The ABA and PT Podcast
by Mandy Mason
The Mission of the ABA and PT Podcast is to record and document the work and journeys of major contributors to ABA and Precision Teaching, and thereby stand for incorporating standard measurement and the use of the standard celeration chart into our work and lives. Our pledge is to honour those who have dedicated their life to this field such that my daughter and those that need it, benefit from science and all our field has discovered, that is at risk of getting lost. And the bottom line is that we all need it.
Episodes
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Episode 20: The Anti-Science of Positive Behaviour Support with Dr Nathan Blenkush
Views expressed by guests of the ABA and PT Podcast are their own. Episode description Positive Behaviour Support underpins the National Disability Insurance Scheme in Australia, and it is sold to schools and governments around the world as an evidence-based way to address behaviour problems.…
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Episode #19 - Worsham Wisdom with Dr Bob Worsham
Welcome to the ABA and PT Podcast where I interview scientists and practitioners from the world of Precision Teaching as they share their journeys of how they found their way to the science of human behaviour, as well as the discovery through the use of the Standard Celeration Chart.
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Episode #18 - The Precision Positive Interaction Project - Jack Auman and Abigail B. Calkin
Jack Auman and Dr. Abigail Calkin, two previous guests, are both returning in this episode as we explore how simple gestures like smiles and waves can have an enormous impact on another’s verbal behavior. We discuss the power of charting positive interactions and the ripple effect, butterfly…
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Episode #17 - A Life of Precision Teaching Meeting AI - Dr. Rick Kubina
Today we’re welcoming Dr. Rick Kubina, who is Director of Research at CentralReach as well as Professor of Special Education at The Pennsylvania State University. A trailblazer in precision teaching and the science behind human behavior, we talk about his journey from volunteering at a mental...
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Episode #16 – Try the Chart - Dr. Hank Pennypacker
Dr. Hank Pennypacker, a pioneer in the Science of Human Behavior, shared profound insights about the standard celeration chart in amongst the many wisdoms he describtes in this podcast. Despite its limited adoption, he emphasized the immeasurable value of the chart to those wanting to make…
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Episode #15 - The Carolyne Letters with Dr. Abigail Calkin
In this episode, we take a quick side step from ABA to talk about one of the most hotly debated issues in the US right now and one that Precision Teacher Abigail Calkin writes about in her book, The Carolyne Letters; A Story of Birth, Abortion, and Adoption . In this episode, Abigail poses...
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Episode #14 - The Truth Behind Neuropsychological Testing with Dr. Kimberly Berens
Be prepared for Dr. Kimberly Berens’ extraordinarily important message regarding learning disabilities! In the US, 20% of kids are considered to have a learning disability of some kind. Dr. Berens explains in Episode 14 of the podcast that only a tiny fraction of children—less than 1%—have a real...
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Episode #13 - All in with Patrick McGreevy - Part 2
This is Part 2 of Patrick McGreevy's ABA & PT Podcast interview. In this episode, we'll learn more about how the standard celeration chart works and how a slight difference in its size can cause the frequency multiplier to be distorted. Patrick emphasizes the benefits of using frequency data over...
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#12 - All in with Dr Patrick McGreevy Part. 1
If you were Dr Ogden R. Lindsley’s student, you were either all in or you weren’t, because precision teaching necessitates passion, dedication and an adherence to B.F. Skinner’s discovery of Rate of Response as the primary and most sensitive measure of behavior. From the first time Patrick…
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#11 - The Butterfly Effect with Jack Auman
Precision teachers, according to Jack Auman, have an impact on students similar to the Butterfly Effect because of the small changes that can have enormous positive outcomes. In this episode, Jack talks about his journey to Precision Teaching after he met Steve Graf. From scorekeeping at a…
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#10 A Living Human Treasure with Dr. Carl Koenig
This episode tells the story of a humble, passionate, and inspiring human being who gave his all for the science of Precision Teaching. Dr. Carl Koenig was instrumental in the creation of the behavior chart, now called the Standard Celeration Chart and the foundations of Precision Teaching. Carl...
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#9 Richard McManus - Making the Impossible Possible Precision Teaching
Richard McManus is the owner of The Fluency Factory, a PT learning lab in Massachusetts, and has been a Precision Teacher for more than 4 decades. In this episode, Richard recounts his life experience, beginning with his father's early influence, and his progressive use of inclusivity. He also...
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#8 Michael Maloney - How to be An Educational Ninja using Direct Instruction and Precision Teaching
Michael Maloney is a researcher and educator with over 50 years of combined experience in both private and public schools. Together with his colleague, Eric Haughton, he integrated behavior analysis, direct instruction, and precision teaching into a highly effective learning approach. Michael…
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#7 Clay Starlin - Incorporating Precise Measurement into Education
It’s an absolute honor to have one of the pioneers of precision teaching on the show, Dr. Clay Starlin. You’ll hear in this episode how he paved the way for teachers and disenfranchised children as he takes us on a journey through the profession that he has loved for nearly five decades of his...
