The Crone Codes Podcast

Host Joan Advent is joined by 3 seasoned Moms in this Mother’s Day roundtable discussion. Katie Fusco, Margaret Jacobson and Jade Orth join Joan in offering a candid and uncensored look at some of the traumas, expectations, unexpected challenges, surprises and profound gifts they each experienced in their transformational journey of motherhood. They come together as four Moms with 8 children (school age to late 20’s) between them. Initiated into motherhood at 18, 40 and in their 30’s they share about the impact of birth trauma, postpartum struggles and inconsolable crying, as well as the weight of expectations, self blame and self abandonment in activating their personal healing, transformation and spiritual awakening.The group names toxic maternal guilt, comparison culture, and “fixing” models of care, emphasizing grief, self-care, finding genuinely supportive community, developing and trusting our intuition, and long-game parenting.They close by celebrating their children as teachers and sharing their work in perinatal and infant mental health, women’s sovereign health and birth integration, and foster/adoption advocacy.Host & Creator Joan Advent, MSWjoanadvent.com Instagram: Joan Advent You Tube: @joanadvent7171Katie Fuscodescribes her working life as deeply humbling, for the past twenty years, she has been supporting babies, toddlers, children, teens and families, in the contexts of education, health care, fostering and hospice care. She currently works as a Specialist Perinatal and Infant Mental Health Practitioner for the National Health Service in England, and is also in the process of creating The Crying Clinic, her own private practice as an Aware Parenting Instructor. Katie stands for full, untethered and fierce emotional expression, in response to stress, trauma and grief.Contact Katie on Instagram: @thecryingclinicJade Orthis a heart-centered community builder and creative. She is a wife, mother of 3 and her passion is supporting and advocating for children and families as a foster and adoption specialist.Contact and follow Jade on Instagram at @jade_orth and YouTube at Case notes and CardigansMargaret Jacobson, MHA, MPAknown as The Mother Rising, is a mother of three young adults, a health creation mentor and the host of The Yin-care® Podcast.With a background in Psychobiology and Master’s degrees in Health Services Administration and Public Administration, Margaret spent years inside the medical system integrating other forms of medicine trying to “change” a broken system before transitioning to a path of “sovereign medicine.” Alongside her husband, Dr. Daniel Hudson, she co-stewards a health ecosystem including Yin-care®, YAO Clinic, and YAO Company. She is dedicated to helping women step out of medical indoctrination and reclaim their health through “womb wisdom,” functional medicine, and self-governance. Her most prominent work with women can be found at www.yincare.com. You can follow her on social media on IG: @yin_care, on FB, TikTok, YouTube, Substack and Rumbe: @yincare Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

It’s hard to imagine a gift coming to a mother through the tragedy of child loss. But when her son, Aksel James died at 6 and a half months my special guest, Alexandra Smith received a powerful and profound activation of faith from him. In our deeply moving conversation Alexandra shares, for the first time publicly, what she lived through following her son’s birth injury and subsequent terminal diagnosis.She shares the stories of the 2 “pits” she lived through - first facing immense pressure on her own during the initial days in the hospital and then 6 and a half months later immediately following Aksel’s death. Alexandra shares her story of hard won resilience through her return to God and Jesus that enabled her to emerge from those pits and alchemize her grief to found The Living Scroll School, a faith-centered community that supports over 200 women in deepening their relationship with God and walking boldly in their purpose. 00:37 Meet Alexandra Smith04:28 Easter Timing and Testimony06:03 Hospital Diagnosis and Faith11:34 Second Pit and Loss of Identity17:08 One in Four Child Loss21:11 Between Heaven and Earth23:59 Jesus Vision and Trinity26:20 What are our Gifts of Holy Spirit? 30:01 Message to Grieving Mothers32:09 How to Honor Your Grief34:27 How to Support Loss Mothers37:04 Everyday Devotion Matters39:20 Love After Child Loss41:49 Easter Reflections on Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene47:47 Women Obedience and Power50:30 Living Scroll School 58:09 Alexandra’s Closing Prayer for ListenersAlexandra’s Website: www.thelivingscrollschool.comSpecial Offer for Crone Codes listeners:~$400 off enrollment in the May 2026 SIGHT cohortUse: https://www.thelivingscrollschool.com/sight and include my name Joan from the Crone Codes in the “where did you hear of us” on your application.Living Scroll School Free Membership Access here: https://www.thelivingscrollschool.com/lssTranscriptJoan: Welcome back to the Crone Codes. I’m Joan Advent the resident, crone, the creator and the host. And I am deeply honored and delighted to invite Alexandra Smith to be with us today. Welcome, Alexandra. Alexandra: Thank you for having me. I feel so honored to, I’m not a crone yet, but I get to sit in your corner for today. Joan: Yes. Well, the way I see it, we really gather the codes of crone hood throughout the whole arc of our journey, and there are many profound codes that you do carry and embody already, which is why I wanted to invite you to be with us today. Yeah. And before I share, the wisdom, the beauty, the, the essence of Alexandra through her bio, I just. I just want to say, dear listener, that, I’ve spent the day preparing for this interview and I know that this will be a powerful and profound experience. And my intent is to, um, be here fully and with an open and undefended heart. And I invite you, dear listener, to do the same. So I wanna share as we do, the essence of who Alexandra is through her bio, and wanna invite you to just receive as you listen, the codes of what she’s bringing and, who she is. So I invite you to close your eyes. And to just let these words wash over you. Let these truths wash over you. So Alexandra Smith is a women’s mentor and she specializes in faith building and spiritual identity. She guides women to remember who they are as daughters of God, while awakening their God-given missions into thriving movements in the world. With over 10 years of experience, Alexandra has supported thousands of women in coming home to God and rediscovering who they are, and what they are called to do. She currently leads the Living Scroll School, which is a faith centered community that supports over 200 women in deepening in their relationship with God and walking boldly in their purpose. Welcome. Alexandra: Thank you. It sounds so special to hear that read back. Joan: Yes. Well, I think it’s really important that we have those moments where reflections are offered. The, the essence of who we are, and in particular, like how far we have come. And I, I know just knowing some of your story how far you have traveled. Alexandra: Thank you. Joan: To be living this mission at this time. Yeah. So this episode is coming out just a few days after Easter, and it’s not quite that time yet. We’re, uh, we’re in the season leading up to that. But it felt particularly important to have you come and join us at this time, in part because of the power of your testimony, the power of your story, and in particular your story, with your son, Aksel. Aksel James. And so I really wanna just invite you to just dive in to whatever extent you want to start. Share your story with us. Alexandra: Yeah, yeah. Thank you. It’s, I’m a big advocate for our stories being used by God, that there’s no coincidence, there’s no mistake that we walk through the fires that we walk through. And my whole mission is, is really centered around my testimony because if I could be a living example of God’s great work, then I’ve, I’ve done enough. And a prayer that I hold close to my heart is God, if I can only see your feet. Then I’ve seen everything that I need to see.Mm-hmm.And, and my story is really a testament to that. In 2023, my son passed away at six and a half months old just before he turned seven months. And he sustained a brain injury at birth when he was born. That was a terminal diagnosis and led me to where I am today. And so where I wanna start with my testimony is in the hospital with my son. At that point in time in my life, I wanna preface that God was not ministering to me the way He is today. I didn’t have that relationship. I, I thought I had a pretty solid relationship with God. But then when you’re put into the pit, you get tested and, and that was a really big ultimate test for me. And so to preface that God was not someone I called on at that point in time in my life. But I found myself in this room. It was three days after my son Aksel was born. We were rushed to the hospital, transferred over the ocean by helicopter, and landed at this brutal pit, uh, in, in Surrey, BC. And the next three days were just a blur. But I found myself in this room filled with 20 doctors, and I was just by myself because my fiance at the time was just trying to get over to the mainland because you have to book a ferry, all these things. So I was in the pit by myself without my son because he was down the hallway that I couldn’t be with him just yet. And these doctors sat me down and they told me the diagnosis. And it was 20 doctors just telling me all these things of he’ll. One, he has terminal diagnosis, so we don’t know how long he’s gonna live, but he’s never going to roll. He’s never gonna crawl, he’s never gonna be able to feed on his own. He’s gonna have respiratory problems. He’s gonna have, um, quadriplegic, cerebral palsy. So essentially no control over his hands or legs. He has trunk abnormalities, meaning he can’t hold himself up properly. All these things. And then they showed me the pictures of the MRI that they did, that showed that every part of his brain was damaged. And then I just remember them saying, can you repeat back what we just told you?And I tried everything in my power to try to put things together, and all of a sudden the Holy Spirit descended over me and the only words that I could say was, you don’t know what my God can do. And these doctors were just dumbfounded. They looked at me like I was a lunatic. And they essentially said, okay, you know, like you can leave now if you’re not gonna take this seriously we can’t do much about it. Which then proceeded into a CPS case of if I’m a unfit mother, due to my faith. I found myself in the pit, I wasn’t just fighting for my son’s life. And when I say fighting, I mean it. I had to yell at doctors that were trying to take him off life support. I had to fight nurses. I was by myself a lot of the time. And not only that, but I then had to fight for the custody of my child where they were trying to prove that I was not fit to care for him. Those days, now looking back on it, it was honestly one of the greatest gifts my son could have given me because I found God in that moment and I didn’t know who He was. I, I had no idea any of these, these forces that I thought were God or I thought could be my Creator, but just weren’t. And it wasn’t until I was put into that hellscape, into that pit that I became a daughter again. And what was so beautiful is after we left the hospital and we were brought to a hospice, we left the hospice, we got home Aksel started doing all these things that the doctors said he would never do. And it was, it was just a testimony to what I said in that room of, you have no idea what my God can do. And in the end, he was having a very hard time. It was very hard for everyone. And, and he did leave this earth with a huge impact. Mm-hmm. And then started the second pit that I was put into. Mm-hmm. And if, and I don’t want anyone to imagine this, but if for a moment, if you can imagine how your child is, your everything, and, and I wasn’t just a mother. I was a 24 7 nurse. I was 24 7, doctor. 24 7 caretaker. 24 7 wife. 24 7 mother. I had to be so much more than just a mom, which that’s all I wanted to be. But then when all that ends in a day. And it’s all taken away from you. Who am I? Because everything that I thought I was, was gone. Hence the second pit of hell that I had to walk through. And this is why I do identity work today. Mm-hmm. Of who are you? Everything stripped away just as a daughter of God. And in my grief, I had to remember that it was the first pit of the hospital and the hospice and fighting CPS that I discovered the power and the authority that God truly has over all of us. In the most glorious way. It’s not in an imprisonment way. And then the second pit was now this testimony of who I am as a daughter and, and discovering that and how I managed to get through that was pouring all the love that I wanted to pour into my son, into my work, into my clients, into my offerings, and, and so it, it was a command from God. It was, my son passed away in November, 2023, and it was June of 2024. I went back to work. How many months is that? Six or something? It, it was not planned and it was not forced in any way, but it was a call from God that if you don’t do something with this testimony, if you, if you don’t share this story of how you got out of these pits, your son died for nothing, then. It was just this remembrance of our stories hold so much more power than what we could ever imagine. And that’s where my work restarted at. Yeah.Joan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that’s just been a little over two years ago. Alexandra: Yeah. Aksel would be three in May. Joan: Wow. Yeah. And I’m assuming that when you were pregnant, you were having a normal pregnancy and you were just anticipating being a mom. Like there were no red flags or no concerns, or, Alexandra: Yeah, it was an easy pregnancy. No red flags, no concerns. Everything was great. It was the final minutes of labor that threw us into that pit. Yeah. Joan: Wow. You are not the first mother that I have sat with who has lost a child, and I just wanna acknowledge that. Mm-hmm. Because, um not, not everyone faces that, but in the, in the journey to Crone Hood, some of us do. I mean, some of us face the journey of motherhood and some of us face the journey of losing a child. Yeah. And to use that experience and, or I don’t even know if that’s the right word. It’s, um, to honor that experience and not have it be in vain or not have it be a beginning of the end, you know, to use it as we’ll, say ultimately like a resurrection moment, um, is a very powerful code. And it, you know, it is a code that you fought for that you stepped into, I, I know that God, or I understand that God came to you and began to work through you, but it, but it was you also putting in like an equal measure, or to whatever extent we can do equal measure of showing up and putting one foot in front of the other or being, you know, being willing or saying yes to what was being asked of you. Alexandra: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, do you know the statistic for child loss? Joan: No. Alexandra: It’s so one in four women will either experience a miscarriage, an infant loss, or a child loss in their life. That’s one in four. That means we place four women in a room. One, one of them is gonna have a story regarding the, the loss of a child, whether it was in womb, on earth, in adulthood. Yes. And it’s, it’s such a taboo topic that a lot of people don’t wanna talk about, but when it’s one in four, we need to bring conversation to it. And not only that, but if I’m, if I’m the one in the four, I need to be able to represent my testimony. I was raised by parents that they said, if you do anything, make sure it’s purposeful and that was my son. My son was my whole purpose. And so when that purpose changed, and I think a lot of women, whether you’ve lost a child or, or a loved one of any kind, when you lose that person, you’re all of a sudden living for them as well. And, and so I thought, well, if my son can’t live, I gotta live for him and I’m not going to live a mediocre, quiet life. You know, you get to know their personality. So well, just in six and a half months, like he was the goofiest, silliest, like such a humor. But he was also the one that if we were out on a walk or, or walking through the market or anything, like he was stopping people dead in their tracks. Like he was such a magnet. Like he was center stage all the time. Every like hospital visit or appointment, like the whole room would light up. And, and he’s going through the hardest time of his life and he’s giggling and, and he’s smiling. Like he’s just the goofiest little guy that I’ve ever met. And so when he left this earth, I was like, okay, I need to, I need to be that, I need to, I need to light up the rooms. I, I need to bring purpose and passion and, and presence to these spaces because he can’t do that anymore. I need to do it for him. Mm-hmm. And our testimonies really do that in our missions. Mm-hmm. When, when we step into that identity of what it means to be a daughter, you are that, that presence that moves those mountains for people. Joan: Hmm. Yeah. So that is, it’s quite an invitation to, to step into that essence of daughter. Alexandra: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Joan: And it, it seems that, , it has taken you deeper and deeper and deeper into what I would, I use the word devotion, but to your devotion. Uh, to your, just your, yes to being a presence and a, a force mm-hmm. For that. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. And as I understand it, because I have heard, parts of your story previously that, that in many ways you just described the ways that your son was, that was a presence, was a force in, in body when he was here. But that, as I understand it, you also had a sense of connection and just sense of that even bigger essence of who he was once he died. Is is that true? Alexandra: Yeah. Yeah. It’s so, I, I was trained to know the biology of children. I, I’ve worked with children for years and Mm-hmm knowing the spiritual biology was something so important, so. In my motherhood, I understood that my son would share a nervous system with me for the first seven years of his life. Mm-hmm. And I think any mom who’s ever lost a child, no matter what stage, when that child dies and leaves this earth, you go there to, and the best way I can describe this, and I think a lot of people shy away from the mysticism of death, but the best way I describe this is I have one foot in heaven or one piece of my heart in heaven at all times. And one foot or one piece of my heart on earth and the, the windows open. And I don’t know how to describe that better spiritually, but. It’s, it doesn’t take much for me to just be where my son is. To be here. And, and it feels like you’re just walking in between worlds for a very long time. And it’s taken a very long time for me to remember that I’m here on Earth, I’m not in heaven. I don’t wanna be in heaven just yet. God willing. Mm-hmm. Um, but to be sharing a nervous system and to be sharing that spiritual connection with your child who’s no longer here, you really do have that open psyche. You have that open doorway into those heavenly realms that, for me, I didn’t have. Really before my son, I was definitely gifted in different ways. Like my mom says, you don’t just lick it off a rock. We are gifted in many ways, but it was my son who really initiated me into the true like, gifts of God’s Holy Spirit. And it, it was just like having a part of me in heaven at all times. Joan: Hmm. And can you tell us what those gifts of the Holy Spirit are, as your experience of them? Alexandra: Yeah, absolutely. I feel like we need to start at the night my son passed. This might be edgy for a few people, but I always believed in Jesus. I saw Jesus as a man who embodied the Christ. Mm-hmm. So Christ and Jesus were separate in my mind for a really long time. Hmm. And when I look back to my son’s death, the very first thing that I saw when he passed was Jesus holding him. And the only command that I heard in that was, you won’t be able to get through this alone. I need you to lean on me. And it was just this call from the pit of, I need you to follow me. And it was, and then I ran away from that for a year. I’m not gonna pretend, it just like radically changed my life and everything was different. I ran away from that call. I taught and shared about God separate from Christ. I taught and shared about God separate from Jesus. And then it got to a point where I just couldn’t do that anymore because I was denying what my son showed me through his death. Was that their one? They’re Trinity, they’re not separate. And it was in that discovery of honoring that vision of what I saw. And what’s so interesting is in the moment of us discovering that Aksel had left, ‘cause it was like in the middle of the night, I just woke up to do his like 3:00 AM or 2:00 AM feed. Um, and he was gone. And the very first thing that my fiancé and I did was we just yelled and screamed to Jesus. Just this wave just comes over you, that when you’re in the pit, your identity knows who to call on. And that was where we found ourself was in the pit of despair, of hell, of death, of grief, depression, PTSD. All those things. And somehow spirit knew who to call on. Hmm. And it was, well then the sanctification process begins when you’re called by God. You just get thrown into the sanctification process. And this is where our gifts come to life. And the best way I could describe, we all have so many different gifts that the Holy Spirit gives us. And, and when I say Holy Spirit, I mean the connection of our spirit to God’s spirit is through the Holy Spirit. So it’s, it’s an unending connection. It’s not something outside of you that you need to do X, Y, Z to possess. It is this unending, undying. Unrelenting connection, our spirit to God’s spirit. And the Holy Spirit is where God streams our gifts into us. Because they’re gifts, they’re not birthrights. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I teach a lot about birth rights, but these are gifts. And anything with a gift, you can return it, you can denounce it, you can, if you’re not using it well, when we think of like a child, you know, they’re hitting their sibling with the gift that you just gave them, you’re gonna take it away. You’re not gonna let them continue to misuse their gift. That’s like our gifts. And so God really streams our gifts into our spirit through the Holy Spirit. And for me, the way that looks like is, is using my voice of sharing my testimony. Sharing Aksel’s story. ‘Cause he’s not here to do that himself. Uh, writing.Some people would call that like content creation or email marketing. But for me it’s the gifts of the Holy Spirit that I get to write, I get to share, I get to teach, I get to talk, I get to pray. So the gift of the voice is a really big part of what I’ve received from God in this. And, and the gifts of a platform. We all, you can look at all your different gifts, but all through this, this grief journey, God keeps giving me platforms to speak on. Like you inviting me to this podcast that is a gift from God that you’re allowing me to have this platform to share. Um, and, and my son being like the celebrity. My one friend, my one friend calls him the celebrity ‘cause I guess the way, I guess the way that she sees like him was that he’s now, he’s like famous. That just like everyone knows about him. And the story behind that is I was walking in a farmer’s market and this lady came up to me, she was like, oh my gosh, are you Aksel’s mom? And, and we all start kind of giggling because of course my son is like known like, I don’t know who this woman is, but she she heard my son’s story through someone else who knew my son, all these things. So we call him the little celebrity. And he’s had articles written in the biggest papers around the world, like The Guardian on him there. There’s this gift of platform is something that I can’t deny is that God will deliver us the stages to speak on. Um, and yeah, those are just my main gifts right now, the way that I can describe moving through grief and, and allowing God’s gifts to bless our life.Joan: Hmm. So if you could speak to the women who may be listening who have lost a child, whether recently, or, or in the long distance past, that are still feeling kind of stuck partly in that pit, uh, because we know sometimes that can happen. Is there anything in particular that, that you would share? Alexandra: Yeah, it’s, well, my biggest thing is, I kind of already mentioned it a little bit, but it’s, it’s, don’t let them die in vain. It, it’s, and I wanna say that with love, because it’s so much easier to stay in the pit. I wanna honor that it’s easier to let the grief consume you. It’s easier to let the depression happen. It’s easier to let the PTSD control your life and your movements and what you do every day. It’s easier to live in fear. But there’s this conviction that comes when you remember the one in four that out of four women, God chose you to be the one to bear this. And it’s not out of punishment. It’s not out of you did something wrong and you deserve to bear this. It’s out of reverence. And I used to hate this saying so much. My mom used to say it all the time, is God will only give you what you can handle. I used to hate it because I was like, God gave me a really awful deck of cards, You know. That I don’t love it. But my son taught me very quickly that this isn’t out of punishment. You’re not, you’re not someone who deserves to bear this. Mm-hmm. But you’ve been chosen to bear this. Hmm. And I would really just encourage anyone moving through loss of any kind to bear it with honor, because God wants to do something in your life through that grief. I don’t know what it is. And sometimes we don’t know what it is for decades, and then we, we enter the mission, the assignment. But to wear it with honor because out of the four women, you were the chosen one. And it’s not an egoic thing because we, anyone would agree with me. We don’t want to be the chosen one. No. But we’re with that, we’re invited to now step into something greater. And the other piece of advice I would also give is, is find a power verse in your pit to really find a prayer, a piece of scripture. For me, it’s scripture. But to really find a, something that roots you in that power. Joan: Yes. And what’s also coming to mind that that is, brilliant and helpful and to the three of the fourMm-hmm. You are embodying our worst fear. Absolutely. And so what do you say to the three in terms of Yeah. how to be with a beloved sister who might be in grief or loss. You know, how, how, how, ‘cause this it is, it’s like the, the, there is no worse loss. Alexandra: Yeah. Yeah, it’s people fear, people fear death in general. Mm-hmm. And, and with that, when you’re called to witness a mother in grief, you’re also being given an assignment that is very great. And I’ve lived through what it felt like for many people to abandon me in that, because people with death, the, the fear underneath death is, is people fear God. HmmBecause when you, when you are a mother who has lost their whole life due to child loss, you are also, it says that God is closest to the brokenhearted. And Christ says this all the time, is I’m closest to the brokenhearted. You, you become this vessel that is now closest to God that is triggering for so many people. That is upsetting. That is a mirror that we don’t wanna look in. That is a reflection that we don’t wanna have. All these things. So I understand with pure compassion why people choose to leave. It’s the easier route. And, and I’ve done it, even post grief. I found myself leaning out of spaces that God was calling me into regarding that one in four. And they’re such humbling moments because just like the one is the chosen one, the three are equally chosen and loved. And I wish I could interview my best friend right now on how she, on how she did it. ‘cause I don’t know how she did it. I don’t know how she supported me so well other than just leaning on God and knowing that it is devotion again. So the three you are being called to devote, to supporting mothers, to supporting women, to supporting God’s plan. And one of the questions I get all the time, well what, what does that look like? And I can’t tell you exactly what it looks like, but. The everyday just becomes so hard and, and to know. I think especially, I think a lot of women who listen here are pretty gifted and spiritual in many ways. So we think of like the big things of, well, like how can I do a grand gesture? How can I do something big for these women? How can I be in the highest embodiment of devotion in this grief? God builds movements from subtleties and, and small assignments. So when it comes to devotion, whether you’re the one, whether you’re the three, it’s the everyday devotion that counts the most. That’s what adds to the incredible long-term success of a mother surviving it or a mother building a platform on it, or a mother. Uh, I see. I connect with loss moms all around the world. There’s mothers changing the whole medical system through their grief. Mm-hmm. There’s women doing powerful, life changing, world altering things through their grief. And behind that one are the three supporting them to get there. But it’s the every day of cook her meals, bring her flowers, change her sheets, do her laundry. I remember my sister flew in and she spent a whole week just cleaning my house and just doing everything she possibly could that I didn’t have energy for. I had friends that were dropping off like full cakes of just like, you need a cake right now. Eat it. All these things. And then when I amount my mission success today of what it means to be successful in my grief all I can see is all those women that were folding my laundry, cleaning my toilets, bringing me cakes, praying over me, writing cards, making art, all the things that really counted. Anytime I look back to those three, I just think of the everyday devotion that we, we usually don’t lean into ‘cause we think it’s not enough. And I wanna say it is enough. Uh, it’s actually what you will remember the most. Joan: Thank you. And I’m, I’m pulled in two directions because I, I do wanna talk with you about, Jesus and his mother, his mother Mary. But before we get into that, I, I am inclined to just ask. Just based on your experience and having a partner, you’re, you were walking through that with I, I know that that can be the end of a lot of partnerships and relationships, the loss of a child. So is there anything that you wanna name regarding the partners of the chosen ones? ‘cause they have been chosen in their own way. Alexandra: Absolutely. I, yeah, I, I always cry in reverence to the men that have to go through this because it’s so different from what the women go through as like the protector and the provider. And the biggest thing that changed my life was, my best friend told me one day, you are gonna want to pour everything into Aksel God’s asking you to pour everything into your man. And when it comes to love in loss, it really is a choice. Because it’s hard and you, you really do need to make more effort in that devotion ‘cause you’re not gonna wanna do it. Or you’re gonna wanna be mad at each other or you’re, you know, you’re gonna wanna not talk about things. People also grieve so differently. The way I grieve is very different to the way that my partner grieves and, in, in his fatherhood after loss. But I always share regarding union, it’s such, it’s a choice to love someone. Mm-hmm. And, and that choice is a devotional act in itself. And, and God says when, when you get married to become one. So. That one, that one flesh and that one spirit. His grief is yours, his pain is yours. His hurts are yours. His habits that you might not agree with in, in his grief, they’re yours as well. And to, to not run from that ‘cause I think that’s a really easy thing to run from, but to lean into it. Joan: Hmm. Yeah. Thank you. So, as I said, in part when I reached out to you, just the inspiration that you were meant, your episode was meant to come out at this time of Easter. And just knowing what I know of Aksel’s story and your story and having a connection to Mother Mary and her being the one in four. just whether, just hearing your reflections about that, welcoming you to share your reflections or if that has felt like a source of support for you or anything you wanna share. Alexandra: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I’m really excited for this Easter ‘cause it will be my first Easter that I’ve been baptized in Christ. Mm-hmm. So that is just all new territory for me. But what I wanna speak on this with, with Jesus and Mother Mary is there, there is always someone who comes before us. So before we walk through everything, before you walk through trial loss, before you walk through marriage, there’s always someone who has walked before you in that. And I call them forerunners. Mm-hmm. So there’s someone who has prepared the way already. And when we look to the life of Jesus, John the Baptist, prepared the way for his ministryMm-hmm. by baptizing Jesus. That was like the jumpstart of his ministry and, and his public ministry and his work on earth. And then when we look to Mother Mary, she’s the forerunner of child loss because I can’t even imagine, what it would be like to love someone for 33 years and lose them. I wanna honor that’s different than loving someone for seven months and losing them. They’re. Not only that, but the weight of what she must have felt being the mother to the son of God. Like that’s not it. Not just a casual task, but there’s something that is so devotional in the story of Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. Mm-hmm. Regarding Jesus’ death, resurrection, and ascension is they did not leave his side. They devoted themselves, and this is how Mary Magdalene specifically became the first apostle is all the men. They left when Jesus died. They were like, okay, so he wasn’t the son of God, like he was just lying. Oh, like he, he was a phony. They left. They go on their merry way. They’re probably grieving and very upset. But the women did not leave his side at all. And, and Mary Magdalene became the first apostle for that, her obedience. And so when we talk about Mother, Mary, and Jesus and Easter, there is this thread of obedience in our devotion that is unmatched. It’s Mother Mary’s ability to be obedient to God. Like when you think about when Jesus was conceived, this was a no-no, she wasn’t