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The Interop

Technical deep dives with the entrepreneurs and developers building the decentralized economics networks which make up the Interchain. The Interop is hosted by crypto investor and podcaster @seb3point0.

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    Crypto’s Casino Phase: The Future of Bitcoin, Ethereum & DeFi with Jordi Alexander

    Join Jordi Alexander, CEO of Selini Capital and host of the Steady Lads podcast, as he unpacks the current state of global markets and crypto in a high-stakes era. From the macroeconomic shifts driving Bitcoin and gold to the speculative bubbles bursting in altcoins and meme tokens, Jordi shares his candid views on where value lies today. This episode dives deep into the intersection of AI and crypto, the future of DeFi, and the economic forces shaping the next phase of digital finance.🎧 Listen to The Interop on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/58QAYwzVjCLrWR8E4tWbgmConsider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters
00:00 Introduction03:00 Crypto as a Casino Phase07:15 The Base vs. Speculation Framework12:00 AI’s Role in Crypto’s Future17:45 Ethereum’s Struggles & Lessons23:30 Bitcoin, Gold & Global Shifts28:00 Wrap-Up & Market Outlook📎 LinksThe Interop - https://interop.ventures/Selini Capital - https://www.selinicapital.com/🌐 SocialsJordi - https://x.com/gametheorizingSebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0Selini Capital - https://x.com/SeliniCapital🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Why Ethereum Got Scaling Wrong with Lucian Mincu of MultiversX

    Lucian Mincu, co-founder of Multiverse X, dives deep into the critical decisions that shaped the blockchain industry. He shares why Ethereum abandoned state sharding and how Multiverse X boldly implemented it from day one to redefine scalability and speed. Discover the game-changing potential of sub-second finality, adaptive state sharding, and the vision for invisible, seamless blockchain interactions. Lucian also tackles the rising demand for stablecoins, their role in global finance, and the shifts in payments that are reshaping real-world adoption.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters
00:00 Introduction03:10 Multiverse X Origins06:24 Why Ethereum Chose Rollups10:43 Sharding vs. Rollups18:37 Sub-Second Finality24:34 Stablecoins & Payments31:39 Future of Blockchain📎 LinksMultiversX - https://multiversx.com/Whitepaper - https://files.multiversx.com/multiversx-whitepaper.pdf🌐 SocialsLucian Mincu - https://x.com/lucianmincuSebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0Plaza - https://x.com/MultiversX🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    10% Yield on ETH? Here’s How Plaza Finance Does It

    Ryan Galvankar, founder of Plaza, joins to discuss the groundbreaking launch of on-chain bonds and leverage products built on Base. From a 10% ETH-backed yield to the role of institutions in DeFi, Ryan explores how Plaza is redefining decentralized finance. Tune in to understand why long-term ETH investments could outpace market cycles and how programmable derivatives are unlocking new possibilities for investors.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters
00:00 Why Long-Term Matters02:10 Plaza Mainnet Launch05:30 ETH Investment: Long vs Short11:01 Institutional Adoption & Stablecoins16:13 RWA Tokenization Challenges23:59 Plaza Bonds & Leverage31:13 ETH Bonds Offer 10% Yield36:07 From Cosmos to Base📎 LinksPlaza Finance - https://plaza.finance/Plaza Docs (Overview) - https://docs.plaza.finance/🌐 SocialsRyan Galvankar - https://x.com/unhedged21Sebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0Plaza - https://x.com/plaza_finance🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    "Liquidity Fragmentation Isn't a Technical Problem, It's an Economic One" - Josh Bowen of Astria

    Most rollups today aren’t sovereign. They rely on a single sequencer, creating a major centralization risk. Josh Bowen, CEO of Astria Labs breaks down how shared sequencing fixes this—eliminating blockchain silos and making rollups more secure and interoperable. Without shared infrastructure, modular blockchains just become fragmented networks. We explore the trade-offs in existing rollup solutions, why DA layers aren’t enough, and how Astria is reshaping the rollup landscape by removing single points of failure. This is how rollups can stay independent while still working together. The future of Ethereum scaling is here.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters00:00 What Is Astria02:10 Rollup Problems Today06:30 Why Sequencers Matter10:45 Fixing Interop & Silos14:55 Modular Chains Are Siloed19:20 Shared vs. Solo Sequencing23:40 What’s Next for Scaling📎 LinksAstria Labs - https://www.astria.org/🌐 SocialsJosh Bowen - https://x.com/JskybowenSebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0Astria - https://x.com/AstriaOrg🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Build A Chain In Any Language with Melanie Mohr of PWR Labs

    Melanie Mohr, Co-founder of PWR Labs, joins to talk about building a new kind of blockchain infrastructure—one that finally bridges Web2 and Web3. PWR Chain separates consensus from execution, enabling developers to build their own chains—called VIDAs—in any language: JavaScript, Python, C++, Rust, Move, Solidity. No VM restrictions, no validators required, and no gas tokens needed.We dive into:– How PWR Chain rethinks the Layer 1 / Layer 2 stack – Why most blockchains failed to attract developers – How DPoP (Delegated Proof of Power) secures the base layer – What makes VIDAs different from L2s and appchains – The potential for massive corporate adoptionPWR Chain isn’t just another L1. It’s a new model for scaling decentralized applications—built to handle the next 10 million developers.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters00:00 Introduction02:10 Powerchain’s Edge06:13 Developer Challenges11:22 Evolving Coding Standards17:53 Consensus and Validation24:04 Efficient Blockchain Design28:58 Data and Scaling34:35 Flexible Virtual Machines40:38 Power Token Insights45:57 Closing Thoughts📎 LinksPWR Chain (White Paper) - https://whitepaperv2.pwrlabs.io/PWR Chain Website - www.pwrlabs.io🌐 Socials (X)Melanie Mohr - https://x.com/mohrwomSebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0PWR Labs - https://x.com/pwrlabs🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Hold DOGE, XRP, LTC? MoreMarkets Lets You Stake It!

