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The Datsusara Podcast

by Chris Odell

DATSUSARA 脱サラ is a Japanese phrase that essentially means "To escape drudgery and find one's true path". This concept of living a life of self determination is the primary focus of the show. Episodes will feature guests that are examples of living the Datsusara way. The show is hosted by Chris Odell who is the founder of a the modern hemp gear companies, Datsusara (DSgear.com), and Odell Sports & Leisure (OdellSports.com).

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Episodes

  1. #41 Robb Wolf - Optimal Health Through Modern Science & Paleo Wisdom

    Chris has a fun and educational talk with ancestral health expert Robb Wolf. Robb is a former research biochemist, author of The Paleo Solution and Wired to Eat. In addition he co-founded the first and fourth CrossFit affiliates and co-founded the popular electrolyte drink LMNT. Topics discussed...

  2. #40 Roy Dean - Finding the Way Through BJJ

    Chris speaks with Jiu Jitsu black belt Roy Dean about everything from his early start earning black belts in the traditional martial arts of Judo, Aikikai Aikido, Seibukan Jujutsu and Enshin Itto Ryu Batto Jutsu, a Japanese sword system, all the way to achieving his 4th degree in BJJ under Roy...

  3. #39 Rick Ellis - Older and Wiser Grappling

    Chris and jiu jitsu black belt Rick Ellis talk about his career path that led him to establish The Art of Skill website which produces engaging video content primarily for the BJJ community, his founding and hosting of the Old Grapplers Summit events for practitioners over 40, teaching jiu jitsu,...

  4. #38 Jack Taufer - Jiu Jitsu Training, Teaching & Traveling

    Chris has an enlightening conversation with Jack Taufer, a Dave Kama Jiu Jitsu black belt. They talk about his beginnings in the art looking for a way to deal with street fights in Utah as a young man and then finding Jiu Jitsu which changed his life. They also discuss his time traveling and...

  5. #37 Ryan Young - Preservation & Transmission of Rickson Gracie Jiu Jitsu

    Chris has a conversation with 3rd degree black belt Ryan Young who runs Kama Jiu Jitsu's Dallas Texas location. Ryan has been training since 1989 under Relson Gracie in his home state of Hawaii. He talks about the early days of Jiu Jitsu in America and how he eventually met Rickson Gracie student...

  6. #36 Nathan Orchard - Pathologically Aggressive

    Chris catches up with Nathan Orchard, a 3rd degree BJJ black belt under Eddie Bravo at 10th Planet. They talk about his unorthodox beginnings as a self taught MMA fighter, and his move to focus on Jiu Jitsu in the 10th Planet system where he was promoted to blue belt status before ever taking a...

  7. #35- Chris Burns - Fuck 'Em if They Can't Take a Choke

    Host Chris Odell has a long and amusing conversation with BJJ Black Belt and somewhat reluctant BJJ instructional video star Chris Burns. They discuss Chris' history and current work in the realm of Jiu Jitsu, their shared passion for the original martial art, particularly as shown by Rickson...

  8. #34 - James Driskill - Rickson's Uke & Principal Learning

    Chris sits down with James Driskill, a Rickson Gracie black belt currently serving as Rickson's full time uke and assistant instructor. James has applied the principals of learning to many areas of life including regenerative agriculture, cannabis farming and many more topics covered in the...

  9. #33 - Josh McKinney - I Suck at Jiu-Jitsu

    Josh McKinney and Chris Odell have a fun talk about various topics revolving mostly around Josh's life journey from being a fat kid needing exercise to becoming a top level competitor, to founding his own gym. Josh is also the host of a podcast that Datsusara proudly sponsors called "I Suck at...

  10. #32 - Akira the Don - Meaningwave

    Akira The Don talks with Chris about how and why he creates music that channels the great philosophy of the ages, finding meaning in life through dark times, Chris' return to the podcast and jiu jitsu. Akira the Don is an Artist, DJ, and architect of the Meaningwave® Universe. Sponsored by...

  11. #31 - Bob Kotowski - Olde School Golf

    Chris interviews his friend and golf instructor Bob Kotowski, a PGA professional. They discuss their love of the sport and how the lessons apply well beyond the golf course. An accomplished PGA golf instructor and personal coach to over 10,000 students, Bob Kotowski has over 50 years of hands-on,...

  12. #30 - Oren Amitay - Calm the Mind and Face Your Fears

    Dr. Oren Amitay returns to the podcast to talk with Chris about psychological techniques for calming the mind in order to combat fear, anxiety and paralysis from over conscientiousness. Dr. Oren Amitay a psychologist trained in 8 different therapy orientations, a university lecturer and serves as...

  13. #29 - Lee Mellor - Murder, Free Speech, and Storytelling

    Lee Mellor is a author, criminologist and profiler specializing in abnormal homicide and sex crimes, lecturer, podcaster and singer-songwriter. In this episode Chris talks with Lee about his interesting choice of studying murder and why that is such a fascinating topic for people, free speech and...