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#6 Elizabeth Haughton - Pinpointing
Elizabeth Haughton is a highly recognized educational consultant, the Founder of the Haughton Learning Center, and recipient of both the ‘Lifetime Achievement Award’ and the ‘Our Teacher Award’ from the Standard Celeration Society. Elizabeth spent roughly 5 decades of her life helping children...
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#5 Elizabeth Haughton - Heart + Science
Elizabeth Haughton is a highly recognized educational consultant, the Founder of the Haughton Learning Center, and recipient of both the ‘Lifetime Achievement Award’ and the ‘Our Teacher Award’ from the Standard Celeration Society. She has been a precision teacher for more than 50 years and joins...
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#4 So Many Lessons, So Little Time
Dr. John Eshleman has dedicated his life to making our science successful for all. Standing in Ogden Lindsley's wish for the use of plain English in Precision Teaching, he has the ability to express complex scientific phenomena in understandable language. John joins us in this episode to discuss…
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#3 Dr Kim - The State of Play in ABA
In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Kimberly Nix Berens; a scientist-educator and Founder of Fit Learning. As she shares her story of how she found her way through Behavior Science and Precision Teaching, Dr. Kim also provides tons of anecdotes from her learning experiences with mentors, the...
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#2 Dr Abigail Calkin - An Extraordinary Life - Part 2
In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Abigail B. Calkin as she continues to share her extraordinary journey through Behavior Analysis and Precision Teaching, especially on her move to Kansas to earn a Ph.D. under the supervision of Ogden Lindsley. She also taps into some interesting parts of her...
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#1 Dr Abigail Calkin - An Extraordinary Life
This episode is part one of a two-part series featuring Dr. Abigail B. Calkin; a teacher, writer, and poet who has combined Precision Teaching and inner behavior in her work with adults and children. Abigail takes us back to her extraordinary journey through psychology and teaching, then to...
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#0 Standing on the Shoulders of Giants
In this bridging episode of The ABA & PT podcast (formerly known as The ABA & OT podcast), Mandy explains the podcast relaunch with the new direction— which is now centered around the journeys and discoveries of the giants in the field of Precision Teaching & ABA. RESOURCES Join The ABA and PT...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #22 Speech and the Standard Celeration Chart
Time constraints are making it difficult for behavioral therapists to analyze the data they’ve collected. Bethan's goal is to bring charting to people in order to help them produce an efficient and measurable output. Bethan Mair Williams has worked as a Speech and Language Therapist in the…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #21 The Trick to Writing ‘SMART‘er Goals - Part 2
This episode is a continuation of the previous episode featuring Liz Lefebre and Amy Evans, both highly acclaimed practitioners of Precision Teaching. They highlight a thinking process of how to get precise when writing your goals. Combining measurable data in the SMART approach, practitioners…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #20 The Trick to Writing ‘SMART‘er Goals - Part 1
This episode is part one of a two-part series featuring Liz Lefebre and Amy Evans, both highly acclaimed practitioners of Precision Teaching, as they discuss how to write more accurately measurable goals and their benefits. SMART goals are more overarching while precision teaching uses a more...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #19: Consequence is King!
The ABCs of behavior is an important tool to analyze whether a certain behavior is likely to happen again or not. The key here is that consequence matters. For OTs, it is possible to measure the effectiveness of interventions by hypothesizing and data-taking. Discussed today is the case of…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #18: Why Percent Correct Is Not Good Enough? with Rick Kubina
Using percent correct has become the industry standard in behavior analysis. Dr. Rick Kubina, CentralReach’s Director of Research and Professor of Special Education at The Pennsylvania State University, joins the show today to shed light on a more objective way of looking at data using precision...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #17: You Can‘t Improve What You Can‘t Measure
Taking data vastly improves the performance of both students and teachers alike. ABAs and OTs can determine the best course of action for increasing or reducing behaviors with data to back them up, while students also feel more motivated with their increased awareness. Discussed today are the...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #16: How to Play Nice in the Sandbox: Tips for Collaboration with Sasha Long
Today's episode features Sasha Long, BCBA and Founder of The Autism Helper. There are areas for improvement in the relationship between ABA and OT, so Sasha shares her experiences and tips to help make the work more collaborative and effective. The differences in approach between the fields of…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #15: How to Teach Spitting for Toothbrushing, Rinsing and Other Oral Care Skills
Spitting is a complex ADL that can be a real challenge to teach to kids in the spectrum. Especially when kids are nonverbal or have conditions like pica, ABAs and OTs have to use prompts as imitation and language are simply ineffective. They discuss the case of Andre and how strategies like TAG...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #14: Picking, Pulling, Biting: Addressing Habitual Behaviors