married yet, like they were spitting on their names, but, and it, it was also a free willed choice of God’s. God said, this is what I’m gonna do. Your thoughts? She, she said yes, and she praises God for what he wants to do for her. And her yes, we were talking about like our yeses. It was Mother Mary’s obedience in her yes that brought God in the flesh to this earth to change us from where we were in this awful descension of, I don’t even wanna name the ungodly things that we were doing at that time. But we were devoting ourselves to false deities and false gods and false prophets. And we were doing things that you see coming to light today was exactly where we were 2000, over 2000 years ago. So, but Mother Mary’s Yes, was the perfect opportunity for God to work in her, to bring us from a descension to an ascension again. Joan: Right. On behalf of all of humanity. Alexandra: Absolutely. Yeah. Joan: Yeah. So that’s quite a, a big yes. And I was struck by, you describing Mary Magdalene and Mother Mary being there with the body, and I’m remembering that they were, you know, they were tending the body. They were anointing the body. And I, I think that there is something in particular about us as women and as mothers. Mm-hmm. Where, because we in many ways are the primary caregivers for the bodies Yeah. Of our children in those formative years. And there’s something, that feels very precious and meaningful about that, that they chose to do that. That we as women absolutely choose to do that are tasked with that, the blessing of that. Alexandra: Yeah, there’s, there’s something so special about being a woman because our devotion is so different to men that it’s like, we are not the same. I am, I am against all movements that try to make us the same as men. We are not. And, and with that, what’s so beautiful is God could have come in any form. God could have just snapped fingers and appeared for the whole world to then be instructed. Mm-hmm. But God chose to arrive and change the world through a womb because of her obedience and devotion. And that is something that I find we, we brush over a lot of the times. Is God could have done anything to change this world from a descension to ascension, but chose to utilize a womb of all things to deliver that to this earth. And not only that, but chose the women to care for the body to be the first witnesses of the resurrection. And, and to become the first apostle, like the very first apostle was a woman like there. I believe that men and women, we are elevated in different ways. And, and one of the ways that we are elevated as women is through our devotion and, and our obedience. It is a lot easier for women to obey God than it is for men. Men are a bit typically stubborn and hardheaded. Like, I don’t want another man ruling over me, whatever it is. They get territorial. Joan: You’re not the boss of me. Alexandra: Yeah. And of course, I mean, I’ve been like that as a woman as well, but, there’s this beautiful nature that we have in our devotion through our obedience. Joan: Mm-hmm. So there’s so much more I would love to unpack with you. Yeah. And I just related to the ways that we’re wired, I know I, I wanna give you the opportunity to share about the work you do and Just, it’s, this seems like the natural segue of your speaking about the ways that we’re wired as women and the gifts that we bring and when we are on a, a God led mission, what that can look like. So would you like to share about your school and your programs? Alexandra: I would love that. Yeah. I, I am here to serve the women with those missions on fire. We all have them. And, and speaking about our obedience and our devotion, God has bestowed assignments on us that are gonna change this world. Like the mothers I see changing the medical field, changing, um, the way that we tend to miscarriages, the way that we tend to death, and then becoming moms or becoming wives, building schools, writing books. I get to see it all happen, which is a great part of my service is to see these women in those fields doing this assignment of God. But the one thing that is so important is that we’re not meant to walk the assignments alone. We’re not meant to try to make it all happen ourselves. And one of the biggest questions we have as women is, who am I and what am I here to do? Hmm. Those are the two biggest questions that we have. And those questions change every chapter of your life. Mm-hmm. That question, that answer to that question is different in your twenties than it is your forties. In your forties as it is your sixties. And this is what the Living Scroll school is. It’s to tend and hold and devote to these women of being successful in your mission. But in order to be successful in our missions, we have to remember who gave us that mission in the first place, and it was our Creator. So, The school, the Living Scroll School, we partner with God in everything that we do. And there’s women from all different backgrounds and faith and teachings that come here because we remember that at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is when we die, are we gonna hear the words, “my good and faithful servant”? Or are we gonna hear the words, “turn from me for I do not know you”? And death, like losing my son that put everything in perspective. And something I just wanna share for women as I speak about these offerings too, is that God didn’t say my good and faithful, CEO or my good and faithful mother, or my good and faithful astronaut, God says, my good and faithful servant, period. The way that we are called to serve is in so many different capacities. You may be called to serve in marriage. You may be called to serve in children. You may be called to serve in spiritual based offerings. You may be called to serve as a world renowned chef or a bestselling author. But this school is here to build that relationship with your creator, to partner with your creator in your mission, and then to bring you along those thresholds with God at the center so that you can see the success that God has written in your mission. And we do that through two different avenues, we have the membership at the school and there’s different tiers in the membership. We have a free membership that I’d love to invite all the women into. $0. We, we come together monthly and, and we kind of sprinkle in some webinars here and there. But there’s different tiers in the membership that just support the level, of support that you need. And then the other avenue is through my signature offer called Sight, which is a 17 week intimate journey. No more than 25 to 30 women where we walk through the thresholds that God has for us in our missions together, where we remember who we are as a daughter of God, where we remember how to pray. We remember how to purify our vessel. We, we learn how to heal the access points or the hurts, the hangups, the habits that are keeping us from that success and, and all the things in between. Um, and there’s, yeah, there’s just a lot of miracles that happen in that space that I can’t, I can’t even put words to. But it is, it’s an intimate path with God. Joan: Hmm And you have a very generous offer for our listeners, a discounted offer for Sight. So all of those pieces I’ll put into the show notes as well as your social media, because you are, you’re active on Instagram. Alexandra: Yes. Yeah. You can find that you on Instagram. Instagram mostly.And then the free membership is, is where I’m able to do all the unfiltered videos, content, and things that the Metaverse doesn’t love. Joan: Yeah. So to close I heard you say that the school, the Living Scroll School and Sight are not exclusive to women who are perhaps grounded in Christianity or grounded in a scriptural path. And I know sometimes because there have been wounds related to different words being used, so I want to give you the chance to reiterate or clarify that Alexandra: I would love that. Joan: all paths to God are welcome. Alexandra: Yes, absolutely.I always say as soon as I say Jesus, I’m usually automatically misrepresented in so many ways by the things that fallible humans have done in that name. Yes. And, and yeah, our school, our like faith disclaimer is that we are centered on God through Christ, but that doesn’t take away if you have any different views, beliefs, and versions. At the end of the day, we all go to, we all have to die. We all have to, we all have to go to the final destination. And we are all daughters of the most high. And, and this is our school. There’s so many different people that, that have different faith and belief and views, but they understand that I’m a daughter of God and in order to find the success that I have, that God has placed on my heart to find, I need to partner. I, I need to, to place him at the center. So we welcome all faith, all background, all the things. The only, the only prerequisite is that this whole school is it’s for women only. Yes. Yeah. So you’re a woman. That’s your check. Joan: Yeah. So one of the things that I have always appreciated about you, Alexandra, is the resonance and the power of your prayer. Yeah. Thank you. So I wanted to offer you, if you’re willing Yeah. An opportunity, a space to just share a prayer for our listeners. Alexandra: I would love that. Yeah. Yeah. So if you’re able to, we can gently close the eyes, just taking a few breaths into the belly. God, I pray. May you bestow a hedge of holy fire around every single listener, around every single woman that tunes into this episode today. That you can just hold her in your loving arms and your loving embrace that this hedge of holy fire is your protector. That anything that wants to get to these women have to go through you first God. And in that God, I just pray that may you reveal yourself to these women. God may you show who you are as their Creator. And through that, I also pray, God, may you deliver them the gifts of your Holy Spirit to deliver them, the voice, the platform, the abilities, the masteries. Everything that you have awaiting them, God, may you bring those, bring them through these thresholds that you are calling them upon. And God, I just pray that each and every woman today can know that they are never forgotten nor forsaken, that even if they walked through the pit of despair, grief, addiction, divorce, infidelity, et cetera, whatever pit you’ve placed us in, God, I pray that you deliver each woman the strength, the obedience, the devotion, to know that there is far more left in life than just sitting in that pit that you can help each and every one of these women out of whatever pit they find themselves in. That God, I just pray that you can descend your hand to their hand and lift them up. Lift them out that you can minister to them, God that speak to their heart. Let yourself be known to each and every woman here, that you God, are the ultimate sovereign authority that you, God, are our protector, our healer, our provider, our nurturer, that you God, hold such paternal and maternal instincts, and that we can all today begin to receive those gifts, those blessings, those anointings, and through that God may you deliver us our assignments and so we pray in Jesus’ name. Amen. Joan: Amen. Okay, thank you. And thank you for being here with us today and sharing generously your testimony. Yeah, thank you. Your story.Alexandra: Oh, that’s such a, it’s such a gift and, and it felt important that your podcast gets to be the first to hold that. So I really, really appreciate that. Joan: Hmm. Thank you. I didn’t realize that. It’s my honor. Yeah.So I also wanna thank you, our dear listeners for joining us today. So delighted to have you, and I wanna offer you the reminder. Whether you are making ripples in your life or big ass waves, that you are love and you are loved.Mm-hmm. Until next time. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Resident Crone, Joan Advent brings listeners into vivid memories of being held by the crystalline waters of Bimini and within the vast, indigo depths off the Caymans. Using these experiences she reveals water as a means back to our innocence, wholeness and true nature. Sharing excerpts of scientist, Masaru Emoto’s foundational research on how words and intentions influence water’s crystalline structure she explores the concepts of water as an imprintable, memory keeper, healing agent and reflection of the waters within us. She highlights researcher Veda Austin’s crystallography experiments using her “Collective Molecular Photography” freezing technique, to explore the consciousness of water and its ability to express create recurring “hydroglyphs,” and express plant “potential”. Joan then turns to practical hydration, health and the importance of consuming structured water as described by Dana Cohen, MD in her 2021 book, Quench. She closes with reflections on Lourdes, the healing property of water and a prayerful blessing for listeners’ inner waters.00:52 Bahamas Water Memory03:16 Water Code Theme04:43 Masaru Emoto Water Imprints09:01 Veda Austin & Hydroglyphs14:11 Ocean Depths and immersed in Blue20:05 Hydration and Structured Water26:21 Springs, Lourdes, Healings30:22 Blessing and ClosingWater Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeThe Hidden Messages of Water by Masaru EmotoThe Living Language of Water by Veda AustinQuench: Beat Fatigue, Drop Weight, and Heal your Body Through the New Science of Optimum Hydration by Dana Cohen, MD and Gina BriaDown to Earth with Zac Efron Season 1 Episode 2Additional Resources: Find A Spring Near YouVeda Austin Transcript Welcome to the Crone Codes.I am your host, the Creator and resident crone, Joan Advent, and I don’t know about you, but today I could use a little lightning up, a little lightness of being.So I just wanna, I wanna circle back to a memory from a few years ago when I was in The Bahamas. I had created a dolphin retreat and it was a warm, sunny morning and I was at the beach with a few of the women who were on the retreat and we were in the water.And the thing about the Bahamian waters is oh, they are so crystalline blue, and white powdery sand, and the clarity and the color of the water is spectacular. And I remember lying back and it was still, it’s still early in the day and there is just this iridescent quality to the water.It’s got shimmery gold and silver and pinkish hues along with the blue. And I’m just lying back, letting this warm salt water hold me and buoy me up.Perhaps you can even feel the sensation. As I describe the memory. The sun was beaming down. Mm, the air was fresh. There was a jubilant energy between us as we were there gathered together. Just remembering that play, like the capacity to play, just feeling that young one within that just loves being in the water, being on the water’s edge, just all the things about water.And so today we’re gonna talk about the crone code that is the water code. We are gonna touch on it in many different ways. So, I’m so glad you’re here with me today. And I’m so delighted to share one of my favorite things with you. Which as you approach the crone years, and certainly I invite you to do so before then.One of the gifts is that we get to reclaim the joy, reclaim the, uh, we’ll say innocence of those things that light us up, as quirky as they may be, as odd as they may be. We get to own it. We get to share it with others. I don’t know about you, but one of my favorite things is sharing really cool stuff. And the cool thing I want to share with you today is some of the mysteries and the magic of water.Hmm.So you may or you may not be familiar with the work of Dr. Emoto and his research from the nineties. Dr. Emoto was a Japanese researcher who began to explore water through a type of crystallography, and he was looking at the influence that words have on water. And he discovered that when water is placed in a vessel with, we’ll say, a positive or uplifting word.The crystals that are created are these beautiful structures, and in contrast, if a word that is heavier or we’ll say, uh, just discordant like a word, like hate or something like that, that the forms that the water crystals make are, they’re malformed, they are not, they’re not balanced.They’re not pure. They, they are distorted. And part of what we’ve learned coming out of Dr. Emoto’s research. Is that water is imprintable, that we can imprint the waters we consume, the waters that we see in the, the rivers, the lakes, the waterfalls, the ocean that we can express our intentions, our words, our prayers, we certainly all know about holy water.I grew up in a tradition where water was blessed and we would bless ourselves with that holy water when we attended church. And the truth is, is that water we have discovered is actually that water is a memory keeper. That everything that water touches is imprinted in the water. So whether it’s the stones that the stream is bubbling over, or the sunlight or the thunderstorm that those experiences are imprinted in the water.And similarly words, prayers, intentions are imprinted in water as well. And that goes for the waters within us because we are ultimately a body of water. We are a watershed, as they say. And a big piece of Dr. Emoto’s work was how to interact with our own waters. So whether it was being conscious of the words that we say to ourselves, knowing that the waters within within us will be imprinted or specifically imprinting, as I said, whether through written words or spoken words, blessings over the waters that we consume and ingesting our prayers, our intentions, certain frequencies such as love or gratitude or empowerment through the waters that we drink.And fast forward to modern day and there’s new research happening. There is an incredible researcher, a woman named Veda Austin, who has written a book, it’s The Living Language of Water. And there are a couple of things that she has discovered in her research. She also explores crystallography, she puts an influence into a Petri dish with a small amount of water in it, and then freezes it in her freezer for a few minutes and then brings it out, photographs it, and has come to discover a couple of things through that.She has been at the leading edge of discussing the consciousness of water in a couple of ways. One, she describes that water can read potential and how she has demonstrated that is using her unique freezing technique. Which is something we can all learn and experiment with. I have done some of that myself.It’s quite fun. But what she has discovered is if she takes a seed, for example, the seed of a sunflower, and she places it into the water for 30 seconds and then removes it, puts the water into the freezer. What the water has, expressed through the ice, through the crystallography is the image of a sunflower blossom.She also has done this with flax seeds and discovered the images of flax plants, flax flowers, so that’s just one piece. But her research has begun to uncover that there are certain symbols or images that water appears to be using to communicate, and she calls these hydro glyphs. And they are particular symbols or images that have been replicated 50 times. So the same symbol has appeared 50 different times in order for her to confirm that water is indeed using that symbol as a means [00:12:00] of expression. So if you’re, if you’re interested in this kind of thing, I strongly encourage you to follow her on Instagram, she may also be on Facebook, and she has a documentary coming out soon.But so many amazing and fascinating things that this water that is a substance we take for granted, which it truly is like the building block of life. Like we couldn’t, we couldn’t exist. We wouldn’t be here on the planet, were it not for water. I, I just wanna invite you to remember, or to discover that it is this sacred substance.It is this sacred substance that actually has consciousness, that holds consciousness. And as I said, for me, that gives me hope. There’s so many intense things going on these days in the world, but remembering, remembering the presence of the natural world and the consciousness it holds. In particular this element of water for me, it just gives me hope.It gives me hope that that we can come back to the essential nature of who we are just by coming back to the simplicity, To the beauty, to the magic of this powerful element. I think about being, I remember being in Iceland and watching the waterfall and the way that it just keeps flowing and flowing and flowing.I remember floating in the vastness of the blue of the Caribbean, both on my recent dolphin trip as well as as a scuba diver. And on one particular day, a diving along a wall off the coast of the Cayman Islands. And descending down the side of the wall and looking at all the, the coral and the fans and these little cracks and crevices where these creatures were hiding out. These lobster and little shrimp and tropical fish, and then the bigger fish is just so colorful and beautiful. But the thing about it is that the deeper you go into the sea, the shorter light rays, the reds, the yellows, the oranges, they, they dissipate, they disappear, which is why the water is blue. And at depth. I remember being at 60, perhaps 60 feet, 70 feet, and for a moment I turned around and looked at the vast blue where the wall and the ocean floor dropped off, and I just swam straight into that blue vastness. This deep indigo blue. I was suspended in it. I was surrounded by it. I was bathed in these blue waters. It was the most magical experience. And I didn’t, I didn’t wanna turn around while I, I knew that right behind me were my fellow divers and the wall. And of course, my way back to the surface was all behind me. But for those few moments, I dwelled in this magic, this magical blue womb. This magical blue cocoon just filled my spirit and my soul.And actually I was inspired to purchase a ring, a tanzanite ring. Which was the remembrance of that experience. Because the color of the tanzanite, which I believe I probably saw in some stores while we were there back on the, on the Cayman Islands, was precisely the color of that water. And of course. Water holds vibration, it holds resonance and it holds color frequency.So there was something medicinal in that frequency for me, and as I return to that memory, it comes back to me. So I invite you to consider your own memories with the water perhaps. Watching the waves playing on the shore with the, the frilly fluffy sea foam or the creeks or the lakes, whether it’s the color of the water, the texture.Maybe it’s slipping into a warm bath. Just wanna invite you, or maybe it’s being in a warm summer rainstorm. Just wanna invite you back to your own memory with the waters that you can appreciate. Maybe it’s standing and just looking at the waters from afar. You may not be as into getting into the waters as I am, so whether it’s observing or it may be a beautiful snowstorm, the crystalline nature of water, just take a moment to consider the beauty of water.And how that can touch you today.Hmm.So the other piece I want to share with you and talk with you about is the concept of hydration, which is a very practical subject because the fact of the matter is, is that the aging process is really a dehydration process and that we as humans in this day and age with our lifestyles are naturally dehydrating.So one of the things I have been exploring these last few years, because I have been really on a, uh, passionate quest to open to the wisdom and the mysteries of water.And what I have discovered in part through reading a book called Quench, that teaches about hydration from a health standpoint.It, illuminated something I had heard about previously, which is this concept of the fourth phase of water or structured water, it’s known as structured water. And again, there has been research done where water can inhabit a state. Its molecular state can go from the traditional H2O to H 3 0 2. Which is this form of water.So we know about the three phases of water, water as liquid, water as solid, water as vapor, but there is this other phase of water, the fourth phase called the structured phase, which which has a different molecular composition. And they have discovered that the waters within us are actually structured waters, the waters that optimally hydrate us, the waters that can be absorbed and received most readily are structured waters. And I have learned and discovered through this book that it’s not about the eight glasses of water that we’ve been taught, uh, to optimize our hydration. There are so many other facets. There are the facets of, is the water structured? Does it have mineral content? Of course there is the issue of the purity of the water.But so much of what has been done to our waters, including the bottling of them, takes the living nature, the living quality out of the water. It turns it into bulk water, or even distilled water is something that’s known as dead water, meaning that it has no mineral content. Left within it. And while it may have nothing else within it, it’s not something that will optimally hydrate us.And the fact of the matter is, is that hydration can be optimized through foods we eat. They have discovered that fruits and vegetables contain structured water. So if we drink eight ounces of water in the morning and we consume something like an apple, for example, which has quite a bit of structured water in it, that we will be more hydrated then if we drink two glasses of water.There is something about the, the structuring of it and the way that we ingest it that optimizes our hydration and enables us to carry that through the day. And so much disease is rooted in dehydration, whether it’s inflammatory issues or diseases or other diseases, that if we are optimally hydrated.Because it is our system’s way in part of flushing out our system, purifying our system, those things can resolve themselves. So I do wanna recommend if you’re interested in learning more about hydration, either reading or listening to the book, Quench.The other piece that I love that was illuminated in this book is that movement and in particular organic fluid movements of our joints help with the hydration process within us.So in a way, we’re being invited to move like water to flow, like water, to optimize our hydration. And the waters within us were being invited to commune with our waters.Hmm.Water for me has felt like a teacher.Joan: So the final piece I want to share with you is an epiphany I had when I was watching a series that Zac Efron had done. I think, Down to Earth or something like that. They did a whole episode on water. And for part of that episode they were looking at springs, which I do wanna give a big shout out for Natural Spring Water because it is naturally structured water and there are, so many things about springs that are being uncovered. So if you can access a spring or spring water, I highly recommend it. We are fortunate enough to have a spring here locally, and so I do collect water there regularly to consume, and as I said, it is naturally structured water.But one of the things they were talking about in the show was, looking at the different mineral content of different kinds of, spring water.But part of what they did is they went to Lourdes in France, they did the whole episode in France and the French, they are on top of it with water. Apparently in Paris, they have these amazing water fountains that are, that would put a traditional, like you can go and fill your water bottle. And the way they purify their water is, is just above and beyond there, in Paris.But anyway, I digress. They were in Lourdes. And they were exploring the healings that have taken place in Lourdes over the past century or centuries. And I realized, I realized that that is in part the nature of water. That it’s not just the waters that happen to be in Lourdes, although they certainly are imprinted with that healing capacity or that matrix just by virtue of all that has occurred there, all the, the faith and belief and, the presence of of Mother Mary there at Lourdes. But that all water has that same capacity, all water in its optimal state. Has that potential, has that capacity. Just like us, just like us as humans, like water can be such a reflection of that.We can be distorted and you know, in a, a lower vibration in our lives and what we’re pursuing and how we are expressing who we are as beings and what we are creating in our life. Or we, there’s the whole spectrum, and then we have this amazing capacity to be our most full expression of who we are in, in our sacred expression of the divine blueprint of who we are in our essence.And water shows us that. And as I said, we are a body of water. We are a unique watershed.Oh. So as we bring this to a close today, I am imagining that I am blowing a breath of prayers across the waters to you. Just like the wind moves the waters, I am blowing a breath of prayers to your waters. May your waters be blessed today. May you remember the beauty and the mystery that dwells within you as it is reflected in the waters around you. And may you take some time to connect with water and perhaps increase your experiences with healing waters, hydrating waters, blessing waters.And as we close, I remind you as always, That whether you yourself are making ripples or grand great waves that you beloved are love and you are loved.Thank you for joining us today on The Crone Codes podcast. 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Resident Crone Joan Advent welcomes poet, shaman, and founder of the School of Wild and Holy, Wendy Havlir to explore the importance of our rewilding. Wendy shares the roots of her own rewilding: including studies of Contemplative Psychotherapy at Naropa; a decade-long deep dive with Women Who Run with Wolves author, Clarissa Pinkola Estés PhD.; comprehensive Shamanic training; and finally coming home to herself as a poet. Wendy shares 2 poems chosen for our listeners, “Walk with Me” and “Dress Me in Wild Love.”The author of The Mistress of Longing and The Reach is Holy, she describes our longing and desire as an ancient navigational system and return to love. And offers an in depth explanation of shamanic soul retrieval and its place in returning to our wholeness.Wendy reveals the origin story for her upcoming offering “A House Where Love Lives,” which is rooted in her younger self’s dream, and is a medicine for these times focused on heart-led living, reclamation, and coming home to ourselves.01:17 Meet Wendy Havlir05:03 Wild and Holy Origins10:28 Wendy’s Rewilding Journey14:09 Clarissa Pinkola Estés16:34 Lineages and Poetry19:24 Poem Walk with Me25:57 House Where Love Lives32:56 Soul Retrieval Explained38:21 Longing as Compass45:22 Offerings and Invitation50:14 Poem Dress Me in Love52:32 Books and FarewellWendy C. Havlir, MA3Website: shegathersbeauty.com“A House Where Love Lives” Listener Discount $250 off Threshold Keeper is coupon code CRONE$250 off Soul Weaver is coupon code CRONECODESTranscriptWelcome back to the Crone Codes.I am your host, the creator and the resident Crone, Joan Advent. And I am so delighted and honored to welcome my friend, my soul sister, mentor Wendy Havlir to join us today. Welcome, Wendy.Wendy: Thank you, Joan. I’m so overjoyed to be hereJoan: I know. It’s so going to be so good.There is so much depth and richness that Wendy brings, and I am excited to share the wonder of Wendy with you.So let’s just start with the essence of who Wendy is.So as we do on The Crone Codes, I want to invite you, our listener, to take a moment, close your eyes if you’re able to, to just receive and let wash over you. The essence of who Wendy is and all the medicine she brings, the codes she brings, and all that she has accomplished in order to be here with us today with these codes.So Wendy Havlir is a poet, shaman, and the founder of the School of Wild and Holy. It’s a place where women are guided through sacred initiation. Ancient wisdom, teachings and practices, rewilding and remembrance, rooted in ancestral lineages of seers and mystic poets. Her work weaves shamanism, poetry and lived experience to open thresholds into deep liberation, embodied spirituality, and profound partnership with love itself. She’s the author of The Mistress of Longing, a very powerful book about the deep call of the Divine Feminine, and the power of desire. She also has a book of poetry, The Reach is Holy and is currently working on her next compilation.Welcome.Wendy: Thank you, Joan. I feel like I just had a ceremony, having you read that. That was really beautiful.Joan: Yeah, ceremony is also, I would say just having worked with you in the past and what I know of you, like ceremony is a key, aspect of your medicine as I’ve experienced it.Wendy: Mm, thank you.Joan: Yeah, you’re welcome.So there, there are so many pieces of, what I just shared that, that feel so important when we consider the crone codes that we gather throughout the course of our life. Particularly as we sit here in 2026 with the collective landscape that we’re all navigating and living. But I really want to start with wild and holy and this, this sense of like rewilding.And remembrance, which I’m assuming that, that those all go together. That wild and holding rewilding and remembrance.Wendy: Mm-hmm. Hmm.Well, I love so, so of course the words wild and holy are the name of my school, the School of Wild and Holy, which was actually given to me by my helping spirits. And as a shamanic practitioner and someone who, as one of the many facets of who I am and someone who, has cultivated really deep partnerships, with my helping spirits, um, and being in that kind of holy communication with them.Hmm. Daily and all day long. I’m so honored that they, provided me with the sort of marching orders, if you will, the directive in 2020 in the early days of the pandemic, that it was time to open my school. And they gave me the name of the school And I would say that, it is very much about rewilding and the holiness of that and the remembering of who we really are.And so what I have found so much in my own life and in the work that I do, there’s this powerful shedding and sort of stripping away of all of these layers that have grown over us through the years by simply being human. And the sacred process of realizing that there are these like extra layers and so this beautiful sort of falling away so that we can remember who we really are and.I think to be human is to be both wild and holy already. I don’t think that there’s anything that we have to do or become to that is our essence. We are wild because we are in this skin and we have blood and organs and feelings and flesh and you know, all of these things and desire. Desire, all of all of these things that are deeply human and grief and ways of being and moving that only humans can do.And what also is true in the cosmology that I