weaves personal stories, practical tools, and deep reflections on what it means to lead from the inside out.Key TakeawaysSpirituality and wisdom are deeply connected, and leadership growth comes from developing inner wisdom.Transcendent leadership goes beyond charisma and relies on authentic presence and self-awareness.Gen Z leaders and employees expect alignment between words and actions, with little tolerance for hypocrisy.Practices like prayer, meditation, and contemplation bring clarity to decision-making, emotions, and vision.A leader’s values shape their organization’s purpose, making values alignment critical for trust and direction.Genuine presence cannot be faked; it emerges naturally from compassion, empathy, and love.In This Episode:[00:01] Historical connection between spirituality and wisdom[01:00] Introducing the podcast and guest[03:39] Greg’s background: military family and spiritual beginnings[07:20] Professional path: sales, consulting, and leadership[10:01] Shifts in business receptivity to spirituality[11:42] Practices for integrating spirituality in leadership[15:49] Wisdom through experience and self-inquiry[19:06] Never-ending wisdom and interpersonal skills[20:34] Defining meditation, contemplation, and prayer[22:30] Values hierarchies and organizational alignment[24:17] Ego vs. authentic self in leadership[25:39] Charisma, presence, and holding space[27:12] Generational learning and leadership evolution[28:43] Ego’s role and command-and-control cultures[29:08] Reconciling military upbringing with spiritual path[33:27] Self-inquiry, self-reflection, and wisdom moments[35:56] Challenges with 360-degree feedback[39:36] Self-awareness and organizational alignment[41:07] Respecting values and purpose in teams[42:48] Closing and contact informationResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Gregg StebbinsPhone contact: (310) 433-5020Website: https://peoplesavvy.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregstebbinsAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of the Spirituality and Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Natalie Byrne, founder of the impact and communications firm, Blank Space. Natalie shares her unique approach to helping brands, philanthropists, and leaders align their values with their work, whether it's launching a foundation, shaping a brand's legacy, or navigating a company through big transitions. Her methodology, “Blank Space,” is all about clearing the noise, getting centered, and building from a place of deep intention and purpose.Natalie and Andrew explore how spirituality, personal alignment, and humanness play a powerful role in leadership today. From her work with global companies to advising families on their philanthropic efforts, Natalie emphasizes the importance of living your legacy every day, not just leaving one behind. The conversation flows with warmth, humor, and authenticity, touching on everything from meditation and embodiment to corporate strategy and systems change. If you’ve ever wondered how your values can fuel your work in meaningful ways, this episode is full of insight.Key TakeawaysBlank Space Is a Leadership Practice: Creating “blank space” means removing the noise, making room for clarity, and allowing alignment and intuition to guide action.Legacy Starts Now: Legacy is not what you leave behind. It’s how you live every day. Whether you’re a parent, philanthropist, or executive, you’re always building it.Alignment Beats Overwhelm: Saying no to what doesn’t align with your values opens up the space to do what matters most with impact and ease.Language Shapes Leadership: Words like “climate change” or “diversity” carry weight. Reframing with inclusivity can unite rather than divide.Leadership Is Human: Congruence across our spiritual practices, business lives, and everyday actions is the future of meaningful leadership.In This Episode:[00:02] Introduction and setting the stage[03:16] Natalie’s path and Blank Space origins[06:39] Leadership and societal impact[08:32] Spirituality, alignment, and everyday practice[11:09] Defining Blank Space[14:23] Blank Space in action and methodology[16:28] Blank Space method: process and application[19:45] Legacy, storytelling, and brand language[21:34] Overcoming resistance and creating alignment[23:26] The power of language and framing[25:12] The role of saying no and strategic focus[28:29] Client examples and impact stories[33:18] Spirituality, values, and inclusive language[36:13] Humanness, nature, and reducing categories[38:02] Opportunity for reflection and kindness[40:25] Alignment, embodiment, and leading with heart[41:21] Closing and where to learn moreResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Natalie ByrneWebsite: https://www.blankspaceworks.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliebyrneAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with world-renowned horseman Warwick Schiller for a deeply personal and profound conversation on transformation, emotional intelligence, and the unexpected teachers in life: horses. Warwick opens up about his journey from high-level competition and the pursuit of external validation to a more grounded, spiritually attuned approach to life and horsemanship. What started as trying to “fix” a talented but quirky horse became a mirror that revealed suppressed emotions, judgmental thinking, and the need for deeper connection with self and others. That turning point led him to therapy, self-inquiry, and eventually, the work of Brené Brown, whose insights on vulnerability and emotional suppression hit him like a lightning bolt.Warwick shares how therapy, vulnerability, and learning to truly “see” rather than judge, whether a horse or a human reshaped not only how he trains, but how he lives. He explores how presence, empathy, and self-awareness create real leadership, both in and out of the arena. If you’ve ever felt that personal growth could come from the most unlikely of places, this episode is for you.Key TakeawaysHorses Mirror Our Inner State: Often, the behavior we’re trying to “fix” in others, horse or human, reflects unresolved energy within ourselves.Presence Over Patience: True leadership comes from being deeply present, not just waiting for a desired outcome.Judgment Undermines Connection: Becoming aware of judgmental thoughts, especially self-judgment, creates space for compassion, clarity, and healing.You Can’t Lead What You Haven’t Met in Yourself: Personal growth and leadership are intimately tied; as we heal ourselves, we lead better.Functional Doesn’t Mean Whole: Like people, some horses appear to perform well but are emotionally shut down. Healing begins with seeing.The Universe Responds to Purity of Intention: True service, offered without expectation, opens unexpected doors.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction and personal realization[00:16] The transformative power of horses[01:00] Introduction to Warwick Schiller[02:38] Warwick Schiller's journey and insights[04:49] The shift from competition to personal growth[08:06] Therapy and emotional awareness[10:15] Impact of therapy on horse training[23:38] Judgmental thoughts and personal growth[35:06] The magic of giving without expectation[39:58] Exploring sensitivity: Horses vs. humans[42:46] Understanding the root cause: The five whys[45:07] Patience vs. presence: Lessons from horses[51:37] Seeing without judgment: A new perspective[01:00:52] The power of purpose: A personal journey[01:10:50] Conclusion: Applying wisdom beyond horsesResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Warwick SchillerWebsite: https://go.warwickschiller.com/online-horse-trainerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/warwick-schiller-23b76968Facebook Fanpage: https://www.facebook.com/Warwickschillerfanpage/Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/WarwickSchillerPerformanceHorsemanship/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/warwickschillerAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this powerful episode, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks, clinical psychologist, executive coach, and host of The Voice of Leadership podcast. With decades of experience, including as an Army psychologist and senior faculty at the Center for Creative Leadership, Dr. Karen shares how deep faith and a spirit of service have shaped her approach to leadership.Karen opens up about her early struggles to integrate spirituality with psychology and how she became a pioneering voice encouraging others to bring their whole selves, including their spiritual dimension, into the workplace. She reflects on the meaning of eldership as witnessing and blessing, and how modeling peace and presence can be more powerful than words.Together, Andrew and Karen explore how spiritual grounding, especially her Christian faith, can support leaders through uncertainty, foster inclusive workplaces, and serve as an anchor in turbulent times. Whether it’s leading through riots, coaching executives one-on-one, or mentoring the next generation, Karen’s presence and perspective offer wisdom for leaders of all kinds.Key TakeawaysLeadership begins with self-leadership. As Karen says, “You are the instrument of your leadership” — and that instrument needs regular tuning.Spirituality adds depth to leadership. Leaders of faith can draw from inner peace, presence, and purpose — even in secular settings.Eldership means modeling, mentoring, and blessing. Being an elder is about showing what’s possible and supporting others on their path.Peace is contagious. A grounded leader sets the emotional tone for an entire organization.Respectful inclusion is essential. Faith-based leadership can be offered with openness and humility, never imposition.We influence more than we know. Whether through family, clients, or peers, our presence creates ripples beyond our awareness.