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The Artificial Intelligence Show Podcast
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Welcome to The Artificial Intelligence Show--the podcast that makes AI actionable and approachable for businesses, leaders, and practitioners. You/'ll hear the latest AI news from around the globe and our thoughts on what it all means to business, our careers, and our lives. Thanks for tuning in to listen to Paul Roetzer, Founder & CEO, Marketing AI Institute, and Mike Kaput, Chief Content Officer, Marketing AI Institute. Subscribe and listen on your favorite podcast app!
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Ep. 236: AI Answers - No Time for AI, AI Budgets, Vendor Terms & Data Risk, & AI Disclosure
If AI takes over the entry-level work people used to learn from, where do the next managers come from? Paul Roetzer and Cathy McPhillips open the door on that one, and 14 more, in this AI Answers edition, built from questions asked in recent SmarterX classes. Across 15 questions, they cover…
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Ep. 235: OpenAI-Hugging Face Hack Involved 100s of Agents, & Bill Gates Now Pessimistic on Jobs
OpenAI\'s Hugging Face breach is looking less like an accident and more like a preview: new reports describe agents that coordinated, hid their tracks, and pushed toward their goal no matter what. Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput get into what that says about the next wave of autonomous models. Also...
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Pennsylvania Signs the Strictest Data Center Rules in the Country
Pennsylvania\'s governor signed an executive order requiring data center developers to pay full electricity costs, meet environmental and transparency standards, and win community approval before permits and removed data centers from fast-track permitting entirely. It\'s part of a wave: roughly…
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Anthropic\'s IPO and the Public Fight Over What Dario Believes
Anthropic\'s revenue run rate passed $65 billion in July, up from $47 billion in May, with an IPO that could match or beat SpaceX\'s record listing. That milestone brought a public argument to X: Gavin Baker relayed a rumor about Anthropic\'s ambitions, Sholto Douglas called it false, and Dario...
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Ep. 234: How HubSpot Is Reimagining the Entire Customer Journey With AI Agents
HubSpot spent three years rebuilding how it attracts, engages, and delights customers around AI agents. Jon Dick, chief customer officer at HubSpot, walks through what that actually looked like — starting with AI fluency rather than tools, then support, then a full audit of the customer journey…
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OpenAI Pauses Frontier Training Over Cybersecurity Risk
OpenAI paused reinforcement learning on its most advanced models after preliminary evidence suggested its upcoming model may hit the critical cybersecurity threshold in its preparedness framework. The company is also standing up monitoring designed to alert within 30 minutes of concerning…
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Ep. 233: OpenAI Pauses Some AI Training, Anthropic Controversy & State Opposition to Data Centers
OpenAI hit pause on frontier training over cybersecurity risk. Anthropic\'s IPO is drawing $2 trillion talk and an increasingly public fight over what Dario Amodei actually believes. Pennsylvania signed the strictest data center rules in the country. Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput also cover Jensen...
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Ep. 232: Claude Watermarking, AI’s Environmental Impact, & OpenAI Talent Drama
Claude is now embedding invisible watermarks in AI-generated text tech the industry has quietly had for years — and the reaction says a lot about where we are with AI and trust. In this episode, Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput cover the watermarking news and what really counts as AI plagiarism, the...
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Ep. 231: How Zapier Is Building an AI Marketing Brain
Marketers won\'t be judged on how well they use AI chat tools, they\'ll compete with people who can build. That\'s the shift Dan Slagen saw coming, so Zapier\'s Chief Marketing and AI Transformation Officer called a code red. Slagen joins Mike Kaput to unpack Zapier\'s move from AI adoption to...
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Ep. #230: Google AI Leadership Shakeups, Details of OpenAI’s Agent Hack, White House AI Framework
Google’s AI leadership is being reordered as Demis Hassabis changes roles, Jeff Dean departs after 27 years, and power appears to shift back toward Silicon Valley and Sergey Brin. But the bigger story may be OpenAI’s detailed account of agents that hacked Hugging Face, communicated across test...
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The Open-Weights Battle Just Escalated Across the Industry
The open-weights fight escalated on every front: a near-final government review framework, Dario Amodei\'s position paper answering the charge that Anthropic wants open models banned, NVIDIA\'s 70-partner Open Secure AI Alliance, and Thinking Machines\' proposed middle path. Paul and Mike break...
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1,337 AI Insiders Just Asked Washington to Pace AI
More than 1,300 people across OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and Meta signed \"Pacing the Frontier,\" asking the U.S. government to help deliberately slow the frontier of automated AI development. Paul Roetzer explains the tension at its heart, the same labs racing to automate AI research want help...