walk with and in the teachings that I provide by way of the school of wild and holy. Is that we came Holy. And our soul is untouchable. It is unmarked. Yeah. So no matter what we’re experiencing in this realm of activity, there is also a truth that stands by us.For the duration of our time in this human body. And so there’s this way that remembering that we are both wild and holy at the same time is becoming more and more and more essential for us to be here in this life as we know it right now, not to escape it. Yes, but to be able to be better grounded and supported in that.And on a personal note, I would just say that my own personal life has been this remembrance of being untamed and, and rewilding myself.Joan: And how long has that journey been happening? Consciously.Wendy: Consciously? Yeah. ‘cause I was gonna say from the moment I popped out of the womb, but um hmm.I would say really since probably consciously around 2007 or 2008. And there have been many initiations since that time.Joan: Yes. Yes. And I know that you have studied, uh, with Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés, and was, was that a seminal aspect of that journey?Wendy: I would say it would be even before the date that I gave actually corresponds to my time at Naropa University where I was studying Contemplative psychotherapy and there was a sort of magical way that things were. And, and really it goes even way beyond that, but we don’t have that much time.So I’m gonna start here where I sort of was inner, was guided. There was a way that. It was really magical because all of a sudden I realized that I could, I already had quite a lot of academic experience, and while I was at Naropa, I was realizing that I could begin to open myself up to bridging the worlds of spirituality with applied practicality, and there was so much, you know, deep contemplative.Practice with a mindful awareness practice while also learning how to be a psychotherapist. And so really learning so much about the mind. And how powerful the mind is. Not necessarily always in a good way and often all of the ways we get hooked into really believing something by way of our mind.I would say that that was kind of an opening to realizing that there was something more that, that I was beginning to actually experience. In my body and with others and helping people in that way. And then it was, was with Dr. E Clarissa Pinkola Estés. And I mean I think that I studied with her for eight, nine, maybe 10 years.And that really blew the doors open. Yeah. Into realizing this instinctual nature, everything really became more embodied. More about being more wolf like and understanding what that meant and moving into storytelling.Joan: Yeah. So if anyone does not know who Dr. Pinkola Estes is, she is the author of Women Who Run with Wolves and a powerful, voice, not only for Cronehood.But for that instinctual nature within all of us as women. And she really goes in through story, and you can correct me if I’m wrong or flesh out more. Um, she goes in through story to those common, universal aspects of our journey as women and the, the rewilding and the what are the, the layers that we’re meant to shed.Wendy: Yeah. And you know, one of the things that I think is so remarkable about her work is she’s a Jungian analyst, so she’s working with all of the archetypes that are common to, you know, all of us at different parts of our lives and so on and so forth. But that she actually, and she is a Curandera, she is a traditional storyteller and she comes from a long line of storytellers and the ways that she can.Bring life to the story and to our own lives and bodies through her particular unique way of storytelling is just profound. I mean, I think that she, and this work is, you know, as, as big or bigger than like, you know, the work of many, I’ll just say. And also she spent time with wolves, like researching them.Wow.And understanding, yeah. And understanding what it meant. I mean, to the extent that she could, what it meant to be wolf like, and that part was really important to her. Um, so yeah. Yeah.Wow, I didn’t know that.Mm-hmm.Joan: Wow. And so for you, because I hadn’t planned on discussing her or talking about her, but, but my sense is that for many of us who have been on a conscious journey of rewilding remembering who we are, that we often have, uh, mentors, teachers, or lineages that we are…You know, we are kind of the next generation of, or one of the generations of. And so you are, I would say in, in her lineage you are in many different lineages. The shamanic lineages, the poetic lineages. When I first read your poetry, I really felt, as if I were reading a poem by Rumi or Hafiz or you know, any of the mystic poets.And so it just feels important to name that sense of lineage. because we certainly have our, our biological ancestral lineages, but then we have our, whether it’s teaching or spiritual lineages, that each of us. On a conscious journey will be drawn to, or mentored or guided by.Wendy: Mm-hmm. Indeed. So many lineages that converge within each of us. And I think that, through all of the lineages that I’m aware of thus far in my life, you know, poetry is really the river that moves through all of them for me. And that is something that I’ve been rewilding all my life to some degree, is permissioning myself to be the poet. And to understand the relevance of the poet and poetry.The archetype of the poet and poetry and, even still today, I can sometimes get, you know it, it’s a practice of mine to remember that there are many things that I can do, but really there’s, there’s something that I must do. And it must show up and be like the primary thing of whatever I’m doing, and that is poetry.Joan: Hmm. So speaking of that, I had asked you if you share a poem or poems with us. And I think this would be a beautiful time for that. I, I don’t know what, what you’ve chosen. So we’ll all get to enjoy this together.Wendy: Mm-hmm. Well, I’ll tell you a quick little interesting story. One of my most, most, one of my, I love all my students, but one of my beloved students, I think she’ll be okay with me saying her name.Mafalda is helping me compile all of my poetry since I think we’ve gone all the way back to, 2019. And, I’m so close to my poetry, I often don’t know. Like I just don’t know. And I actually asked her, Mafalda, are there like some poems that you really love that you think would be beneficial for me to share right now?So the ones that I’m reading for you are two that she actually picked out. And so I just love that. And she is quite the poet herself. So I want to bring sort of all of the poets that I love and so many of my students are poets. And, um,Joan: You bring it out in people. I dare say that you. I know you are, um, I don’t want to say coaxing, but you are inviting and creating the space for, because there are pieces I have written with you that I, I really don’t think I would’ve had access to certainly on my own, butmm-hmm.Perhaps with any other teacher, so. Yes.Wendy: You’ve written beautiful things that I’ve had the great, good fortune to witness, so thank you. Thank you.Joan: And Mafalda actually shared two of her pieces in December in a couple.Wendy: I know. I listened. They were gorgeous.Joan: So it’s the, the circle keeps coming around.Wendy: It’s the circle, and that just feels so yummy, like.To bring all of the poets into the room right now as we’re speaking.Joan: Yes, and before you dive in, I just keep feeling compelled to share. I’ve been doing some studying with a Hawaiian indigenous elder (Ke’Oni Hanalei), and he shares that his grandmother, who was his kind of primary teacher, Initiator into the traditions would say to him that through that lens, that indigenous Hawaiian lens, you must learn.I’m not going to quote it exactly right, but the essence is, is you must learn or understand poetry before you can speak.[The actual quote is, “Before you learn how to speak you must first learn how to be a poet.”]Wendy: Oh my goodness.Joan: Because there is this essence of the mystical and the, the ways that we are so deeply connected and the mystery. And so to understand that before you even begin to speak.Wendy: Oh, thank you for sharing that. What a beautiful teaching. Yes, because there are, there’s so much in the poetry that isn’t being said, that is yet known and felt and is a whole language in and of itself. So that’s, that is beautiful. Hmm.Okay. Well, okay, let’s dive into this one. This is called Walk with Me.I won’t pretend to know how it will all turn out. I leap anyway, I came to do it this way. I want my whole heart, not just parts.Wearing the mantle that is mine. Embodying the unknown. My promise to our collective bones. I am an expander, rule breaker here in a meeting place imbued with mystery. The wild frontier of this moment. Fire lives in my heart. Yours too. Potential is alive and well in the empty portals of what belongs with you.This living, Is an act of making holy, there is nothing about my love that is wrong. There is nothing about your love that is wrong.Joan: Ooh.Yes. I just feel that washing over me.Mmm.There’s, there are so many threads. It’s, it really is like something I would love to just wrap myself up in.Mm-hmm.The words, the essence. The… And what a poem for this time.Mm-hmm. Yeah.For this time, I know you have an offering that is coming out and that it speaks to not just an offering, but that the essence of who you are.A House Where Love Lives. Is that right?Wendy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. The name is multi-layered, but the way it actually came to me was by way of, my younger self. And, at the time I had, I had the course laid out and, it’s always co-created with my helping spirits, but I couldn’t, the name wasn’t there and they weren’t giving me a name, and it was like a name is.So important for me because it also helps me understand more and flushes out more about what the offering is and who’s going to come. Mm-hmm. , And so I was doing a something completely separate that had nothing to do with the offering and I was just simply doing a meditation, with a younger part of me.And, and I had asked her, and I think that this is important because it will correlate to those who are called to participate in this. I had asked her, what is your original dream? Like, what is your dream for your life?And like, she didn’t miss a beat, she simply said a house, where love lives.Hmm.And it was so moving, I still get a little emotional, my heart kind of bursts open and so I knew instantly, oh, that’s what we’re doing here. That’s what we’re going to be doing here. A house where love lives and, there’s a real focus, in this offering that has to do with living from the heart and seeing from the heart and an aspect of reclamation and a form of soul retrieval. Right now so that we can be together, we can be connected in a way that is palpable and real, and resourced. And, the school itself is essentially a house where love lives. And there is a council that lives there who call themselves a Council of Love, the Council of Love. And they take the students into their homes.Hmm.And they really enliven them with love.Hmm.And the strength of that and the power of that and the reclamation of that. And so, yes.Joan: Hmm. And it, it seems to me there’s, there’s something with the starting out with your younger self and her longing.Wendy: Yes.Joan: That. You know, that tells me that all, like all of me is welcome or all of us is welcome.Mm-hmm.And I can feel like there’s some bitter sweetness to that of, you know, some grief perhaps from those places that don’t always feel welcome.As well as that. Could this be true? Like could it,Wendy: Right,Joan: could it be true that there is a house where loved dwells, where, where all, all of us is welcome.Wendy: That’s right. Including the exiled parts, the parts that we’ve learned to put away somewhere and certainly not bring out into the open. Um, yeah. And so it’s that it’s a very tender, vulnerable place. A place of those younger parts I think often when we are permissioning ourselves to turn our gaze toward them that innocence. And remembering what did this innocent part of me long for?Yes.And how can I use my own personal agency to tend to that now?Joan: Hmm. Yeah, that is a powerful question and I, I hope that our listeners will take that to heart mm-hmm.And, and really commit to finding some time to sit with that.Wendy: Mm-hmm.Yes. And really taking it to heart indeed, right? Like,Joan: Yes, literally.Wendy: In shamanism and the lineage that I belong to really the heart is where spirit moves. Spirit moves through our heart. The, the highest, the truest, gritty, get down, dirty, perfection, loving truth, it comes through the heart. Not here. because we’re rewilding.Yes.We’re not gonna rewild through this.No. We’re gonna rewild through our heart, through our hands, through writing, through listening, through receiving and being resourced.Joan: Mm-hmm. Yes, so I would like to get into longing and desire and that reach.But before we do, just for anyone who’s not familiar with the term soul retrievalHmm.Can you just speak to that.Wendy: Of course, of course. Thank you. Thank you. Well, shamanically speaking.Shamanically speaking, there is, a belief that we as humans experience soul loss. We experience soul loss at different times of our lives. In Curanderismo this would be called susto, A time when our soul leaps out of our body because some kind of danger or trauma is happening. And this is why we say that the soul is unmarked.The soul knows how to be whole. And so a soul retrieval will, will happen when, for whatever reason, and it’s nobody’s fault or there’s no blame or anything, there’s actually a Divine intelligence, really a wild intelligence that, Will occur for deep protection that a part of our soul will leave.Mm-hmm.And go find safety and what is also true is that it can sometimes wreak havoc for us because we have a part of us that is missing. So there could be an emotional distress, physical distress, energetic distress. And so a shamanic practitioner, a trained shamanic practitioner, I’m very clear about that.It’s so necessary that someone has good training who can provide you with this, but a shamanic practitioner who understands through their helping spirits that a soul retrieval is necessary, they go with their helping spirits to locate that part of the soul, and they bring it back. They bring it back to the individual.And, it’s remarkable what happens for a person when they have a soul retrieval. They feel life force again. Things start working better again in their lives. They have more energy or they understand things better and in new ways it’s like they have themselves back again. So that’s soul retrieval.Joan: Yes. And it, and it is, I would say the journey of remembrance, but it’s also the bringing all parts of us back home to ourselves.Yes.And so that is a specific intervention or way to bring components of us back that maybe we, we haven’t even been aware of orExactly.Or, or known what medicine they hold or what power they hold or what wisdom or truth.Wendy: Yeah, and I want to also clarify that in a group scenario, in the class that I’m doing, I’m not necessarily performing a soul retrieval in the way that I just described it for each person. But there are ways, I believe personally that in group work there is a force, a grace of retrieval and remembering that can happen.And in fact, I had a student recently say that they felt like the entire course, of The Heart of the Matter was in and of itself a soul retrieval. So there are a couple of different ways that I’m talking about this and I just want to be clear about that and hopefully that’s not confusing.Joan: Well, I think it just points to some, someone could get more information if they needed it and if they’reWendy: Absolutely.Joan: If they’re interested in your work they can absolutely reach out to you, ask you.Yeah.In engaging with it., I feel like we have, you have sufficiently answered the question.Wendy: Okay. Excellent.Joan: But I do want to circle back to this topic of longing and desire, because I do think it is a hallmark of what you bring and certainly your book. [The Mistress of Longing.]You’re beautiful. It’s a small book. It’s a potent book, but it’s, there’s so much that comes through The Mistress of Longing. And I have to say, as someone who was disconnected from that in my own life, like learned very early on, it was not, was not a good idea to want things or to long for things or to let my heart really deeply desire to remember, uh, the sacredness of that and the importance of that to being here and to being human. And have been one of my primary teachers about that.Mm-hmm.And your transmission has been a primary medicine for that. So. What can you tell us about longing and our heart’s desire? Our soul’s desire?Wendy: Hmm.Well there’s so much there and I think that you pointed to something that’s so necessary to understand about ourselves is that often, more often than not, we can be really disconnected from our longing and our desire for multiple reasons. Each person is different and has had their own life experience that has in some way shown them, taught them, or they’ve learned to tuck that away because it isn’t safe. But I actually think to really be embodied we must feel, we must feel things. And I think something that I’ve learned even over the last. Five, six years is that there’s a way even that a deep feeling, like a deep grief, a deep fear and deep joy is also a longing.Longing really opens us. And it’s like Dr. E or Clarissa Pinkola Estés often talks about the river, beneath the river. Rio abajo rio. And, that’s what longing is. And, and that always feels so important for me to clarify. Like, we’re not talking about when we’re talking about longing in this way.It’s not, you know, It’s not something out there.Hmm.It’s something deep in us. It’s a hunger, like a way that part of us has actually been starved.Hmm.And The Mistress of Longing says that longing is the most exquisite navigational system that we have. And that we came with longing. The reason why we’re even here in a body in this incarnation was from longing, was from desire to come and be here, for whatever particular purpose that is for each of us.And of course, well, I would imagine anyone who’s listening to us right now probably, probably has some kind of cosmology that is open to other lifetimes and, and soul and having a sense that we, you know, we come for specific reasons. I don’t ever want to assume that I know what anyone holds as true for them.That’s not for me to do, but when something is deeply missing in our lives, not because we’re not already whole, but because we don’t remember our wholeness, our wildness, and what we need to be here to feel enlivened in our body and our heart longing will tell usyes,if we’re listening, it will tell us the precise next steps for what we need to have a full belly and to return the radiance to ourselves to return our deep sense of meaning of being here.So it is quite, an ancient technology, that is actually love.Hmm.It is actually a return to love.Hmm.Is what longing is.Hmm.It’s a return home.Joan: Yes. And there are some cosmologies or beliefs systems that might even express that it is, it is the Divine or the sacred within us, like the, the aspect of the Divine.Mm-hmm.or God, whatever name you might choose, that is exploring life through us and through our longing. That it is thatmm-hmm.Yes.The, the, the sacredness to explore itself, to dance with itself in, in all these different, um, dimensions or all these different forms.Wendy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Yes.Joan: So we’re gonig start to bring this to a close, but I wanna see first if, , if there’s more you want to share about “A House Where Love Lives”, in terms of, because this is something that’s coming up, or if there are ways that if people are interested in you, your poetry, your books. We’ll have all that listed in the show notes, how to access those things.But is there anything further you want to share about that?Wendy: Yes, and I would love to share a poem too.Yes.As we wrap up, if there’s time for that. I think that I would love to invite people, that if they feel called or interested in working with me, that I would be really honored and would love to have a call with them, a free call a clarity call where they can ask me anything and we can just spend some time together. Because I certainly offer a few, I have a few spots for one-on-one work and I love that to really go deeply with someone. Um. And of course, A House Where Love Lives is going to be an incredible offering.It is a call home. It is, um, the people that come to together in my offerings and collective are extraordinary women. Joan, of course, knows that well because she has been one of them, and I feel so lucky to be a part of these weavings, and so this offering will be extraordinary. Remarkable because it is being created for this precise moment for what we are all sort of reckoning with outside of ourselves and within, within ourselves. We are in such a huge change right now, and so there will be poetry and writing and there will be channeling and there will be this incredible nervous system that you get to plug into, um, that is the School of Wild and Holy and the Council of Love.And so I’ll stop there because I could go on and on forever.Joan: Yes. So I know. I always experience you and your medicine in such a visceral way. Like in, in, in such a, like dark chocolate, velvety rose petals. Mm-hmm. You know, just the, depth of heart way. And I trust our listeners are finding that as well, and your poetry is one of those transmissions. So I would, be a vote of confidence for anyone who is feeling drawn or curious to check out Wendy’s work.Check out her as well as like her, your Instagram, where you do share both your poetry and videos from time to time. And I would love to have you gift us with another poem before we close.Wendy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, thank you. I’ll do that. And I, I forgot to say that for, your listeners, if anyone is interested in A House Where Love Lives and, and joins that cohort, by way of this podcast, I’m offering a discount. So, just make sure when you reach out to me that you mention, this podcast episode.Joan: So generous. Thank you.Wendy: Mm-hmm. It’s my pleasure. Okay. Well this poem is called Dress Me in Wild Love.I choose wild love flowing freely from my lips.I choose unspoken trust and passion from our hips, communion and softness, bathing and moonlight, numinous doorways, and breathtaking insights.I choose pleasure gathered in my arms. Promises made with kisses and long walks, Ravens dark feathers. Fire in our bones. I choose prayers spoken revelations out in the open, her hands laced in mine. We are canopies of light sounds of devotion in the middle of the night. Making altars in the river from a rounded feast, I am a willing temptress spreading my wings, living naked as a wild flower, taking in the sun.I am heart pressed poetry dressed in wild love.Joan: That’s a good one. It is. Will these poems be in your new compilation?Wendy: They will. They will. I’m very much hoping to release this book later in the year, if not first thing next year. Mm-hmm. It’s quite a big compilation.Joan: Yay. I’m looking forward to it. And I would give a shout out both to, The Reach is Holy and the Mistress of Longing.I know The Reach is Holy I’m sure you can get both on Amazon, but I also want to give a shout out that The Mistress of Longing was published by the wonderful Lucy Pearce.Wendy: Yeah, if you’d like to purchase, there might even be a few signed copies left of The Mistress of Longing, through Womancraft Publishing, which is in Cork, Ireland.And you can also find that book anywhere, that you can purchase books online. So, yeah,Joan: okay. So I want to thank you again, Wendy, for taking this time to join us for, for, for bathing us in the beauty of your words and your wisdom and your heart.Wendy: Thank you. It’s been such an honor. I have loved getting to be with you again.Joan: I know.Wendy: That’s so awesome. Yeah.Joan: Yes. And we want to thank you, our dear listener, for being with us today. And I want to remind you that whether you are making ripples in your life or big ass waves that you are love. And you are loved.Until next time. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Resident crone, Joan Advent invites women of all ages to return to the wisdom of the body as an antidote to what former guest Marion Rose PhD., calls “Disconnected Domination Culture.”From her chaise lounge beside her dog, Molly, Joan reflects on the body as a wise elder, the foundation of our humanity, and a sanctuary that reconnects us to our sacred nature. Drawing on Mary Oliver’s Wild Geese, she reframes healing as allowing “the soft animal” of the body to love what it loves—not through numbing out, but through becoming more alive, connected, and oriented to a deeper truth.Joan invites the listener to unplug from stimulation and come home to breath, heartbeat, and simple sensations, sharing practices like stillness, slow stretching, micro-movements, and observing animals as teachers of comfort and ease.She also highlights the body’s innate wisdom, the heart’s steady miracle, and a few mysteries of human biology—offering the body as a compass for navigating collective chaos and the unknown.00:00 Welcome to The Crone Codes + Today’s Theme: Coming Back to the Body01:27 The Body as Wise Elder (and the Cost of Disconnection)03:12 Mary Oliver’s “Wild Geese”: Let the Soft Animal Love What It Loves05:53 Disconnected Domination Culture: How We Lose Our Yes/No and Our Power08:00 Return to Sanity: Unplug, Breathe, and Rejoin Life’s Natural Rhythms09:58 A Sacred Heartbeat: Remembering the Miracle of Being Alive13:31 Simple Practices: Stillness, Stretching, and Micro-Movements16:44 Go Out of Your Mind, Return to Your Senses (Daily Body Reverence)18:25 Body Mysteries: Heart-Brain Cells & Fetal Microchimerism20:55 Learn from Animals + Closing BlessingFrom Wild Geese by Mary OliverYou do not have to be good.You do not have to walk on your kneesfor a hundred miles through the desert repenting.You only have to let the soft animal of your bodylove what it loves.Love & Will with Marion Rose PhD. Episode 6 Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

In this extended revelatory interview Resident Crone Joan Advent welcomes Relationship Mentor, Emilie Atwal to explore what’s possible within our Union (marriages, relationships, partnerships) when we place God at the center and partner from our feminine presence as women.This conversation was inspired by the generational differences Joan has observed in marriages and relationships of Gen Z as compared to her sister Baby Boomers, Gen X and even Millennials. She was curious to understand how this new generation of women entering relationships and marriages seem to be relating to their partners and their faith in a whole new way.Emilie speaks to this with her teachings, devotion and wisdom on: partnering from our Feminine Presence; holding our partners as our Beloveds; placing God at the center of our Union; remembering our identity as daughters of God; and relying on prayer as a powerful relationship tool. And she gives us an inside look at some of the spiritual and relationship missteps she took on her journey to gather this faith, and wisdom and find her Beloved.Finally, Emilie introduces her upcoming free offering Renewal: 21 Days of Prayer. It is a sanctuary space for women to engage in daily  prayer on behalf of their future beloved or current union by renewing their own heart, mind and soul. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Host, Joan Advent offers a simple protocol for navigating the shocks and emotional challenges of the tumultuous times we’re navigating. Whether for yourself or someone you love, Joan provides practical advice on treating shock and coming out the other side stronger. She emphasizes the importance of receiving support and reorienting after the shock has passed. The episode concludes with a grounding meditation to help listeners reconnect with their soul and solid ground in the face of life’s upheavals.00:00 Welcome to The Crone Codes00:42 Navigating the In-Between State of 202602:23 Toolkit for Challenging Times03:06 Dealing with Shock05:10 Reorienting After Shock07:30 The Importance of Support11:17 Meditation for Grounding14:31 Connecting with Your Soul20:04 Final Thoughts and BlessingsTranscriptJoan: Hello, and welcome back to the Crone Codes. I’m your host, the Creator and resident crone Joan Advent. As we’re making our way into 2026 we’re in this in-between state, between the snake year, the transmutation, the shedding, all that that’s leaving, and the energy of the horse and the energy of the fire and all that that is bringing in.So we’re in that in-between place, and what I’m guided to share today is really a toolkit for these times. Because my sense of both what we’re living through at the moment and where we are headed.Certainly from my own experience and my connection with the world around me is this is going to be a very dynamic year. And I think it’s safe to say we are in the thick of it. You just cannot look around and not see someone who is in the thick of it, in the thick of, um, loss in the thick of intense initiations, making unexpected transitions in life, crises, shocks, whether it’s health, whether it’s financial, global, geopolitical, just the whole host of things.And what I want to offer is a toolkit and a set of reminders for how we can meet this in our most centered, empowered, and humane way. So I wanna talk to you first, and again, this is meant to be a toolkit for you, or if you are in relationship to somebody who is in the thick of it, just wanna offer this as a resource for you.So the first thing I wanna talk about is shock. And how to treat shock. How to be with shock. How to meet shock, because we are at a time when shocking things are occurring. If not in our own life, then in the lives of those we care about or those who are in our community.And I just wanna remind us that the way that shock is treated is by meeting it with a sense of calm. If a body were to go into shock, we would want to meet it with calm. We would want to provide warmth, like literal warmth, like blankets, or anything that will help keep someone warm. So warm tea, warm blankets, just that sense of warmth and cozy.The other important factor is to return to the breath. Help whoever is experiencing the shock recalibrate and return to a slow and steady breath. A slow and steady breath. And the last piece is touch, human touch. So when someone is in shock whether it’s giving them our hand, just placing our hand upon them, like skin to skin, just the reminder that we are in a body.And after we treat the initial shock, we wanna reorient to time and to space. We wanna give someone the chance to reorient to where they are.In this moment. So whether it’s in their environment, where they are in this moment in their lives, because when we experience shock, it is a bit like an explosion happening in our lives or within us or physically. And as the shock starts to subside, then we begin to recognize and realize and orient like, oh yes, this is where I am.This is what I was doing, or this is what, this is what’s happening in my life right now. So just reorienting to that sense of place of time. Again, of connection.And as we orient to space and time, we are brought back to what was my original intent? What was my purpose? Where was I headed? what was my goal? What was I moving towards? What was I living into? What was the intent, the through line moving through our lives at the time that the shock occurred? So we, we tune back into what is that original intent and does it still apply given what has occurred?Is this still the direction I’m meant to be moving in? Or am I being called to refine that, to recalibrate that, to begin to move in a new direction given what has occurred that created the shock in our lives.And the final piece that I wanna name, which is key throughout this whole arc, this whole kind of arc of steps we’ll say is the remembrance of the necessity of support. We can’t minister ourselves fully when we are in shock. When we are in shock, or when we are beginning to reorient back to life. We need support.We need the support of others who can hold us, who can be present with us. And if we are in that role for others, just knowing that when someone has gone through a shocking experience, they need our presence, they need our support. They need our, just being with them in the simplest ways, providing food, providing connection, humor, kindness, just the basics of life.We also need the support of the earth, the natural world, the reorienting to being a part of nature. We exist on a planet, on an earth. We have trees around us. Birds, animals, perhaps pets. It’s like just beginning to reorient to that aspect of the world around us and remember that we are a part of that.And last, but certainly not least, we need spiritual support at those times. We need the support of our Creator that I call Holy Mother. Holy Father God. You may call your Creator something else. Higher power. Great mystery. Or even Life.But remembering again that we are embedded in a larger whole. We are a part of something bigger than us that is holding us, and that can hold shocking experiences that can provide a North Star light to guide us out of the darkness or out of the trauma, or out of the turmoil or the chaos of any given moment.We can orient to that. And I have once heard it described almost like the sign of the cross where that vertical axis is that spiritual connection, to the Divine. To the holy both within us, all around us, certainly within the earth, and then that horizontal axis of the cross, is our person to person connection that we need.So I wanna close this episode with a meditationto support you. To support us whenever we needto anchor again. I want to offer this meditation.So I wanna begin by inviting you to just notice your breath without needing to change anything. Just noticing, and you might observe where you have more constriction within you that’s inhibiting the breath where your breath feels more spacious.And as you do this, I wanna invite you to both listen not only to my voice, but listen to what sounds are surrounding you.Turning up your ears to here.Whether it’s the hum of the heater,the wind rustling the bushes and trees outside.Perhaps even your own breath,and as you do that, just noticing the air on your skin. And again, recognizing that you exist within this time and space, you were present and enveloped in this space. Whether it’s in your room, may even be in your car.Or you may be outside. Just knowing that you exist within this time and place. You are placed here.And from a soul perspective, this is an intentional placement. Your soul has chosen to be here. In this moment.With all that’s occurring in your life, with all that’s occurring in the lives of loved ones and those around you, your soul has said, this is where I want to be.Begin to notice the presence of that soul within you. What form does it take? Is therea way that you experience it? You may feel it kinesthetically,you may see a vision. For me, it feels like a small golden orb somewhere in the center of my heart.It may also be in the form of a sound or just a voice or a knowing.It’s reconnecting that tether to your soul. That was knit together, that was created, that was formed by the Creator of all life to be present in a particular place and time. Particular set of life circumstances at this time in our human history at this time as the drama of life unfolds.So for now, just resting with that. Knowing that this is purposeful.As you do this, I invite you to consider what do you need? What do you need from this connection with your soul that has its direct access to the Divine, to your Creator? Like, what do you need in this moment? Whether it’s to feel strengthened, empowered, supported, cared for, tended, loved.What is it you need?Just tuning in and seeing what is it that you need right now just to get you to the next step. Not to solve it all, because we are in this very dynamic, changeable fluid time. Things are falling away and shifting very rapidly. So what do you need just for this next step? And how can you invite that in right now and today?When you feel that sense of clarity, when you feel that sense of direction or even receiving, having received what you most need, I want you to return to your breath and return to your awareness of this body, this breath, and this body. This body is your vehicle for this time, for this life, for this date with Destiny. Consciously place your hands on some part of your body, perhaps your heart or your womb space, just making contact as we are here in this 3D experience. You are the sacred in a human form. Remembering the contact that we need to be present to be here in our humanity.And , as you make this contact with your own flesh and blood just bringing some blessing to this body through your own hands.Bringing some blessing through the touch. These hands that are extensions of your heart and your heart line. Blessing your body and then bringing your hands if you’re able to, down to the floor, down to the earth. Just consciously connecting with that sense of ground.And with that, seeing if you can feel a yes to being here in a more conscious and full way.And then when you feel ready, I invite you to breathe in some fresh air and exhale out anything that needs releasing.So I wanna thank you for joining me today. I want to offer from my heart to yours, just my deepest wishes for your health, your wellbeing, your centeredness, your joy. And while today’s episode really was designed to be a resource for when things are feeling more challenging or just downright impossible, knowing that as we move through that, that the joy, the fulfillment, the satisfaction lives on the other side. And sometimes are two sides of that same coin, just the magnitude of this human experience. So offering you my love and appreciation and the reminder as I’ll always, that whether you’re making ripples in your life or big ass waves that you are loved and you are love. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