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction to eldership and wisdom[01:06] Welcome to the podcast[01:41] Introducing Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks[05:13] Dr. Karen's journey in psychology and spirituality[06:14] Challenges in combining psychology and spirituality[09:55] The role of elders in different cultures[12:59] The importance of role models[17:20] Spirituality in leadership[18:34] Integrating faith in professional settings[23:57] Leveraging faith to lead with peace[25:44] The CEO's influence on organizational peace[26:14] Finding personal peace in leadership[27:13] Jesus as a model for peaceful leadership[28:03] Modeling peace in the workplace[29:26] The impact of faith on leadership[33:08] Changes in workplace spirituality[39:30] Balancing faith and inclusivity in leadership[40:49] Practical examples of faith in leadership[44:42] Conclusion and resourcesResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Dr. Karen Wilson-StarksPodcast: The Voice of LeadershipWebsite: https://transleadership.com/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbX0XrG1TknGthurUMnFXdAEmail: [email protected]: Lead Yourself First: The Senior Leader’s Guide to Engaging Your People for Greater Performance and ImpactAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this eye-opening episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn is joined by Bond Snodgrass—banker, sustainability entrepreneur, and creator of Awakened Economics—for a rich conversation about reimagining how we lead, measure success, and shape the systems we live in.Bond shares his personal journey from the high-stakes world of global finance to a deeper spiritual awakening sparked by a health crisis. That turning point led him to question the economic assumptions we take for granted—especially the idea that growth always equals progress. Together, Bond and Andrew explore how leaders can bring more consciousness into business—without sacrificing performance.From ESG investing and stakeholder capitalism to redefining what we even mean by “value,” this episode offers bold ideas and grounded insights for leaders who want to build organizations that serve both people and the planet. It’s part vision, part toolkit—and all heart.Ready to rethink what leadership and economics can be? Hit play and join the conversation.And don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode that challenges, inspires, and uplifts your leadership journey. Key TakeawaysSpirituality in business is possible: High-consciousness leadership doesn’t negate profitability—it deepens responsibility.Stakeholder capitalism expands the definition of who matters in business beyond shareholders to include employees, communities, and the planet.Sustainability is multidimensional: It encompasses economic viability, social responsibility, and environmental stewardship.Young professionals care: Gen Z and Millennials are driving demand for purpose-driven companies and ESG transparency.Economics can evolve: Bond’s “awakened definition” of economics centers on interdependence, service, and sustainable well-being—replacing outdated models of infinite self-interest.Progress, not perfection: Even small commitments to sustainability or spiritual values by leaders can make meaningful shifts.In This Episode:[00:00:01] Bond’s spiritual awakening and health crisis[00:00:52] Introduction to the podcast and guest[00:03:57] Bond’s career journey and spirituality[00:07:04] The genesis of awakened economics[00:08:24] High consciousness in business[00:09:31] Defining spirituality and connection[00:10:39] Applying spirituality to business and sustainability[00:11:38] Community and the conscious business movement[00:13:01] Shareholder vs. stakeholder capitalism[00:14:22] Three pillars of sustainability[00:16:18] Defining sustainability and its origins[00:17:52] Theoretical vs. practical impact for leaders[00:19:08] Progress and CEO commitment[00:20:55] ESG reporting and market demand[00:23:10] Growth and pushback in ESG investing[00:25:04] Complexity and lack of standards in sustainability[00:26:53] Challenges for corporations in sustainability[00:27:56] Responding to business leader skepticism[00:30:13] Benefits of sustainability for business[00:32:42] Sustainable finance and green bonds[00:32:56] Regional differences in sustainability practices[00:35:26] Trends and the future of sustainability[00:37:09] Challenges in ESG implementation[00:38:15] Political pushback and communication issues[00:39:30] Economic benefits of sustainability initiatives[00:41:26] Introduction to awakened economics[00:41:33] Critique of neoclassical economics[00:44:06] Proposing a conscious economic model[00:46:25] Awakened definition of economics[00:49:41] Resources and closingResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Bond SnodgrassLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bond-snodgrass-99274932/enAwakened Economics: https://awakenedeconomics.substack.com/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Rebecca Wilson, executive coach, mindfulness teacher, and founder of Arborvida, an organization dedicated to helping leaders cultivate self-awareness, purpose, and conscious leadership from the inside out.Together, they explore what happens when leaders slow down, cut through the noise, and reconnect with their deeper sense of meaning. Andrew and Rebecca dive into why leadership is ultimately an inner journey and how greater self-awareness, intention, and presence can transform the way we lead, make decisions, and show up for others.They also unpack real challenges leaders face, like burnout, overwhelm, and the constant pressure to “do more,” while offering practical tools to lead with clarity, impact, and fulfillment, whether it’s honoring silence in meetings, setting clear intentions, or creating space for reflection.Rebecca also shares details about her latest initiative, The Conscious Leaders Collective – a peer-driven community supporting mindful, purpose-driven leaders navigating today’s fast-paced, high-pressure environments.If you’re a leader looking to expand your impact, avoid burnout, and lead with more presence, this episode offers valuable insights and inspiration for the journey.Key TakeawaysLeadership is an inside job. True leadership starts with self-awareness, reflection, and intentional action.Quiet the noise to hear your inner compass. Slowing down reveals the subtle insights that guide purpose-driven leadership.Small practices create big shifts. Moments of silence, pausing to set intentions, and simple reflective questions help leaders reconnect with what matters.Leaders shape culture through energy, not just words. How you show up impacts your team as much as what you say or do.Spirituality in leadership is human, not hierarchical. It’s about connection, fulfillment, and meaning, not religion or exclusion.Community matters. Peer-to-peer spaces for reflection help leaders stay anchored in their values and purpose.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction to the invitational approach[00:39] Value of language in spiritual development[01:19] Podcast introduction and guest background[03:00] Rebecca’s journey into spirituality and leadership[03:42] Challenges of spiritual language in the workplace[06:05] Rebecca’s coaching approach and client resonance[08:14] Practicality and inclusivity in coaching[09:27] Examples of coaching work and client challenges[12:34] Case study: burnout and reconnection[17:40] Depth and root causes in coaching[18:13] Encouraging leaders to foster deeper conversations[19:14] Embodiment and leading by example[20:37] Simple practices for leaders: silence and questions[23:30] Intention setting in leadership[27:12] Self-awareness and flexibility in leadership[30:12] Rebecca’s coaching model and peer groups[33:18] Sustaining growth through community[35:00] Finding Rebecca and final reflections[36:40] Closing remarks and podcast outroResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Rebecca WilsonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccawilsoncoachingArborvida : https://www.arborvida.com/The Conscious Leaders Collective: https://www.arborvida.com/the-collectiveAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What does it mean to lead with both purpose and integrity in a world that often separates the spiritual from the professional?In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with John Mitchell, a leadership development consultant, coach, and fellow "recovering lawyer," to explore the intersection of spirituality, faith, and effective leadership. John shares his unique journey—from growing up in a military family with broad exposure to diverse faiths, to his current work helping leaders align their actions with their deepest values.  The conversation explores the challenges of congruence—ensuring one’s behavior aligns with one's stated beliefs—and the importance of interconnectedness as a guiding principle in leadership. John offers practical insights for leaders across sectors, from corporate executives to faith leaders, on how to navigate hypocrisy, foster inclusivity, and make decisions rooted in integrity.  Whether you're a corporate executive, faith leader, or purpose-driven professional, this episode offers powerful, practical wisdom on navigating ethical dilemmas, embracing inclusivity, and making value-aligned decisions in complex environments. Listen now to discover how spirituality can be a strength—not a side note—in leadership. Key TakeawaysFaith and spirituality aren’t the same—but often overlap.Congruence matters. Leadership credibility stems from living your values consistently, not just preaching them.Leaders need mirrors. Coaches can help by reflecting back a leader’s own values—especially during moments of self-doubt or hubris.The best leaders check themselves. High-integrity leaders actively ask, “Are my actions aligned with my beliefs?”Inclusiveness grows from spiritual awareness. A belief in interconnectedness leads to more inclusive and effective leadership.Discernment is not judgment. Leaders must evaluate situations with clarity without falling into prejudice or rigidity.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction: Faith vs. spirituality[03:00] John’s childhood, military upbringing, and multifaith exposure[06:00] Spirituality through the lens of connection and nature[10:00] Diversity, integration, and spiritual evolution[13:00] Coaching faith leaders and guiding them through their own frameworks[18:00] The danger of ego and the pedestal problem[24:00] Leading with integrity—lessons from a transportation executive[30:00] Self-checks and internal congruence as a leadership discipline[36:00] Discernment vs. judgment in decision-making[39:00] Leadership in law firms and the challenge of tough decisions[41:00] Closing reflections and where to find John onlineResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406John MitchellLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thepurplecoachAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Allison Schultz, coach, writer, and co-founder of Reboot—to explore a deeper, more human-centered approach to leadership.At Reboot, coaching goes beyond developing managerial skills. It’s about transformation—helping leaders access their full humanity through radical self-inquiry, embodied presence, and spiritual integration.Drawing from her rich background, including a master’s in Religious Studies, a lifelong bond with horses, and her new book The Art of Being Human at Work,  Ali shares candid stories and powerful insights. She speaks openly about how childhood emotional invisibility and early discomfort with corporate norms shaped her path. Her connection with horses, which she describes as a sacred devotional practice, has deeply informed her understanding of relational intelligence and inner work.Together, Andrew and Ali explore how spirituality, shadow work, and embodiment can shift the very foundation of how we lead and show up in the workplace.Key TakeawaysThe connection between early family dynamics and later leadership patternsWhy Religious Studies offers a surprisingly practical lens for coachingHow horses taught Ali the power of presence, embodiment, and devotionThe sacred importance of shadow work in leadership developmentWhy “making peace with your shadows” is foundational to authentic leadershipHow The Art of Being Human at Work bridges spiritual depth with professional growthThe impact of edited spiritual traditions—and what was left outHow journaling and reflection support sustained leadership growthLeadership as a relational and inner-development practice—not performanceIn This Episode:[00:00] Opening reflections on coaching and religious studies[01:05] Meet Ali Schultz: co-founder of Reboot and horsewoman-philosopher[03:48] Her early tension with work and the seeds of integration[07:53] The practicality of a Religious Studies degree for coaching[11:20] Horses and embodiment: a devotional relationship[15:25] Growing up emotionally unseen—and being witnessed by animals[18:45] Do coaches talk enough about religion and meaning?