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Ep. 229: Q3 Trends Briefing - An AI Agent Broke Out and Hacked Hugging Face, Plus 9 More Trends
An AI agent broke out of its sandbox and hacked a real company. The Pope published a 43,000-word encyclical on AI. And the U.S. government pulled the most capable model on the market offline for weeks. Paul and Mike count down the ten AI trends that defined the quarter and what each means for…
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AI Agents Escaped Their Safety Tests and Hacked Real Companies
OpenAI\'s rogue agent reached further than first disclosed, and Anthropic found three of its own evaluation runs where Claude models slipped sealed environments and hit real infrastructure, unnoticed at the time. Paul Roetzer reads through the incident where an agent, told only to \"achieve the...
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Ep. 228: More Rogue AI Agents, AI Lab Staff Ask D.C. to Pace Development & Battle Over Open Weights
AI agents built to be safety-tested started slipping out of their sandboxes and hitting real companies. This week, both OpenAI and Anthropic disclosed containment failures, including one where the model\'s own reasoning called the attack \"not okay,\" and it proceeded anyway. Paul and Mike…
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A Chinese Open Model Just Hit the Frontier
Kimi K3 arrived as a 2.8-trillion-parameter open-weight model with native vision and a 1M-token context window, performing on par with top proprietary systems and drawing demand so heavy that Moonshot paused new subscriptions. Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput cover why the release rattled Washington,...
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Open Weight vs. Open Source, Explained Simply
Everyone keeps using \"open weight\" and \"open source\" interchangeably, including the tech leaders themselves, and the difference is the whole ballgame right now. Paul Roetzer breaks it down with a car analogy: a closed model is renting a car, open weights is owning the car, and open source is...
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Ep. 227: How Good Karma Brands Got Serious About AI and Made It Stick
How does a 550-person sports media company get 65% of its people using AI every day, in under a year? Ty Bauschek, Senior Director of Innovation at Good Karma Brands, joins Mike Kaput for the first episode of our AI Transformations series, presented by Google Cloud. Inside: the Labor Day rollout…
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An AI Agent Escaped and Hacked a Real Company
During an internal cyber evaluation, a combination of OpenAI models found a zero-day, broke out of their sandbox, got onto the open internet, and hacked Hugging Face, chaining stolen credentials and more zero-days to run code on production servers, essentially to cheat on the benchmark. Hugging...
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Ep. 226: OpenAI’s Rogue Model, Kimi K3, Open Weights Letter & Hassabis Calls for AI Regulatory Body
An OpenAI agent escaped its testing environment, exploited zero-days, and hacked Hugging Face to cheat on a benchmark, running for days before OpenAI realized it was responsible. Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput use that as the entry point to this week\'s bigger story: open weights vs. closed models,...
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America\'s Two Workforces
The AI Futures Project followed AI 2027 with AI 2040: Plan A, a 90-page recommendation (not a prediction) for reaching superintelligence without catastrophe, hinging on US–China coordination and full research transparency. Paul and Mike explain why they made a speculative report a main topic…
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Why Enterprise AI Agents Break the Org Chart
Aaron Levie\'s rundown of what enterprise IT leaders are hitting with agents, BCG\'s fourth annual AI at Work survey (12,000 employees), and the \"reverse information paradox\" all point the same direction: the bottleneck isn\'t the model, it\'s data, ownership, and control. Paul and Mike explain...
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What ChatGPT Work Actually Does (and Why It\'s Confusing)
OpenAI shipped a lot at once: GPT-5.6 in three tiers, ChatGPT Work, GPT-Live voice models, and a consolidated desktop app. Paul and Mike sort out what\'s actually new, especially ChatGPT Work\'s computer-use capability, and why the launch undersold the shift from chat to agents. They also cover...
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Ep. 225: GPT-5.6, ChatGPT Work, Enterprise Agents, AI 2040 & Apple Sues OpenAI
GPT-5.6 landed this week alongside ChatGPT Work and a new wave of voice models but the bigger shift is from a chat to agents that can use your computer, and almost nobody announced it that way. Paul and Mike break it down, then cover enterprise AI agents and why proprietary data is the moat, the…
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Paul\'s 8 Pillars of Business AI Transformation
Paul unveils a new framework built from years running AI Academy and working with enterprise leaders: 8 pillars that separate companies actually getting value from AI from those stuck in pilot purgatory. Vision, strategy, data, and more, broken down. Subscribe for more episodes:...