    Altan Tutar, CEO of MoreMarkets (formerly Nuffle Labs), shares how the platform unlocks the potential of dormant crypto assets like Doge and XRP. By leveraging innovative infrastructure, MoreMarkets makes it easy for users to participate in DeFi without bridging risks. Altan discusses the evolution from NEAR DA to enabling seamless cross-chain staking and liquidity. Dive into the conversation on restaking, fast finality layers, and the future of crypto usability.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters
00:00 Meet Altan Tutar01:30 Why MoreMarkets?04:20 Unlocking Dinosaur Assets07:00 Bridging vs. Locking09:50 Staking Rewards Explained13:20 Eigenlayer's Impact16:00 NEAR DA Insights21:10 AI in Liquidity26:30 DeFi Risks Simplified33:00 KYC Issues in Crypto36:50 MoreMarkets Roadmap📎 LinksMoreMarkets - https://moremarkets.xyz/🌐 SocialsAltan Tutar - https://x.com/mraltantutarSebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0MoreMarkets - https://x.com/moremarketsxyz🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Symbiotic Mainnet: Why Modular Restaking Matters with Felix Lutsch

    Felix Lutsch, Head of Ecosystem at Symbiotic, dives deep into the future of blockchain security, modular restaking systems, and the challenges of decentralization. Learn how Symbiotic’s flexible architecture is paving the way for innovative use cases like insurance, multi-asset staking, and RWA integration. Felix also shares insights on Ethereum, Cosmos, and Bitcoin’s evolving role in DeFi.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📎 LinksSymbiotic Mainnet - https://blog.symbiotic.fi/symbiotic-arrives-on-mainnet/Symbiotic - https://symbiotic.fi/🌐 SocialsSebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0Felix Lutsch - https://x.com/FelixLtsThe Interop Podcast - https://x.com/TheInterop📚 Chapters00:00 Introduction to Felix Lutsch01:43 Symbiotic's Vision & Evolution04:03 Alignment with Cosmos & Polkadot06:18 Multi-Asset Approach Explained09:03 Bitcoin's Role in Symbiotic11:49 Trends & Applications16:08 Real World Assets Integration23:09 Unique Vaults & Partnerships28:07 Mainnet Launch Metrics34:11 Future Prospects for Symbiotic35:18 Centralization Concerns & Staking🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    USDN: Real Yield & Programmability in One Stablecoin with Jelena Djuric of Noble

    Jelena Djuric, CEO and co-founder of Noble, joins Sebastien Couture to discuss Noble’s groundbreaking updates. From the launch of the $USDN, a composable yield stablecoin, to its role in the Cosmos and EVM ecosystems, Jelena reveals how Noble is reshaping stablecoin issuance and real-world asset integration. Explore how Noble leverages IBC to eliminate fragmentation, drive adoption, and enable seamless liquidity across ecosystems.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters
00:00 Introduction01:01 What is Noble Dollar?02:11 Scaling as a Founder03:37 Team Expansion & Hiring06:24 USDC Growth on Noble10:18 Stablecoin Use Cases14:09 IBC Eureka22:06 Proof of Authority Explained34:16 Launching the Noble Dollar41:23 Future Plans for Noble Token46:42 The Role of Cosmos and IBC📎 LinksNoble's Website🌐 SocialsJelana Djuric on XSebastien CoutureNoble on X🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Will Stablecoins Replace Traditional Money? with Ryne Saxe of ECO

    Stablecoins are changing the game in crypto. 🚀 Join us as Ryne Saxe, CEO of Eco, explains how his platform is building seamless cross-chain liquidity and making stablecoins the gateway for mass crypto adoption. Discover how stablecoins simplify payments, power emerging markets, and enable groundbreaking financial innovation. With insights on institutional adoption, user-friendly designs, and yield opportunities, this episode is a must-watch for crypto enthusiasts and builders alike.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters
00:00 Introduction02:10 Driving Crypto Adoption06:43 Stablecoins in Emerging Markets12:14 Institutional Stablecoins Coming20:09 Simplifying On-Chain Payments26:10 Eco’s Vision Explained30:09 Yield with Crowd Liquidity35:43 Intent-Based Transactions42:11 Solving Cross-Chain Issues50:39 Eco + Hyperlane📎 LinksEco Website - https://eco.com/🌐 SocialsRyne Saxe - https://x.com/rynesaxeSebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0Eco - https://x.com/eco🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    The Shocking Truth About Crypto Privacy