The Crone Codes is kicking off the new year unlocking important secrets of Life, Love and living with guest Laurie Seymour, M.A. She and Joan go deep exploring energetic codes; the power of remembrance; a lens beyond healing; how to dance with Life; love as a frequency; embracing our fullness and the new beginnings of this one year. They also unpack how Laurie’s new book Unconditional Remembrance: Your Connection to Source is a doorway to embodied remembrance of our true nature and our personal connection to our Source of all life.02:08 Laurie’s Biography and Accomplishments05:45 Understanding Energetic Coding11:12 Laurie’s Journey to Energy Literacy24:49 The Concept of Unconditional Remembrance28:28 The Power of Making Bold Statements30:17 Embodied Experience and Wisdom32:01 The Book as a Doorway32:31 Letting go of how others respond 33:43 Our Roles and Scripts as Women34:25 Navigating the Unknown36:34 The wild idea we dare not do39:10 What innovation & creativity teach us about our ideas40:34 The active dimension in Meditation 43:45 Understanding Love as a FrequencyLaurie Seymour, M.A. Website: https://thebacainstitute.com/Quantum Connection Quiz: https://thebacainstitute.com/quantum-connection-quiz/TranscriptJoan: Welcome back to the Crone Codes. I am your host, the creator and resident Crone Joan Advent, and I am so honored and really delighted to share with you today my beautiful friend and wise sister Laurie Seymour. Welcome, Laurie.Laurie: Hmm. Thank you Joan. We are, we have, we have a long history, even though it’s been a long stretch of time too, of not being in each other’s, you know, immediate fields, and I’m, I’m really thrilled to be doing this with you.It feels like a great opportunity for a deep conversation.Joan: Absolutely. And you have a new book that’s just come out and I’m, I’m really honored and excited to unpack some of the pieces of that with you. So it feels like a really auspicious time to have you here.Laurie: Great.Joan: And I do also want to mention dear listener, that my sweet dog, Molly, is here on my lap, and so she may make herself more known during the course of our interview. She may need to be, moved in the course of our interview.Laurie: Or we can just feel her unconditional love.Joan: Yes. Yes. Well, as, as long as it, as long as we can still hear each other.Laurie: Right. Okay. Deal.Joan: I’m all for that. So I’m going to begin as I like to do, which is really to offer Laurie’s, biography and accomplishments as a meditation, both for Laurie and for you, the listener. Because I really believe that when we do this, when we receive the truth of someone and who they are and what they have created in their lives it gives us the opportunity to reflect not only on the crone codes or the codes that that person carries, but it can remind us of what we both carry within ourselves and what we aspire to. So I want to invite you, Laurie, and our listeners, if it’s safe for you to close your eyes and to receive the wonder and the beauty of Laurie Seymour.Laurie is the host of Wisdom Talk Radio International Executive Mentor and certified Master trainer. She is an MA and is the founder and the CEO of the Baca Institute, and she is the newly minted author of Unconditional Remembrance, Your Connection to Source. Over 25 years ago, Laurie was honored to receive the stewardship of a special energetic technology Turaya Touch and Turaya meditation that activates your connection with Source, raising your vibration, and amplifying your ability to create from the infinite field of potential. Laurie is also the creator of the Quantum Connection Process, helping each person she works with to build a program, a business, and a life that expresses your Divine Blueprint, and gives you the financial flow you deserve with the time, health and wellbeing to enjoy it. And she has a quiz called the Quantum Connection Quiz, which you can take for free, and I will be sharing that in the show notes. So these are some of the dimensions of Laurie and I wanna welcome you again.Laurie: What an experience to have it read from the place of, of being able to really receive it.Yeah. Thank you.Joan: You’re welcome. That is. It’s important to me, both for you as my guest, but I think for all of us as human beings, for, for us to have those experiences of reflection and remembrance, as you say.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: Yes. And I know before we got on, the recording that we were talking about, the importance of codes and energetic coding. And even for you to maybe articulate some of the codes you’re aware of just from hearing that for yourself and how that, just how that whole concept, how it’s been meaningful for you, how our listeners can perhaps consider that for themselves.Laurie: I may speak about it differently than you do.Joan: Yes.Laurie: Which is great because we’re just adding to the, to the mix and to the pot, so to speak. Um, because everything truly is energy. Everything in in life, everything that is, that is alive has an energetic imprint to it and an energetic coding. And as we, Hmm. As we evolve, as we go through, through life, we’re impacted so much by our, by, by our environment, not just our physical or, our home environment or our work environment, but also the, hmm, the cosmic radiation, the, the sun and what that gives off.And it. And what’s happening in the entire world. Because we know that we’re part of a universal field. We know that we’re part of this quantum field. And given that we hold within us the kind of, uh, um, hologram of the whole. And it’s so wonderful because now with all the, the research into quantum physics, they have demonstrated that, oh, what happens on the other side of the world does indeed impact us.So that is a kind of, hmm, foundational statement, if you will. Um, I work with energy in, in everything I do. In the Turaya meditation sessions that I run in the Turaya touch that I both teach and offer in the individual work, and the classes, I do. Really in everything. And, and I think of, in this way that everything gets encoded with the frequencies that are needed in that moment.So whenever I, I do the Turaya meditation twice a week online and before I begin, I’m always asking about what’s needed that day, what’s needed in that moment. And, and since I’m working with higher consciousness energy symbols I’m aware that I don’t have to Hmm direct those or do anything that’s, personal will related, but to allow the new frequencies, ‘cause it’s, feels like it’s always brand new to come through, to come through those symbols, to come through, to come through my words. And as we’re impacted by what we hear and what we receive that is an encoding, that is a, a way that we’re being impacted by those, those codes so that we can raise our own frequency. So that we can move to a new dimension within ourselves that we are always doing anyway. But someone this morning said the difference between, let’s see if I can remember exactly what he said,Letting life run you. Or engaging with life.These are different words, but that that was the sense of it engaging with life and us being the dancing partner.Joan: Yes.Laurie: And that it’s not a leading or a following, but a flow.Joan: Yes, yes. There’s a lot I could say about that, but I recently have been exploring that exact, we’ll say energetic way of holding myself in relationship to life is to, to both meet itLaurie: yeahJoan: with full presence. Not be overpowered by it, but also not be like the bull in the China shop.Laurie: Yeah. Yeah. Um,Joan: so that, that particular, point of finding that right balance.Laurie: And it’s, and it’s not a balance that’s ever static.That’s the, the incredible thing about it is that we are always being moved to, okay, shift here shift there, so that we’re not a victim, which is like life doing to us. And we’re not the, as you just said, the bull in the China shop. Trying to, well, to try and control things, you know, to say, oh, well I want it my way.Because Yeah. That’s what we’re seeing so much of these days. It doesn’t work.Joan: Well, it doesn’t work. It doesn’t work. But it’s also to the extent that, as you said, to the extent that we are being impacted and impacting others. Mm-hmm. It’s, it’s like pulling everyone in some ways, I guess, along with us.Laurie: Yes.Yes. Mm-hmm. Yes.Joan: So I know a little bit of your story and I, I don’t know how much we are meant to dive into our story, but. You didn’t always know about these things, right? Mm-hmm. These energies and coding, and I know that you and I shared the history of both having been trained as psychotherapists and.So how, how does one become we’ll say so energy literate or energetic?Laurie: You know what I think is funny as I reflect on, on my life now and especially my early life and, and also seeing my daughter because there’s some real similarities. It’s that when I was little, I think I both knew. I knew things that I had no reason to know from this life. And I came in with that, but there was so little support for that.So little, um, recognition or, um, understanding or in, in fact quite the opposite of a, you know, don’t get too big for your britches and, you know, better settle down kid and at all kinds of messages like that. That set up in me that kind of, I didn’t know what was going on. I really didn’t. And I just thought I, and without going into all of that, that did very much take me into the, the search for what was true.What was true? What was real? What was, how could I understand myself? How could I understand other people? And, you know, becoming a psychotherapist became a, well, of course, you know, that was, I never had a, oh, I want to be something else. Well, I wanted to be an archeologist. I wanted to be a librarian, but really, truly, I was going to be a psychotherapist one way or another.Joan: Yes. Solving those mysteries.Laurie: And the mystery of self, first of all.Joan: Right? Yeah, exactly. I know one of the things that you mentioned in your book, which I loved, and I, I’m going to get the paraphrasing wrong, but it’s something to the effect of you can’t really be trained as a psychotherapist and not believe that something is was it broken or missing orLaurie: mm-hmm.Joan: Flawed in some way or, or hurting.Laurie: Yeah.Joan: And I, I know that there’s a lot of emphasis in the world on healing and certainly in many spiritual communities on, healing and our growth work. And, and as someone who has been a long time psychotherapistLaurie: mm-hmmJoan: my guess is you’ve seen people who can also kind of keep going with that and going with that and going with that. But, but it sounds like you are suggesting, and your book is suggesting that there, that there is a different way, there’s an easier way, there’s a simpler way.Laurie: And it’s, it’s, it’s, yes and. Because what I really became aware of is that we can spend our whole lives believing that we need to be healed. And of course, and this is the party line, truly, you’re never done healing. You’re never, you’re never done. There’s always more and that casts a different light. Or it, it, it’s seeing life and seeing oneself through a lens that I don’t feel is particularly helpful or healthful.Hmm. Now we can, you know, we can, I’ll just briefly contrast that with what people talk about um, spiritually overriding. Mm-hmm. Your, your stuff, your shadow, your whatever. And I’m not talking about that either. So this isn’t about going into bliss and everything’s just fine and everything happens that’s supposed to happen. And that feels almost even more exhausting to, to think of life like that.Joan: Right. Well, it is suppressing in my experience.Laurie: Yeah. It doesn’t feel true. It doesn’t, it doesn’t have the ring or the experience of truth. Right. But if we, if we go beyond all of that and go beyond the either or, we, I, I’ve been able to recognize through some very specific experiences in my own life that the more that we allow ourselves to, um, get curious about ourselves, look at what’s unfolding, look at what we’re wanting to create and tap into that creative source, that creative life force within us, then what we’re doing is we’re, we’re focusing our attention on, on the creative expression. And Yeah, the stuff comes up, the doubt, the fear, the, the old situations.But we’re not going digging for them. So instead of trying to just unearth everything and keep focusing on, well, we gotta get the, we gotta go deeper. We gotta go deeper, we gotta go deeper. Allowing the depth of what is there to, to arise when it does. And to address it from that place of, of such love for ourselves and, and a recognition of of the moreness that is there along with that, the moreness of who we are, the fullness of who we are. And even what, what that was about. Whatever the, the thing is, if there was a thing.Joan: Right. If there’s, yes. If there’s a painful dynamic or mm-hmm. Painful loop of, uh, belief or what have you, that keeps running.Laurie: Yeah. To see them as patterns.Joan: Yes.Laurie: Not as truth.Joan: Yes, exactly. And what you shared earlier about the aspects of your, we’ll say innate gifts that you were born with and the way, I think certainly in our culture and most Western culture we are, we are taught to pay less attention to that and more attention to what helps us stay in the fold, so to speak, whatever that fold may be.It’s in the family.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: The culture in the church, in the, you know, the school system, any divergent gifts or what have you it’s like, put that over there.Laurie: Don’t get too wild.Joan: Right. But I can see how that would. It does make it hard for us to a, remember the truth of who we are when we’re having to check those things at the door.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Mm-hmm.Joan: And, um, it, it just gives us such a partialized view and it’s such a skewed. Such a skewed,Laurie: and, and we’re always looking outside of ourselves.And so we never get to really, um, take the inner journey, and really explore what’s possible. We’re always, we’re always trying to fit in, or if we’re, if we’re beyond fitting in and we’re, we’ve, we’re pushing aside the things that, that might rock the boat.Joan: Right.Laurie: That might, you know, mean we have to live, wanna live somewhere else, or we wanna do something different.And oh my goodness, what am I, what’s gonna, how am I gonna pay my mortgage if I do something different? Or, or leave my marriage? Or, or, or, or, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that. We get so afraid of looking at what, what is true that we, we lose out on, on those gifts. We lose out on what our potential is.Joan: And I’m struck by, because I would say a significant segment of my listeners are women who would be around my age, your age, and maybe a bit younger who are still at a point where they haven’t felt full permission.Laurie: Yeah.Joan: To be the fullness of who they areLaurie: and, and the, the cost of that gets higher and higher and higher.It doesn’t get easier. It doesn’t diminish it. The cost. The cost is not only personal and this is what I moved to say right now, it’s also. It’s also impactful for our families, for our communities, for our world. Because you, you do come in with a particularly unique you and, and, and a set of codes and a set of, um, capacities, and if that doesn’t have space to unfold, if that doesn’t have space to be brought into the world that symphony that’s being created in the world is missing a note. And another note here, and another note there, and it starts sounding discordant. And that’s what we’re witnessing right now is the discordance that is taking over. Now it, it isn’t. Mm-hmm. It looks that way.Joan: Yes.Laurie: But the more we can bring our own fullness out into the world.We are contributing to the world in a major, major, major way.Joan: Yes. And is it, is it true that even you write, committing to writing your book and bringing it out like that is, is an example of being willing to do the thing?Laurie: You know,Yeah, I guess it is. And here’s something that, um, I just discovered today.So I, I, I, because this is a nine year, we’re at least when we’re recording this in December, this is a nine year, we’re going to move into a one year, and the, the way that, that these cycles work is in cycles of nine, and then the nine is the completion year. And this, I just went back earlier today to look at when did I start my book?Because I knew I had started it. I had done this big push and then I set it aside for a long time and it was right as this cycle began.Joan: Wow.Laurie: And I didn’t realize it had been that long, but it had,Joan: Hmm.Laurie: So here we are in this completion time and, and I feel so much completing in me, um, having completed in me and like I am absolutely being prepared for what’s to come.And I’m, and I’m, I. I imagine that there are some of your listeners that are feeling that, whether they’re tuning into the nine cycle, a nine year cycle or not, but just because this feels like such a big time of, of preparation, of looking back to realize what has actually been completed and to opening some of those parts of us that we haven’t let have expression.Joan: Mm, yes. Which can be so. I have found, and, and this, the creation of this podcast is in part, an aspect of that for me.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: And it, it can be so both liberating and of course feel edgy at times, butLaurie: all of it feels edgy.Joan: That’s true. That’s true. If we’re being honest.Laurie: If we’re being honest it does feel edgy.And it is edgy. But would we, I’ll say it to myself, but would we want anything else? I mean, comfort is, is highly overrated.Joan: You’re right, you’re right. It is. Sometimes it’s helpful to have a moment to catch your breath.Laurie: Absolutely. I, I’m not, I’m not saying that we don’t need the time out and the rest and the Yeah, absolutely.‘cause we do, we need to nourish ourselves and feel nourished before we go out on the edge again.Joan: Yes. And to put in like to have the roots or the tap roots so that we can grow big and big and tall and big and strong. Yes,Laurie: yes. Yeah. Yeah. It’s not about just taking off and, you know, flying into the cosmos at all.We need that tap root, as you say.Joan: Yes. So tell us about Unconditional Remembrance and what that I, I have some clues to what that is, but to, to someone who’s just tuning in. What does it mean?Laurie: That was for me. I’ll just say to begin with a bold title, A bold statement.Joan: Mm-hmm.Laurie: Um, it’s like, no, no, no. I can’t put it out that strongly, that that really was my first response to it.And then I realized, but yet that is what I am talking about. That when we truly start to look at our lives from this perspective of, through this lens of, of potential and possibility. And recognizing that when we came into life, I think, and this is by think, by design, we forget. We forget where we came from.We forget that connection with, with Source. We forget that we come from love and that we are love. Then we go through life and the process of living is one, Sometimes it’s one of, you know, burying the remembrance even further and further and further under. But ultimately it’s that process of remembering, remembering.And what I mean by that, remembering our connection with Source. That that is our original blessing. And there’s nothing that we can do that will remove that. However, we have free choice, free will about remembering it and, and living with that remembrance. So that’s really what I mean by remembrance is re is remembering and then living from that remembrance, as I remember in more and more moments in my everyday life, that connection.Really, everything gets changed. Everything is different because I am, I’m carrying a different set of frequencies. I’m tuning into frequencies that are always, you know, new and moving me into what’s next. And that experience of being loved of, of I am okay. I am it. It’s all, it’s all. Okay. It’s all okay.Yeah. I’ve had all these different experiences. It didn’t feel okay as they were happening. Of course, yes. But now I get to take a different view and a different experience of them. When I get curious, when I, when I start to see that forgetting and remembering, oh, so I came in having to go through that. I came in with having to learn about that and it’s not ‘cause I had to suffer.It’s because how was I going to, to come to be the teacher that I am now without having gone through that? I, I, you know, I, at 22 I was starting to run groups and I was obnoxious, you know, because, because I knew these some things.Joan: Hmm.Laurie: But I didn’t have the life experience that was letting me connect all of those pieces up in my own body.Joan: Yes, yes.Hmm.So there’s a couple of pieces. One that I just wanna name, which to me felt so touching was your willingness to go for the bold statement. And it reminds me of, the poet David Whyte, who I’ve heard speak many times. But he was speaking about when a, a woman says, I know the truth. Like when a man says I know the truth.Mm-hmm. Like, that’s kind of it just. They can say that without, they frequently say that. We’ll say without much.Laurie: I know what’s right.Joan: Yep. Or consideration. But when a woman says, I know truth, or I know the truth, she’s been like to Hell and back, and around the world to really explore it and feel it out and, and say, this kernel is true.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: And so that really struck me and was so moving because of course part of what the crone codes and the Crone Essence is about is a willingness to do that. And having lived enough to, to do that, you know, to have, have enough lived experience coupled with your own innate wisdommm-hmm.To stand in that, and not from the ego standpoint, but from being a transmission of wisdom and truth. Hmm. So I just wanna honor and acknowledge that, and celebrate that.Hmm.Laurie: I, I, I love those words, how you describe it. And partly it’s, it’s also a, it’s having the embodied experience of that and not just the information. The information, it only takes us so far. I mean, it was one of the things that was really important to me in the writing of this book that, that the codes in the way that I think of them, this book is really embedded with those codes and embedded with those frequencies.And when we experience something energetically, then we get to decode it in our own life. Like, what does that mean? How can I live it? Um, what do I need to know about it? It, we get to have all of those kind of, curiosity moments, curiosity questions, but the experience of it is there in the body.Joan: Yes. And your book, I will attest to your book.Is, it does carry that resonance. It does reading, it does transport the reader. It’s, it’s not just an exchange of cognitive ideas.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: And it does speak to the power of language to hold codes. Mm-hmm. As, as you say, which, whether it’s the spoken word or the written word. Mm-hmm. Um, it’s very clear. That what you’re bringing through, through your book,Laurie: it that delights me to hear Joan.It really does.Yeah. Thank you.Joan: I’m so glad. You’re welcome. The book is like a, it’s like a doorway, you know? It’s, it’s not just, again, cognitive ideas. Mm-hmm. It is like a doorway to that remembrance. Yeah. ‘Laurie: Cause that’s what I believe we all are wanting. And we all have the capacity for. Some people in their personal will because it’s just so strong they won’t ever go for it.Right. And that’s okay. I mean, I’ve had to surrender to that in sometimes the people that are closest to me who it’s like, Nope, nope, nope. And dig in heels and this is how it is. And sometimes my heart aches, but then I just have to surrender to that too. And it’s like, no, I can’t control any of that. And I, nor do I want to, I don’t wanna take on their karma.Joan: No. And how, how long have we spent so long trying to make it better for others or lighten their load. Right.Laurie: And especially dare I say, as mothers, oh, you know, that’s a huge learning and um, I can’t say it’s a lesson that I’ve learned. But I get to see it. I get to see it, and it’s like, oh, oh, there that is again.But then I can be gentle with myself and, and just recognize and say, oops, for a moment, I forgot who I am.Joan: Yes, yes. Oh, thank you for that. Yes. Because it’s, we have these roles that we play in this life.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: Whether it’s mother or wife, or. Even daughter.Laurie: Mm mm-hmm. Best friend.Joan: Right. Best friend or colleague, or whatever the case may be.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: And it can be easy to get caught up in the belief that that’s who we are.Laurie: Right.Joan: And all the scripts that go with those roles andLaurie: Exactly. And, and then we set up these expectations of ourselves that we, that this is how we’re supposed to be. Oh, I got it. I got it. I got who I am. Well, I can never just get who I am because as soon as I do, as soon as I have that feeling, what happens is I move right into the, the next level.Joan: Mm-hmm.Laurie: And then I’m there in the unknown, and all I wanna do is cry because I feel myself in the void and it really is a void. I don’t have, the markers aren’t familiar anymore, and so I’ve, I’ve actually traversed, I’ve gone through the doorway and I’m in new territory.And as I look around, it’s like, whoa. Um, sometimes the one way, well, and one of the ways that I know that that’s what’s happening is that feeling of all I wanna do is just cry because it’s, and it’s not, I’m not sad and I’m, I’m not really empty. Mm-hmm. But it, I feel myself in the void. And so it, it, it’s just, it’s just the way it expresses in me and.Yeah. When we finish something, when we’ve gone through something, there needs to be that time of, of fertile emptiness, Really.Joan: Yes.Right. Yes, and here in the northern hemisphere, we’re heading into the winter, which is that, yeah. That latent.Laurie: Mm-hmm, exactly.Joan: Fertile darkness that time. Which this, this will be coming out, just after the new year, so we will have just passed through.Laurie: Wonderful. The solsticeand yeah.Joan: But we’re recording it on this end of it.Laurie: But it’s all part of it. And, and the, the wonderful thing coming into this one year, we were talking about this before we started mm-hmm. Uh, this recording is that it’s a very, very potent time. And it’s a useful time as you’re listening to this today, whenever this isJoan: mm-hmm.Laurie: Consider what the seeds are that you’re wishing to plant in this new nine year cycle.Joan: Mm.Laurie: You know, what is it that you most want to do in your life? What’s the kinda wild and crazy thing that is, there is a kind of little idea, but you dare not quite do? What if you were to step into that? And experiment? It’s the, it’s the perfect time to start to bring that into being.Joan: Mm-hmm.Yes. I love that welcoming. It’s, it’s actually reminding me of, um, when I was 39 and I was feeling the, the urge for motherhood where, where previously it, it hadn’t been quite like that. AndLaurie: mm-hmm.Joan: It was that thing. And interestingly, I, I had had, ‘cause being self-employed as a psychotherapist, I didn’t have traditional insurance.Laurie: Right.Joan: I had had maternity insurance, like for eons and let go. And then all of a sudden it was like, motherhood is calling me. And that was the thing. And, and now of course my daughter is 21. Um. But just the dimensions that, that opened within me, and certainly in my whole life, the trajectory of life and how it changes when we are willing to say yes.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: And step onto that edge.Laurie: Yes. And I love that, you know, it is, it is a saying yes. Because we don’t have to. You know, and sometimes we are. I don’t know if people will recognize or, or, or, or find a, a familiarity to this. There, there are ideas that come to you and you say, oh, whoa, that’s too big.Sometimes there’s ideas that come to me that I, that I start questioning. Not in the doubtful way, but in the, you know, is this the right timing? Sometimes there are ideas not for now, and the, they’re ideas for, you know, kind of down the road. And sometimes they’re not even ideas for me, they’re ideas for someone else.‘cause I, um, people do tap into those things and, and people have probably also had the experience where, um, you’ve had this brilliant idea for something and you don’t act on it. And suddenly someone on the other side of the world just. Wait, wait a minute, they, they took my idea.Joan: Yes.Laurie: And I’ve come to understand that in researching innovation and creativity, that ideas are floating out there.And if they come to you, they’re coming to you for a reason. And if you don’t act on it, they’re not only coming to you and someone else is going to, you know, take it and run with it.Joan: Right. It’s, it’s like something that’s wanting to be born into this world.Laurie: Exactly.Joan: And they’re gonna find the willing parent or vehicle or steward.Laurie: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so action is really needed. We cannot just be passive in this.Joan: Yes.Laurie: I, I think about, you and I both, I think, use the word receiving and the importance of being in that state of receiving, but that’s not a passive state.Joan: No, no. In fact, I just did an episode about, in part I was sharing the, what they’ve learned about conception and how the egg actually chooses and brings in the sperm that it’s,Laurie: Wow,Joan: it’s not, that it’s overtaken or, um, oh.That it, that it just receives, but it is this active process.Laurie: Yeah. Yeah.Joan: Mind blown.Laurie: So I, I talk about, um Turaya meditation as, as an active form of meditation. And I, I’ve had people just go, you know, what are you talking about? Or What does that mean? Or, because people like to think of meditation as we are just being in the quiet, and yes we are.We are being in the quiet. That is an essential part of meditation. And if you’re in an active state of receiving, you get to receive what the energies are bringing to you and engage with them and, and, and relate with them. See what’s next. You know, ask the questions then once you’ve received that. Be, be the guardian of that light.Joan: Yes.Laurie: The active guardian. How is this wanting to be made manifest?Joan: Yes. Which is, I am, my sense is that there is a certain degree of maturity required for that. Like, it, it’s not a, um, it’s not just a passive consumer or recipient.Laurie: Right.Joan: That there is that capacity to, again, whether it’s to say yes or tocultivate within us what needs to be cultivated in order to bring it through.Laurie: It’s also not, and I feel moved to, to bring this contrast in.Joan: Mm-hmm.Laurie: It’s, it’s not a, a push, push push.Joan: Mm-hmm.Laurie: Because that’s, you know, it’s like our ego likes to push and our ego likes to, you know, think we’re in charge and control and, and have the expectations of how it’s going to go.So part of being that willing dance partner with life and, and being a willing dance partner with the ideaJoan: mm-hmm.Laurie: Is saying, what’s new today? How is it wanting to be expressed today? What am I needing to bring in today? And to have that, that openness to experience and that openness to explore, not just in the beginning with the idea, but but all the way through to the, the creation, the manifestation.