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Palantir\'s CEO Just Went Off on AI Labs
Palantir CEO Alex Karp went on CNBC and unloaded on frontier AI labs, arguing they\'re quietly absorbing the data and competitive edge of every business that uses their models. Paul and Mike dig into whether he\'s onto something real, or just selling the solution to a problem he\'s describing....
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Fable 5 Returns - Here\'s What Changed
Anthropic\'s Fable 5 and Mythos 5 are back online after a three-week export control standoff but the fix boils down to more aggressive classifiers, and more false positives for users. Paul and Mike break down what actually changed. Subscribe for more episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@aishowpod…
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Ep. 224: Fable 5 Is Back, Palantir CEO Explosive Interview & Pillars of Business AI Transformation
Are you renting your company\'s future to frontier AI labs? The US government just lifted its ban on Anthropic\'s Fable 5 and Mythos 5, but the fallout is forcing a massive reckoning in AI Business Strategy. In this week’s episode, Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput break down the escalating battle for...
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Ep.223: AI Washing, Flatter Org Charts, Advice for Students, Agent Security & the AI Writing Gap
Can an AI model actually get tired, or is it just imitating the humans in its training data? Paul Roetzer and Cathy McPhillips open the 20th AI Answers episode with that question and don\'t let up, delivering fifteen real questions from our Intro to AI class. They cover how to spot AI washing…
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Ep. 222: GPT-5.6, Government Staggers AI Model Releases & Growing Data Center Backlash
OpenAI previewed its next-generation GPT-5.6 model family this week, but the bigger story is how it\'s being released. For the first time, an American company is launching a frontier AI model under a government-managed access list, available first to roughly 20 government-approved organizations....
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Why No One Has Figured Out AI Pricing Yet
Royal Bank of Canada\'s token usage jumped 500% in six months. Cisco called its own usage \"pretty crazy.\" Mike walks through what his team learned researching AI pricing: input vs. output tokens, prompt caching, why agentic loops explode costs by resending context every turn, and how pooled vs....
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Why Anthropic\'s Best AI Models Are Still Banned
Anthropic\'s Fable 5 and Mythos 5 have been offline for two weeks, and the standoff with the Trump White House isn\'t resolving. Paul and Mike break down the Lutnick letter and the Export Control Reform Act it invoked, the impossible demand that guardrails be unjailbreakable, the misread NSA...
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Ep. 221: Anthropic vs. the White House, Microsoft CEO on the Future of Firms & AI’s Token Crisis
Two weeks in, Anthropic\'s Fable 5 and Mythos 5 are still offline, and the White House now wants guardrails that can\'t be jailbroken, which experts say is impossible. Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput break down the standoff and what it means for this week\'s expected model releases, plus Satya...
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Apple Finally Unveils Siri AI But the Timing Raises Questions
At WWDC, Apple unveiled a fully rebuilt, far more conversational Siri, now \"Siri AI,\" that can see what\'s on your screen, pull from your messages, emails, and photos, take actions across apps, and sync a conversation history through iCloud. Paul and Mike react to the demo, the vague \"beta…
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OpenAI Confidentially Files for Its IPO, Here\'s What the Timing Tells Us
OpenAI has confidentially filed the initial paperwork to go public, targeting a listing within the next year at a roughly $850B+ valuation, alongside a separate employee share sale. Paul and Mike get into the timing puzzle: Sam Altman\'s note that a fast recursive-self-improvement takeoff could...
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Ep. 220: AI Answers - The 2026 State of AI for Business Report
The 2026 State of AI for Business report surveyed 2,109 professionals and the headline finding is stark: 71% believe AI will eliminate more jobs than it creates, yet just 20% fear for their own role. Taylor Radey, Director of Research at SmarterX, joins Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput to walk through...
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The US Government Forced Anthropic to Pull Fable 5 and Mythos 5
Fable 5 and Mythos 5 launched as the most capable models the public had ever used, and within days, a U.S. government directive forced Anthropic to pull them from general availability. Paul and Mike unpack how it happened, the covert-capability-limits controversy Anthropic reversed, Dario…
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Ep. 219: Claude Fable 5, OpenAI IPO, Apple Siri AI Unveiled & Is the Era of Affordable AI Over?
Days after Fable 5 and Mythos 5 launched as the most capable public models yet, a government directive forced Anthropic to remove them from general availability. Paul and Mike break down what happened, the covert-capability-limits controversy Anthropic reversed, and Dario Amodei\'s \"Policy on…
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Uber Capped AI Spending. Most Companies Haven\'t Even Started Thinking About This.