[22:23] Turning blog essays into a leadership wisdom book[24:37] Parker Palmer quote + spiritual wisdom in the workplace[26:52] How to use the book + journaling for integration[28:44] Reboot's approach to coaching and shadow work[33:55] The sacred act of holding space as a coach[36:59] Where to learn more: Reboot.io and beyond Resources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Allison SchultzWebsite:             https://www.reboot.io/Book:             The Art of Being Human at WorkLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alschultzAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn is joined by Dr. Erika Kleestorfer, a seasoned leadership consultant and executive coach. With over two decades of experience in corporate leadership development, Dr. Kleestorfer offers invaluable insights into the intersection of spirituality and leadership. She shares her unique perspective on how understanding one’s essence, core values, and inner light can help leaders navigate challenges and inspire teams to thrive.Drawing on her extensive experience working with global organizations including IBM, Dr. Kleestorfer explains how spirituality in leadership is not just a concept, but a practice that enhances business success, team cohesion, and individual fulfillment. From creating a safe space for emotional growth to utilizing frameworks like the PERMA model, this episode provides both spiritual wisdom and practical tools for leaders at all levels.Key TakeawaysHow understanding your true essence as a leader can transform your team and organizationThe importance of asking deep, reflective questions to uncover core values and beliefsHow to cultivate trust and emotional safety within teams to foster open and honest conversationsThe connection between root cause analysis and spiritual leadership in navigating complex challengesWhy the PERMA model is essential in fostering positive workplace climates and employee well-beingThe impact of generational shifts on leadership and how younger employees are changing the workplace dynamicsPractical tools for integrating spirituality and leadership to achieve both personal and organizational growthIn This Episode:[00:00] Introduction to Dr. Erika Kleestorfer and her background[03:07] The essence of spirituality in leadership[05:23] Key questions for leaders to ask themselves and their teams[07:46] The connection between emotional intelligence and effective leadership[10:25] How leaders can foster a culture of openness and trust[14:17] The PERMA model and its application in leadership[18:45] Adapting to the changing workforce and generational shifts in leadership[23:10] Practical steps for integrating spirituality into corporate leadership[28:05] Closing thoughts on leadership and spiritual growthResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Dr. Erika KleestorferWebsite: www.kleestorfer.comPodcast: Alles Liebe, Erika – Podcast on SpotifyWorkshop: Transformational Leadership JourneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/erikamariakleestorfer/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

How can one’s personal experiences with life and meaning translate into corporate leadership and a legacy of meaning? In this powerful conversation on the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Steve Hart, educator, leadership coach, musician, and former executive at the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, to explore the deep connection between the human spirit, meaningful work, and adaptive leadership.Steve opens up about a transformative near-death experience that reshaped his entire life, and how that moment of awakening fuels his mission to infuse workplaces with soul, trust, and purpose. Steve brings wisdom, warmth, and clarity from his early days as a special education teacher to leading large-scale cultural shifts in government and nonprofit organizations.You’ll hear about the surprising lessons leadership can take from nature (particularly Zoysia grass!), how reflection becomes a gateway to growth, and why trust is the bedrock of real transformation. Whether you're leading a team or navigating your inner shift, this episode is a blueprint for blending practical leadership with deeper personal truth.Key TakeawaysWhy leadership starts with trust, not tacticsThe “warrior and artist” polarity is one that every great leader must balanceSteve’s near-death experience and how it sparked a lifelong transformationHow to lead organizational culture shifts with empathy and visionWhat quantum physics and zoysia grass can teach us about changeThe role of reflection and safe spaces in leadership developmentHow places like Cranaleith Spiritual Center (https://cranaleith.org) offer renewal for leaders and frontline workers alikeIn This Episode:[00:00] Introduction and near-death experience[00:14] Leadership foundations in special education[00:34] Podcast introduction and guest overview[01:09] Steve Hart's leadership journey[03:20] Connecting spirituality and leadership[05:23] Special education insights and leadership[10:20] Transforming leadership at the Federal Reserve[20:21] Personal transformation and near-death experience[27:11] Spiritual experiences and family connections[27:49] Discovering Life After Life[28:14] Introduction to Cran Oleth[28:25] The history and mission of Cranaleith[30:20] Personal reflections and leadership at Cran Oleth[32:58] Connecting spirituality with corporate leadership[42:43] Adaptive leadership and organizational change[48:34] Final thoughts and resourcesResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Steve HartWebsite: https://www.theprofessionaldevelopmentgroup.com/Cranaleith Spiritual Center: https://cranaleith.org/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Gino Peremans, a men’s work expert and leadership coach from Belgium. Gino’s journey is both gripping and inspiring—from a challenging childhood to becoming a mentor for men seeking to break free from societal expectations. He shares how he went from feeling lost and disconnected to creating spaces where men can rediscover their true selves.Gino dives deep into the importance of vulnerability, connection, and building healthy communities of men. He talks about the retreats he leads—transformative experiences where men step away from the pressures of performance and status to embrace their inner lives. But this isn’t just theory; Gino offers practical tools to bring this mindset into your personal and professional life. Whether you’re leading a team, a family, or just yourself, his insights are game-changing.This conversation is for anyone who’s ever felt the weight of pretending to be someone they’re not. Gino’s message is clear: true leadership starts with authenticity. Tune in to discover how you can step into a new kind of strength—one rooted in vulnerability, connection, and your truest self.Key TakeawaysExploration of men's work and healthy masculinityChallenges men face regarding vulnerability and societal expectationsImportance of creating deeper connections and conversations among menPersonal journey and experiences of the guest related to emotional expressionSocietal pressures on men to perform and provideThe concept of brotherhood and support among menImpact of modern distractions, such as social media, on genuine connectionsEstablishing safe spaces for men to share vulnerabilitiesThe role of curiosity and reflection in personal growthThe potential ripple effects of men's work on families and communitiesIn This Episode:[00:00] Introduction to addiction and external validation  [01:09] Meet Gino: background and professional journey  [08:41] Gino's personal journey and struggles  [14:21] The role of vulnerability and brotherhood in men's work  [17:32] Challenges of modern masculinity and distraction  [22:22] Challenges faced by executives and managers  [23:25] The concept of a healthy tribe  [24:28] Building a sense of community  [25:22] Encouraging vulnerability and personal sharing  [29:02] Introducing Gentle Giants[32:15] Practical tools for corporate settings  [35:32] Reconnecting with the body  [38:17] Conclusion and resources Resources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Gino PeremansWebsite: https://www.ginoperemans.com/LinkedIn:https://be.linkedin.com/in/ginoperemansAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Judi Neal, a pioneer in workplace spirituality and the force behind the Tyson Center for Faith and Spirituality and Edgewalkers International. Judi opens up about her personal journey, including her time at Honeywell, where she took a stand as a whistleblower—an experience that reshaped her understanding of integrity, trust, and spiritual resilience.Together, Andrew and Judi explore how spirituality can transform leadership and workplace culture, making organizations more compassionate, ethical, and inclusive. Drawing insights from her books Inspiring Workplace Spirituality, Edgewalkers, and Creating Enlightened Organizations, Judi shares practical ways to integrate faith and spirituality into daily work life—no matter your beliefs.This conversation is for anyone looking to lead with greater purpose, foster a more inclusive workplace, or simply navigate their career with a deeper sense of meaning. Key TakeawaysIntegration of spirituality into leadership and business practicesThe concept of blessings in the workplace and recognizing inherent valuePersonal experiences and stories related to workplace spiritualityThe ethical dilemma faced by a whistleblower and its impact on personal valuesThe importance of aligning personal values with professional responsibilitiesFostering a culture of appreciation, trust, and community in organizationsThe transformative power of spirituality in creating ethical and compassionate work environmentsImpact of spirituality on leadership styles and organizational cultureThe concept of "edge walkers" as individuals bridging material and spiritual worldsMindfulness and self-reflection as tools for effective leadershipAddressing skepticism and resistance to spirituality in professional contextsResources and frameworks for implementing spirituality in organizationsIn This Episode:(00:00:01) Introduction to appreciative inquiry  (00:01:09) Introduction of Judi Neal  (00:03:28) Reading from Inspiring Workplace Spirituality(00:04:48) Moment of silence  (00:06:05) Concept of blessing  (00:07:26) Transforming judgment to blessing  (00:10:07) Impact of workplace negativity  (00:10:52) Appreciative inquiry practice  (00:11:00) Discussion on blessing and religion  (00:12:39) Cultural creative study insights  (00:14:45) Judi's journey into spirituality  (00:15:49) Whistleblower experience at Honeywell  (00:16:51) Moral dilemma in the workplace  (00:20:46) Spiritual awakening  (00:23:24) Consequences of whistleblowing  (00:24:33) Spiritual awakening and connection (00:26:35) Legal action against Honeywell  (00:28:44) Teaching management and tokenism(00:31:10) Common themes among leaders  (00:33:23) Reception of spirituality in the workplace  (00:33:49) Defining religion, spirituality, and faith  (00:35:48) Building bridges between worldviews  (00:39:14) Authenticity and trust in organizations  (00:39:59) Creating space for conversations  (00:41:26) Practices for opening doors to meaning   (00:43:47) Inspirational reading assignments  (00:46:47) Eileen Fisher's personal growth initiative  (00:48:04) Spirituality as a dimension of diversity  (00:51:04) Offering options for spiritual practices  (00:52:04) Gateways to workplace spirituality    (00:57:00) Gratitude and invitation  Resources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership PodcastSpirituality in LeadershipJudi NealLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/judi-neal-99a1027Book:https://www.amazon.com/Inspiring-Workplace-Spirituality-Future-Work/dp/1837536155Book: https://www.amazon.com/Creating-Enlightened-Organizations-Gateways-Spirit/dp/1137335157Book: https://www.amazon.com/Edgewalkers-People-Organizations-Bridges-Ground/dp/0275989208Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if the most effective and fulfilled leaders aren’t just those with the sharpest strategies or the best data, but those who tap into something deeper—something instinctive? Could the true power of leadership lie in embracing intuition, somatic awareness, and the ability to create nurturing environments? What if leadership goes beyond tactics and dives into the realm of self-awareness, authenticity, and inner wisdom?