    Join Adrian Brink, co-founder of Anoma, as he delves into groundbreaking concepts reshaping blockchain technology. Explore how Namada is leading the charge in privacy-first crypto systems and why intent-based protocols are the future. Learn about the push for user-controlled data, resilient systems for a chaotic world, and how decentralized blockchains can enable new applications. Get insights into building systems that protect user privacy while driving real-world adoption.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures📚 Chapters00:00 Introduction00:43 Transparency Limits Blockchain01:05 What Is Namada?03:45 How Namada & Anoma Differ06:24 Crypto’s Transparency07:18 How AI Fits Into This13:28 Endgame for Intents18:49 AI Blockchain Apps23:18 How Super Apps Fit In30:19 Namada’s Roadmap33:07 Privacy Practices to Improve39:01 Regulation & Compliance📎 LinksAnoma's Website🌐 SocialsAdrian BrinkSebastien CoutureAnomaNamada🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    AI & Blockchain Will Redefine Everything

    Illia Polosukhin, co-founder of NEAR Protocol, discusses the intersection of AI, blockchain, and crypto's evolving role in the global economy. From regulatory clarity to the rise of AI-driven super apps, Illia explains how these technologies will disrupt industries, empower users, and challenge traditional systems.📚Chapters01:40 The State of Crypto
06:16 Why AI Startups Avoid Crypto
11:51 Regulation’s Role in Innovation17:13 AI Agents Meet Blockchain
22:22 The Rise of Super Apps
33:29 Trusted Execution Environments (TEEs)
37:18 Near’s Multi-layered Stack
42:38 What’s Next for Near Protocol?📎LinksConsider staking with Interop VenturesNEAR Protocol🌐 SocialsIllia PolosukhinSebastien CoutureNEAR Protocol on X🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    AI Agents will Empower DeFi in 2025

    AI agents are transforming blockchain and DeFi. SAFE’s modular smart accounts provide secure tools for agents to manage funds and drive innovation. Discover how autonomous agents enable synthetic economies, revolutionize transactions, and unlock new possibilities in DeFi, gaming, and beyond. SAFE is leading this shift with cutting-edge infrastructure and open-source technology for 2025 and beyond. Alexis Savvides shares insights into synthetic economies, autonomous agents, and how this technology is reshaping DeFi, gaming, and beyond. 🎧 Listen to The Interop on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/58QAYwzVjCLrWR8E4tWbgm 📚 Chapters 00:00 Welcome to the SAFE Podcast 00:36 Latest Innovations 02:59 AI and Crypto Overview 05:18 Understanding AI Agents 11:12 Levels of AI Agents 14:14 Agents in On-Chain Transactions 17:24 AI Models Driving Innovation 19:51 SAFE’s Role in AI 22:41 Developer Opportunities 27:22 AI Agents Replacing Developers 29:04 Humans in a Synthetic Economy 🌐 Socials Alexis - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexissavvides Sebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0 🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Biconomy’s “Supertransactions” are changing the way we use crypto

    Ahmed Al-Balaghi and Mislav Javor dive deep into their mission to simplify Web3 for developers and users alike. From gasless transactions to modular execution environments, this episode explores how Biconomy is tackling blockchain UX challenges. Learn about super transactions, multichain scaling, and the vision for a seamless Web3 future. Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures 🎧 Listen to The Interop on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/58QAYwzVjCLrWR8E4tWbgm 📚 Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:05 The Origins of Biconomy 03:36 Evolution of Mission & Products 06:42 Staying Focused Through Market Cycles 11:16 Introducing Modular Execution Environment (MEE) 17:00 ERC 4337 vs. MEE 26:19 What Are Super Transactions? 35:02 Supporting EVMs & Non-EVM Chains 40:36 Challenges in Gasless Transactions 44:48 Decentralization vs. User Experience 50:17 Exploring AI Agents in Web3 57:49 Biconomy’s Roadmap for 2025 🌐 Socials Ahmed Al-Balaghi - https://x.com/arabalaghi Mislav Javor - https://x.com/ox_shaman Sebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0 🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Morpho: Building a Unicorn from College with Paul Frambot

    Paul Frambot, co-founder and CEO of Morpho Labs, joins the show to discuss Morpho’s transformative impact on decentralized lending. From building a permissionless protocol to scaling Morpho’s ecosystem to $6 billion TVL, Paul shares insights into the protocol’s unique architecture, the challenges of creating risk-managed lending markets, and why Morpho is distinct from platforms like AAVE. With discussions on token strategies, cross-chain deployments, and institutional DeFi adoption, this episode is packed with actionable insights for the DeFi space. Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures 📚 Chapters 00:00 Intro & Paul Frambot’s Journey 01:49 Building Morpho in France 06:07 What Makes Morpho Unique 11:32 Curators’ Role in Risk Management 20:14 Fee Switch & Open Source Transition 29:52 Token Transferability 35:37 Scaling Morpho Cross-Chain 44:41 Fintechs & Institutional DeFi Adoption 47:03 Is Morpho Competing with AAVE? 49:25 Challenges of Building Morpho 🔗 Links Morpho’s Mission: https://morpho.mirror.xyz/Df_r4-mDzR-xFLA3P3amuhzwq4GjuuNOnOiiVizx6ZU MIP 87 - Crosschain Deployments Framework: https://forum.morpho.org/t/mip-87-crosschain-deployments-framework/1199 Call for Grants: https://forum.morpho.org/t/call-for-grants/1177 🌐 Socials Paul Frambot - https://x.com/PaulFrambot Morpho Labs - https://morpho.org/ Sebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0 🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    How Movement CRUSHED its token launch with Ali Sheikh