‘cause otherwise we’re just pushing.Joan: Right, right. And then the birthing and the letting go.Laurie: Mm. Birthing is definitely an active process, right?There’s nothing passive about it.Joan: No, although I could go off on a tangent, I’m gonna choose not to do so. So we just have a few more minutes before we wrap this up and I feel compelled just to ask, for a, a truth about love.Just whatever.Laurie: Mm-hmm.Joan: Comes to you.Laurie: Let me just. I’m gonna see.It is that truth is a frequency, it’s a vibration. It is not an emotion. And we get caught in the expectation or the thinking that love is an emotion and then when it’s not there, that we’re somehow bereft of being, uh, capable of love or worthy of being loved. But in fact it is a frequency and that when we are able to embrace it and hold it and receive it and allow it to move in us, then we don’t ever step into doubt, because the doubt the doubt comes when we forget. And then as soon as we remember, we remember that, oh, this feeling, this feeling of love is the truth.Joan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Yes. So it, I have the vision of for me, I have often used the, the words like the river of love, like stepping into the river of love and having that physical sensation of being in a river where you can, you can either be like on the edge with the toe in or you can be in the river, you know, and feel it really moving through.So that comes back to me when I hear your words.Yeah.Laurie: And no matter what, even if we’re just ticking our toe in, the truth is that we’re really right in the center of it and it’s just, you know, our personal will that’s saying, well, no, I’m just gonna stick my toe in.That we’re always in exactlythatJoan: state of connection, whether we’re consciously aware of it.Yeah. Or open to it or not. Yes. Right.Laurie: That is what I mean.Joan: Yeah. So tell our listeners how they can find you. I of course, will put things in the show notes, but, but tell them what you would like to share.Laurie: Sure. Um, I am on all the different social medias. I’m not on TikTok, but I am. Pretty much everywhere else.Um, and on my website is thebacainstitute.com. That’s BACA and you can find all my blog posts. You can find the Quantum Connection quiz that you mentioned. And, uh, and that’s allowing you to see what your, , your quantum connection archetype is. And that’s gonna give you a whole lot of information about your superpower, your, you know, your learning edge.Um, so it’s, I think it’s, I think it’s a pretty worthwhile step in one’s own thing. Um, there’s Turaya Meditation that I do twice a week, and you can find out about that, about Turaya Touch classes. This year I’ll be going to Hawaii, to not to Hawaii, to Australia a lot farther, um, to teach and um, and of course, you know, Unconditional Remembrance, Your Connection to Source.Joan: Right, right here.There it is. Thank you.Laurie: Thank you.Joan: Beautiful. So I wanna thank you, Laurie. I, I feel like we’ve just, we have just touched the, the tip, the very tip and would love to have you back another time. Um, but I wanna thank you for just your presence, for your Yes to being here, but also to writing the book.Laurie: Yeah. Thank you Joan. I, I, so appreciate how you are in this, in this time and in this way, and, and I, I just feel the, such a, a beautiful flow and I love it. Thank you.Joan: Thank you. My pleasure. And we wanna thank you dear listener, for being here with us. And I do like, I like to remind my, my listeners, which I think you’ll appreciate that whether they are making ripples in their life, whether you’re making ripples or making big waves in your life, that you are love and you are loved. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Join host Joan Advent in this special episode of The Crone Codes, where eight incredible women share their unique voices through original songs, poetry, and testimonies.Featuring Sarah Songbird, Jade Orth, Kirsty Lee Kaye, Mafalda Moreira, Lacey Amling, Corinne Starr, Cat Wilson, and Rachael Sparks, this compilation captures the diverse experiences and wisdom of women at various life stages.From heartfelt songs and powerful poems to personal stories of resilience and divine grace, immerse yourself in the richness of these inspiring contributions.Don't miss out on the contact details and further information about these talented women in the show notes.00:00 Welcome to The Crone Codes 02:20 Sarah Songbird's Musical Journey 07:03 Jade Orth's Poetic Expression 11:36 Kirsty Lee's Song of Connection 17:36 Mafalda's Shamanic Poetry 23:17 Lacey's Proclamation of Medicine 27:21 Corinne's Song of Unity 34:28 Cat's Reflection on Beauty and Ugliness 48:20 Rachael's Testimony of Grace Sarah Songbird is a singer and songwriter based in Santa Cruz, California. Her latest album Get Free will be released on January 9th. sarahsongbirdmusic.com Instagram: @sarahsongbirdmusicJade Orth is a devoted wife and mother, creative, and advocate.Instagram: @jade_orthKirsty Lee Kaye (formerly Ayanibu)Instagram: @ayanibu_Mafalda Moreira is a space holder with a ritualistic heart and a researcher’s mind. Her book, 'Everyone You Are' is a collection of shamanic poetry and storytelling infused with myth and metaphor. Every One You AreInstagram: @hallowed_tree_circleLacey Amling is a Shamanic Healing practitioner, who walks beside clients as a bridge to their guides and higher self—bringing through messages, clarity, and gentle yet profound soul healing. www.whispersofwillows.comInstagram: Lacey Amling Corinne Starr—formerly Corinne Gibbons—is an award-winning artist, educator, and environmental activist whose work turns the power of voice into a global force for connection. www.singingisfreedom.comCat Wilson is a trauma informed, somatic therapist, ceremonial bodyworker, sensual dance & grief facilitator with 2 decades of experience in embodiment and the healing arts. stillpointbodywork.as.meInstagram: @hersoftpowerRachael Sparks is a Weaving the Way Creatrix and Sacred Cartographer.Instagram: @22cosmicsojourner Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Host, Joan Advent shares deeply personal stories and insightful reflections to guide listeners to embrace the completions and tenderizing moments of loss, crisis and profound challenge many are experiencing as we close this potent nine year cycle. Joan invites listeners to a community Completion Ceremony and to reflect on their own lives to partner with both universal and personal energies to clear and shed past burdens. She emphasizes the importance of self-prioritization, presence, and conscious reflection as we pave the way for a new beginning. This episode concludes with a guided meditation to remember our innate power to shape our experience and response to all life brings us. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

In this episode of the Crone Codes, host Joan Advent welcomes Nicola Amadora, PhD to explore the deep feminine and Mary Magdalene’s way. Nicola shares her journey and the profound experiences that led her to teach and embody feminine life power. From a harrowing initiation in the Amazon jungle to the revelations and healings she has witnessed, Nicola’s story is a compelling call to reconnect with the sacred, primordial life force. They discuss the importance of honoring feminine wisdom, its role in healing and transformation, and how women can begin to cultivate this potent energy in their own lives.For more from Nicola Amadora, PhD.Nicolaamadora.comFeminine Nectar MeditationAccess Nicola’s exclusive Crone Codes Bonus Content: A Taste of Feminine Life Power.Transcript Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

In this insightful episode host, Joan Advent unpacks the code of consent as a cornerstone of our inherent Feminine Nature. She shares current scientific understanding of the process of conception to highlight our inherent Feminine gifts. Lastly, Joan draws upon indigenous Hawaiian and Mū wisdom to outlines how our organic Masculine Nature partners and supports our Feminine to powerfully create our visions and lives. This episode is a call to reclaim the partnership of our balanced and whole inner Masculine and Feminine.00:00 Welcome to The Crone Codes01:57 Introduction to the Crone Code of Consent02:42 Our Feminine Nature and Consent04:39 Honoring the Feminine and Masculine 06:20 Feminine and Masculine Consent08:08 Reclaiming our innate Feminine and Masculine 10:29 The Feminine as Visionary Leader13:26 The Masculine as Hero14:30 Call to Action and Community Engagement17:00 Bonus Content and Final ThoughtsMentioned in this episode:Ke’oni Hanalei and Pohala Hawaiian BotanicalsLove & Will: Our True Nature with Marion Rose PhD*Access Reclaim your Power of Consent bonus content. and subscribe to our paid Crone Codes Bonus Community Membership to go deeper into the Crone Codes with tools, prompts, resources + bonus surprises curated just for you.Read Joan’s latest Crone Codes revelations, reflections + episode backstories: Joan Advent SubstackTranscriptJoan: Hello and welcome to the Crone Codes. I’m your host, the creator and resident crone Joan Advent, and I have a very powerful crone code to talk with you about today. It is a code that is rooted in our feminine nature. We might not necessarily consider it to be an aspect of our feminine, but in fact, from the perspective and the lens of indigenous Hawaiian and Mū culture, it is the basis of our feminine.It is the kind of the ultimate essence of our feminine. And so I want to unpack that with you today. So this particular piece of wisdom came to me through a mentor that I’m working with, Ke’oni Hanalei of Pohala Botanicals. He is a teacher of this indigenous Hawaiian wisdom, and he is , a living transmission of his indigenous Hawaiian lineage. So the code that I wanna talk with you about today is the code of consent. As I said from this lens, this indigenous Hawaiian lens, our feminine nature, our inner embodied feminine is all about consent. It’s about safety, it’s about choice.There is a, indigenous Hawaiian, affirmation related to the feminine. And it goes, Ua Malu, I am safe. And I decide.So not that long ago, I was scrolling through my Instagram feed and saw a reminder of the new awareness that we now have in science, that at the time of conception what was once thought to be an experience of, we’ll say male dominance through the fastest swimmer or the strongest swimmer of the sperm making its way to penetrate the egg. That of course has been debunked, and now there is the recognition and the realization that it is actually the egg that chooses which sperm she wants to procreate with.She is consenting to who she chooses to procreate with. And why is that so groundbreaking? And why is this so important for us to discuss? Well, our capacity for consent really is the foundation of all of our yeses in our life and all of our nos.If we can be grounded in our capacity to consent, there is so much power that dwells in that. And of course our consent and that sense of what is a yes for me and what is a no for me is rooted in our body. It is a visceral experience that we have. And here’s the thing, we are going to spend a whole lot of time moving forward.We are just at the beginning of our Crone Codes journey, and we are going to spend a whole lot of time unpacking various codes associated with our Feminine. And it’s so critical that we also are unpacking and integrating and including those qualities of our Masculine, because the truth is, as human beings, we are both. Ke’oni, my mentor likes to say I am 100% masculine and I am 100% feminine. The truth is regardless of our gender, that is the reality that we are both. And ultimately in this journey towards wholeness in this journey towards cronehood it is an integration. And it is learning how to harmonize these two aspects of ourselves, our masculine dimension, our feminine dimension, and all of the qualities that stream forth from each of those in order for us to function at our highest, in order for us to create in our lives, in order for us to enjoy the fulfillment of life on this planet. The only way we can do it is if we have an integration of these two aspects of ourself, our feminine nature, and our masculine nature.So going back to consent. Consent is as I said, that awareness of what is a yes or what is a no, it is that clarity. It is that visioning of knowing this is something I can move forward with or this is something I want to experience or it’s not.So that is the feminine aspect. And then if we look at how does the masculine work with that or how does it support? And actually, the way that it provides support is our masculine nature is the part of us that follows through on that consent. It ensures that that consent is honored. It is the aspect of us that sets the boundary.It is the aspect of us that maintains the boundary. It is the part of us that advocates for ourself, that advocates and speaks up for our yeses, for our no’s. And as you can see, we need both. We need both hands, so to speak. We need both components in order for us to have a sense of safety and sovereignty and empowerment, and frankly, to just get off the ground in becoming who we came here to be and to do what we came here to do.The fact is that frequently we are out of balance and we don’t have that integrated sense of both. We have all experienced living in a culture that overvalue the masculine, that overvalues masculine qualities and ways of being that has denigrated and diminished our feminine nature. It’s part of why it’s so important that we’re having discussions like this, that we are highlighting these aspects of our feminine nature so we can reclaim the dignity, reclaim the honor, but also reclaim the true and unadulterated versions of these important codes and qualities. It’s the only way our inner feminine and masculine can come into balance and wholeness and work together.So part of why I am speaking to this is because we as women are emerging from systemic misogyny. And we as humanity are dealing with personal and societal trauma of just living in what my last guest, Marion Rose calls the disconnected domination culture.So if you’re anything like me coming back from the misogyny and living in a culture that is so profoundly out of balance, has been quite a long journey.It’s been quite a long journey, of recognizing and remembering the sacred in my feminine nature so I could have the capacity to even see and recognize the sacred in the true divine masculine nature.And so the thing that I am so struck by when I consider this piece, related to conception and the way conception works is it is such a highlight for the natural gifts of our Feminine.Just think about it. The egg determines, like the egg. Our feminine is multidimensional in nature. We are, we as the feminine, that aspect of us has that open connection if we’re able to allow it. That open connection to spirit, to the divine, to God, to the wisdom, to know what is the absolute right combination for this life to come in for this body, for this set of DNA to come in and create a human life.It’s the feminine. Just as that is true in conception, it’s true in our whole life. That it clearly, I have, um, big feelings about this. It is the feminine aspect of our nature that is plugged in to the other side, to the, to the unseen dimensions that can inform how we’re meant to live our lives.What is a yes and what is a no? Even if at face value, it doesn’t make any sense to us, but our, our body, our visceral experience is saying, this is a no for me. I don’t care what anybody else says. I don’t care what, makes sense on paper. This is what’s true for me.And the fact is, is our masculine is so much because it is more uni dimensional, one dimensional. Not to diminish it at all, but it is what is able to get the job done. It’s what is able to take all that multidimensional vision and wisdom and clarity and bring it into the 3D. Bring it into our life and create what it is we’re wanting to create.And so back to the Hawaiian, indigenous lens. So from that standpoint, the Feminine is considered the Leader. The leader from the standpoint that they receive the visions and they see where we’re headed or where we need to go. And the masculine is considered the Hero. The hero that can accomplish or get it done. And just coming back to the reminder, that, that is the highest resonance of who we are designed to be as humans.That our feminine nature is our visionary leader and that our masculine nature is the get it done, hero. For so many of us, we have outsourced aspects of that. We have outsourced either that, uh, protective mechanism of the masculine or we have outsourced, uh, even the consent of looking to others for permission to do what we know we are meant to do. Or to do what is a yes for us? What is true for us. And this conversation that we’re having today is a call to bring those parts of us back, to bring them into right balance.This feels really important to transmit.Your inner feminine wisdom, your inner feminine knowing, intuition, visioning, is the North Star for you to be tuned in, in so many ways, for what you’re meant to take action on or not in your life. What you’re meant to pursue. Who you’re meant to be or how you’re meant to be. And then your masculine is the one that comes in with the discipline, et cetera, to make it happen.So can you see how valuable and important it is and how it can enable you to detach from other people’s agendas? How it can engender, a sense of sovereignty and leadership. KC Baker, who was my very first interview, likes to speak about self-leadership, and that feels like an apropos, term at this point. Can you see how when we have that balance of our inner masculine and inner feminine, we are capable of self-leadership. We are capable of creation at levels and in ways that we just cannot achieve without that balance.So I really encourage you to let this wash over you. There are so many other dimensions, of our masculine and our feminine, but this, to me feels so critical and so foundational to our capacity to rise in our cronehood, to embody our cronehood.And so I wanted to lead with this.So if you’re on Substack or YouTube, would love to hear your thoughts or input on this. Love to hear how this is landing for you and what it inspires in you or brings up.And if you would like to go deeper, if you would like to unpack the places where you are, outsourcing your feminine code of consent, And or your masculine code of being a guardian of that consent, I encourage you to check out the Crone Codes Bonus Content Membership. There are a few things there that will be very powerful in that regard. The first is The Willingness Practice that Marion Rose generously donated to our bonus community after her interview, earlier this month. And then the bonus content for this episode will specifically be targeted around reclaiming your power, those places where you have outsourced those codes related to consent and being the guardian of that. So I have put the link in the show notes if that’s something you are interested in. Also, just to let you know, this past summer I did offer an extended masterclass on the indigenous Hawaiian perspective on the Feminine, that Feminine Foundation.I will put the link in the show notes as well, so you can access the replay for that.And finally, my dear listener, as always, I want to remind you that whether you’re making ripples or big waves in this world, that you are love and you are loved. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Experience the healing of Love & Will Work in action in this unique dialogue between host, Joan Advent and seasoned Psychospiritual Psychologist, Aware Parenting Instructor and creator of the Marion Method, Marion Rose PhD. Marion explains these key crone codes, their roots, their importance in healing humanity, and the impact of the disconnection domination culture on women and our power.She opens up about the chaos, dark night, emerging clarity, and the personal and lineage healing she’s experiencing in her second Saturn Return. Lastly, Marion shares glimpses of the profound love and growth occurring in her multigenerational home, her conversations with life, and her animal sanctuary. This slow and intentional dialogue is presented as a modern version of a letter exchange.00:00 Welcome to The Crone Codes00:48 Introducing Marion Rose03:16 Marion’s Work, Resources and Accomplishments09:44 Love Work, Will Work and the Disconnected, Domination Culture19:32 Marion’s Saturn Return Experience28:17 New Teachings Emerging from the Dark Night32:03 Conversations with Life, the DDC and Women’s Power34:47 The Healing in Our Exchange37:29 Multi-Generational Living40:35 Navigating Life’s Challenges and Embracing Chaos44:45 The Beauty of Aging and Personal Growth49:14 Concluding Reflections and AppreciationsTo learn more about Marion Rose PhD and all of her work go to: marionrose.net*Access Marion’s The Willingness Practice PDF and subscribe to our paid Crone Codes Bonus Community Membership to go deeper into the Crone Codes with tools, prompts, resources + bonus surprises curated just for you.Read Joan’s latest Crone Codes revelations, reflections + episode backstories: Joan Advent SubstackTranscriptWelcome to The Crone CodesJoan: Hello, and welcome back to the Crone Codes. I am your host. The creator and resident crone, Joan Advent and I have a very special treat for you today, listener.Introducing Marion RoseJoan: I have a colleague and a friend, and I would say a wise, wise soul sister joining me. This has been a long time in the making. This episode, Marion Rose is joining me today, and she is on the other side of the world.I am here in the eastern seaboard of the United States. Marion is in Australia. I can’t remember. Pardon me, Marion if it’s the Melbourne, Melbourne area or what area it is, but I’m sure you can clarify that for us. Anyway. It’s her tomorrow. It’s my tomorrow. She’s in my tomorrow. She’s in her today. She’s in spring.I’m in the fall. We’re in the fall here. Northern hemisphere. Southern hemisphere. So there’s a whole lot of, um. Interesting polarities that are occurring in this. And we have worked long and hard to try and find a time when we could do an actual interview together. And as it turns out, that is not how this podcast episode is meant to unfold.So after a few months of going back and forth and it being quite clear that there was, it just was not gonna come together, that we could find a time. I proposed that we do a series where I ask questions and Marion responds almost like it brought me back to whether it was the letter in the bottle days, or I think about, um, famous founding fathers here like Thomas Jefferson, who would write letters to his wise colleagues and they would correspond. So this is the modern day Zoom technology version of Marion Rose and I corresponding across. Across the ethers across the consciousness, across the planet, across the days, and the dateline.Marion’s Work, Resources & AccomplishmentsJoan: So this may sound a little bit different than you are accustomed to, but as we often do, we are going to begin with Marion’s very accomplished biography. I wanna invite you, dear listener and Marion to close your eyes and to just receive this as something washing over you. Just these accomplishments, washing over you, and again, tuning in to see what are the crone codes, the unique crone codes that Marion has gathered as she has created this very comprehensive, list of accomplishments. So I invite you to close your eyes I’m going to share the wonder of Marion.So Marion Rose has a 38 year history in psychology, psychospiritual psychotherapy, and consciousness with a PhD on postnatal depression and the mother infant relationship from Cambridge University. She’s been working therapeutically in one-on-one sessions with mentees for the last three decades.She is an Aware Parenting instructor and has been for the last 20 years. She’s a level two instructor and the regional coordinator for Aware Parenting for Australia, New Zealand and Indonesia. She has seven bestselling books published on Aware Parenting, including two Aware Parenting children’s books with many more on the way.She has a 23-year-old daughter and a 19-year-old son. She is the founder and creator of the Marion Method, A psychospiritual paradigm. of Re-Parenting and reculturing. She mentors parents and those who are not parents, as will as people who want to become aware. Parenting instructors and Marion Method mentors.She creates online courses in Aware Parenting and the Marion Method and is passionate about creating cultural change through these paradigms. She hosted the Aware Parenting Podcast until it had 3.3 million plays. Now is hosting the Living Aware Parenting Podcast, as well as the Marion Rose Podcast.Welcome, Marion.Marion: Hello, lovey. Joan, thank you for that beautiful introduction. I loved closing my eyes and listening into you sharing about my journey over the past 38 years, I think you shared. Hmm. I find the younger parts of me. Uh, excited and delighted to see how things are turning out. So I’m here recording outside after a stormy day here in, I’m in Mullumbimby in Northern New South Wales.Joan: So I reached out to Marion as soon as I knew I was going to be creating the Crone Codes. Marion was actually one of the last people that I interviewed on my former podcast, Trust your Sacred Feminine Flow. I believe that was back in 2021. And at that time she was just beginning speaking about culture and the over culture andI think it’s the DDC, the disconnected and domination culture. She was speaking quite a lot about that, and many people might use the word patriarchy, but there’s a way in which Marion articulates what’s happening in the culture, and particularly as someone with expertise and wisdom as it relates to parenting,Infant mother relationship both externally and that inner parenting component that we can do for ourselves and with ourselves.There is a way that her unique lens of having done a deep dive into all of that wisdom, particularly including. The psycho-spiritual lens that illuminates, what is happening culturally in a way that I have not heard anyone else describe.So, as I said, when I knew I was creating this podcast, I reached out to Marion and I wanted her to be one of my very first guests.Love Work, Will Work and the Disconnected, Domination CultureJoan: In part because there is wisdom and teaching she offers through the Marion method specifically related to what she calls love work, and will work. That prompted me to want to reach out to her, so I don’t want to take too much time leading in.I want to be able to get into the questions. But there are so many pieces that we could touch on, and so I’m gonna pause with all the things I could speak about. I’m gonna pause about that and just dive into my question for now. And Marion I would love it if you could illuminate for us. What is love work?What is will work and how do they fit with I, I know you are a teacher and a believer that we, as I understand it, are both loving beings and powerful beings, or that’s my translation, but I would love for you to unpack for us Love and Will and how you’ve come to learn or discover these two foundational pillars of,of who we are as humans and how we heal or grow or expand as humans. So if you would just fill us in on that and any connections or stories you wanna include with that would be most welcome.Marion: Thank you, and yes, the Disconnected Domination Culture. And I would love to share both about the disconnected domination culture and what I call Love and Will. And you asked about where these ideas came from or where I, where I co-created them with life and many of my mentors and teachers. And so I have been influenced by many different modalities, including Psychosynthesis by Roberto Assagioli, Aware Parenting by Aletha Solter, PhD.NVC on Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg, PhD, and, the Field Project, by Philip Golabuk. And when I was training as a psychosynthesis psychotherapist in the nineties, there was this thing they, they introduced me to love and will, a psychosynthesis did. And my teachers, Joan and Roger Evans taught a lot about this. And this will thing, I just was like, I just did not understand the will at all.I did not understand it. And it’s really then become a passion of mine. And actually, I’m writing a book, which I’ve written about half. And then the way I like to write books is write. Or some of it and then pause for quite some time and come back to it. And in that book, I talk a lot about how, in my understanding, what I call the love element is really, spoken about a lot in many modalities, many psychotherapies, many spiritual practices and traditions.And in my understanding, the will and willingness is spoken about much less and included much less. Mmm, so disconnected domination culture, and as you say, it’s much bigger than what people might call the patriarchy.And the reason I created that term, which was inspired by the term that Marshall Rosenberg used the domination system, I think he called it. He was also inspired by a man called Walter Wink, who came up with that term. The way I see it as human beings, our true nature, as you were saying, is love and will.We are love, which is not only loving and compassionate and empathic naturally in our soul, in who we really are. But that also means interconnected with all, all that is, so everything that’s related to love. So it’s not just what we might see as love in terms of maybe romantic relationship or, you know, feeling love towards our child.It’s everything related to love, compassion, interconnectedness, attunement, all of those lovely things. And I think that that area is much more understood and explored. So, In this culture that we’re in, if you’re speaking English, our true nature is love and our interconnectedness has been deeply affected. And as you say, that’s my learning about that has really been influenced by my history looking at birth and the effects of birth on, babies. But also on the mother baby relationship, the, the baby parent relationship, that ongoing journey and how in this culture, there’s a lot of disconnection that happens, and I would say is deliberately created to create this disconnected domination culture.So disconnection needs to come first. And disconnection opens the way for domination. So domination is the opposite of the other part of our true nature, as will as powerful beings. So the true nature of power, not power as we see it in this culture, but true power as souls. So the understanding that we not only live in an incredibly powerful world construct, but that we also are influencing that construct, our experience of that, not in a kind of solipsistic way. Not in a, I don’t use the word manifesting, for example. If you do, I invite you to use whatever words you want. But to me it’s really understanding more and more this nature of the power that we have. The influence that we do have.And so this love and will is I see as souls who we really are, souls of love and will born into this disconnected domination culture. Which tries to trick us out of our true nature as love by disconnecting us, uh, giving us experiences that mean we don’t, many of us don’t feel deeply interconnected with all that is with life, with the trees, with the beings, with our lineage, with our with our ancestors and our traditions, our spiritual traditions from way back. Disconnection happens. And domination in terms of all the ways in which we’re tricked into believing that we’re not powerful.And on a very practical way, that’s through things like, guilt, which is a is a DDC construct, guilt. Basically all the ways in which we are told that we cannot do things, we should not do things. All these, what I call will hurts, which are actually silt up our connection with power. So my understanding of this is that we are like a torus. So, you know, like the, like the donut. A toroidal field and the love is more like the, the donutey parts. And the will, well it’s the willingness channel basically, which is where, where the power, flows. Which is the power of what you might call the universe, and that gets silted up. So every time as children, we are told that we shouldn’t and we can’t. Every time our frustration, our outrage, our anger is not welcomed. Every time we internalize, I shouldn’t, I mustn’t, I can’t, I have to. All of these concepts, we often get this silting up of our willingness channel. Which means, as adults, we have less of a sense of our true power. So in my work with the Marion Method, I am passionate about supporting people to become more and more connected with who they really are as unique souls of love and will, meaning that we are interconnected with all that is.But in terms of the will element, each of us is a unique soul. Hello, lovely cicadas. A unique soul here with unique gifts in the world here to share, uniquely here to contribute in unique ways, in whatever way that is. So I’m passionate about supporting people to become more who they really are. And the way I say it is to, to support people to have a personality, a life and relationships that are more of a, um, accurate reflection of their soul. Because the personality we develop in the DDC is often so much, an interaction between who we really are and how we need to be in this culture in order to survive, in order to be loved, belong, be safe, all of those things.And with the Marion Method work, I support people too still, we need a personality to live in this construct, this world. But for the personality to become more and more, an accurate representation of who we most truly are. Which means we feel more ourselves. We’re able to be more authentic in our lives. To have this deep sense of meaning and purpose and to be contributing in the world in the ways that we feel deeply called to.So that’s the love and the will. That’s the disconnected domination culture or DDC. And all of life is here in this little part of Mullumbimby with me as I share about this.Joan: I wanna say thank you for that, Marion, that very full and meaningful explanation.Marion’s Saturn Return ExperienceJoan: And um, I just wanna name that one of the factors that was impacting our capacity to connect and find a time that we could do this is that you are going through a passage. You are going through your second Saturn return, and you and I had spoken about that, and it just seemed like it