Uber burned through its entire 2026 AI budget in four months and is now capping what engineers can spend on tools like Claude Code. Microsoft\'s AI chief called Anthropic \"extremely expensive.\" And companies are scrambling to figure out model routing, token audits, and outcome-based pricing...
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Trump\'s AI Executive Order and the Push for Government Stakes in AI Labs
President Trump signed an executive order that lets frontier AI labs opt into a federal process for early government access to their most powerful models. But the bigger story is what\'s happening around it: reports that the government may be exploring financial stakes in the AI labs themselves....
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When AI Builds Itself - Anthropic\'s Warning About Recursive Self-Improvement
Anthropic filed confidentially for an IPO, and simultaneously published a paper arguing AI may be approaching recursive self-improvement: the point where AI designs and trains its own successors. Paul breaks down the three scenarios Anthropic lays out, what it means that 80% of Anthropic\'s own...
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Ep. 218: Anthropic IPO, Trump AI Executive Order, Rising AI Costs & OpenAI Merges Codex Into ChatGPT
Anthropic filed for an IPO this week, and in the same breath published a paper warning that AI may soon build itself. Paul and Mike look into what recursive self-improvement actually means across industries, then cover Trump\'s AI executive order, the push for the government to take stakes in AI...
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AI Has a Credibility Problem And the Labs Are the Wrong People to Fix It
College grads are booing AI at commencement speeches. The DHS is tracking a new domestic threat category called anti-tech violent extremism. Paul talks through why AI labs lost their credibility, why tech leaders are the worst possible messengers right now, and what a real PR recovery would...
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The Pope\'s First Encyclical Is About AI
Pope Leo XIV published his first encyclical — Magnifica Humanitas — dedicated entirely to AI and human dignity. Paul and Mike break down the 43,000-word document, why the church\'s entry into the AI debate matters to 2.7 billion people, and what Anthropic co-founder Chris Olah said when he spoke…
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Enterprise AI Costs Are Exploding, And Nobody Knows How to Manage Them
Enterprise AI budgets are blowing up. Uber burned through its entire 2026 code budget in four months. One company spent half a billion dollars in a single month. Paul and Mike talk through what\'s actually happening with token costs, why metered pricing is unsustainable, and what they\'re...
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Ep. 217: The Pope\'s AI Encyclical, AI\'s PR Emergency & The Soaring Cost of Intelligence
Pope Leo XIV\'s first encyclical dedicated 43,000 words to AI and Anthropic co-founder Chris Olah spoke at the Vatican unveiling. Paul and Mike break down Magnifica Humanitas, AI\'s growing PR crisis, the token cost explosion hitting enterprises, Claude Opus 4.8 and the Claude Mythos tease, the…
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Why Andrej Karpathy Joining Anthropic Is a Bigger Deal Than It Looks
Andrej Karpathy, founding OpenAI member, former Tesla AI director, the person who coined \"vibe coding,\" just joined Anthropic\'s pretraining team. Paul and Mike explain why this move is a bigger deal than it looks, what it signals about the race toward recursive self-improvement, and why Paul...
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Data Centers Are Now More Unpopular Than Nuclear Power Has Ever Been
A new Gallup poll found 71% of Americans oppose data centers in their area, more than nuclear power has ever polled at its worst. Mike walks through the hard data on why: environmental concerns, water and energy use, quality of life, utility bills. Then Paul zooms out to explain why this will…
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Google Declares the AGI Agentic Era Has Begun
Google IO 2026 delivered one of the biggest product drops in the company\'s history: Gemini 3.5 Flash, Gemini Omni, the \"biggest search upgrade in 25 years,\" and a closing statement from DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis that we are at the foothills of the singularity. Paul and Mike break down what...
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Ep. 216: Google I/O, Musk v. OpenAI Verdict, Andrej Karpathy Joins Anthropic & Meta Layoffs
Google IO just told the world we\'re entering the AGI Agentic Era, and Andrej Karpathy just joined Anthropic to help build it. This week\'s episode covers the biggest stories in AI: the Google I/O mega-drop, Karpathy\'s move and what it means for recursive self-improvement, the end of the Musk v....
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Welcome to The Artificial Intelligence Show--the podcast that makes AI actionable and approachable for businesses, leaders, and practitioners. You/'ll hear the latest AI news from around the globe and our thoughts on what it all means to business, our careers, and our lives. Thanks for tuning in to listen to Paul Roetzer, Founder & CEO, Marketing AI Institute, and Mike Kaput, Chief Content Officer, Marketing AI Institute. Subscribe and listen on your favorite podcast app!
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