PODCAST · health
System Updates: IFS Chitchat
by Martha Sweezy, Hanna Soumerai Rea, Fiona Kate Rice
Martha Sweezy, Hanna Soumerai Rea, and Fiona Kate Rice bring humor, heart, and irreverence to the IFS perspective on the world. Whether you’re an Internal Family Systems pro or just parts-curious, join us for deep dives, candid insights, and chitchat that makes self-discovery a little less serious—and a lot more fun. Therapy talk with a side of banter.
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A System Update!
New episodes will resume in June! As always, thanks for listening. Take this month to relisten to old episodes, write in with new interest, and enjoy the sunshine. We'll be back with more chitchat before you know it! Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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"Narcissistic" Parts
Chitchat about bucket lists and tor-mentors. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Self Disclosure
Chitchat about salad and how to be a therapist who is also a person. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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The Science of IFS
Chitchat about blackout shades and the benefits of unblending. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Donate to support IFS research here Study: Group-based Online IFS Treatment Can Benefit Those With PTSD by Martha Sweezy Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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The "C" of Compassion
Chitchat about reality tv and the importance of healthy boundaries. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Thawing
Chitchat about warmer climes and intent versus impact. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Inner Parent
Chitchat about football and parenting. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Synesthetic Awareness
Chitchat about trauma and horses. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Ins & Outs
Chitchat about new years resolutions and addictive processes. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Who Have I Been Waiting For?
Chitchat about frozen nostrils and showing up for ourselves. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! Bring Yourself to Love Mona Barbera You Are The One You've Been Waiting For Richard C. Schwartz System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton.
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Extra Credit
Chitchat about psychedelic snow and managers who want homework. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Who's on First?
Chitchat about cozy season and the value of differentiating protectors from exiles. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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My Friend the Therapist
Chitchat about data collection and not being your friends' therapist. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Dressing the Part
Chitchat about Halloween costumes and the basics of IFS. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Intimacy from the Inside Out®
Chitchat about dissonance and IFIO. Check out Martha and Toni Herbine-Blank's manual on IFIO here! Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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The Many Flavors of Guilt
Chitchat about concussions and transgressions. Martha's a bit of an expert on the subject of guilt, if you didn't know! Buy her book here. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Is IFS a cult?
Chitchat about Self-led scuffles and skeptical parts. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Is Internal Family Systems A Cult? Lissa Rankin, MD, with IFS founder Dick Schwartz & IFS Institute CEO Katie Nelson The Gift of Fear Gavin de Becker Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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IFS & IPV
Chitchat about how our summers are going and harm reduction. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Strangling in Intimate Partner Violence, and What Could Help Martha Sweezy, PhD Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! National Domestic Violence Hotline: Domestic Violence Support System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Anger Antimanagement
Chitchat about the upcoming IFS conference and listening to anger. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com See Hanna present at the upcoming 2025 IFS Annual Conference! Watch a clip of Cell Block Tango from the 2002 film version of the musical Chicago! Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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IFS & CBT
Chitchat about outdoor adventures and cognitive behavioral therapy. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Martha Sweezy for Psychology Today Comparing Internal Family Systems and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Self-led vs. Self-like: Calm
Chitchat about camping and how to tell Self from parts. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Good grief
Chitchat about rhododendrons and how grief is a very good thing. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Read How IFS Therapy Can Help With Loss by our very own Martha Sweezy! Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Jung parts
Chitchat about expressive art therapy and dreams. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Getting curious about AI
Chitchat about chatbots and astrology. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com How People are Really Using Gen AI in 2025 Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Why IFS?
Chitchat about why we practice IFS and how we spent our weekends. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Buffalo Springfield "For What It's Worth" Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Polarizations
Chitchat about parts in conflict and the importance of hanging out. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com "Just Plain Old Larry" Alanis Morissette Ironic video But I'm a Cheerleader The Beatles ballads Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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External Family Systems
Chitchat about couples therapy* and our dogs. *In today's episode, we use the term “couples” when discussing relationships. We’re speaking to any meaningful connection between people navigating intimacy and growth-romantic, platonic, polyamorous, chosen family, and beyond. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Toni Herbine-Blank's Intimacy from the Inside Out© Columbo Elizabeth Holmes voice Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Self help (with a capital "S")
Chitchat about burnout and the therapeutic value of brunch. Read our latest research, "A pilot study of an online group-based Internal Family Systems intervention for comorbid posttraumatic stress disorder and substance use" in Frontiers in Psychiatry. Summary and IFSI announcement available here. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Ambiguous Images Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Uncertain times as catalysts for trailheads
Chitchat about Severance and uncertain times as catalysts for trailheads. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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IFS as time travel
Chitchat about David Lynch and IFS as time travel. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Part 2: How do we know if it's guilt or shame?
Chitchat about whether it's guilt or shame, and whether dodgeball should exist. Part 2. If you haven't bought Martha's book yet, what are you waiting for? Get it here. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Part 1: How do we know if it's guilt or shame?
Chitchat about whether it's guilt or shame, and why it matters. Part 1. Martha's a bit of an expert on this subject, if you didn't know! Buy her book here. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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What is the goal of IFS?
Chitchat about stressful tv shows and the goal of IFS. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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Is IFS just a metaphor?
Chitchat about impression management parts and whether IFS is just a metaphor. Martha is at marthasweezy.com Hanna is at hannarea.com Fiona is at fionakaterice.com Want to hear us chitchat about something specific? Leave it in a 5 star review! System Updates is produced by Fiona Kate Rice and edited by Emily Newton. Views shared in this podcast are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for mental health treatment.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Martha Sweezy, Hanna Soumerai Rea, and Fiona Kate Rice bring humor, heart, and irreverence to the IFS perspective on the world. Whether you’re an Internal Family Systems pro or just parts-curious, join us for deep dives, candid insights, and chitchat that makes self-discovery a little less serious—and a lot more fun. Therapy talk with a side of banter.
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