was this relentless onslaught of very intense and big events happening in your life that just were requiring all of your attention, as I understand it. Andactually, my last episode, I spoke to some extent about Saturn returns and particularly our second Saturn return. And if you’re open to it, if you’re willing, would love to hear your sharing, just your understanding as you’re still in the midst of this for, for any of our listeners who might be in the thick of it themselves. To, to just speak to, we know you are quite an accomplished woman and, and yet it seems you have been, you know, in the storm.So that it, it’s not about, uh, I, I guess, I guess what I’m trying to say is.No one comes out unscathed, so to speak when it comes to Saturn if there are things that need to be addressed, um, they show up. No matter how on top of things, we might be going into our Saturn return. And I did speak to some of my own experience in the last episode, which is Embracing Our Third Acts. But I would love to hear from you your firsthand, , download from the front, so to speak, from the front of the Saturn return. What is it that you have to say? And in particular, how you are coming into that experience with the love work and with the will work, how it has been informing that passage for you? So would love to just have you speak to that.Marion: Ahh, and yes, the double Saturn return, what a humdinger that is. And I turn the light on and I find it how interesting that there’s this, this, um this image here. And again, the cicadas is here. I’m so willing for you to be able to hear clearly despite the, the noise of these beings. And I am sad that I haven’t yet listened to that episode, Joan, because I’m really looking forward to hearing more about your experience. And yes, I, I mean, I think I’m on the tail end.Who knows how long it’s gonna be. I’m certainly not in the, the, the, the intensest part of that journey, which for me really was, Uh, a combination of a deep questioning of my purpose and meaning, which is very unusual for me. I’ve been connected with what I’m here to do from my uh, late teens. And it’s been like that ever since, which I’m so grateful for because I know that’s not everyone’s experience. But this was a humdinger of really questioning that. Which, you know, I was feeling hopelessness.I was thinking about leaving everything, just about. All the things that have been meaningful and purposeful for me. And at the same time, I had some very significant physical symptoms and a lot of physical pain. I have a particular modality that I find incredibly helpful. So that was really supporting me in having meaning and purpose about what I was, what was being healed in me, what my beautiful body was doing to heal from.And a lot of it was, hmm well still this ongoing journey for me about getting clearer and clearer about my yeses and nos. And for me, this is central work in any soul work because for me, the way our soul communicates is through our yeses and nos. That’s how our soul tells us what, what the next step is in our lives.Hello, lovely cicadas. Yes, hello, lovely wind. So willing for you to still be able to hear clearly. So you asked how the love and the will work was helpful and a lot of it was really listening in with lots and lots of support, listening in to where had I been not really honoring some nos that were very subtle.What was I really wanting to say no to in terms of these next steps in my life? And actually I really revisited the the inner loving presence process work, which is a core part of the love work. And I was really focusing on a lot of inner loving presences work. So this is a way of mmm, connecting with the, well actually I was doing a lot of the soul versions of people work, so really connecting with the soul versions of people going back to old experiences, long themes, long family themes as will So we also had in the midst of this. mmm, my mom, my mother who’s 94, her brother, uh, left his body at 96 and 12 days later on the funeral of my mom’s brother, her sister then left her body at 98. And there’d been lots in the field as well before with our the animals in our environment. So it was a lot about this sense of my mom now being the matriarch from being the youngest sibling and me revisiting a lot of very old family themes, particularly in relation to loss and fear. And I’m just so grateful for this work. So the love work in terms of my deep, unconditional love for myself and my body. I don’t know how I would’ve got through it as it was. And my heart goes out to anyone with chronic pain because three months of it was, I found a lot. And the will work really in terms of getting clear about my yeses and nos and.So that the most deepest part of the physical pain and the emotional pain and the hopelessness was, I don’t, I don’t really have a sense of time. I don’t really count time, but it was, I don’t know, I could guess maybe six weeks or something. So I’m still definitely still moving with things coming into this sense of integration and, um, all of this.Coming into the physical realms, but that’s really what I’m experienced so far. And yeah, I’m just so grateful to have understood at near the beginning of it, oh my gosh, this is what was happening. I remembered my, mentor Roger Evans sharing about his experience of it in the Psychosynthesis training, and I was so grateful to have the understanding of what I was going through.It’s so helpful, isn’t it, having these maps and models of rites of passage and developmental changes and shifts I think are life changing.Joan: Hmm. Yes.So I’m remembering that you did phrase your experience in part as a dark night of the soul, and I certainly felt that for myself as well. My own second Saturn return was quite a dark night of the soul when things really hit the fan. So. Thank you for being willing to share your experience here with us.I know it will be deeply helpful and meaningful to many people, and I know that you have, which I, I found to be true for myself. It’s like coming through that passage and out the other side that, that you are creating. Some new forms for your work.New Teachings Emerging from the Dark NightJoan: You are creating some new offerings and would love if you could tell us about, uh, the teachings or about the elements of these offers that you’re feeling called to do now and how this transition.Through this passage, this dark night of the soul is illuminating your work and just what is it you’re feeling deeply called to share with the world now, and how are these a reflection of who you are at this stage of your life and your work?Marion: Uh, yes. The Dark Night of the Soul. Absolutely. That’s absolutely been my experience. And yes, in terms of the new clarity, I mean, I’ve been really focusing a lot on my role as an Aware Parenting instructor and the regional coordinator for Australian New Zealand and Indonesia, as you said, and writing books about Aware Parenting.And every time I felt drawn to move towards sharing a deepening my sharings about the Marion Method, I had this sense of life saying, yes sweetheart, we know you to do that, but actually we’ve got more for you to do over here. And the big part of that, moving through, Hello cicadas. This dark night of the soul, this double Saturn Return is really centering myself rather than being centered in Aware Parenting with Marion Method, the Marion Method is an extra, really having a sense of centering myself in the unique work that I’m bringing to the world.So in the Marion Method work. Still, I’m still passionate about Aware Parenting. I still am gonna be sharing lots about it. And I had the sense of, ah, now is the time. Now is the time. And I’ve had ideas for particular offerings for years, for since 2020. I had some very strong callings to create, offerings and books in particular about True Power.So I’ve got some sense now that now I, I was, I knew back then, I started actually creating a course on True Power and I was like, Hmm, nope, I’m not ready. I’m not ready. I’m not in the place for myself to really, to really offer these teachings in the truly embodied way. And now I am. So I’ve got various ideas about books and courses that are, that are coming to me, various titles, finishing, uh, and putting out to the world a Psycho-spiritual Re-parenting book that I wrote back in 2019.I think I’ve got this half written book on the Willingness Work, which is really about understanding the power of our yeses and the creative force of those. And what willingness is compared to manifestation. Uh, it’s a very different map and model compared to how most people see that type of work. And, oh, it’s a lovely bat.Yesterday, my, it was the, my dad’s birthday, he left his body, 16 years ago and I asked him to communicate with me and he came as a bat and he, here he is again. Lovely, lovely Bat, lovely Dad. And you know, thinking about bats and how they’re perceived in this world. And it was also Halloween yesterday as will So hello Dad. Um, wow. So I’ve never seen a bat as clearly as I had. We have them flying over right now and every night, but I’ve never seen one as clearly as how they move in the trees and. I saw it last night and now I’m seeing another one tonight. Totally different place.Conversations with Life, the DDC and Women’s PowerMarion: So this work is not only about the Love Work and the Will Work, it’s also about what I call Conversations with Life.So that’s why I include the cicadas, the plane, the bat. Because there not just a kind of ideas way, my experience is that everything that’s happening, the fact that this light is on, looks very Saturnian to me. The bat, my dad, the bat’s coming over the cicadas, in and out the plane. That, that we are always in a holographic reality.Life is constantly communicating with us. So you can see the bats too. And you know, that’s really been our experience here too, hasn’t it? With this, conversation it really wanted to be in a particular way. And my sense is it, it wants to be here in the wildness and in the reality of nature.And for me, part of that, so this is what I’m gonna share from this now experience is. I am also called to share about, particularly for women, women in the DDC and this whole process of aging and power and how the DDC, there are pivotal moments in our lives as women where the portal for our power is strongest and where the DDC has most, desire to disconnect us from it. One is at, uh, puberty, as young women. Think of all the energy of young women that goes towards boy bands, for example. Imagine that energy being used in service of life. And you could say, boy, bands might be, and I’m not saying it isn’t, but there the next portal is, pregnancy and birth.Again, DDC does a lot to trick women into believing they’re not powerful. And the next one is, uh, around menopause and post-menopausal women, because holy moly, we get more and more powerful as we care less and less what the DDC thinks and what anyone thinks. And then my sense is my mum’s in this stage, uh, the, the eldership, the next stage of eldership.So I’m really having a sense that it will be increasingly cool to share more about that too. And my apologies because as it’s getting darker, you can see me less clearly. And again, I’m just gonna trust that that one is what wants to be here. A lot of my, anytime I do recordings, I seem to be given the mmm, information that life doesn’t want me to do things in quiet studios.Because it just seems almost impossible to create that.The Healing in Our ExchangeMarion: So that’s a little bit about the callings and I’m excited to see how they unfold. So thank you for the question, Joan, and I’m so loving the conversation, even though we’re not here in, in consecutive time. We’re at, at time together, I really have the sense of us being here together.Joan: Thank you for that, Marion. I know that many are going to be reached and transformed. You have such a cultivated wisdom around the power of relating and deeply meeting the other person and deeply meeting yourself. And I do want to share that with the many exchanges that Marion and I have had over these last I guess four months at this point. There were times when Marion was concerned about how I was receiving her situation or the lack of progress, and repeatedly she would say to me or she would correspond to me, I, “I welcome all of your feelings about this”.Joan: And I have to say just the, the healing aspect of having someone, particularly in a professional setting acknowledge whether it was, um, that there might be disappointment or frustration or anger, but to, to have an open door policy, an open heart policy of, I welcome all of your feelings, was in fact deeply, deeply healing for me. And that is something you are a master of. You are a master of transmitting that and that work. And what an antidote for this disconnected domination centered culture. So powerful antidote.Multi-Generational LivingJoan: So the final piece I would love to ask you about, because I’m aware that your own journey and, and you can speak to this as much or as little as you would like, uh, with the mother infant relationship went back to your very own experience with your mother as an infant. And just the tending and the healing, the inspiration that perhaps some lacks you experienced in that as an infant inspired your own work in such a powerful way.And now here you are all these years later with your mother, who I believe is 94 at this point, who is living with you in your home as well as your two young adult children. So there you are in this multi-generational family living situation and being, being that center point in a way with each generation. The generation before you and the generation you are stewarding. And in, in many ways you are stewarding, I would say both, uh, both generations at this point. And certainly there are many women who might not necessarily be all living under the same roof, but who are in the position of what they call the sandwich generation, where tending to aging parents or tending to kids. But because of the nature of your work, because of the exquisite way that you cultivate relationship, if you’re willing, I would love to hear you share about your experience with all this. With having your young adult children who are, growing and becoming their own people and the way, yeah, the way you’ve shared about each of them in different ways. And then with your mother. So is there anything. That feels like you would like to share with us about this experience.Because you have created what seems like a, a sanctuary space, frankly, for Lineage and for your family. And not many of us necessarily have that experience. So. Not sure what I’m getting at, but I’m kind of poking around it and would love to just hear how you respond to that.Navigating Life’s Challenges and Embracing ChaosJoan: And I know being in Australia that you’ve had some very serious things occur with like life changing floods and fires years before that. And then the whole COVID, lockdowns were very, very extreme. And, and so has that colored how you’ve been with your family or has it impacted the choice to have you all together? I would just love to hear you speak to whatever extent you would like to about this for us.Marion: Joan, before I respond to, your last question, I would also really love to respond to what you said about our interactions and how much you appreciated me saying many times, I’m so here to listen to any feelings you have in relation to all the delays and the disappearances. And I’ve been doing that a lot recently because of all that, I’ve been through a lot of repairing, a lot of offering empathy, a lot of listening to how my, often not responding to people has affected them.And I’d really love to say, you know, again, this is key to the getting free from guilt and shame work basically. Because many years ago I was so terrified to have any kind of effect or impact on others that I virtually didn’t speak because I was so, I was hitting my, what I call the shame sticks. I was hitting myself so much with shame sticks and guilt sticks, that it was unbearable for me to hear anything from anybody in terms of how I might have affected them.So I was kind of paralyzed into this sense of just needing to say yes all the time. And after a lot of work, I’m now comfortable to say, I am so sorry. I really deeply acknowledge how long it is since you’ve heard from me or since you’ve received an email and I’m so here to listen to all your feelings about it.And I’ve been needing to do that a lot recently and still absolutely there are still some younger parts that sometimes come up and actually feel scared when they imagine someone perhaps having really big feelings. But, but I do not hit myself with guilt or shame sticks. So there might be some fear from younger parts, but in general, that isn’t the case.I’m just like, I’m so here to listen. And again, that’s so central. If we’re gonna be able to say yes, we may have a yes and no, and we have a no. Part of that is also, um, freeing ourselves from those sticks so we can listen to the other person’s feelings if we say no to them. If we are willing, if we are willing to. There’s no have to. So I just wanted to, I really wanted to respond to that little bit before the last question.And look, we’re moving into the darkness. Again. I’m just gonna. Uh, I’m sending. So I would like to say, Joan, I’m sending you love right now. If you have any feelings in relation to the sound quality, the light quality, um, whatever’s happening here, and I’m here to listen to however this is for you. And I’m gonna listen to your next question, which I’ve listened to a little bit of.Ahh I feel so touched when I listen to you say that, Joan, and there are some storms coming now. So again, I’m just trusting this. I’m here in the darkness as is so apt for, um, um, yeah, the feminine. The being in the darkness and welcoming the beauty of the darkness. And I smiled when you said sanctuary.It’s a word I’ve been using a lot in terms of animals. I have a lot of Wild animals and, um, domesticated animals in and around my house, as you’ve probably heard. And so sanctuary has been really coming to me a lot. And I actually said today I actually have, I have a sanctuary. I’ve been saying I want an animal sanctuary.And I really claim today that I have, uh, a sanctuary for animals. Snakes are not welcome. Everyone else is. Well I’m gonna say everyone else so far. All the ones that I love are welcome.And I love what you said about the sanctuary, I think you said, for like for your, for your lineage.The Beauty of Aging and Personal GrowthMarion: And Yes, it’s been so healing, particularly for me, me and my mum, to go from the incubator experience of extreme separation.We were also separated for a year and a half when I was nine, 10. And so this upper house here is actually my mom and me and my daughter, and down in what used to be the granny flat after the floods, and it got completely renovated. My mom moved up here, everything was ripped out, started all over again.Now my son lives down there, so we’ve actually got the, the three generations of women up here, my son down in, in the, in the lower level. Um. And really what I’ve come to from it is the deep healing that that continues. The opportunity that happens at any age. My mum totally inspires me. I’m inspired by her every day.I was just sharing this today actually is mmm for example, actually with my mentor, I was sharing it today. For example, just the other day we were eating dinner and she said to me, I notice I just want to fill the space with talking. And I’m not going to, I’m just going to pause. I’m going to just be here with you.And we had a little conversation about that and that’s something that I’ve been working with for a long time and I, over quite a few years ago, I would just point out to her gently when she was doing that. And then for the last few years I haven’t really said anything about it. And I just love that 94 she is just becoming more and more connected to her true nature as love and will. Basically becoming more powerful at 94 than she was at 74, 54. And being willing to see these things. We, we have funny conversations all the time about are you willing. Because she I mean, I, I had more ability to coerce myself than anyone I knew, and I learned that from her.And so often we are like, oh, are you willing? Are you willing? Are you, oh, I want to, the kitchen’s chaos. Are you willing? Am I willing to do anything? No, I’m not. So we have these wonderful conversations. And again, I think, actually, this is the other thing I wanted to say, There’s been this massive process.And again, I feel so touched hearing your understanding with the but we had fires and floods and, um, all kinds of weather events, and it has had a big effect on me. And in terms of the, the chaos.I’ve basically from a woman who, a young woman who really needed order, uh, it was really basically the way I would dissociate from feelings. And I, I needed to have a sense of order also in terms of feeling some degree of power. To life really inviting me to be deeply comfortable with complete dis, I don’t even like the word disorder. Dis dis in front of anything. Chaos. I prefer chaos, complete chaos. So on or off, most of the time for the last five years, we have lived in some degree of chaos with major renovations, but still got a lot of boxes everywhere.The renovations are coming to this next lot are coming to an end, but to me that’s also part of getting free from DDC conditioning. Because again, I think the DDC has this, it really values the, the maiden age. It values, uh, houses that are in are new that it values spring. And what I’ve really learnt to value is all the stages and ages and to see beauty as much in chaos as in order.Beauty as much in, um, my age as in a 20-year-old. Oh, look at the storms brewing. To see the beauty in the wildness and the chaos and stuff everywhere. As much as in things being all tidy and ordered. And for me, again, that’s part of really, um, the gifts of the aging process and getting free from disconnected domination, culture conditioning, which is all about perfection and nice and good and doing what we’re told and all of those things.So it’s been really tough, actually. Tough. I, I tell myself it’s been hard and there’s been a lot of big feelings and a lot of descent, descent to the soul. And I’m so grateful for where I am as a result.Concluding Reflections and AppreciationsMarion: So I’m really touched, I really touched, I really experienced, my need to be deeply seen, met by you Joan. Thank you for, for pulling out and teasing out basically so many of the elements that have been called for me over the past while. So thank you for that. Thank you for what I see as one of your beautiful gifts in terms of clarity and , seeing, seeing what is emerging as most significant.See the lightning and the storm coming now.Thank you so much Joan. I have so enjoyed it and yes. Oh I love that audio visual pen pals. And I really loved what you said at the beginning as will this sense of a returning to an older time of communication where it was back and forth and there was this time, which I often kind of hark back to, of receiving a a message and, and it really permeating into us and sinking into us, and then responding. Rather than this kind of immediate back and forth that we’re so used to. Which is also beautiful. But the gifts of, reclaiming the older way of communicating. So thank you so much. I’ve really enjoyed it. And yes, I’m, I I, I imagine and trust that one day we’ll have a more traditional, uh, meeting.And so thank you so much for you and what you do. And, um, and lots of love to the listeners too.Joan: So Marion, I want to thank you for going on this adventure. This audio visual, pen pal, wise women exchange of ideas and wisdom with me and with us to create this episode.I do feel like the love work and particularly the will work, which I am not hearing anybody else speaking about, to me feel like two very foundational crone codes. In addition to all the other pieces that you have named for us.But I want to thank you for taking the time to create this episode with me. And perhaps at some point in the future we’ll have an opportunity to do it in a more traditional way. But I want to thank you nonetheless.And I want to thank you, dear listener, for being with us. And I want to remind you that whether you are making ripples in your life or big waves, that you are love and you are loved. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

In this episode of The Crone Codes, host Joan Advent discusses the power and potential of the ‘third act’ in our lives, focusing on late bloomers and their transformative journeys. Joan shares inspiring stories of remarkable individuals like Louise Hay, Rebecca Lattimer, and Laura Ingalls Wilder who found their true calling later in life. The episode encourages listeners, particularly those in their fifties and beyond, to trust their vision, act on their calling and pursue their unfulfilled dreams. Joan also touches on the concept of Saturn returns and how this astrological phenomenon influences our life’s purpose. Tune in to gain motivation and insight into making your own impactful ripples in the world, no matter your age.00:00 Welcome to The Crone Codes00:41 Understanding Late Bloomers and Third Acts02:50 Inspiring Stories of Late Bloomers13:36 The Significance of Saturn Return19:33 Embracing Your Third Act24:19 Support and Encouragement for Your Journey25:37 Closing Thoughts and Community Invitation*To access the Anchor Your Vision Process and go deeper into these crone codes subscribe to our low cost Crone Codes Bonus Community Membership to receive all of the tools, prompts, resources + bonus surprises curated just for you. Schedule a free Exploratory Visioning Call with Joan. We’ll take 30 minutes or so to discuss where you are on your journey and what you need assistance with at this time. I will recommend possibilities for your next steps. Lastly, we will co-discern if working together is in alignment.Explore Joan’s personal Crone Codes revelations, reflections + episode backstories and photos at Joan Advent SubstackFollow me on IG: joan.adventFollow me on: YouTube: Joan AdventDiscussed in this episode:Hay House PublishingYou Can Heal Your Life by Louise HayYou’re Not Old Until You’re 90 by Rebecca Lattimer Little House in the Big Woods by Laura Ingalls WilderThe Moth PodcastSaturn Return TranscriptHello, and welcome back to the Crone Codes. I’m your host, the creator and resident Crone Joan Advent.I wanted to talk with you today about late bloomers and third acts in our life. I would consider myself a late bloomer, and now that I’m familiar with my human design, I can understand why that is the case.If you know anything about that model of, understanding who we are as people. I am a six line, in my profile, I’m a two six. And part of being a six line is that my full fruition of what I’m here to share with the world is not, set to show up until much later in my life, actually in my fifties. And now that I am beginning, the dawning of my sixties, I can see the way that it’s coming in even stronger.So today, this episode is for anyone, but it’s particularly for you if you are entering the third act of your life or you are in the third act of your life and you’re wondering, do I have something to contribute? Is there more that I’m meant to do with my life? If you’ve had visions or dreams that have been lingering over the past few decades, is it too late?So I wanted to share some stories of women that you may have heard about and maybe some that you haven’t. And also, one other person who happens to be a man. I want to share a little bit of their story that I have come to understand and then just give you some reflections about that.So I want to begin with Louise Hay. Many people are familiar with Louise Hay’s book, you Can Heal Your Life and Hay House Publishing. And would it surprise you to learn that both the book and the publishing house, Hay House both came out when she was in her late fifties, 57, 58. Just coming out of emerging from her Saturn return. And the prolific writing that she did and really the substantial legacy and ripple effect that she created all began in that third act of life. And it was as it is for many of us, a distillation and a culmination of all the wisdom she had gathered up to that point.I also want to share with you, there is a book that actually I listened to as an audio book, but that has been a foundation for me for decades. I think I found it probably in my early forties. And the name of the book is called, You’re Not Old until You’re 90 : Best to be Prepared, However. Something like that. And the author is named Rebecca Lattimer. And Rebecca Lattimer and this book came to my attention through one of Sark’s books. If you’re familiar with Sark, who wrote, Succulent Wild Woman and, , many, many creative and beautiful books over the years. She had mentioned Rebecca and her book.You’re Not Old until You’re 90, in her book, in Sark’s book, and so it inspired me. I’m not sure which of Sark’s books it is mentioned in, but yeah. I have a number of them. Uh, suffice to say it’s in one of them. And if I’m very enterprising, I will link it in the show notes. I will link Rebecca’s book, but if I’m very enterprising, I will also link Sark’s book as well.So back to Rebecca. Rebecca Lattimer lived a very full life as an ambassador’s wife. She raised children. She, she had a full life as a wife and mother. And at the point when most people would consider retiring in her mid sixties, she learned how to meditate, and this was in the seventies. She got heavily into following Alan Watts and that whole kind of new consciousness wave that was happening back then.So she learned to meditate and she also began writing. And her book is this incredible story of the, the rebirth, the reemergence, the new life that can often be created at that stage of life. And at 92, she was the voice of her audio book, You’re Not Old Until You’re 90. And I have always found that book to be such an inspiration, and frankly, it’s probably the book I have recommended most to clients, and in part because it provides a benchmark. And certainly for me as someone who feels like a late bloomer, that it’s been a benchmark for me when I have felt downcast or dispirited at what I would call uh, feeling like a lack of progress towards this big vision or mission or purpose I felt I had for my life. I would go back and remember Rebecca Lattimer and think I’m nowhere near 65 yet. Who knows what’s going to happen or what I may create between now and then. Particularly when I was in the phase of intensively in the roles of wife and mother, when I didn’t have a lot of bandwidth to devote to, uh, other legacies or other creative expressions for myself. So I do highly recommend the book if you haven’t already received that recommendation from me in the past. And even if you have, it’s a great one to revisit.I also want to bring up, I recently learned that Laura Ingalls Wilder published her first book and began writing. I, I don’t know if she began writing at 65, but I know she published her first book, Little House in the Big Woods in 1932 when she was 65 years old.And the thing I love about her story, Number one, the impetus for her writing and the support for her writing actually came from her daughter. Her daughter recognized, the wisdom and the gifts that Laura had. And this was during the time of the Depression and she and her husband, Almanzo were broke farmers. They had lost their farm during the depression, and so they were living with their daughter Rose.And Rose encouraged Laura to begin writing down stories or memories from her childhood, and then she also helped edit and shape and shift them from first person narratives to third person, expressions of a story. And now all these years later, it’s a hundred million dollar franchise.And the books, her books, which took off in the hearts of families and children for what? 70 plus years? 