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn and Alicia Rodriguez, a coach and consultant based in the Algarve, Portugal, discuss the profound integration of spirituality in leadership. Alicia shares her expertise on how leaders can cultivate intuition and somatic awareness guiding them through experiential learning in nature and using innovative tools like sound healing and creative exercises. Together, Andrew and Alicia explore how these practices can help leaders not only embody their values but also navigate challenges with greater clarity, confidence, and impact.Alicia reflects on her transformative journey in Ecuador, where she learned from a shaman, and she touches on the insights found in her book, The Shaman’s Wife. Alicia also emphasizes the vital importance of rest, stillness, and creating the right conditions for success, all while inspiring personal and professional transformation.Key Takeaways The significance of intuition and somatic awareness in leadership. The impact of immersing ourselves in nature on developing intuitive abilities. The importance of congruence between a leader's values and actions. The use of experiential learning in nature to enhance self-awareness. Incorporation of healing modalities, such as sound therapy, in leadership coaching. The concept of "Becoming Limitless" and transcending self-imposed limits. The necessity of granting permission for emotional expression and authenticity.The transformative power of creative exploration and reframing perspectives on challenges.In This Episode: (00:00:00) – Understanding intuition (00:00:20) – Nurturing intuition (00:00:35) – Podcast introduction (00:01:09) – Meet Alicia (00:01:33) – Value of intuition (00:02:43) – Somatic awareness (00:03:50) – Indigenous wisdom (00:04:01) – Spirituality and leadership (00:06:44) – Inner and outer games (00:07:01) – Congruence in leadership (00:08:39) – Examples of incongruence (00:11:02) – Personal story (00:14:06) – Honoring dreams (00:15:18) – Greater awareness (00:19:14) – Sensing and leadership (00:21:12) – Developing intuition (00:21:56) – Becoming limitless (00:23:07) – Nature as a collaborator (00:24:29) – Opening up to new experiences (00:25:07) – Getting out of our heads (00:25:56) – Permission to access senses (00:27:54) – Curiosity and limitless possibilities (00:28:39) – Imagination over knowledge (00:29:06) – Emotional transformation (00:29:52) – The importance of rest in leadership (00:31:07) – Catalysts for personal reflection (00:32:06) – Introduction to the book (00:32:18) – Personal loss and career disillusionment (00:34:23) – Meeting the shaman (00:35:27) – Creating conditions for success (00:38:11) – The book's availability (00:39:08) – Sharing essays and writing (00:40:48) – Closing remarks on wisdom sharing (00:41:10) – Podcast conclusionResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcast Spirituality in LeadershipAlicia Rodriguez Website: https://aliciamrodriguez.com/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/msaliciamrodriguez/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MsAliciaMRodriguez/ Book:https://aliciamrodriguez.com/the-shamans-wifeAndrew Cohn Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music:  Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Like it or not, leadership isn’t just about making decisions and getting things done—it’s about how you get things done. Productivity without purpose leads to burnout, while purpose without action leaves potential unfulfilled. What if the secret to stress-free leadership lies in balancing both?In this episode ofSpirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with David Allen, the mastermind behindGetting Things Done: The Art of Stress-Free Productivity. Together, they explore the intersection of leadership, authenticity, and inner guidance, revealing how GTD principles can help leaders not only manage their workload but also lead with clarity, trust, and intention.From overcoming overwhelm to embracing the “still small voice” within, this conversation offers powerful insights on how leaders can create an environment of engagement, psychological safety, and true effectiveness. Whether you're a seasoned executive or just starting your leadership journey, this episode will challenge you to rethink productivity—not just as a tool for efficiency but as a pathway to deeper fulfillment and impact.Ready to transform the way you lead? Tune in now and discover how to integrate stress-free productivity with authentic leadership. Don’t forget to subscribe, share the episode, and let us know your biggest takeaway in the comments!Key TakeawaysThe intersection of spirituality and leadershipHow authenticity boosts engagement and trust within teamsThe importance of accepting current realitiesThe balance between personal productivity and collaborationThe role of inner guidance in decision-makingManaging leadership challenges and information overloadBuilding psychological safety in teamsClarity of purpose and direction in leadershipTrust, vulnerability, and authenticity in leadership dynamicsIntegrating spiritual wisdom with practical productivity strategiesTeaching productivity principles to the next generationIn This Episode:(00:04) – Welcome and introduction(00:36) – Meet David Allen(01:39) – Authenticity in leadership(02:47) – Embracing the current reality(03:57) – Tuning into your “still small voice”(04:51) – Balancing practical and spiritual approaches(06:01) – Understanding authenticity(08:11) – The cost of inauthenticity(09:11) – Developing your authentic self(10:30) – The significance of embracing the current reality(12:07) – Managing overwhelm as a leader(14:29) – Tools vs. authenticity(15:03) – Encouraging authentic leadership in others(16:07) – Framework for authentic conversations(19:17) – The importance of vulnerability and trust(20:36) – Engagement and leadership(21:21) – Spirituality’s role in leadership(21:30) – The power of spirit in leadership decisions(23:16) – Authenticity and shifting perspectives(25:48) – Revisiting the “still small voice”(27:13) – Trusting your inner wisdom(28:45) – The power of intention in leadership(29:00) – Drifting vs. intentionality in leadership(30:38) – Acceptance and cooperation(31:54) – Efficient use of energy(32:54) – Completion and creation(34:55) – GTD for teens(36:34) – Integration of wisdomResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership PodcastSpirituality in LeadershipDavid AllenWebsite:https://gettingthingsdone.com/LinkedIn: https://nl.linkedin.com/company/david-allen-companyX:https://x.com/gtdguy?lang=en&mx=2Book:https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Productivity/dp/0142000280Andrew CohnWebsite:https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak:https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn delves into key themes and insights from previous episodes, weaving together lessons on spirituality and leadership. With heartfelt gratitude for the diverse perspectives shared by past guests, Andrew explores the intersection of personal effectiveness, leadership impact, and the integration of spirituality into professional practice. Andrew emphasizes the importance of aligning with personal values, embracing cultural awareness, and drawing inspiration from nature to cultivate resilience and creativity. Drawing on rich examples from his executive coaching experience, he offers reflective questions to inspire listeners to examine how their own experiences, values, and beliefs shape their leadership style and personal growth. This episode invites a deeper exploration of what it means to lead with purpose and authenticity.Key TakeawaysReflection on key themes from previous discussions about spirituality and leadership.Importance of personal values in leadership.Cultural awareness and its role in effective leadership.Integration of spirituality into leadership practices.The impact of nature on resilience and creativity.Examples from executive coaching and team alignment work.Diverse perspectives from various guests on meaningful work and relationships.Encouragement for listeners to engage in self-reflection and personal growth.The significance of authenticity and connection in leadership.Practical application of discussed themes in real-world scenarios.In This Episode:(00:00:00) Introduction to individual reflection(00:00:26) Gratitude for guests(00:01:26) Discussion of guest topics(00:02:45) Inspirational nature of conversations(00:05:07) Quotes and themes of service(00:06:23) Cultural awareness in leadership(00:08:53) Nature's role in resilience(00:10:22) Client work examples(00:13:06) Team dynamics and values(00:14:24) Practicality over buzzwords(00:15:33) Reflective questions for leadership(00:18:11) Conclusion and call to actionResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership PodcastSpirituality in LeadershipAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/MusicKodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Aikido is more than a martial art—it’s a way of navigating life’s challenges with grace and resilience. In this episode, Andrew Cohn speaks with his friend, colleague, and mentor, Chris Thorsen, a longtime practitioner of Aikido and its “off the mat” applications. Chris shares his powerful story, starting with his use of haiku as a tool for recovery after serving in the Vietnam War. This practice connected him with a Zen master who guided him for 30 years. Aikido, Chris explains, provided him the strength to thrive as a crisis counselor, even during years consulting with guards at San Quentin prison. Later, he introduced Aikido as a healing tool to a business leader and combat helicopter pilot processing trauma, sparking a transformative professional connection. Chris reflects on his journey as a “medic in the corporate world,” integrating Aikido and deep dialogue into leadership development and culture building. This conversation offers profound insights into the intersection of personal growth, leadership, and operational effectiveness.