    Movement launched its token to massive success, surpassing FDV expectations and igniting a vibrant ecosystem of Move powered applications. Ali Sheikh shares insights on their strategic TGE, the Move language’s impact on blockchain security, and the roadmap ahead. Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures 📚 Chapters 00:00 Intro & Background 02:10 From VC to Builder 04:30 Movement’s TGE Lessons 07:45 MOVE’s Role in Security 10:55 Movement’s Culture of Success 14:20 Supporting Ecosystem Projects 18:30 TGE Challenges 23:00 MOVE Liquid Staking & Utility 27:00 What’s Next for Movement 31:00 Emerging Markets & Developer Growth 34:30 MoveVM vs. EVM 38:00 Community Growth Initiatives 42:00 Final Thoughts & Series B Plans 🌐 Socials Ali Sheikh - https://x.com/analyticalali Movement Labs - https://x.com/movementlabsxyz Sebastien Couture - https://x.com/seb3point0 🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Bitcoin L2s will take off in 2025 | Charlie Hu of BitLayer

    Charlie Hu, co-founder of BitLayer, discusses the evolution of Bitcoin Layer 2 solutions, the significance of BitVM, and the interaction between Bitcoin L2s and core developers. He shares how BitLayer enhances Bitcoin scaling, the implications of institutional interest in Bitcoin, and the future of DeFi on the platform, highlighting the importance of partnerships and the potential risks associated with institutional capture of Bitcoin's core values. 📚 Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:55 Charlie’s transition to Bitcoin development 05:30 The rise of ordinals and Bitcoin primitives 10:18 Scaling Bitcoin: From on-chain to Layer 2 18:20 Challenges in integrating with Bitcoin Core 24:02 How Bitlayer enhances Bitcoin scalability 32:45 BitVM and trust-minimized bridges explained 39:49 What is OP_CAT and its potential impact? 46:08 The Bitcoin Defi ecosystem and its growth 50:14 Institutional interest in Bitcoin defi 56:11 Partnerships with Binance Wallet and adoption strategies 🌐 Socials Charlie Hu: https://x.com/charliehusats Bitlayer: https://x.com/bitlayerlabs Sebastien Couture: https://x.com/seb3point0 🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    How Electron Cuts ZK Proving Costs by 95% with Garvit Goel

    In this conversation, Garvit Goel, CEO of Electron, discusses the advancements and future plans of Electron, a platform designed to significantly reduce the costs associated with verifying zero-knowledge (ZK) proofs on Ethereum and other blockchains. The discussion covers the launch of their flagship product, Quantum, the integration of various proving systems, the importance of decentralization, and the potential future use cases for ZK technology. Garvit emphasizes the need for a universal aggregation layer and the competitive landscape in the ZK ecosystem, while also addressing the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for Electron and its partners. 💡 Total gas cost saved by Electron 🎧 Listen to The Interop on Youtube 📚 Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:20 Electron’s Mission 03:30 Why ZK Proofs Are Expensive 05:50 Quantum: The Aggregation Layer 08:46 Supporting Multiple Proving Systems 12:00 Innovations in Aggregation 16:34 Decentralizing the Prover Network 22:09 Protocols Using Quantum 27:41 Use Cases for ZK Rollups 35:06 Plans for Bitcoin and Other L1s 38:34 Mainnet and Future Plans 🌐 SocialsElectron's Official Website: electron.dev Stay connected with Electron: X : @ElectronZK Follow Garvit Goel: GitHub: garvitgoel Medium: garvitgoel.medium.com Instagram: @garvitgoel_ 🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications to stay updated with the latest insights in blockchain technology!

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    Shared Security for AVS Explained | Abhishek Kumar (CEO at Catalysis)

    "Economic security is not free, but Catalysis helps you find the most cost-effective solution.” Watch Abhishek Kumar, co-founder and CEO of Catalysis explain the role of Catalysis in providing abstraction layers for restaking protocols, enabling AVS builders to tap into diverse economic security sources while simplifying development. This episode explores the AVS landscape, the challenges of decentralization, and how Catalysis is solving interoperability and cost issues to accelerate innovation in decentralized app ecosystems. Topics: - The role of shared security in decentralized applications - Challenges and benefits of AVS (actively validated services) - How Catalysis abstracts restaking protocol complexities - Trade-offs between app chains and rollups - The future of multi-chain economic security - Economic and liquidity benefits of diversified security sources - Upcoming roadmap and milestones for Catalysis - Tools like the Catalysis SDK for developers - Risks and mitigations for cascading slashes - Emerging markets enabled by Catalysis (e.g., bribing and arbitrage) Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Overview 01:19 What is Catalysis? 03:32 AVS Landscape and Growth 05:46 App Chains vs. Rollups 08:32 Breaking Down Blockchain Stacks 13:15 Catalysis SDK and Tools 17:52 Economic Security Explained 25:27 Benefits of Diversified Security 37:44 Interoperability Challenges Solved 42:37 Emerging Markets in Shared Security 46:03 Catalysis Roadmap and Future Referenced: - Catalysis Blog: https://catalysis.medium.com/ - Catalysis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/0xcatalysis - Catalysis Website: https://catalysis.network/ - Blog Post: https://catalysis.medium.com/why-catalysis-enabling-a-future-with-thousands-of-avss-9197bedcf283 - Proof of Stake Mechanisms with Strong Cryptoeconomic Safety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHj9UYoiU0 Follow Abhishek Kumar, Co-founder and CEO of Catalysis • Abhishek Kumar on X - https://x.com/xenowits • Catalysis on X - https://x.com/0xcatalysis Follow Sebastien Couture, Host of The Interop on Social Media • Sebastien Couture on X - https://x.com/seb3point0 • The Interop on X - https://x.com/TheInterop Explore 'The Interop' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ohpd7RttERAZqb2iWKNOA/playlists/playlists Listen to 'The Interop' on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/58QAYwzVjCLrWR8E4tWbgm