80 plus years at this point. That’s a series that I, I loved reading with my daughter. Reading the entire, the entire series I just couldn’t get enough of those books. So all these years later, a hundred million dollar franchise.And before her death, which was in the nineties, just like Rebecca Lattimer, she saw considerable success. So I just want to offer that as just an inspiring story. And then finally, this is not a woman and not someone who got started in their sixties, but if you’re familiar with the Moth Storytelling Podcast, which frankly is one of my top two favorite podcasts of all times, the Moth Storytelling Podcast. The founder is a gentleman named George Dawes Green, who is a writer who comes from the south and came from a long history of storytelling on the front porch with moths flying around the porch light.And he, back in the nineties, started gathering people in his living room to share stories. And then I believe in 1996 or 97, he created a nonprofit that became the Moth, which was dedicated to storytelling. And if you’re not familiar again with the podcast, I highly recommend it.It has a global reach. I, I don’t know what continent, I think every single continent, with the exception of Antarctica. I know there are stories about visiting Antarctica, but I don’t think there have been any recorded there. But there have been beautiful, transformational, empowering moth story events on every continent in the world. And it has brought healing and transformation in so many beautiful and powerful ways.So why am I sharing that? I’m sharing that because it was a simple impulse to recreate something precious from his own life. Which was that history of spending southern nights on the front porch with friends telling stories that this incredible worldwide phenomenon was created, this incredible ripple effect. So each of these people that I have shared about have had a profound ripple effect. And I am certainly someone who has aspired to have a profound ripple effect.And in ways this podcast is an effort to do that. It is a form of creative expression. It’s also a form of service that is the intent anyway. And it is a form of, um, self-love, frankly. And I just want to name, with the exception of George Dawes Green, each of these women emerged and began creating after their second Saturn return.I am not going to do a deep dive into the concept of Saturn return. But suffice to say that our Saturn return is a passage we each experience when the planet Saturn returns to the place in the sky where it was at the time of our birth. So if we live long enough, we go through a few Saturn returns in the course of our life.We go through the first one between the ages of 27 and 30. We go through a second one in our late fifties as we’re approaching 60. And then if we live long enough, we go through a third later in our eighties as we approach 90. And Saturn is a bit of a task master, and it is the planet that makes sure we are on track.And the first Saturn return has a whole lot to do with are we on track with our life purpose? And as I understand it and have lived through it, Our second Saturn return is a revisiting of that, and it is a clearing out of anything that gets in the way of moving forward in the way we are intended to do for the next passage of Saturn around the sun to return back to the place in the sky where it was at the time in our birth. And the significance of that. I will say I certainly have worked with a number of women who have lived through, who are living through their second Saturn return.In fact, I have an interview coming up . Our, next guest, Marion Rose, Her interview will be coming out on the 7th of November, is right in the heat of her Saturn return. And it can be a time of immense, dissolving and falling away. And, and I can only speak for myself, but it was the time where I felt the most profound sense of being in the chrysalis and dissolving into the goo. And anything that I had previously thought about in some ways, who I was, what I was meant to be doing with my life, just any sense of direction was dissolving and falling away.And for many years, as I said, I have aspired to be of service in a profound way and to, to really reach as far as as I possibly can. And one of my realizations, uh, during my Saturn return was that if the only thing I do in this life is to love myself and to learn to love myself and to profoundly love myself, that that would be enough.And I could recognize and I could see that part of my ambition, to be of service in a significant way, in a profound way. There were aspects of it that were rooted in my ego needs to be worthwhile, to be worthy, to have my life mean something and be of value. And while at this point, I do see the value in making my contribution there was something important for me in coming to that recognition, the most important thing for me to do was to come back to my relationship with myself and to really embrace and love myself as fully as I possibly could.And so this journey of the Crone Codes and this podcast, because as I’ve said before, I did have a previous podcast, Trust Your Sacred Feminine Flow that I began in 2016 and I completed in 2021.So these two podcasts bookmarked my Saturn return. And so as I’m emerging , as I am beginning the journey of sharing the second podcast in a way. It can’t help but come from a very different place in me. But one of the most significant pieces is the fullness and the love and the care I feel for myself.Also, I have a much greater sense of clarity and direction and purpose. And it’s an act of both creative expression and service. A call to share the wisdom of my years and a call to connect women like you with resources that are meaningful for your journey and with people, , who I interview that I feel have important wisdom teachings and codes to share with you as well.So all that being said, coming back to our third acts and late bloomers, I want to speak to you in particular, if you have been unclear about what you’re meant to do. I want to speak to you if you feel like there’s something more you’re yearning to express in the world, or perhaps that God is calling you to embody or to share. Whether it is in a simple format like George Dawes Green, beginning the Moth just gathering people in his living room to tell stories. Or whether it is to write the book, to finally write the book that you know you’re meant to write. Or perhaps it’s to offer yoga or to, begin sharing ecstatic dance in your area. There, there can be so many things.Society is, is sending a constant message to us. And certainly if you have friends or if you’re someone who has been living a more traditional life. I would say similar to Rebecca Lattimer although her life was not super traditional. But say for example, you’re surrounded by people who have been in the corporate world or who have been employed at a job, who are looking at this later stage of life as a time to retire and kick back and put their feet up and uh, travel the world or enjoy life. And there is nothing wrong with that, at all. However, from what I have seen and understand that most of those people, once they kind of get that out of their system a little bit, do return to the point of wanting to be of service in some way or wanting to participate in something meaningful.So today’s episode is really a stand for that and a reminder that you get to have that. That there is a beautiful ripple effect that happens in the world. And again, not from the ego perspective of, of that’s how we’re going to earn our worthiness in this life that we’re going to create something profound or meaningful or great. But it is that both and of by loving yourself and committing to expressing creatively in whatever form that looks like for you, which could, be through volunteerism, it could be through your church, it could be through creating a summer camp for children or whatever the case may be.I am here as a reminder and a stand for you to trust that vision of your heart and your soul, and those yearning to create something or to be present in the world in a different way. You do not have to be complicit or surrender to the narrative of now’s the time to kick back and work on your pickleball and your soduko, or however you say it.Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But, but you don’t have to do it the traditional way. You may just be getting started like Laura Ingles Wilder, like Rebecca Lattimer and like Louise Hay. You might just be getting started and it might snowball into a hundred million dollars franchise. Or it might snowball into a legacy that has a profound impact on the world.And if what it does is it embraces you with love and it gives other people permission to do the same thing, and that is the entirety of, of what is, completed through that, That is way more than enough. It’s way more than enough.So my dear, as we bring this to a close, one of the things that I personally love to do is to support people in their visions of, creating or birthing what is wanting to come through them.I do offer consultations and one-on-one work that, can provide a framework, a structure, a support, a sounding board, and also the assistance to move through what frequently is the inner layers of whether it’s resistance, fear, old beliefs, whatever it might be that would tell you. This is not a good idea. You don’t want to to take this risk. You don’t want to get out of your comfort zone. You can be like Susie Q down the street and play pickleball every day, or play cards every day, or whatever the case may be.So I will put a link in the show notes if you’re interested in getting some one-on-one support I’m here for that.I’m a stand for that. I am here for you.And until we meet again, I want to remind you whether you are making ripples or big waves in this world, that you are love and you are loved. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Jenn Koch, founder of Stylegasm shares her inspiring journey of overcoming shame and activating her true power by embodying her alter ego, The Style Dominatrix. Jenn revealed her unique approach to deep transformation and style combining fashion, spirituality, and play. She also highlights her upcoming reclamation experiences in Iceland and Paris, offering listeners a chance to join her in a journey of full self expression.We discussed the connection of our Crone and our inner maiden; conflicting desires to both be seen and stay hidden; the liberation of shedding old identities and reclaiming our true self, as well as Jenn’s new book, Radiant SO WHY Are you still Single?Jenn’s insights and experiences offer valuable lessons on self-discovery, empowerment, and unleashing our hidden potential. 00:31 Introducing Jenn Koch of Stylegasm03:22 The Birth of the Style Dominatrix06:35 Exploring Alter Egos09:41 Client Transformations and Creative Expressions16:07 The Shame Drawer Story22:35 Reclaiming Power and Reinvention25:10 2026 Reclamation Experiences25:26 Erlendur: Iceland Fashion Show26:51 Whale Medicine28:18 Paris Fashion Immersion30:09 Radiant Book Overview31:02 The Shedding Process33:23 The Glow Up Phase34:37 The Reclamation Phase41:42 Client Success Story: The Red Trench CoatJenn’s Website: Have a Stylegasm* Access Jenn’s Bonus Content and subscribe to our paid Crone Codes Bonus Community Membership to go deeper into the Crone Codes with tools, prompts, resources + bonus surprises curated just for you.Read Joan’s latest Crone Codes revelations, reflections + episode backstories: Joan Advent Substack Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

In this poignant episode host Joan Advent, and soul sister Sasha Padron, discuss the power of reclaiming one’s connection to the Divine. The discussion integrates a tender reading of the children’s book ‘Old Turtle’ by Douglas Wood, which beautifully illustrates the multifaceted nature of God and humanity’s place within the web of Life. Joan shares personal reflections on spiritual abuse and religious programming, emphasizing the transformative power of reclaiming a personal connection to God beyond religion and the New Age.Special thanks to author Douglas Wood for providing written consent for the reading of “Old Turtle” in this episode.Wood, Douglas. Old Turtle. https://douglaswood.com/ Pfeifer-Hamilton 1992. Scholastic 2007 (reissued)01:07 Introducing Sasha Padron01:26 Exploring the Concept of God07:25 The Story of Old Turtle16:40 Reflections and Personal Insights26:57 Closing Thoughts and Invitation*To go deeper into these crone codes access Healing the God Wound and subscribe to our paid Crone Codes Bonus Community Membership to receive all of the tools, prompts, resources + bonus surprises curated just for you.Explore Joan’s personal Crone Codes revelations, reflections + episode backstories and photos at Joan Advent SubstackFollow me on IG: joan.adventFollow me on: YouTube: Joan AdventThe Crone Codes podcast is my gift to you and the women of the world. To receive new bi-monthly episodes in your inbox become a free subscriber. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

In this episode of The Crone Codes, host Joan Advent welcomes KC Baker, a pioneer in feminine public speaking and embodied leadership.They discuss KC's remarkable journey of grit and grace, vulnerability and determination to fulfill her most precious dream.The dream that called her to go all in - to ACT on her faith, reach out and ASK for the help to fulfill her vision of owning, preserving and stewarding an iconic and sacred piece of land in Sedona, Arizona.Along the way KC overcame formidable financial and emotional challenges and became a champion for other women ready to make bold asks and engage community support to realize their visions.01:21 KC Baker's Journey and Achievements05:25 The Importance of Asking11:20 The Sedona Dream24:20 The Bold Vision to Protect Sacred Land24:48 Raising Funds Through Community Support27:22 Facing Rejection and Overcoming Obstacles30:49 A Last-Minute Miracle33:24 The Power of Courageous Asking35:30 Creating a Sanctuary for Women36:32 Lessons in Vision and Community KC’s Websites: KC’s Free Gifts: KC Baker Speak Up e-Book Womanspeak Velvet Flow: Embodiment Work Velvet Flow Guided Practice (password: feelslikevelvet) * Subscribe to our paid Crone Codes Bonus Community Membership to go deeper into the Crone Codes with tools, prompts, resources + bonus surprises curated just for you. Discover Joan’s personal Crone Codes revelations, reflections + episode backstories and photos: Joan Advent SubstackTranscriptJoan: Hello and welcome. I am Joan Advent, and today I am delighted. To welcome KC Baker to join me. Welcome, KC.KC Baker: Oh, thank you so much. I am so happy to be here with you.Joan: Yay. I know. I was just remembering, I think it's been 10 years since [00:01:00] I have known of you and your work.And I first came across your work through another podcast withOh, really?I think Amy Ahler like way, way back.KC Baker: Oh, wonderful. Love her.Joan: Yes. So.We're gonna dive into a number of crone codes today, but I wanna begin by sharing KC's bio with you, and I actually want you to close your eyes and receive this almost like a meditation.As you hear what I'm sharing about KC and all that she has explored created and done. Just want you to receive the codes and to consider what are the crone codes that she has already gathered in her medicine basket, so to speak, and what are the codes that perhaps you are still learning or eager to learn or aspiring to, and to use this experience as a way to receive that more deeply for yourself.So the fullness of KC, at least one or two dimensions of that. KC Baker has been a pioneer for the last 16 years in bringing a feminine approach to public speaking and leadership training. With her unique embodiment and nervous system rewiring practices, her company Womanspeak, has speaking circles around the world and teaches women how to cultivate internal safety and freedom to speak up authentically in their personal and professional lives.Several years ago while running her company and raising her child, and after experiencing betrayal and loss of a significant romantic relationship, she experienced deep fatigue, stress, health and hormone issues. She discovered feminine Qigong practices. And they completely transformed her energy, her vitality, and stress levels, and healed her heart and her womb.She has now started Velvet Flow, a practice incorporating sensual movement and feminine Qigong to help women learn to use their sexual energy for creating greater health, deeper serenity and abiding happiness. KC has spoken and taught at the United Nations in Switzerland. She was an advisor on authentic communication for Senator Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign and had supported women in speaking on stages like Ted, Bioneers, the American Heart Association, Wisdom 2.0.She is a mama. She is a certified Tantra and Taoist teacher, and she is a stewardess of sacred land in Sedona, Arizona, and a deep, deep lover of nature.Welcome KC.Hmm, thank you.With the richness of all that you bring and all that you are. Hmm hmm. Yes.So I invited you initially to join us to talk about something that feels really critical to me , as far as women who are gathering all the personal and universal codes that allow us to embody the crone is, learning how to ask, learning how to make authentic asks, learning how to make big asks, learning how to ask from a place of deep vision and connectedness.Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I would love if you are open to sharing some stories, some wisdom, how you even learned to ask. Did you always know how to ask for what you wanted?KC Baker: I think that there were some things that in particular felt very hard to ask for growing up. And then later in life when there were things that I really connected to that felt so important that were my vision and my desire, I had to go through a lot in order to find the courage.And to really own the value of what I was asking for. And so, yeah, it's definitely been such a journey. I mean, emotional things were always very hard for me for a long time. Asking for what I needed emotionally in my life has been a journey. That's been a journey. And that's a big thing, you know, oftentimes we'll think about, asking for things like.What we want materially or, you know, our work or investment or things like that is definitely one realm. But then there's, there's also the realm that's like behind closed doors about how do you ask for what your heart needs, you know? And those, I have found have been very difficult and a huge ripe place of learning.And now that's just so much easier for me, but only through having gone through the challenges and the practice. So yeah, I'm very happy to share stories on any spectrum you would like for me to share about and I, and finding that freedom to ask for what we want really is a journey of deepening into the value of just who we are.And what it is that we care about and what it is that we desire. And, so taking on the adventure and the challenge of really thinking about what is something that I really want in my life or that I dream about, that I don't have all the resources for? And really starting that quest of learning to ask is one of the most tremendous journeys of really deepening into such self-love and empowerment. And I think it really touches and affects everything in our lives. So if anybody's listening and they have something that they really are connecting to around something they feel they really wanna ask for, I just really wanna presence how holy that is.Joan: Yes. Mm-hmm. Exactly. That sense of, desire or longing or vision or purpose, similar to, to what you were naming. Knowing that there's something you're meant to do that's, yes, that's bigger than you, and that will require dig digging deep to get, to have the courage or to stand in the willingness.To be a voice for that.Yes. Yes,KC Baker: Yes It's a deep, it's a deep river for, so there's so much to say about it. I don't want to go down a tangent if you want to start with me telling a story lets tell a story, but I could start getting on my soapbox about all the visions that die, that are amazing visions in the world, because we feel so embarrassed to ask.We're so afraid of rejection. Yes. And, so learning how to do this is just one of the most important things in order to really create the world that we know is possible for ourselves and, and for the broader world as well. Yeah.Joan: Yes. And that is exactly, that is exactly why I wanted to start with you and with this, because certainly as aspiring Crone's or rising, or full on Crone's.I see it as our call to help create the world that our visions are inspiring us to create, that that is a sacred responsibility and mantle. And if we don't know how to be a voice for it, if we don't know how to ask, we don't know how to risk, um, putting it out there those visions do die off.Mm mmAnd we don't become the women we have the capacity to be.It'sKC: yesa both and. So I have heard you share many powerful stories.The story of your land in Sedona.KC Baker: Oh my gosh. Well that, that one really is, that one grew me, it one grew me deep in this capacity. So yeah, I think that's a great story to start with. I think it's a great story.Okay. So I think it really needs to start with the fact that in 2006, no, six, five. I was living in New York City and having just a very wild life there. Um, amazing life. I was very deep in the Mama Gina's community, if you're familiar with her work. And, running around the city with my girlfriends, exploring, living in pleasure and our desire. It was just the best, it was the best. Pre-child, you know, all the things.And then I had a dream. One night, actually, I woke up one morning and there was, I woke up from a dream of these red rocks and the just infinite intensity feeling of longing in my heart, and I was like, what is this? I didn't know where they were. I didn't, I didn't have any clue, but I just knew wherever that was, I had to go there like I was clearly being, and it felt like it felt weird to me, like the rocks were communicating with me.Joan: Wow.KC Baker: But then I forgot it and I went on with my busy Manhattan life and one month later I woke up the exact same vision, exact same feeling, and I was like, okay, this is. It was so strong, the feeling of longing in my heart that I was like, I gotta go to the southwest.Clearly these are in the Southwest. So that summer I went to the Southwest searching for these rocks and I rented a car and I drove around different places and I ended up driving one day into Sedona, Arizona. And it was just wham. The vision of those rocks in my dreams appeared right before me. I burst into tears and laughter and my favorite song at the time came on the radio and I just knew that I was home.Hmm.And on those four days that I spent in Sedona, I was led down to this area of Sedona that is called Red Rock Crossing.Joan: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: And it's at the creek. There's this beautiful sacred creek that runs through Sedona called Oak Creek. And. It's a place where you can stand at the creek and you can see this one particular rock formation called Cathedral Rock.Joan: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: Which I know, you know, and,, and it's really stunning. It, the, the vision with the creek and the rock. It's like on all the postcards, it's, it's actually the most photographed, it's the most photographed image of the American Southwest, even more than the Grand Canyon. Which is what saying some, it's pretty wild and I had an experience there of falling so deeply in love with this place. And I experienced a love unlike anything I'd ever experienced.I experienced so much deep clarity of what I was to be doing in the world. It was really the beginning of my tuning into the work that I was to be doing with women's voices and the vision, and all I wanted was to be right there. That's all I wanted. It was my temple, my place to pray. And it, it is actually for so many other people, it's where weddings happen.It's where it's a, it's a ceremonial place. It's considered the feminine energy vortex. Area of Sedona. So I end up moving there and long story short, I have this picture of that area, red Rock Crossing Cathedral Rock with the creek above my altar, and I'm living in Sedona and this other house not down there, but I go travel down there all the time to have it above my alter.Every morning. I'm meditating in front of it is just like. Just, it just the presence so profound in my life and everywhere I traveled for the next 10 years. Um, and I lived in California. I had different homes, even took this photograph with me to Burning Man. I was just obsessed in the most devotional way with this place.And there's this one little house right there where the, actually where you stand in front of the house on the lawn and that's the view. And there's only one house. It's surrounded by National Park and there's some neighbors like across the creek, on the other side and behind, but it's the only one that's right there.And I remember taking, um, in 2009, I had been, I had moved to San Francisco or 10 or whatever it was, and I was traveling to Sedona for three months out of the year, every year. I just couldn't be away from it. And I met this wonderful man, who would later become my fiance and the husband and the father of my son, and is now my ex-husband.But he, he came with me after three months of dating in 2010 and to Sedona to see this place that I love so much. And we stood down on the creek and I remember saying to him, I have one dream. I have one dream. My one dream in this whole life is to live right here in this little house right here, just so I can have my temple right here all the time.And he said to me, I want to help you make that dream possible.Joan: Hmm.KC Baker: And it was such a sweet moment. And we both remember it so deeply. But it was like a seed and the power of sharing a genuine desire in the space of someone who has such fertile listening.Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: Right? And he does right?Holds the field of possibility. And in your greatness, those are gem people. You wanna keep close in your life, right?So time goes on, we get engaged, we're living in San Francisco, I end up getting pregnant. And when I'm pregnant I'm like, I really wanna move to Sedona. And , and so we moved to Sedona. We lived in this other wonderful house.We lived there for a year and a half, and there's my picture, I'm actually looking, this picture is like in my hall right here. The same, same picture, , and so we had to move back to San Francisco for his work and I was heartbroken. We moved back and our marriage was just totally on the rocks. It was a rough time, and we moved back to California in 2015 and we get separated.And I am just beside myself because I miss Sedona so deeply. I'm exhausted as a new mother. I'm now separated. I have, during those years, before I had my son, I was just, you know, live events and group programs. But after I had my son, I actually made the decision to just focus on private work. So my income was not as high as it had been.And I really needed to get away for a little time just to figure out my finances in this place of separation. So one of my clients, Christine Carlson, who's the author of the co-author of Don't Sweat The Small Stuff and The Don't Sweat The Small Stuff Series with her, her past husband, who has passed her late husband, I should say.Anyways, she was so generous. She was like, you come stay at, she has this house by the sea. And she was like, go stay there for a couple days. And so I went and I took with me this book by Tony Robbins, Money that I had just gotten, and he guides people through this process of getting really clear on, in the later years of your life, what do you need for your income?How much money do you have saved to do that? Like it was this amazing process and I did this process. He asked some great questions like, what do you like think your elder self is gonna really want?Yeah.And I was like, well, there's just one thing I just, I just really wanna live in that little home in Sedona.I just felt so much love of the vision. I mean, it was just so amazing, amazing. And I wrote it down and then I just was like hm, I remember just being like, well, I'm just gonna go and check it out on Zillow, you know? So I grab my, I grab my phone and I'm sitting on this little couch and I go on Zillow and I find the house.And I am shocked because the house is for sale. And not only is it for sale, it went for sale in the last 24 hours.Oh my God.I mean, it is, I am just freaking. I'm freaking out. I am freaking out. I mean, this is absolute magic. And I call my mom. My mom is just as excited as I am. She's so great and, and I and my mom, and, and I'm trying, I, I mean, I'm just like really trying not to think about how am I gonna buy it.I'm a newly separated mom of a little kid whose income I turned down the last like two years, like right. But I just couldn't, the excitement and the awe was so much that I just didn't really let myself go there. And I called the agent and his name is Roy Grimm and he picks up the phone and I'm like, Roy, my name is KC Baker and, I'm calling about the little house and I gave the address and he's like, oh yeah, well, it's already under contract. And I was like, what? And he said, yeah, we got over 40 calls to put in an application in the last like 18 hours. Wow. It's been insane. It's already under contract. I'm like, no, you don't, like, you don't understand.This is. This is my home. And he's like, I'm sure he's like, who is this crazy person? He's like, well, I dunno what to tell you. It's, you know, it's under contract. And I was like, how can this be? And he is like, I can show you other houses, like there are no other houses. And he's like, okay, well you can call me back.You know, most, maybe it'll fall through, but most of the time they don't. But you're welcome to call me back. And I'm just like, okay. I was just. Could not, how could this possibly, you know, how could this be? This is just too magical. Like how could that, so I called my, you know, recently separated husband David, and I told him, and he was just, oh my God.I mean, he was like, KC, hold the faith. Hold the faith. I mean, he was such my champion in this. Hold the faith. And I, it became, I was so clear. I just, I just let myself get into this space of just this intense ecstasy of the vision of bringing women to my land, of being all my land and the, I mean, the full blown pleasure filled ecstasy, the joy through my whole body.I mean, and then there was this other part that was just devastated. You know, and so it began the beginning of this journey of being in this stretch between maintaining my energy of excitement and the, and the, just the, you know, devastation of it. So anyways, I really prayed on it. I even went to Sedona. I prayed, I said, look, if you want, I, I went to the land and I was like, look, if you want me to steward this land, I am.I'm here. I will steward it. And if you don't, then. I turn it over, you know, and I turned it over. And then a couple days later, I'm leading a Womanspeak event in San Francisco. There's like 40 women in the room. We go on break, I check my phone and I get a text message from Roy Grimm and he said, Hey, the contract fell through and you're the first person I'm calling.Joan: AwwKC Baker: And he said, you know, I'm actually changing to a new real estate agent. So the listing is not gonna update as showing available for sale for about four days.Joan: Wow.KC Baker: So you, you have four days to figure it out.Wow.And I will never forget sitting on that stairwell in this place by myself during lunch like, how am I gonna do this? How am I gonna do this? I have to come up with an $80,000 down payment in those four days. What, that's it. Like there's no way, you know, how am I gonna do this? And I was like, I gotta figure it out. So first I went to my ex-husband and I made the outrageous ask if he would be willing to go in on the loan with me for this house.And that was a big question because we had just separated. But he knew how magical this was. How, and he had, he just knew he'd been so in on this vision for so many years at this point. And he was like, yeah, and we'd figure out the refinancing in a couple of years. And he was willing. I'm so grateful.And so we began the journey and we applied, we got pre-approved and I had to come up with the down payment, and I didn't have it. I did not have it. He did not have it.I wasn't gonna ask him for a cent for it.Joan: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: And I, you know, didn't have money from family, but you know, it was just so I started just having to be like, what are the things that I need to do? I mean, I just got really bold and I was so drawn forward by the vision in such a deep way of how can I get this land to protect the sacred land?And I first started by sending out an email to my whole email list, telling them about the vision for this land and how sacred it is, and would you be willing to help me make it real? And, you know, give me a loan for $5,000, $10,000. I mean, it was such a vulnerable,YesWhat are they gonna think of me?Joan: Hmm.KC Baker: Who does this? To buy my own house, you know, I'm asking people to give me money to buy my house. I mean, like, but it, but the land was so much more to me than just my house.Right, right. It really was to steward the sacred land and, and I, and, and so I'll never forget, I got a phone call about 30 minutes later from a dear friend Ali Shanti. She was like, I will give you $10,000 loan. And it was the first person, and it was just the confidence that that gave me was so huge.Yes.So then I was flying to New York that day and I was like, okay, I gotta make this happen. It was really clear it was gonna take personal reach outs, and so I made a list of like 80 people, 80 women.Wow.Past clients, current clients, friends, colleagues. And I don't drink caffeine, but I had a pot of coffee.And then I went in this courtyard out behind this apartment building in New York where I was, and I spent all day dialing and talking to people and asking, making this courageous ask for help and support. And within that 48 hours, I'd raised $80,000.Wow.And it came in the form of both loans that I would repay. It came in the form of people prepaying for private client work. And we did it, and I was able to get the deposit. So we got the deposit. It was a massive triumph. It was so amazing. I'll never forget taking the, the, the, the money I'd received into the bank to deposit to the whole thing, and realizing all of this had come from a community of womenJoan: hmm.KC Baker: that came together to support my vision.Wow.It was incredible giving what they could, $5,000, $10,000. So we had that, and then we thought hopefully it'd be pretty easy from there to just get the remainder of the mortgage on the house and we close and that was it.Except for the fact that we got denied. Because David owned, a very large share of his company, and if you own more than 25% of your companymm-hmm.They evaluate you much more differently as a high risk. And we both did. Both of us did. And so we got turned down. Uh, it was devastating. And then we got to go to another lender and then got turned down again.It was so scary. We were doing all these things, we'd be thinking we could work with different lenders and work with entrepreneurs and, and all this stuff. And the, the people who were selling the house, the woman who had lived there for years who had died, raised, her four sons there. I think they just knew that I was gonna be like really central to this.I just, they, they felt something about me. And because their mother, like when I went to the house and looked through the house, they still had a bunch of her stuff. It was a whole stack of paintings and artwork that had been on her walls, and every single one was an image of Cathedral Rock. We were, she was a priestess of Cathedral Rock, like, I think they felt that with me, and so they were willing to work with me to extend the closing.We extended the closing four times.Wow.For four months.Wow.They let me extend it. I was paying their mortgage by the end and we kept getting shut down. It was devastating Joan. I was in the most profound feelings of devastation. And I'll remember there was a woman who, who I really love, but she said to me, she was like, maybe if it's not feeling easy, it's just not meant to be, you know, it's this whole spiritual teachings, let it be easy.Just, just sit like an egg and let it all come to you. You know, that whole thing?Yes.And I was like. No. Like, because here was the thing, if I didn't exercise everything within my power within me to ask for support or to find a way, I knew that I would regret that for the rest of my life.Joan: Uhh,KC Baker: it was so deep.Joan: Yes,KC Baker: It would be the biggest regret of my life if I did not find the courage to do the things that were within my power to do, but I felt so much about.Joan: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: Like who goes out and asks people for $400,000? A bad girl, bad girl. Bad. Bad. We do not do that. You don't ask for too much. Yeah. And then what if you get rejected and you feel so effing embarrassed for having askedJoan: Yes.KC Baker: Right? Like that wound of the fear of the deepest rejection and not feeling worthy of asking for it and feeling like, who