In our increasingly disconnected world, recognizing our interconnectedness across cultures and in the workplace is more important than ever. In this episode of the podcast, Andrew Cohn speaks with Yoko Hisano, a clinical therapist and healer in the Boston area. Yoko shares her experience growing up in Japan and in Texas, working in human resources in Japan, and in higher education in the U.S. before moving into clinical therapy work. She talks about her experience across cultures, and about engaging people in important conversations that relate to connecting. The theme of interconnectedness comes through clearly in this conversation, which Yoko describes as a spiritual theme. In a very simple and clear way, she talks about aspiring to inspire people to connect to what brings them joy.

In this conversation, Andrew Cohn talks a second time with Martin Rutte, one of the pioneers in the field of spirituality in business, and more recently the author of the book, Project Heaven on Earth. Martin begins the conversation by sharing the three key questions that each of us can consider in order to begin to create heaven on earth—as each of us defines it. He also reflects back Andrew‘s answers to these questions and what that might mean for him. Martin describes his book as a blueprint of discovering what heaven on earth means for us, and the steps each of us can take to begin to bring it to life. He describes the seven gateways to heaven on earth, and shares stories that bring these powerful themes and ideas to life. He challenges us to consider where we might be “out“ of heaven and earth with ourselves. Martin talks about his belief that humanity is at a fork in the road, and it is by tapping into these bigger personal questions that we can navigate in the right direction.

In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with his colleague, friend, and mentor Tom Hurley, a very experienced leadership development consultant, about how we can be transparent to what's most true for us as they explore the connection between spirituality and leadership, a topic Tom has been exploring for decades. Tom talks about his personal experience through a variety of dimensions, about how he defines spirituality, and about the importance of focusing on how we connect with our guidance. Tom says the most important invitation is for us to explore what is most deeply true for us and how this inquiry is fundamentally mysterious. This conversation is laced with wisdom and inspiration and invites us to consider how we can live lives that are more fulfilled and have a more positive impact on the world, even if we are operating in a challenging business paradigm that might sometimes make us confront our deepest personal values.

In this episode of the podcast, Andrew Cohn speaks with Karen and Matt Fine—business leaders, parents, and community contributors in Norfolk, Virginia. This is a conversation about simpler applications of spirituality in family and at work. Matt and Karen talk about their journeys, the impact of their personal spirituality in their household, and their work in the world. This broad conversation is full of wisdom and insight. The Fines are humble as they express their beliefs and their experience, however they offer a number of inspiring stories and invite us to use our experience and our inspiration to help us leave a positive “wake” as leaders in the world.

In this episode of the podcast, Andrew talks with Chetan Roy, who has held various positions in IT leadership in the banking sector in India, after working for many years outside India. Chetan shares some of his personal stories, including the experience of landing on a challenging first day in the US when he went abroad for the first time to attend university in New York. Chetan has deep knowledge of Hinduism, yoga, and other traditions and practices, and he shares some of his wisdom and experience about the connection between yoga practices and business leadership practices. He has a way of gently and practically distilling wisdom which comes through clearly as he shares his experience. This is a conversation across continents, cultures, and religions—and reinforces the universality of connection and personal values in leadership.

In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with Barney Singer, a social change leader with many decades of multidisciplinary experience in social development—in both the public and private sectors. Barney talks about his work, particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa, and how he brings a spiritual framework to his program, design, and delivery, as well as in his supervision of others. He shares a number of examples of the impact of his work and the impact of his belief system and approach on those whom his programs serve. Barney shares his wisdom very comfortably with the voice of both an expert and a “lifelong seeker."

In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with Aaron Hurst, author of the prominent book, The Purpose Economy, (2014). Aaron is a researcher, author, and social entrepreneur who is dedicated to driving positive societal change. He talks about his research, defining, cultivating, and leveraging purpose. Importantly, Aaron shares the four myths of purpose, as well as the importance of recognizing the diversity of purpose on any team. He also talks about the impact of a purpose mindset in the workplace, as opposed to a transactional mindset. This is a very practical and inviting conversation about what purpose really is, why it matters, and what steps leaders can take to cultivate it.