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    Bringing XRP, ADA, BTC, and LTC to DeFi w/ Larry Lyu of Dango

    "Dango is simplifying margin trading in DeFi." Hundreds of billions of dollars of liquidity in $BCH, $DOGE, $XRP, $ADA and other assets is mostly absent from DeFi, not to mention Bitcoin. Imagine if we could fully utilize that TVL. That’s what Dango wants to achieve. Right after they rebuild the entire DeFi stack... The team built Grug as a new CosmWasm-based chain purpose-made for DeFi: - On-chain credit account - By-default smart accounts - No wallet, passkey-first approach - Fees paid in USDC - 0.5-second block times & 2,000 TPS - Secure Rust-based smart contracts They created Grug so they could be its first customer, building an ecosystem of DeFi apps: a spot DEX, a perp DEX, and a margin account for borrowing and lending. With a relentless focus on UX and an upcoming Mica-compliant ICO, I’m bullish on Dango setting a new standard for on-chain apps. Topics - Grug: A blockchain VM with smart accounts and cron jobs. - The challenges and benefits of Passkeys in blockchain. - Dango's focus on user-friendly DeFi and margin trading. - Integrating "dinosaur" assets like BCH and XRP into DeFi. - ICO strategy compliant with Mika regulations. - Tokenomics: Low-supply token design and buyback mechanism. - Proof-of-Authority vs. traditional Proof-of-Stake chains. - Decentralizing Grug: Long-term roadmap for scalability. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:12 Grug VM 06:05 Smart Accounts 13:38 DeFi Margin Trading 20:09 Dango’s UX 27:21 Dinosaur Assets 41:26 Passkeys Security 43:01 PoA Approach 53:21 Mica-Compliant ICO 58:50 Tokenomics 61:55 Demo Net & Roadmap Follow Larry Lyu, Founder of Left Curve Software • Larry Lyu on X - https://x.com/larry0x • Left Curve on X - https://x.com/leftCurveSoft • Dango on X - https://x.com/dango_zone Follow Sebastien Couture, Host of The Interop on Social Media • Sebastien Couture on X - https://x.com/seb3point0 • The Interop on X - https://x.com/TheInterop Explore 'Devcon 2024' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU0Pw_Qg-ww&list=PLAbjjdO- Explore 'Cosmoverse 2024' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MisEYEis1_s&list=PLAbjjdO-rjbmGnQUm60PPtmXZZ7a8PSOh&index=1&t=0s Explore 'The Interop' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ohpd7RttERAZqb2iWKNOA/playlists/playlists Listen to 'The Interop' on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/58QAYwzVjCLrWR8E4tWbgm

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    Can Cosmos Become a Top 3 Ecosystem? Maghnus Mareneck & Josh Cincinnati

    Cosmos is gearing up for a new era. Join Josh Cincinnati, Chair of the Interchain Foundation Council, and Magnus Marinak, Co-Founder of Interchain Labs, as they discuss the bold steps being taken to redefine the Cosmos ecosystem. From unifying development to attracting institutional liquidity, this conversation dives into the hub's role, rebranding debates, and the future of decentralized blockchain architecture. Topics - The ICF's acquisition of Skip and its rebranding as Interchain Labs. - Vision of multiple sovereign blockchains and ecosystem growth. - Attracting institutional liquidity to the Cosmos Hub. - The role of the Cosmos Hub in uniting the ecosystem. - Reorganizing development for efficiency and innovation. - Addressing community feedback and restructuring governance. - Leveraging the Hub’s assets for broader ecosystem growth. - Overcoming Cosmos branding challenges and embracing its history. - Building privacy-first solutions unique to Cosmos architecture. - Scaling the ecosystem with liquidity, speed, and alignment. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:56 Community’s Reaction to the Acquisition 06:41 Why the ICF Chose Radical Change 13:10 The Cosmos Vision: A Top-Three Ecosystem 20:01 Unlocking Liquidity for Ecosystem Growth 30:32 Cosmos Hub’s Role in Ecosystem Alignment 38:50 Addressing Cosmos Branding Challenges 46:43 Plans for Conferences and Community Engagement 52:42 ICF and Interchain Labs: Dividing Responsibilities 58:47 Why the Cosmos Community Should Be Bullish Follow Josh Cincinnati, President of the Interchain Foundation Council • Josh Cincinnati on X - https://x.com/acityinohio • Interchain Foundation on X - https://x.com/interchain_io Follow Maghnus Mareneck, Co-founder of Skip (Interchain Labs) • Maghnus Mareneck on X - https://x.com/0xMagmar • Skip Protocol (Interchain Labs) on X - https://x.com/SkipProtocol Follow Sebastien Couture, Host of The Interop on Social Media • Sebastien Couture on X - https://x.com/seb3point0 • The Interop on X - https://x.com/TheInterop