am I to do Like it was so flared, I had to face that in the deepest way.It just brought me right deep into it, and I had to hold the pole of the ecstasy and the joy of this vision to keep me moving forward alongside this profound despair. I mean, it was the ultimate.Intense stretch of my heart, and literally it was September, the end of September and the owners came and they said, I am so sorry we have someone ready to pay cash.I had three days.Mm-hmm.Even just talking about it right now just brings me back. It was so intense. It was just like, how could I lose this dream? You know, my most precious dream.Yes.And I was just crying all the time, you know, knowing that I had to do the thing that I was so terrified to do, which I eventually did.I made this, I was had crying, snot the whole thing coming down my face, and I sent a message to this friend. That actually was someone I had dated very briefly who knew about my vision about this, and, and he was a deep earth keeper. He is a very wealthy man. You know, who works in clean energy and has a VC firm for clean energy.He does profound work on the planet for the planet, and is a very wealthy individual. Had another girlfriend by now, you know, in a relationship I had felt even sort of rejected by him. I mean, it was, this was not easy, you know? So I sent him this message and I am like, we didn't get the house. I need to ask you to buy it because I really need somebody to, this land needs to be protected.It's too precious to be turned over to somebody who doesn't get it and will hold it in that way. And he was at Burning Man and he calls me back, thank God that there is cellular at Burning Man. And he calls me back. He's like, listen, let's figure this out. He is like, I don't have the available cash in the next 48 hours to make the purchase.But if you can find two people or someone, or a group of people who can front the cash, I will be the guarantor on that loan.Joan: Hmm.KC Baker: And then I will pay them back within six months. And then you and I will have this loan together, and then you can get refinancing and we'll figure it out. Ahh. So amazing. But I still had to find the money.Joan: Yes.KC Baker: So then I'm like, oh God. I mean the heart. My heart was just, okay.And so then I called this other man who I had really, it was part of my community from California who I had really only one time had a really wonderful, sweet connection with at Burning Man, likeJoan: mm-hmm.KC Baker: Several years before. We just had a really sweet friendship. You know, a really delightful friendship that I didn't know him deeply at all though, you know? But I knew he loved the earth. He's a deep earth protector, and he is a very successful businessman. So I called him and in a conversation it lasted maybe 90 seconds. I said, "Bertram".I told him, real quickly the situation and the story. I was like, I need to ask you if you can loan me money and essentially help create this private mortgage. And I told him the situation. He is like, done, I can send you $150,000. I needed to get like $432,000. And I was like, okay. And this was amazing.And I was like, thank you. I'm just flipping out. And then I called this other man. Who also was part of my community in California. I did not know him well, but he knew a little bit of my story about this land and very successful, and I called him again. It took maybe 60 seconds to share my heart and vulnerably ask for this support, and he said, yeah, let's do it.And these. Two men came together and my friend Ally, who was the first person to loan me $10,000, she's a lawyer. I called her. She pulled together all the contracts. We got it all done, and within 48 hours we had the funds. And I was signing on the dotted line and I had the house.Joan: Whoa.KC Baker: And it was just unbelievable.The moment of joy and almost disbelief. I mean, just awe, you know? And the. The gratitude that this entire community came together to do this still just blows me away. It blows me away. It blows me away.And this property has been a place where I've. Both raised my son. I now live in Scottsdale because of my son's medical and education needs.But we still have this beautiful property, and I share it with people on Airbnb. But I have hosted so many incredible experiences for women on this land. Incredible retreats and, commitment ceremonies to their wisdom.And it has been, it is just, it's so profoundly special. And the lesson for me in all of this, I mean, sometimes I, I really am like, what else do I need to really go for in my life and do courageous asking up about, because you can create so much, you know?And I think that it's easy to, to think that we're alone and we've gotta make it all happen. And that's what our society tells us. It also tells us that there's these underlying messages as women that we shouldn't ask for too much. You know?Joan: Absolutely.KC Baker: That we shouldn't be too much.Joan: Yes.KC Baker: But actually it's our ability to share a vision and invite others into participating in that vision that is our superpower.Especially, I think at any time, but as we get older that the refinement of our vision and our wisdom is one of the highest expressions of our soul. And so bringing voice to invite others into vision is something that, I mean, I don't think there's anything more worthwhile to learn and to stretch yourself to do.For the impact of yourself and for others.We have really strong plans and have been of protecting this land, so it can never be wildly developed.Joan: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: You know, in my lifetime.Joan: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: That's part of our vision of really preserving the sanctuary. And, and that's so that's, what we're doing with it.But everybody has incredible vision and dreams. We all have dreams, we all have dreams. Oftentimes we tell ourselves, these , these dreams, they're so big, huh? But we don't do the things inside toJoan: Right.KC Baker: To bring it out. And I think some of it is like my friend who I really disagree. Like if it's not easy. You know, but sometimes even if it's not easy, it doesn't mean it's not worth it.And the truth is, is that our dreams are the things that call us into evolving into who we're meant to become.Joan: Exactly.KC Baker: And that's not always easy.Joan: Exactly.KC Baker: But it will deepen us. Yeah. So,Joan: Exactly, exactly.KC Baker: That's my wild story, and I hope that there's somebody who's listening right now who's like.Joan: All right,KC Baker: I'm gonna go make some phone calls!That's what I hope this does to someone out there. If you're feeling that, go do it.Joan: Go do it now.KC Baker: Go do it. Go do it.Joan: Exactly. Because I can imagine the who you were at the start of that and the who you were when you signed that dotted line.KC Baker: Oh my gosh.Joan: Massive expansiveKC Baker: MassiveYeah, and you know what expanded in my work with Womanspeak?Joan: Yes.KC Baker: In the years following that, I think I really had to go through that portal to be able to really hold that expansionJoan: Yes.KC Baker: Of that work.Joan: Yes. There's so much packed in that. The issue of the willingness, the value. Of ourselves, of our vision, our, our courage, our willingness to receive, like your willingness to receive the support and know that, you could have that, that, that could be given to you.There are so many places where we can get stuck along the way.KC Baker: Yes.Joan: But making those big asks and even that sense of opening to the ecstatic of the vision and of the dream, through my lens I see like the sacred coming through our hearts desires and calling us to be those women and those presences and those forces in the world.KC Baker: Yeah.Joan: Mm-hmm.KC Baker: Yeah. It is, and what a, what a gift when you have the resources to be able to participate in something that is so beautiful and meaningful as protecting sacred land, in this case. But people all want to be part of something inspiring.Joan: Absolutely.KC Baker: They do. They really do.And I think it's important to remember that because it can be an internal disconnect inside of ourselves. Like it's inspiring to us, but there's some kind of self value piece that's a little un integrated and we can think nobody would wanna support this, but actually people would love to be a part of your beautiful vision and dream if you let them.Joan: Yes. Yes.KC Baker: Yeah.Joan: Yeah.So I wish that we could unpack so many more pieces of this, because I just wanna express, I have received the gift of Womanspeak, and this is a core lesson that you teach.The how to be a voice for your vision, how to open up your voice, how to feel safe in your body, and then the whole Velvet Flow dimension.That's , a whole other piece to unpack, which we don't have the time for today, but the integration of all that you bring. The, you know, I think about the land and the embodiment. And even in your story, like the feminine community coming together and then the masculine coming in to support.KC Baker: Yes.Joan: And the integration of all of that, and you getting to be the nexus point for that. Like you getting to be the conduit for all of that to flow through to create this amazing sanctuary.KC Baker: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Joan: Yes.KC Baker: Yeah, it was so heart exploding to feel the depth of support. And I think that is here waiting for all of us when we're waiting to be vulnerable and, speak from that place of what our need and our desire is.We get to experience how actually, in so many ways kind and benevolent and loving and supportive the world can be.Joan: Yes, yes, yes, yes.So we need to bring this to a close for today. If you want to go a little bit deeper, we will have some bonus content, which you can check out. I'll put the link in the show notes, and I'm going to have all the ways to learn about KC's work, all of her websites, and even a free gift, which is a,do you wanna say what it is? It's , a beautiful Velvet Flow, like 20 or 25 minute experience.KC Baker: Yes. Yes. And , actually. You can tell me if this is right because we have a beautiful Velvet Flow practice that will help you to deeply regulate your nervous system. It's extraordinary for your health and vitality.But I'm also happy to provide, a free gift of an ebook that we have called, Speak Up that I think may beJoan: yeah,KC Baker: very helpful. In regards to this conversation, that really helps women to find the freedom to speak up and get clear on what they're actually speaking up for. So I think that could be very connected to this conversation, so I'm happy to send that over too.Joan: Beautiful. Thank you for that.KC Baker: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Joan: So, thank you for taking the time to be with me today and to be with us and to share your just potent, powerful story.KC Baker: Oh, thank you for. Having me. Such a sweet, sweet time being with you. Thank you.Joan: Yes.And I wanna say thank you to our listeners and to remind you that as you are making your ripples in life, that you are loved and you are love.KC Baker: Mm, so true. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe

Episode 1Host, creator and resident Crone Joan Advent dives into the origin story and significance of the 'Crone Codes’ with her Soul sister and colleague Maria Rodriguez.They explore Joan's commitment to reclaim the archetype of the Crone, sparked by a crisis of faith pursuing a longtime dream on her way to turning 60. Joan shares the transformational journey that led to her embracing her own Cronehood. They discuss the ways society get’s it wrong about aging women and the invaluable gifts and wisdom Cronehood holds. 01:03 The Commitment and Origin Story03:12 A Healing Journey and Reclaiming the Crone06:33 The Crone Archetype and Its Importance10:53 Creating the Crone Codes Podcast18:57 The Purpose and Audience of the Podcast22:16 Future Episodes and Bonus Content36:10 Joan's Background and Conclusion* Subscribe to our paid Crone Codes Bonus Community Membership to go deeper into the Crone Codes with tools, prompts, resources + bonus surprises curated just for you. Discover my personal Crone Codes revelations, reflections + episode backstories and photos: Joan Advent SubstackFollow me on IG: joan.adventFollow me on: YouTube: Joan AdventThe Crone Codes podcast is my gift to you and the women of the world. To receive new bi-monthly episodes in your inbox become a free subscriber*. Episode TranscriptHello and Welcome to the Crone Codes Podcast. I'm your host, the creator and resident crone Joan Advent. I am here today with one of my dearest soul sisters and friends, Maria Rodriguez.Welcome Maria.Maria: Thank you for having me.Joan: Yes. Thank you for being here. So Maria has agreed to join me in a conversation today about the Crone Codes. We're going to talk about the origin story. We're going to talk about why the Crone codes matter, who this is for, and how this podcast will hopefully serve you, our listener moving forward.Joan:I really wanted to start with a commitment that I made. So about 18 months ago, I made a commitment, and it was one of those commitments that just spontaneously came through me, and I didn't realize the implications it would have. And I didn't realize that it actually was the conception moment for this podcast. Maria: Hmm. Joan: So I want to back up a little bit and tell you the story about how that commitment came to occur.So almost two years ago, I had just turned 59, and my daughter was taking a gap year. She had finished school, and I had this inspiration to create a mother daughter retreat. And I had been wanting to do a destination retreat for as long as I can remember.Years prior, I had the opportunity to swim with Wild Dolphin in Bimini with a mentor of mine. And so things came together and it felt like this call, this higher call and also this destiny because the opportunity came together in a way that I couldn't turn away. And so like many, many things where we long to create something greater, we’re kind of led step by step by step, and we receive a vision, and then over time, that vision may get tweaked or refined or adjusted. Well, midway through my journey to creating this retreat things started shifting in ways that sent me into some panic and into a deep crisis of faith.In fact, Maria, I remember you had a front row seat .Maria: Yeah.Joan: And it brought me to probably the most profound crisis in faith that I had had in decades. And I sought out the support of a wise young healer who I knew was deeply grounded in faith. And she took me on a healing journey into my body, into the inner landscapes of my body to retrieve my faith. And along with that, she let me know that we were going on a journey to claim my crone.Maria: Ooh. Joan: Yeah.Maria: Wow.Joan: Exactly. . And I was like, okay. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I had been to some Croning ceremonies for friends of mine who were older than me. And I had always felt a little kind of uneasy with that. Like something didn't feel quite right.So we went through the healing journey, and I did in fact reclaim and reground my faith in a deeper way. And, I also felt the truth of what she had been saying to me, that claiming the Crone was a really important mantle and archetype as I was preparing to make this transition with my 60th birthday that was coming up.And as it turned out, the retreat was shifting. And so it was not going to be strictly a mother-daughter retreat. It was shifting into a retreat for women in all the stages of life and all the facets and generations of our experience. So I was seeing that event, which was in June as kind of this stepping into my Cronehood. But I was still in this state you know, of wearing something that doesn't quite feel comfortable. And so I looked on Google as we do to find the definition of the Crone.Well …Maria: Yeah. I was wondering how you think of Crone and what that means.Joan:Yeah. Yeah. And I will tell you what I discovered was that according to Google, at least at that point, I, I haven't looked recently, that a crone is an ugly, evil looking old woman. Yeah.Maria sardonically:That's lovely. Like, that's not what we want.Joan:Right. And when I read that, something in my womb space, literally dropped. I felt like I was kicked in the stomach. I felt this pain. A dull heavy pain in my womb.And today I can recognize this definition is an absolute inversion of all the majesty and the truth of the essence of the Crone.I know that today, but at that time, I was struggling. And I just felt the weight and the anguish. And I was considering some of the other mantles that women of our age are often taking on, like the wise woman or the healer, the priestess, the shaman.And I thought, those are so much more sexy and cool, you know? Or the queen.Yeah. You know, so many women who are embracing that archetype. Like those are so much more cool and sexy. And yet I could still feel the rightness of taking on this mantle as the Crone.And that is when my commitment was made. My commitment was to reclaim that title and that mantle and that archetype. To cleanse it and to take it off the cultural trash heap both for myself and for other women to reclaim it.Like to just think about, you know, the maidens and the mothers - initially maiden mother and crone. Those were the foundational archetypes for us as women. And I realized that crone was the only title, it was the only mantle that included all of it. It included all of it. It includes the innocence and the wonder of our child. It includes the passion of our maiden. It includes the fierce love and protector that we develop as mothers and the sovereignty we embrace as queens. And it brings in the wisdom of a life lived. And to call ourselves anything other than a Crone is a minimizing of who we really are.Maria: Wow. Wow.Joan:Yeah. So that's why I'm here, . That's why I am here. That's why I created the Crone Codes.I had a podcast years ago, Trust Your Sacred Feminine Flow, which I loved. And I have been away from podcasting for some time now, and I kept getting this nudge to get back into it. And frankly, it was again, the call of younger women in my life who were saying, I miss hearing your voice. I miss hearing your wisdom. And I've also heard some of these younger women who are wise in their own right saying, where are the elders?Maria:We need that. We need that.Joan:Yes, yes. We need the elders.And I was remembering, so part of my story is I am in recovery for alcoholism and have been since my twenties.Maria: Wow.Joan:And the place that really grounded my recovery for me was this women's meeting that I attended. And the average age was probably in the sixties. So I was in this room full of women who had lived all the stages of life that I was looking ahead to. And to have that experience that I could lean into and draw upon was invaluable.Maria: What a blessing. Wow.Joan:Exactly. And so that's what I am here to create through the Crone Codes. And I want to add that from my lens, The crone codes are not something that we find when we cross the threshold of, like, me turning 60. Or like us Maria: mm-hmm. We're the same age .Joan:Yes. We are. But again, it's really the codes that we gather throughout the whole arc of our experience as girls, as maidens, as mothers. Whether we are mothering human children, or fur babies, or mothering movements or, mothering businesses or creative projects as we're stepping into the Queen. It's all of those challenges, all of those initiations, all of those things that we think are going to break us… When we're on a conscious journey and when we meet those challenges, we harvest… I mean, you know, as someone who is a conscious woman and someone who is supporting others. You know what we gather.Maria:Absolutely. Yes.Yes. I've been thinking so much about the second innocence, the return to innocence. So I was really struck by you, including the child, because often you just hear maiden, mother, crone. You don't… And we’re starting to hear more about the queen, but to include the child and to return to that core innocence, but in a wise way rather than a naive way, because we're …Joan: Yeah.Maria: Including the wisdom of the crone and the other stages that's really …It feels like, like the whole being, you know, the, the all of it.Joan:Yes. The multidimensionality of both the arc of our evolution as women, as well as all the dimensions of our lives … whether it's the relational aspect or the opening to our spiritual gifts, or opening to our purpose, or opening to our way of being in service in the world. The crone is like this incredible … it's almost like dubbing someone … I dub the crone. You know?Maria:An anointing.Joan:Right. An anointing, thank you.But it's self anointed. We are anointing ourselves through each initiation, through each challenge, through each kind of coming home to the woman that we came into this life to be.Maria: Mm-Hmm.Joan:And getting to share the wisdom.And I was remembering how… I know it's killer whales. And I think it's also elephants and humans are the three species where women live, or the females live past menopause.* (Or active reproduction)Maria: Mmm.Joan:In those two species, the elephants and the killer whales. The females, the matriarchs, play a very important role. (passing on knowledge and social skills to the younger generations).And in my experience, so many women who reach our age, in some manner begin to question - if they don't have a strong sense of legacy or a strong sense of place or contribution - they can really start to question. (whether they have anything to contribute). And certainly culture and things like the Google definition of the crone play into that.But we start to question how we're meant to contribute or if we have anything to offer, now that the children are gone or now that we don't have the looks that we used to have, or we don't have the attention that we used to have.And so this space is in part created for you, for women like that. As well as for women who are holding on to some sense of the best is yet to come.Maria: Hmm Are you saying that the podcast is primarily for women over 60 or over 55?Joan: No, I'm not saying that. I am actually - thank you for asking No. I created this podcast for women at every stage.Maria: Okay.Joan:Women who are on a conscious journey of awakening, of opening up to their gifts and their purpose.Women who would like to aspire to the vision that the best is yet to come. Like with each decade, I don't know what it's been like for you, but for me personally, every decade of my life has been better than the last.Yes.And as I would say, I crossed over into being a baby crone. Because I feel like we have decades ahead of us in this stage. I only expect that each decade will get better.So this podcast is both an invitation for women of our age or stage of life, mid fifties to into the sixties, to remember how important it is for you to own your impact. And it's just the way that you make the ripple effect in your life. It doesn't mean you have to start a movement, although you may, it doesn't mean you have to create the next great work, although you may. It's just the way that you remember that you matter. And it's for the women who are in the stages as a maiden discovering their purpose. And for the young mothers and for the seasoned mothers who are facing, as we know the initiations and challenges don't stop once your children grow up.Maria: Yes, we know that well.Joan:Yes. So my guests and I are going to be sharing stories and unpacking wisdom for the whole arc of our development as women. And I will be having guests who are at different stages in the journey. So I'll be having guests who are mothers, I'll be having guests who are in the maiden stage, and I may even have some men as guests.Maria: Oh, okay. Joan:In the ways that they can illuminate and call us to, I would say our greatness and our fullness of power and presence as women.Maria:Power and presence. You don't usually hear those two together. You know, those two words, concepts together, power and presence. Hmm.Joan:Yes. Yes. So I'm just tuning in to see what else needs to be shared. Well, I can tell you that I will be recording episodes that will be released twice a month.Maria: Okay.Joan:So I plan to have one interview and then one of my own wisdom codes, which may be like today with a friend, or it may be in the solo format. That remains to be seen. I did actually try to record this episode on my own. And let's just say my perfectionism and my micromanagement of it took over. And then I was like, why not invite a friend ?Maria:And isn't that part of being tuned into the feminine is to let yourself be led and to be creative and , you know, to you have a plan, but then you may be redirected. Right?Joan:Exactly. Exactly. Oh, and that's the other piece I want to name because it feels important. I realized that my dolphin retreat, which happened after my commitment, was my first we'll say consecration as my crone. My first anointing became this beautiful multi-generational group of women that came together. My own daughter was there, which was so powerful. So there were two mother daughter sets. There were wise women, there were queens, there were other rising Crones. It was like the culmination of what I was being called to create. And then a few months later, my birthday came and I had this ecstatic dance party . Oh,Maria:That sounds lovely. Fun.Joan:Yes.so on the eve of my 60th birthday, I had this ecstatic dance party. And again, I was surrounded by mothers and maidens and wise women and priestesses and aspiring Crones. And again, so that's the piece that came out of recording this on my own, is I realized that thread. And then I was called to create this and to call us all together again in a larger sense, in a more global sense to say, let's remember that we're all on this journey together. I have this vision of us walking this path together to the fullness of who we are to that power and that presence. And sometimes we're walking like you and I are, with women in the same stage of life that we're in, and sometimes we are available to be present to support someone who is following in our footsteps. Or we have those women in our lives - I know you have someone in your life who is a mentor for you - who has more lived experience.Maria:Right. Yes. The elders. I love that you said the rising crone, and I had never seen the crone as having stages. So I think that's really … and rising crone just has this lovely energy to it. And I also love the visual Joan of of your audience of who your beloveds are, of who you're here to serve, both on the boat in Bimini and then in your ecstatic dance party. You were literally given a visual of who this offer is for. And who called in this offering, really.Joan:Yes. Yes, exactly.Yeah. So it's, it's my honor and my pleasure to offer you this gift and this chance to journey with me and with my guests. And I will say that I was called to create an opportunity to deepen as well. So with my guests, like the wise women, the wise souls that will be offering the various aspects of the Crone Codes.So because this podcast is housed on Substack, I wanted it to be free and available, and I wanted to create an opportunity to go deeper. So there will be a unique paid community for bonus content that will offer prompts and resources and tools and exercises beyond the wisdom that's offered in these podcast episodes. So there will be bonus content, and I will have in the show notes the way that you can explore and can subscribe to that.Maria:, very exciting. . Could you give us a few examples of what, what the codes are, who some of the guests will be? I'm just curious about that.Joan:Yes. So I know that one of the guests who I will be interviewing soon and her episode is coming out with this one will be about Bold Visions and Big Asks, which is about giving voice to our visions and our deepest heart's desires. But making those big asks, asks from a place of our expanded joy from our places of being plugged in to the power and presence within us and also in life. And it's also inviting others to join us in creating something even bigger. And we'll be having guests who will be talking about things like relationships, and our divine union and how to create more partnership with our partners, whether we're just starting out or whether we have been at this for a while. We'll be having things about aging, conscious aging and how we come to terms with aging and beauty and really all those things that the Google definition, you know, the ugly .Maria:Yeah. Old ,Joan:The old, the evil.Like that's the prescription for women. You have to be good. You have to be pleasing, you have to be youthful. So the codes will be related to our spiritual connection, towards being our authentic self, towards all the dimensions of just living as a woman in this day and age. Does that answer the question?Maria:Yes. Yes. And I can see how the bonus membership is going to be so helpful to take what you are inspired by or curious about, and then go deeper and apply it to your own life. Like, I can already see I need the big ask bonus content. . It all goes so beautifully together. Hmm. Love that.Joan:Thank you. Yes. Well, again, I'm listening. I'm tuned in and I'm listening to what I'm being guided to create, which is one of the main and foundational codes for us as Crones is learning to trust that inner wisdom, learning to follow. Just follow where we are led by that source of wisdom within us.Maria: I love that.Joan:Yes. To meet what shows up and lean into the challenges, get the support and the resources we need to overcome or to transmute or to transform. And then, you know, it's kind of taking the next step, becoming the next larger version of who we're here to be.Maria:It's almost like blueprints. It feels like blueprints for different areas of our life and different developmental tasks, you know? And how lovely to have that for women in different stages. Like I'm thinking of our daughters who are, you know, young adults. And to have some sense of direction and some practical strategies for navigating those developmental challenges.Joan:Exactly. It's like trusting …Like wouldn't it have been nice Maria if we had learned to trust and embrace who we were so much sooner?Maria:Yes. Yes. And I see that there are women starting sooner. There are a lot of women that are starting way sooner than I did.Joan: Yes.Maria: And we were in the field (of mental health and spiritual development), and so we were lucky that we had all this access to resources, and still we didn't .Joan: Right.Well, we had to overcome so much cultural programming. And there are ways in which each generation does the heavy lifting for the generations that are coming behind them. And we also receive the gifts of the wisdom, their wisdom that they're bringing in. And I also think about like the perimenopausal passage …Maria: Yes.Joan:Just some of those very nitty gritty physical, real life things that so many women are navigating. And I remember that stage. So to have guests on who can speak to those codes as well. And how to do that in a way that's both the most loving of ourselves and kind to our self and easeful. Maria:And even understanding it , you know, getting the knowledge of what's happening in our own body and how to help our body. And how to help ourselves.Joan:Precisely. How to help ourselves. And similarly I think about the journey of motherhood and becoming a mother, and some of the ways that … The challenges that I remember facing around childbirth and the birthing experience that are still present today. And there's a lot that's shifting about that. But there are still many young women who are experiencing, whether it's traumatic events related to childbirth or just not knowing that they have a voice or a say in how to navigate that passage.Maria:And the permission to do it a lot of different ways rather than …Joan: yes,Maria: this way is the right way, or this way is the right way. That's what I think a lot of us women, we just have so much noise in our head because there's criticism for everything, you know?Joan: Right.Maria: So it would be such a relief to have that open acceptance. Yeah.Joan: Exactly.Maria: .Joan:All right, my friend. So Maria will be joining us at some point soon, Maria: .Joan:And we'll get into that. Yeah. But is there anything else you wanna say just by way of introducing you? Anything else I need to say about …Maria:Introducing me? Yes, I was gonna say, Joan, they don't know who you are. And I mean, I've come to know you. What now? Is it seven? No, eight years? Is it eight years? Oh my gosh. And I just am excited because I get the benefit of your incredibly diverse body, mind, heart, and spirit, holistic wisdom and your open, raw, vulnerability about your own being. It is so rich, and I'm very excited for everyone who would be listening or watching to receive that. It's a very unique blend of so many, so much wisdom and so much experience. And because you dive in and you live this, you're not just talking, you know, you're living it. .Joan:Yes, I am. I like to say that my mode is to dive into the deep end and learn to swim, which I've done time and time and time again, . But I am trained just like you as a clinical social worker. And I worked for many years as a psychotherapist. I have worked as a spiritual teacher and guide in a number of traditions. I love embodiment work. I am devoted spiritually to my ongoing, ever evolving relationship with the Divine. I have taught and done a whole lot with relationships and codependency. I've been married for 30 some years at this point. Who, who can even count ?Maria:I don't know if Bill would wanna … Joan:Somewhere around 35 or 36. So I've walked that path. I've raised one daughter. So I've kind of tasted from the buffet of the various experiences that we as women and I've been a business owner and a creator. I had my own podcast previously, trust Your Sacred Feminine Flow. And this is the next incarnation of that. So I'm a lifelong learner, as someone I know likes to say. I am all about getting in there and living into what I'm learning. And I love to share a good resource.Maria: yes. ,Joan: It’s one of my most exciting things.Maria: Yes, And I'm always like, what? Give me more. Joan: I’m always so excited to share a good gift or resource with someone. So I'm delighted to have this platform and this vehicle to share all of these amazing resources with each of you. So I think we're gonna end it with that.Maria: Yes. I can't wait. .Joan: Yes. So thank you for being here.I just want to remind you, if no one's told you that you are loved and you are love.Bye-Bye. Get full access to The Crone Codes with Joan Advent at joanadvent.substack.com/subscribe