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn welcomes Zhou Fang, an equity, diversity, and inclusion (EDI) consultant, practitioner, and strategist, and the founder of The Intersectional Group, based in Portland, Oregon. Zhou draws on her background as an immigrant from China, a multilingual communicator, and a woman of color to bring a uniquely grounded and intersectional lens to leadership and EDI work.Zhou shares how she once considered herself an atheist and never expected to connect with the word "spirituality,” in part because growing up in China, spirituality was culturally discouraged–if not outlawed. But over time, she discovered that spirituality, distinct from religion, is about the mind, the heart, and one's connection to the world and community around us. That realization has become central to both her personal life and her professional work.Tune in to discover how intersectionality, spirituality, and equity-focused leadership can work together to help you lead from the inside out.In This Episode:[00:00] Spirituality as connection to mind, heart, and community[01:50] Introduction to Zhou Fang and her work[06:36] Zhou Fang’s personal and professional journey[08:52] Growing up in China as an atheist and discovering spirituality[09:56] How her grandmother's shift from Buddhism to Christianity shaped her view[11:41] Why spirituality is bigger than religion[16:10] The roundabout metaphor[17:32] How intersectionality connects to EDI work[19:08] Why EDI work is intellectually and emotionally demanding[19:56] How spirituality reconnects her to her purpose and the why[22:30] Why compassion is at the heart of leadership[24:13] Compassion vs. intellect, and why both are necessary[27:04] An overview of Zhou's EDI services and approach[28:35] Why equity-focused leadership matters for business sustainability[30:24] How spirituality shows up practically in her client work[33:04] Where to find Zhou Fang and The Intersectional GroupResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Zhou FangWebsite: https://www.intersectional.group/Email: [email protected]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zhoufang35Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What happens when a meticulous financial controller leaves his comfortable corporate career to walk 500 miles across France with a donkey? And what could such a pilgrimage reveal about leadership, hope, and the sacred art of meeting another person without judgment?In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Jean-Christophe Normand, an executive coach, professor at a Catholic university, and ordained deacon in the Roman Catholic Church. Jean-Christophe’s journey from corporate finance to spiritual leadership is anything but conventional.Raised in a culture where religion and public life are carefully separated, Jean-Christophe describes himself as “culturally and emotionally 100 percent French.” Yet around age 40, after navigating difficult adoptions, personal loss, and a growing sense that his career lacked deeper meaning, something shifted. With the support of a coach, he began exploring theology and gradually stepped away from his corporate role. When a devastating car accident left his mother tetraplegic, his search for purpose deepened even further.Seeking clarity, Jean-Christophe embarked on a 700-kilometer pilgrimage from Paris with a donkey, traveling with little planning and trusting the path to unfold. The journey became a turning point that opened the door to a life devoted to coaching, teaching, and spiritual service.Today, Jean-Christophe’s work bridges three worlds: leadership coaching, academic teaching, and spiritual ministry. Rather than seeing these roles as separate, he experiences them as deeply interconnected expressions of the same calling.At the heart of his philosophy is a simple yet powerful belief: hope is a gift. Even in times of darkness, leaders can hold space for the possibility that light will emerge. Through presence, listening, and deep respect for the humanity of others, leadership becomes less about authority and more about walking alongside others in their journeys.This conversation explores how faith can quietly shape leadership practice without imposing beliefs on others and how humility, curiosity, and compassion create space for transformation in individuals and organizations alike. Let’s dive in!In This Episode:[00:03] Opening reflections on faith and hope[00:48] Podcast introduction and guest overview[02:24] Jean-Christophe’s early life and French Catholicism[10:10] Career beginnings and personal challenges[11:15] Turning point: coaching, theology, and pilgrimage[15:45] Integration of coaching, teaching, and deacon roles[18:20] Faith as a source of hope and calm[19:42] Daily rituals and respect for others[21:45] Path of wisdom and individual growth[23:01] Faith as the foundation (iceberg metaphor)[23:49] Hope and redemption in coaching[25:55] Navigating secular environments with faith[26:44] Building relationships and avoiding judgment[29:42] Connecting across social levels[31:18] Leadership, responsibility, and spiritual alignment[34:10] Daily commitment and self-awareness[37:37] Coaching practice and spirituality[40:32] Contact information and future projects[43:16] Book recommendation and positive narratives[44:58] Closing remarks and gratitudeResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Jean-Christophe NormandLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanchristophenormand/Website: https://rhinc.fr/en/Email: [email protected] CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Book The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson (2020)Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Did you know that in today’s chaotic world, even leaders can lose touch with the truth of the men they lead? The most vulnerable need a safe space to share their stories and connect with their feminine energy because that’s where real healing begins.In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Sean Harvey, an interfaith minister, former Wall Street professional, and a pioneer in men’s healing work, as well as the author of Warrior Compassion: Unleashing the Healing Power of Men. Together, they explore what spirituality in leadership actually looks like when you strip away dogma and focus on being fully human.Sean shares his unconventional path from corporate life to ministry and into some of the most challenging environments imaginable, including prisons, police departments, and hyper-masculine cultures. At the center of the conversation is a simple but powerful idea: leadership begins with presence, safety, and the willingness to look inward. In a world that feels divided and overwhelmed, Sean talks about reconnecting with our inner “sacred compass” and learning to trust our own truth without needing to overpower someone else’s.They dive into the role of storytelling as a healing tool, why creating psychologically safe spaces matters more than perfect messaging, and how compassion is often misunderstood as weakness when it actually requires courage and strength. Sean also shares insights from his book, touching on men’s unspoken suffering, the balance of healthy masculine and feminine energies, and the idea of courageous surrender.It’s a thoughtful, grounded conversation about leadership, healing, and what it really means to lead from deeper humanity.Key TakeawaysTruth Begins Within: Leadership grounded in soul starts by listening to your inner compass rather than external noise or ideology.Create Safe Containers: Psychological safety and presence matter more than words or frameworks when inviting real transformation.Story as Medicine: Healing happens when we move from the wounding of our stories to empowerment without bypassing the pain.Compassion Is Strength: Fierce, unconditional love is not weakness but a powerful leadership capacity, especially in hyper-masculine cultures.Beyond Labels: Spiritual leadership can be practiced without spiritual language by focusing on deeper humanity, love, and connection.Courageous Surrender: True fulfillment comes from releasing ego, certainty, and control to follow a deeper soul mission.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction[01:14] Introducing Sean Harvey and his work[02:21] Key themes in Sean’s work[05:36] Sean’s background and approach[07:48] Defining spirituality and soulfulness at work[09:23] Letting go and surrender in leadership[09:46] Discovering and accepting truth[11:21] Creating safe spaces and storytelling[12:53] Unpacking and healing stories[13:43] Unblocking wounds and unconditional love[15:12] The role of stories in identity and healing[17:33] Non-attachment to stories[18:40] Introducing spiritual themes without spiritual language[20:09] Compassion, masculinity, and universal truths[22:43] About the book: Warrior Compassion[24:49] Balancing masculine and feminine energies[27:31] Integration and the sacred masculine/feminine[28:42] Defining sacred masculine and feminine[30:38] Courageous surrender and the soul’s mission[32:31] Planting seeds and trusting the path[34:08] Humility, witnessing, and walking together[35:00] Closing and resourcesResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Sean Harveyhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/seanharvey/WarriorCompassion.comBook: Warrior  Compassion: Unleashing the Healing Power of MenAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this reflective solo episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn steps away from interviews to share some of the deepest insights he has gained from nine months of podcast conversations and nearly three decades in the leadership development space.Andrew revisits the heart of why this podcast exists: the belief that long-term effectiveness in leadership is impossible without fulfillment. While stress, overwork, and dissatisfaction may be survivable in the short term, Andrew explains why they are unsustainable over time. He reflects on how spirituality in leadership is less about religion and more about presence, values, purpose, and the ability to listen deeply in a distracted world.Through stories from his work with executives, his years of Aikido practice, and his experiential leadership work with Equus in Santa Fe, Andrew unpacks the power of presence as a practical leadership skill. He explains how awareness creates choice, how values shape behavior, and why inner work is not optional for leaders who want to serve well.This episode is an honest and grounding reminder that leadership is not just about performance. It is about how we show up, how we listen, and how we stay human along the way.Key TakeawaysThe "Why" Behind the Podcast: Created to host essential workplace conversations that connect effectiveness and fulfillment for long-term sustainability.Fulfillment is a Strategic Imperative: Short-term stress is manageable, but lasting leadership requires deep personal and professional fulfillment.Broadening the Definition of "Spiritual": Spirituality is framed as purpose, values in action, and higher motivation open to all beliefs.Presence as the Core Practice: Being fully attentive, undistracted, and available is the key bridge between spirituality and leadership.We Have 1924 Brains in a 2024 World: Our nervous systems lag behind modern demands, requiring new tools and practices.From Awareness to Embodied Change: Growth comes through awareness, choice, action, and reflection.Leadership as Responsibility: Leaders are accountable for the safety, growth, and development of others.The Goal is Inclusion: Spiritual language is used to invite, not exclude.