  21. 110

    Building the Shared Computer on Solana with Bless Network

    In this episode, Butian Li and Derek Anderson, co-founders of Bless Network explore the future of decentralized computing. Formerly Blockless, Bless is launching the world's first shared computer, enabling users and developers to contribute compute power seamlessly from the comfort of their own browsers. They also discuss their rebrand, integration with Solana, the innovative browser extension, and the dynamic orchestration of compute resources. Discover how Bless is powering real-time AI, gaming, and beyond while making the decentralized internet accessible to everyone. Topics - The rebrand from Blockless to Bless and its vision - Bless browser extension and decentralized compute - Real-time resource orchestration in the network - Use cases: AI, gaming, and community-powered infrastructure - Bless integration with Solana for payments and orchestration - Future roadmap: Mainnet launch, mobile apps, and templates - The evolving hardware and software dynamics in decentralized systems - Bridging Web3 and traditional applications Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Bless 01:00 From BlockLess to Bless 02:30 Decentralized Shared Computing Explained 05:00 How the Browser Extension Works 09:00 Node Matching for Optimal Workload 17:00 Why Solana for Payments and Onboarding 21:00 Use Cases in AI and Gaming 29:00 The Shift from GPUs to CPUs in AI 38:00 The Bless SDK and Developer Experience 41:00 Mainnet Launch and Roadmap for 2025 Follow Butian Li and Derek Anderson of Bless Network on Social Media • Butian Li on X - https://x.com/blessbutian • Derek Anderson on X - https://x.com/dmikeyanderson • Bless on X - https://x.com/theblessnetwork Follow Sebastien Couture, Host of The Interop on Social Media • Sebastien Couture on X - https://x.com/seb3point0 • The Interop on X - https://x.com/TheInterop Explore 'The Interop' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ohpd7RttERAZqb2iWKNOA/playlists/playlists Listen to 'The Interop' on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/58QAYwzVjCLrWR8E4tWbgm

  22. 109

    Building The Future of Proof: Ismael & Bo

    The Future of Proof with Polymer and Lagrange! Discover how the Internet of Verifiability is transforming trust, how ZK TLS enables privacy-preserving apps, and what it means to bridge Ethereum's finality barrier. Ismael and Bo explore the challenges of cross-chain apps, the role of digital identity, and why scaling solutions are critical for blockchain's future. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 02:50 Internet of Verifiability Explained 04:59 The Power of ZK TLS 08:13 The Role of Decentralized Trust 13:19 Digital Identity and Custody Risks 18:04 Breaking Ethereum's Finality Barrier 24:11 Challenges in Cross-Chain Apps 30:18 How Polymer and Lagrange Collaborate 34:47 The First IBC Implementation Follow Ismael Hishon-Rezaizadeh, Founder & CEO at Lagrange Labs • Ismael Hishon-Rezaizadeh on X - https://x.com/Ismael_H_R • Lagrange on X - https://x.com/lagrangedev Bo Du, Co-founder at Polymer Labs • Bo Du on X - https://x.com/brobobo_bo_bobo • Polymer Labs on X - https://x.com/Polymer_Labs Follow Sebastien Couture, Host of The Interop on Social Media • Sebastien Couture on X - https://x.com/seb3point0 • The Interop on X - https://x.com/TheInterop

  23. 108

    Rethinking DeFi: Tokens, Tech, and Regulations with Julien & Lucas

    Julien and Lucas share insights on the push toward regulated decentralised exchanges, the rise of stablecoins by major companies, and the role of global politics, including the impact of Trump’s crypto policies and Europe’s regulatory approach. Truly reflecting on the philosophical balance between decentralisation and pragmatism, questioning what it means for the blockchain ecosystem as it matures and reshapes the financial world. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction and Key Themes 01:31 Stablecoins and Regulation 03:10 Trump’s Crypto Impact on Europe 06:50 The DeFi Renaissance 11:09 Regulation, Clarity, and Innovation 17:14 Are Rollups Solving Anything? 22:30 Tokens vs. Utility in DeFi 26:39 The Convergence of DeFi and TradFi Follow Julien Bouteloup, CEO of Stake Capital on Social Media Julien Bouteloup on X Stake Capital on X Follow Lucas Vogelsang, Co-founder and CEO at Centrifuge on Social Media Lucas Vogelsang on X Centrifuge on X Follow Sebastien Couture & The Interop on our Socials Sebastien Couture The Interop