  14. #28 - Chris Odell - Ask Me Anything, April 2018

    The third in our "Ask Me Anything"(AMA) style episodes with Datsusara founder Chris Odell. Chris answers questions submitted and voted on via Reddit. Sponsored by Datsusara Twitter: @DatsuChris Facebook: Chris Datsusara Odell Intro and outro music by Twenty Shades of Red with excerpts from a…

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  15. #27 - Antero Alli - Motivation for Creation

    Antero returns to the podcast to share his thoughts with Chris on topics ranging from meaningful occupations, to psychedelic exploration to transforming uncertainty into motivation for creation. Antero Alli comes from a deep background of writing, directing, and producing experimental theatre and...

  16. #26 - Travis Newaza - Jiu Jitsu Philosophy and Brand Building

    Travis Newaza Warner is a well known and somewhat controversial and mysterious figure in the Jiu Jitsu community. He founded the company Newaza Apparel in order to fund his competitive Jiu Jitsu journey featuring matches and title wins at high profile competitions including Gracie Worlds, and...

  17. #25 - Oren Amitay - Psychology, Free Speech and Well Adjusted Children

    Dr. Oren Amitay a psychologist trained in 8 different therapy orientations, a university lecturer and serves as an expert witness in the Ontario court system. He also has a podcast called "The Real Reality". Chris and Oren discuss psychology, raising well adjusted children, PC/SJW extremist...

  18. #24 - Jonathan Pageau - The Symbolic Worldview

    Jonathan Pageau is an Eastern Orthodox religious icon carver by trade. Recently he has also been speaking on and making videos which explore the symbolic worldview. Chris talks with Jonathan about his personal Datsusara journey which led to his work as an icon carver and also his more recent...

  19. #23 - Clay Routledge - The Psychological Significance of Meaningful Lives

    Dr. Clay Routledge is an author, psychological scientist, and professor. His research focuses on the many ways that people gain and maintain perceptions of meaning in life and how these perceptions contribute to psychological wellbeing, physical health, and intergroup relations. Chris talks with...

  20. #22 - Jordan Peterson - Self Authoring & Truth

    Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto and previously at Harvard. He has written multiple books and produced hundreds of lectures on topics of psychology, mythology, neuroscience, religion, war and in particular the works and philosophy...

  21. #21 - Nick Osipczak - Martial Arts Spirit

    Nick Osipczak is a British Mixed Martial Artist that has fought in the UFC and also starred on "The Ultimate Fighter" tv show. Nick brings a unique perspective to the arts as he comes from a Tai Chi background and has learned how to integrate that into his MMA practice. Nick also teaches the...

  22. #20 - Matt Thornton - Authenticity is Alive

    Matt Thornton is the founder of Straight Blast Gym International, an association of over 35 gyms worldwide engaged in training athletes in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing and mixed martial arts. Matt has also been applying many of his ideas to the discipline of philosophy, where he champions...

  23. #19 - Katy Bowman - Nutritious Movement Matters

    Katy Bowman is biomechanist, author and instructor who has focused her studies and teaching on the everyday movement patterns of human beings. Katy blends a scientific approach with straight talk solutions to healthy living via everyday lifestyle choices, rather than making personal health care...

  24. #18 - Dr. Alex Feng - Born to the Path

    An accomplished healer, teacher, and martial artist, Dr. Feng, was literally born into a living philosophy. He provides a short introduction to Taoism, where he sees all practice and ritual having a foundation in gratitude. He also shares his own perspective and advice for people on the Datsusara...

  25. #17 - Richie Boogeyman Martinez - Rise of the Freak Brother

    Dancer, Fighter, Businessman. A 10th Planet Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt under Eddie Bravo, Richie discusses his personal Datsusara history, his present, and his future. Already an accomplished Break Dancer, Jiu-Jitsu and MMA were never his first choice. Stuck in an unhappy, unsatisfying, work...

  26. #16 - Kathy Odell - Thoughtful Leadership, Ethics in Business and Personal Life

    In this episode we change things up and talk with Kathy Odell who is a senior executive with over 30 years of leadership experience in early stage and high growth enterprises. Kathy talks with host Chris Odell about her history and challenges from growing up in a time where women had just entered...

  27. #15 - Ulises Bella - The Street Dragon, Nonstop Chaos

    The long delayed interview with Grammy winning artist and Jiu Jitsu black belt, Ulises Bella of Ozomatli. Chris and Ben were able to sit down with him recently in Los Angeles at the Ghetto Dojo for a fun conversation full of unexpected turns. The running theme of this interview is the importance…

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  28. #14 - Noble Smith - The Wisdom of the Shire

    Datsusara founder and podcast host, Chris Odell has often been compared to a Hobbit by at least by one member of the Datsusara staff. So it's more than appropriate that this month's discussion is with award winning author of Wisdom of the Shire, Noble Smith -- who, among other things, also writes...

  29. #13 - Joe Henney - Industrial Designer, Father & Farmer

    Chris Odell and co-host Ben Charles sit down with industrial designer, father and farmer Joe Henney. We talk about why he chose to work in the industrial design field, working as a freelancer, time management as a father, and life on his 6 acre farm. Related links: http://www.joehenney.com...