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction and episode intention[01:28] Solo episode and feedback reflections[02:32] Foundations of the podcast[04:42] Professional background and experience[05:59] Inviting meaningful conversations[07:11] Defining spirituality in leadership[08:13] Individual and organizational dimensions[09:18] The practice of presence[10:24] Managing modern pressures and distractions[11:29] Presence in leadership practice[12:37] Making presence actionable[13:39] Aikido, experiential learning, and leadership[15:44] Values in action and leadership responsibility[16:41] Bringing spiritual qualities to work[17:44] Inclusivity and broad definitions[18:21] Closing thoughts and invitationResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with mentor, attorney, consultant, and longtime leadership practitioner James McPherson for a deeply grounded conversation on servant leadership, conviction, and living one’s faith with integrity in the workplace.James reflects on a lifetime of leadership across diverse environments, including the U.S. Air Force, Fortune 500 companies, law firms, higher education, healthcare systems, and federal government service, and shares how his Christian faith has consistently shaped how he leads rather than what he preaches. From a pivotal spiritual awakening as a college freshman in the early 1970s to his belief in servant leadership long before it became a management framework, James describes leadership as an expression of love, stewardship, humility, and responsibility for others’ growth.Throughout the conversation, James and Andrew explore what it means to lead without evangelizing, to stay rooted in values without imposing them, and to model spirituality through presence, patience, self-control, and genuine care for people. James shares vivid stories, from turning down career-advancing opportunities that conflicted with his values, to empowering frontline employees, to designing and teaching servant leadership programs that organically inspired others.This episode is a powerful reminder that spirituality in leadership is not about labels or persuasion. It is about how we show up, how we treat people, and how deeply we commit to helping others flourish.Key TakeawaysServant Leadership as a Way of Life: James embraced servant leadership through faith before it became a formal leadership concept.Conviction Over Career Advancement: Choosing values over promotion can open unexpected and meaningful paths.Faith Lived, Not Preached: Spiritual leadership is expressed through behavior, humility, and care, not evangelizing.Leadership Begins with Awareness: Knowing what drives us and what triggers us is essential for effective leadership.Humility Attracts, Ego Repels: People are drawn to leaders who put others first and remain grounded.Stewardship and Integrity Matter: Leaders are responsible for people, resources, and long-term impact.Empowerment Creates Excellence: Trusting and developing people leads to extraordinary performance.Inclusion Through Example: Making space for spirituality at work begins by modeling respect and humanity.In This Episode:[00:00] Opening reflections and introduction[01:24] Introducing James McPherson and his leadership background[05:58] Spirituality as the foundation of leadership[09:20] Love for people as a leadership throughline[10:53] A spiritual awakening and choosing a life of service[12:34] Learning servant leadership from Scripture[15:39] Values-based decisions in the U.S. Air Force[19:36] Choosing conviction over career trajectory[22:46] Faith, humility, and leadership in secular environments[26:36] Integrity, stewardship, and developing people[28:18] Empowerment and leadership in practice[31:37] Navigating faith in diverse workplaces[36:41] Teaching servant leadership and its ripple effects[41:30] Making spirituality easier to live at work[45:06] Closing reflections and invitationResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406James McPhersonhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mcpherson-6419673/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if I told you that business, not government or nonprofits, has the greatest potential to change the world? And what if the secret to unlocking that power is not in working harder but in becoming more alive?In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Kirk Souder, a seasoned branding leader and executive coach, to explore how spirituality is the missing gear for unprecedented creativity and impact in the business world.Kirk argues that business, as the most influential sector in society, has a profound potential to create change, but it is stuck in a lower gear of creation. He shares how moving from a paradigm of "availability" (what already exists) to one of "creation" (what's possible) unlocks a higher level of innovation. Drawing on wisdom from Howard Thurman and Joseph Campbell, Kirk makes a compelling case that the world does not need more hustle; it needs more people who are fully alive.Throughout the conversation, Kirk shares powerful stories, including how a client at Mattel trusted her sense of aliveness to spearhead the diversification of the Barbie doll, a move that laid the groundwork for the cultural phenomenon of the Barbie movie. He and Andrew also delve into the practical neuroanatomy of creativity, explaining how shifting from fear-based "shoulds" to curiosity and aliveness activates the brain's "dispersed mode" for breakthrough ideas.This episode is an invitation to run the experiment and see what happens when you trust your inner compass, let go of outdated identities, and lead from a place of genuine aliveness.Key TakeawaysBusiness as a Force for Change: Today’s corporations have unprecedented power to create transformation if they connect to a higher purpose.The Aliveness Compass: Spirituality, stripped of labels, simply means orienting around what brings you alive and allowing that energy to guide your work.Run the Experiment: Replace fear-based decision-making with curiosity. See what happens when you lead with trust and authenticity.The Barbie Case Study: True innovation begins when leaders align their personal purpose with their organization’s mission.Nature as a Teacher: Like redwoods letting go of lower branches to reach the light, leaders must release what no longer serves in order to grow.The Paradigm Shift: Move from scarcity (What’s available?) to creation (What’s possible?). That is where innovation truly begins.Spirituality in Action: It is not about rituals; it is a way of being that fuels creativity, purpose, and connection in every decision.In This Episode:[00:00] Opening reflections on spirituality in business[01:23] Meet Kirk Souder: from branding to coaching[04:16] The intersection of spirituality and business[06:55] Rethinking business purpose through aliveness[09:57] Howard Thurman’s wisdom and inner guidance[10:45] Running the experiment and leading with trust[12:31] The Barbie story: purpose in corporate creativity[16:31] Neuroscience of curiosity and innovation[19:34] Creating joy as a driver of change[22:39] Lessons from nature and redwoods[24:29] Rethinking identity and organizational purpose[29:03] Emergent strategy and natural systems[31:27] From scarcity to creation paradigm[34:06] Living vision and designing from feeling[35:15] The “S” word (spirituality) and “F” word (feelings)[37:39] Rediscovering purpose beyond success[40:57] The Barbie effect and the Microsoft mindset shift[44:33] Nature’s perfection in innovation and efficiency[46:01] The call to live and lead from alivenessResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Kirk SouderWebsite:https://kirksouder.co/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirksouder/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What happens when spirituality stops being abstract and becomes deeply practical? In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Marcos Cajina, leadership consultant, executive coach, and founder of Renewal Company. Born in Madrid and seasoned in corporate HR at Ford before moving into leadership development and executive education, Marcos bridges the worlds of business performance and spiritual wisdom.Together, Andrew and Marcos explore how spirituality is not about retreats or caves but about ordinary, daily practices that shape how we lead and live. Marcos introduces what he calls a “scientific approach to spirituality,” testing, applying, and refining practices that work. From martial arts to Japanese archery, he shares how paradoxes like “hitting the target without trying” reveal powerful lessons for leadership.The conversation covers the laws of spirit, including acceptance, cooperation, and understanding, and how they translate into everyday business situations. Marcos also emphasizes the role of compassion in leadership, reframing it as a critical executive competency. With humor, humility, and lived experience, he shows how leaders can let go of drama, embrace ordinariness, and make leadership a true team sport.This episode is full of timeless insights for leaders seeking to integrate spirituality, practicality, and humanity in their work.Key TakeawaysSpirituality is practical: it belongs in meetings, feedback, and everyday leadership, not just retreats.Acceptance ≠ resignation: it’s about learning, course-correcting, and moving forward without drama.Action comes before understanding: leaders must act with incomplete information to gain clarity.Compassion is a leadership competency: both self-compassion and compassion for others unlock growth.Ordinariness is powerful: letting go of the need to be “special” allows authentic presence.Leadership is a team sport: true progress happens when giving and receiving support are both practiced.In This Episode:(00:01) Introduction to practical spirituality(00:26) Marcos’ spiritual journey and ordinariness(01:00) Podcast introduction (01:43) Guest introduction and episode overview(05:12) Marcos’ corporate and consulting background(06:20) Practicality of spirituality in business(08:14) Martial arts and shift to practical spirituality(10:00) Embracing ordinariness and authenticity(13:35) Tension between acceptance and ambition(14:51) Scientific approach to spirituality(15:48) Japanese archery and the paradox of performance(21:12) Spiritual laws: acceptance, cooperation, understanding(25:08) Action before understanding in leadership(28:41) Drama, mistakes, and learning(31:55) Compassion as a leadership competency(34:13) Inclusion, acceptance, and team support(35:24) Loving in business and reciprocity(37:07) Makers, takers, and fakers(39:17) Closing remarks and contact informationResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Marcos CajinaWebsite: renewalcompany.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcos-cajina/Email: [email protected] CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn welcomes his longtime friend and colleague Dr. James Smith Jr., an award-winning speaker, presentation coach, and expert in authenticity and leadership. Known for his electrifying presence and motivational wisdom, Dr. Smith shares deeply personal stories from raising his son to jumping out of a plane that illustrate what it means to live authentically and lead with vulnerability.Together, Andrew and James explore how spirituality, listening, and curiosity open doors to connection across cultures, generations, and organizations. They discuss the metaphor of “front seat, back seat, and trunk” as a lens for understanding what truly matters to people, why possibility thinking is a spiritual practice, and how leaders can invite trust by sharing their own stories first.Whether you’re a seasoned executive, a new manager, or simply someone who wants to live more courageously, this conversation will inspire you to “jump every day” into the opportunities life presents.Key TakeawaysLeadership Is Not a Beauty Contest: True leadership requires vulnerability, listening, and the willingness to get messy.Possibility Thinking as a Spiritual Practice: Where others see problems, great leaders see possibilities.The Front Seat Metaphor: Trust grows when leaders understand what matters most to people their “front seat” priorities.Fear and Authenticity: Many leaders hold back out of fear, but authenticity builds stronger teams and relationships.Jump Every Day: Whether skydiving or starting a tough conversation, growth comes from taking leaps that scare us.