  24. 107

    How Restaking Could Reshape DeFi and Infrastructure with Mirko & Felix

    Bitcoin staking is here, and the debate is heating up. At the Staking Summit 2024, Mirko from Staking Rewards and Felix from Symbiotic dive into the latest trends: the growing role of restaking, Bitcoin’s proof-of-stake potential, and the institutional capital fueling innovation. They also explore how Ethereum, Cosmos, and Bitcoin are converging in unexpected ways, and why meme coins might still be the crypto industry’s best experiment. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Staking Summit Highlights 02:10 Growth of Staking Summits 04:18 Bitcoin Staking and Proof of Stake 07:45 Ethereum Meets Cosmos, Then Bitcoin 10:21 Restaking's Role in Crypto Infrastructure 14:02 Institutional Capital and Meme Coins 18:06 New Use Cases for Staking 20:20 Symbiotic vs. Eigenlayer: Key Differences 26:26 Meme Coins and Infrastructure Impacts 30:02 Symbiotic Mainnet and Future Plans 31:43 Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Events Follow Mirko Schmiedl, CEO at Staking Rewards on Social Media • Mirko Schmiedl on X - https://x.com/berlincrypto • Staking Rewards on X - https://x.com/StakingRewards Follow Felix Lutsch, Head of ecosystem at Symbiotic on Social Media • Felix Lutsch on X - https://x.com/FelixLts • Symbiotic on X - https://x.com/symbioticfi Follow Sebastien Couture, Host of The Interop on Social Media • Sebastien Couture on X - https://x.com/seb3point0 • The Interop on X - https://x.com/TheInterop Explore 'Devcon 2024' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU0Pw_Qg-ww&list=PLAbjjdO-rjbkWwSZHILY6fCVxqI4uCPFX Explore 'Cosmoverse 2024' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MisEYEis1_s&list=PLAbjjdO-rjbmGnQUm60PPtmXZZ7a8PSOh Explore 'The Interop' playlist: https://www.youtube.com/@TheInterop/playlists Listen to 'The Interop' on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/58QAYwzVjCLrWR8E4tWbgm

  25. 106

    Is Staking Truly Profitable? Robert Koschig and Angela Kreitenweis

    What does it take to make staking profitable? Angela Kreitenweis from Token Engineering Academy and Robert Koschig of 1kx dive into the intricacies of staking mechanisms, tokenomics, and protocol design. From analyzing validator costs to rethinking inflationary rewards, they reveal what works—and what doesn’t—in crypto ecosystems. Tune in for a deep dive into profitability, risk management, and the evolving economics of staking networks. Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.ventures TOPICS 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:27 Angela’s Journey in Tokenomics 03:09 Robert’s Insights from 1kx 05:10 Profitability for Validators vs Delegators 07:30 Staking Mechanism Design Challenges 10:13 The Role of Skin in the Game 13:08 Protocol Standards and Feedback Loops 17:03 Validator Costs and Revenue Analysis 23:37 Inflation, Debt, and Protocol Sustainability 29:12 Final Thoughts and Takeaways GUEST Angela on X - https://x.com/akrtws Robert on X - https://x.com/KoschigRobert SOCIAL MEDIA Sebastien Couture on X : https://x.com/seb3point0 The Interop on X: https://x.com/TheInterop

  26. 105

    Inside Cosmos: Culture, Challenges, and Vision with Robert Kelley

    In this conversation, host Sebastien Couture and guest Robert Kelley dive deep into the ethos and challenges of the Cosmos ecosystem, examining the unique elements that set Cosmos apart from other crypto projects. From the complex vision of sovereign interoperability to the communication hurdles that come with decentralized communities, they discuss how Cosmos stands out as a network of networks. Rob shares his perspective on community-building initiatives like the “Slow Blink Oath,” aiming to foster better communication within Cosmos. Tune in to hear insights on Cosmos’s evolution and why it might be on the path to becoming the “Linux” of crypto.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.venturesTOPICS01:23 Robert’s Background in Cosmos03:25 Organizational Psychology and Cosmos06:10 Ecosystem Challenges and Differences08:02 Cosmos' Unique Position in Tech11:57 Cosmos' Strengths and Obstacles13:13 Market Perception Shifts20:34 Pep Talk for Cosmos Community23:15 Cosmos Branding and Identity27:00 The Slow Blink CommunityGUESTRobert Kelley on XSlowblink on XSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

  27. 104

    Is It Time for Cosmos to Rebrand as Interchain? Sunny Aggarwal

    Sunny Aggarwal sits down with Sebastien Couture to discuss Cosmos’s evolving identity and why it might be time to rebrand the ecosystem as “Interchain.” Together, they explore the challenges Cosmos faces around liquidity, EVM compatibility, and the risks of having too many competing innovations. Sunny also shares insights on Osmosis’s next big moves, including Polaris, the new bridge and DEX aggregator, and ideas on integrating AI within blockchain. From interoperability to community focus, this episode captures the big questions shaping Cosmos and DeFi’s future.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.venturesTOPICS01:30 Cosmos’ Innovation Pitfalls05:15 The Importance of Focus in Blockchain10:00 Challenges with EVM and Cosmos SDK14:30 The Case for Rebranding Cosmos18:08 Polaris: A Game-Changer for DEXs24:45 Improving Cross-Chain Swap UX29:00 Blockchain Meets AI Sovereignty33:00 Future Prospects for CosmosGUESTSSunny on XOsmosis' Website SOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