  30. #12 - Chris Odell - Ask Me Anything

    The second in our "Ask Me Anything"(AMA) style episodes with Datsusara founder Chris Odell and co-host Benjamin Charles. Chris answers the questions below that were submitted via social media and talks about winter challenges. I always hear about how hemp can generate much more paper than trees,...

  31. #11 - Matt Ross - Captain Fantastic

    Matt Ross is a film and television actor whom you may have seen in American Psycho, The Aviator, Big Love or Silicon Valley. He more recently wrote and directed a film called Captain Fantastic which is about a father completely dedicated to raising his six children, by very unconventional means…

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  32. #10 - Richard Manning - Go Wild, Freedom from Modern Afflictions

    Investigate journalist and author Richard Manning talks with us on a broad range of topics, from environmental issues to how to prevent disease by living more in accord with our genes. In particular we focus on issues covered in his book "Go Wild: Free Your Mind and Body from the Afflictions of...

  33. #9 - Antero Alli - Embrace the Void

    Antero Alli returns to the podcast to wax philosophical with Chris about various subjects ranging from personal integrity of action to the potential for bliss or terror created by freedom of time. Antero Alli comes from a deep background of writing, directing, and producing experimental theatre…

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  34. #8 - Nathan Orchard & Phil Schwartz - Liberation, Violence, & Jiu Jitsu

    Nathan and Phil are founders of 10th Planet Portland, a branch of the 10th Planet no-gi Jiu Jitsu system. Nathan is a black belt and Phil a high level brown belt. Nathan has competed at the Eddie Bravo Invitational which airs on UFC Fight Pass. They have both had great success by leaving...

  35. #7 - Rollie Peterkin - Leaving Wall Street to Become an MMA Fighter in Peru

    Rollie Peterkin is an excellent example of a Datsusara as he left a lucrative career on Wall Street to become an MMA fighter in Peru. His journey doesn't stop there and you'll hear all about it in this episode. It's a great example of how a more simple and more natural life can also be a more...

  36. #6 - Chris Odell - Ask Me Anything

    This is the first of our occasional "Ask Me Anything"(AMA) style episodes with Datsusara founder Chris Odell and co-host Benjamin Charles. Chris answers questions that were submitted via social media. Topics range from industrial hemp issues to which Star Trek captain is the best. Enjoy.…

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  37. #5 - Mark Cheng - Training, Healing & Balance

    Dr. Mark Cheng has carved a unique path in the world of human performance as both a sought-after clinician and a respected strength & conditioning coach / martial arts researcher. He talk to us about how he became a healer after training in the martial arts for many year. Also discussed is the…

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  38. #4 - Duncan Trussell - Escape Velocity Comedy

    Duncan Trussell talks about his journey to becoming a successful comedian and podcaster, the energy it takes to set your own course, and his thoughts on the state of the human condition. Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, known for his podcast "The Duncan Trussell Family Hour" and his…

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  39. #3 - Henry Akins - Hidden Jiu Jitsu

    Henry Akins has been training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for over 20 years. He is a black belt under the legendary Rickson Gracie and taught at Rickson's school for 10 years. He currently teaches the art full time at Dynamix MMA in Santa Monica, California where he has been since 2011. He is also the...

  40. #2 - Daniele Bolelli - On the Warrior's Path

    Daniele Bolelli is an Italian-born writer, martial artist, university professor, podcaster and father. He talks with us about his path to get where he is now and his trials along the way. We also discuss time management and other issues at the heart of the Datsusara lifestyle. He is the author of...

  41. #1 - Antero Alli - Living Outside the Machine.

    Antero Alli is about as Datsusara as one can be as he has led a life of integrity independent of the corporate machine. He shares his history and tales of his adventures along the way along with advice on how to find yourself and stay true. Antero Alli comes from a deep background of writing,...

  42. #0 - Chris Odell - Introduction to The Datsusara Podcast

    Chris Odell with a brief introduction to help set the stage for what you can expect from the show. In this episode: • The definition of Datsusara • Chris' summarized Datsusara journey • The Datsusara way of life • Podcast format, guest standards and content • Self deprecation • Plug for Chris'...

About this show

DATSUSARA 脱サラ is a Japanese phrase that essentially means "To escape drudgery and find one's true path". This concept of living a life of self determination is the primary focus of the show. Episodes will feature guests that are examples of living the Datsusara way. The show is hosted by Chris Odell who is the founder of a the modern hemp gear companies, Datsusara (DSgear.com), and Odell Sports & Leisure (OdellSports.com).

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Frequently asked questions

How many episodes does The Datsusara Podcast have?

The Datsusara Podcast has 42 episodes on PodParley. The most recent episode was published on February 6, 2026.

What is The Datsusara Podcast about?

DATSUSARA 脱サラ is a Japanese phrase that essentially means "To escape drudgery and find one's true path". This concept of living a life of self determination is the primary focus of the show. Episodes will feature guests that are examples of living the Datsusara way. The show is hosted by Chris...

How often does The Datsusara Podcast release new episodes?

The Datsusara Podcast publishes about every 88 days, based on its 42 episodes since March 2016.

Who hosts The Datsusara Podcast?

The Datsusara Podcast is created and hosted by Chris Odell.
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