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction and possibility thinking[05:06] Personal journey and spiritual foundation[07:09] Parenting and spiritual shifts[08:55] Navigating spirituality across cultures[10:31] Curiosity and cross-cultural connection[13:06] Childlike curiosity vs. adult inhibition[16:29] Authenticity, fear, and imposter syndrome[17:02] Goal-oriented vs. personality-driven leadership[19:25] People-pleasing and generational shifts[21:24] Meaning, advocacy, and shared goals[22:13] Openness to conversations on meaning[24:24] Leadership as inviting conversation[28:01] Spirituality’s place in the workplace[29:14] Choice, accountability, and personal maps[30:32] Access, connection, and remote work[32:10] Non-technological ways to connect[38:15] Conversations as relationship-building[41:51] Skydiving as a metaphor for growth[43:59] Closing and contact informationResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Dr. James Smith, Jr.Website: https://www.drjamessmithjr.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjamessmithjr/Andrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Ever wondered how somatic practices like aikido and tai chi can enhance your leadership skills? In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, Andrew Cohn welcomes Kimberly Arnold, transformation strategist, former corporate leader at PwC, Blue Shield, and Salesforce, and founder of Somatic Leadership. Kimberly shares her personal and professional journey from high-pressure corporate roles to somatic practices rooted in Aikido, Tai Chi, and Feldenkrais.Together, Andrew and Kimberly explore how leaders can move beyond reactivity, regulate their nervous systems, and shift the energy in a room from fear and anxiety to connection and collaboration. Kimberly offers powerful stories from navigating corporate crises at Salesforce to facilitating executive conflict resolution under an oak tree that show how grounding, centering, and intentional presence can transform leadership impact.She also introduces her practice of “Micro Shift Monday,” a series of small, practical, weekly practices designed to help leaders make their body an ally and bring more ease and wisdom into their day-to-day leadership.This is an inspiring and practical conversation for anyone seeking to integrate spirituality and embodiment into leadership. Let’s dive in!Key TakeawaysYour body is a spiritual ally; grounding and centering practices can shift reactivity into presence and connection.Leaders set the tone in the room: emotions are contagious, so awareness of your inner state is critical.Somatic practices create space to transform “oh-shit moments” into opportunities for clarity and collaboration.Habits and daily rituals, like Kimberly’s “cup practice,” help leaders anchor intentions and release stress.Small micro shifts, consistently practiced, can repave neural pathways and turn helpful states into lasting traits.True transformation happens when leaders integrate mind, body, and spirit not just strategy and words.In This Episode:(00:01) Reactive nervous systems and societal fear(00:30) Podcast introduction(01:07) Episode recap and framing(03:10) Kimberly’s background and somatic journey(04:07) Integrating body and leadership(05:35) Spiritual dimensions in the workplace(07:21) Contagious emotions and energy in meetings(08:03) Grounding and centering under stress(10:57) Transforming conflict through somatic practices(12:41) Practical and aspirational aspects of somatic work(13:51) Building habits for somatic awareness(14:53) Facilitating C-suite conflict resolution(17:52) Advice to younger self: Pause in urgency(19:12) Body as fastest path to change(20:25) Daily cup practice for intention and reflection(21:49) Micro shift Monday initiative(22:50) Closing and podcast outroResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Kimberly S. ArnoldLinktree: https://linktr.ee/kimberlysarnoldLinkedIn: Kimberly S. ArnoldSomatic Leadership  Micro Shift Monday: LinkedIn weekly seriesAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Naren Balasubramaniam, a healthcare executive and founder of Metamorphix, a public benefit corporation tackling childhood mental health. Naren brings a refreshing perspective to the conversation, viewing spirituality not just as a human experience but as something deeply connected to all of life. He talks about how the illusion of separation holds us back and how true leadership should be about bringing people together, helping them uncover their purpose, and creating space for real connection.Throughout the episode, Naren also shares the mission behind Metamorphix: using data-driven tools to bridge the gap between healthcare and education and ultimately support kids facing mental health challenges. He opens up about his path, the power of surrender, and the role trust has played in both his professional and spiritual evolution.This episode is a powerful reminder that business isn’t just about numbers. It can be a platform for meaning and service. Naren challenges conventional success metrics and encourages leaders to build organizations that prioritize care, purpose, and impact.Key TakeawaysSpirituality Is Not Just for Humans: Naren redefines spirituality as life itself, an interconnected field that transcends identity and ego.Leadership Begins With Inner Evolution: You can't help others reach their potential if you're not evolving toward yours.Organizations as Meaning-Making Machines: Business can do more than deliver earnings. It can deliver purpose if we design it that way.Knowing Your Team Means Knowing Their Humanity: Real inclusion requires curiosity, context, and courageous connection.From EBITDA to Empathy: Operational success is not incompatible with spiritual service. It's incomplete without it.Mental Health is a Spiritual Crisis: Metamorphix addresses the disconnection driving teen mental health challenges through data-informed, compassionate intervention.In This Episode:[00:55] Podcast introduction and host welcome[01:27] Guest introduction and episode overview[04:42] Naren’s background [06:28] Defining spirituality beyond human experience[09:19] Spirituality’s role in leadership and inclusion[10:48] Leadership as enabling human potential[13:31] Challenges of caring in organizational leadership[15:50] Spirituality in organizational design[16:38] Organizations as meaning-making machines[18:43] Personal purpose and Metamorphix[19:34] Metamorphix: Mission and approach[21:41] Technology and data in childhood mental health[22:23] Personal growth and integrating experiences[23:44] Bridging healthcare and education for children[25:39] Addressing disconnection and youth mental health crisis[27:34] Spirituality, service, and societal good[28:20] Readiness for purpose-driven leadership[31:04] Surrender and trust in leadership[32:49] Spirituality beyond career constructs[33:51] Closing and how to connectResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Naren BalasubramaniamWebsite: https://www.metamorphix.co/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/narenbalasubramaniamAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn chats with his longtime friend and mentor, Leslie Boyer, about what it truly means to bring purpose and spiritual awareness into the workplace. Leslie shares her journey, from starting out as a kindergarten teacher to working with high-risk teens, and eventually coaching global corporate teams. Her perspective? Whether you’re five or fifty, people want the same things: to be seen, heard, and understood.They explore how culture and geography influence people’s willingness to talk about compassion, forgiveness, and purpose at work. Leslie talks about her experiences coaching teams in Germany and India, and how understanding cultural differences helps build trust and opens the door to more meaningful conversations.They also talk about the power of storytelling, deep listening, and self-awareness, especially for leaders. Leslie explains how tuning into your inner motivations (and checking your ego) can make a big difference in how you lead and connect with others. She calls it “practical spirituality,” which is about making purpose and presence part of daily life, not just something you reflect on in quiet moments.If you're curious about leading with more clarity and connection, this episode is for you.Key TakeawaysLeadership is human development. Whether in classrooms or corporations, we all want to be seen, valued, and heard.Listening is spiritual practice. True listening requires presence, patience, and the humility to set aside personal agendas.Stories build connection. Leaders who share personal stories cultivate empathy and understanding across teams and cultures.Presence is deeper than patience. Being fully here and open creates a natural space for others to reflect, grow, and trust.Spirituality doesn’t need labels. Forgiveness, acceptance, and purpose are accessible values, even in secular or global workplaces.Culture matters. Effective leadership requires cultural sensitivity — geographic, generational, and organizational.In This Episode:[00:00] Introduction and universal human needs[01:16] Leslie’s background [03:51] Personal development and passion for practical spirituality[05:40] Teaching kindergarten and corporate lessons[07:04] Early teaching experiences and disillusionment[08:57] Corporate coaching and global work[09:48] Core spiritual dimensions in the workplace[11:13] Cultural differences in openness[11:39] Navigating cultural norms[13:08] Building trust and credibility[15:41] Cultural examples: Germany, Sweden, US[17:50] Storytelling as a bridge[18:12] The value of sharing stories[19:29] Listening and asking questions[20:49] Barriers to listening[23:03] Learning styles and communication[24:37] Self-awareness and leadership[25:49] Holding space and presence[26:32] Self-reflection and inner work[30:39] Commitment to growth and healing[32:12] Trust in something greater[32:53] Spiritual awakening and practice[34:16] Purpose and practical spirituality[36:50] Compassion, teamwork, and new stories[37:47] Closing and contact informationResources and LinksSpirituality in Leadership Podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406Leslie BoyerWebsite: https://www.boyershift.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslieboyerAndrew CohnWebsite: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/Music: Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCeMentionedGetting Things Done10% Happier Podcast10% Happier Book

We have been conditioned to think that spirituality is not something we could bring to work. It's something we leave at the door, never to be spoken about in the halls of business and professionalism. But as we'll see later, this is a huge missed opportunity for all stakeholders involved. In this episode, we are joined by Martin Rutte, a pioneer in the intersection of business and spirituality. Martin shares his journey into this transformative space, revealing a pivotal moment at an Indian monastery that sparked a realization about the absence of spirituality in his life. However, as Rutte navigated the resistance, he discovered that spirituality at work holds the potential to enhance authenticity, trust, and engagement. The conversation unfolds to explore the positive impact of framing spirituality as an ongoing inquiry rather than a set answer, highlighting the importance of creating a safe and permissible space for individuals to explore and express their spiritual dimensions in the workplace. Tune in for more!