Habitual behaviors can be interruptive on a student's development. In this episode, Mandy and Adito discuss the case of Matt's detrimental nail biting and skin picking and the effective strategies they use to reverse it. Mandy shares her own struggles with nail-biting and her own personal...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #13: Challenging behaviors on Telehealth
Telehealth consultations have unique problems that are magnified when addressing challenging behaviors in kids. From distraction to motivation to parent training, we discuss the most common problems and tangible tips to improve student engagement. It is critical to first teach parents the basics…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #12: Promoting Independence Using Visual Schedules
One of the most effective ways to teach kids with limited skills is with activity schedules. These can be checklists or simple visual stimuli that allow kids to match activities to tasks that need completing. Recent studies reinforce its effectiveness and Mandy and Aditi's own personal…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #11: Shoe-Tying: Using Precision Teaching, Fluency and/or Video Modeling
Shoe tying is particularly tricky to teach to kids who are on the spectrum. This episode shares strategies to overcome obstacles in teaching this ADL, as well as adaptations you can use with students. Mandy and Aditi share the various component skills needed for shoe tying and the effectiveness…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #10: The Big 6
Teaching basic activities of daily living (ADL) to children with autism requires a more involved and understanding approach. This was the case with Sam whose progress in fluency was positively impacted by applying the Big 6 + 6. In the beginning, Sam exhibited many errors in component skills but...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #9: ABA & OT Collaboration on Fine Motor Assessment
Mandy and Aditi continue to examine Sam, a 9-year old client with autism with aggressive behavior. As OT's and ABA's have different assessment tools for fine motor development, this episode explores the goals and methodologies they use to improve Sam's fine motor skills. ABA tests range from...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #8: How to Collaborate When Challenging Behavior Is Getting in the Way - Shining the Light on Problem Behavior
Aggressive behavior in children can be a real challenge for therapists and family members. This episode examines the case of Sam, an extremely aggressive child, and the OT and ABA behavior strategies that worked and didn't work for him. Mandy explains how she began her collaboration with an OT to...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #7: The What and How of Evidence Practice
Evidence-based practice can be a touchy subject for ABAs and OTs alike. Dr. Josh Pritchard of the Lodestone Academy shares his insights on collaboration and the strengths and weaknesses of single-case design versus group-case design. Dr. Pritchard discusses the groundbreaking study that put...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #6: Childhood Sleep Struggles - The Bedtime Pass
Bedtime resistance and frequent night wakings are a source of frustration for many parents. This episode talks about the biggest mistakes parents make in establishing sleep patterns, as well as the Bedtime Pass, an effective intervention designed to address bedtime resistance. They also discuss…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #5: Sensory vs. Behavior: Addressing sleep issues in infants/ toddlers
Sleeping challenges in infants and toddlers, especially those with ASD, can prove debilitating to parents. Mandy and Aditi discuss sleep patterns and disorders and give two perspectives on this complex yet essential aspect of life. They share their personal experiences with sleep issues and…
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The ABA & OT Podcast #4: Sensory vs. Behavior - Do you see what I see? Early learning
ABAs and OTs look at early learning from two very different lenses. Mandy and Aditi define terms according to their sciences and give their insights on the case of Stella, a premature baby. They take a closer look at the sensory and behavioral aspects of early motor development and the roles of...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #3: Sensory vs Behavior Beginnings - Addressing Failure to Thrive in Infants
What is the impact of sensory and behavior on early survival skills? Mandy and Aditi begin with a case study on Aditi's son Tristan who was diagnosed with failure to thrive. Mandy and Aditi also refer to a behavioral feeding program where differential reinforcement was used alongside other...
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The ABA and OT Podcast #2: Why we can‘t we be friends?
Mandy and Aditi discuss why professionals from the two fields find it difficult to be friends. The hosts debunk the biggest myths of their practices and explain the reasons behind this stereotyping. They also perform a role-play and introduce the ABA and OT Ice Breaker that members from either...
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The ABA & OT Podcast #1: The Who, What, Where & Why of our Podcast
In this debut episode of The ABA & OT Podcast, Mandy and Aditi discuss the goals of the podcast which center on inter-professional collaboration, education on challenging behavior, and having conversations on the wealth of intersections between the two fields. Mandy tells the story of her...
About this show
The Mission of the ABA and PT Podcast is to record and document the work and journeys of major contributors to ABA and Precision Teaching, and thereby stand for incorporating standard measurement and the use of the standard celeration chart into our work and lives. Our pledge is to honour those who have dedicated their life to this field such that my daughter and those that need it, benefit from science and all our field has discovered, that is at risk of getting lost. And the bottom line is that we all need it.
Hosted by
Mandy Mason