  28. 103

    Why Cosmos Should Embrace EVM and Bitcoin DeFi with Valentin Pletnev of Quasar

    In this episode, Sebastien Couture and Valentin Pletnev of Quasar discuss Cosmos’s latest trends, challenges, and the increasing need for liquidity across the ecosystem. Valeyo shares insights on how Bitcoin and Ethereum liquidity could transform Cosmos, with projects like Babylon, Noble, and Osmosis leading the way. They explore the possibility of rebranding Cosmos and embracing EVM compatibility to attract new assets and users. Valentin also shares updates on Quasar’s work in creating innovative yield products and the emerging importance of BTC-focused DeFi for Cosmos. This episode dives deep into Cosmos’s path forward and the strategies that could position it as a central player in decentralized finance.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.venturesTOPICS00:00 Intro01:00 The Cosmoverse Vibes02:30 Liquidity Challenges in Cosmos05:50 EVM Expansion08:30 Cosmos to Ethereum Transitioning12:00 Cosmos Ecosystem Perception14:00 Strategies for Attracting Liquidity17:00 Rollups vs App Chains20:00 Unlocking BTC Liquidity for Cosmos24:00 Quasar’s VisionGUESTValentin Pletnev on XQuasar WebsiteSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

  29. 102

    Cosmos & Celestia: Building the Next Generation of DeFi with Drop

    In this episode, Mitya Argunov, co-founder of Drop, explores the transformative potential of liquid staking across DeFi. He discusses Drop’s journey, the challenges of cross-chain liquidity, and why Cosmos and Celestia ecosystems play a critical role in the future of decentralized finance. Mitya shares insights on upcoming token unlocks, the impact of modular chains, and how Drop is creating more utility for staked assets. Join us for a deep dive into the future of cross-chain applications and Cosmos’ next chapter.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.venturesTOPICS00:00 Introduction and TIA's Importance01:46 Drop’s Growth and Testing in DeFi04:58 Celestia's Impact on Multi-Sig Security06:54 Market Impact of TIA Unlock09:00 Cross-Chain Staking Potential12:04 Fragmented Ecosystem Challenges15:28 Cosmos and Celestia Restaking17:45 Utility of Liquid Stake Tokens18:30 Expanding Drop Beyond Cosmos21:28 Community-Driven Approach24:26 Cosmos’ Urgency for Innovation27:25 Enhancing Liquid Staking ExperienceGUESTSMitya Argunov on XSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

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    Why Cosmos Chains Need to Think Bigger with Max Einhorn & Spaydh

    At Cosmoverse 2024, Spaydh from Neutron and Max Einhorn from Valence dive into the future of Cosmos and the race to take crypto innovation mainstream. They discuss their “wartime mode” approach to building products, cross-chain liquidity, and expanding Cosmos’ reach into EVM and non-Cosmos ecosystems. Spaydh and Max envision Cosmos as a tech hub with products people actually want, breaking out of the Cosmos “bubble” to create integrated, user-focused DeFi applications. Tune in for insights on IBC, Cosmos Hub’s evolving role, and why the future of crypto demands bigger thinking.Consider staking with Interop Ventures by clicking the following link - https://interop.venturesTOPICS00:00 Intro03:59 - Resolving issues in Cosmos09:55 - IBC adoption & IBC Eureka13:10 - Bringing liquidity into Cosmos16:58 - Valence's partnership with Neutron27:12 - Running on Cosmos hub security29:32 - Opportunities for the hubGUESTSMax Einhorn on XSpaydh on XSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

  31. 100

    Why Decentralized AI Needs Cosmos: Greg Osuri or Akash Explains

    Sebastien Couture talks with Greg Osuri, founder of Akash, about Cosmos’ resilience, the push for decentralized AI, and the tech breakthroughs happening with Cosmos’ appchain model. Greg shares why Nvidia and other big names are exploring decentralized GPUs on Akash, how Cosmos can support open-source AI to avoid Big Tech control, and why Cosmos is seen as the “cockroach” of crypto—tough, resilient, and essential for the future of blockchain and AI. Tune in to learn how Cosmos tech is disrupting both AI and cloud computing.GUESTSGreg Osuri on XSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe InteropConsider staking with Interop Ventures

  32. 99

    Why Meme Coins Are Beating DeFi – Farmer’s Take

    Consider staking with Interop Ventures 🥩Sebastien Couture and Farmer, CEO of Defi Dojo Validator,Æ explore the shifting landscape of DeFi, meme coins, and Cosmos. Farmer shares why meme coins have captured the market’s attention, how communities like Defi Dojo evaluate yield farming opportunities, and what’s driving the explosive interest in AI-generated meme coins. Dive into the mechanics of points farming, the market’s “bag bias,” and the evolving role of Cosmos SDK in today’s DeFi scene. Whether you’re a DeFi nerd or just curious about crypto’s latest trends, this episode has it all.TOPICS04:20 - The next big prospect in Defi07:29 - The Appeal of Meme Coins15:20 - Key indicators for Meme Coins21:44 - Doge Coins & other classic Meme Coins25:34 - Bag biasSOCIALSSebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

  33. 98

    Will Cosmos Reach its Full Potential? Cryptocito at Cosmoverse

    Consider staking with Interop VenturesJoin Cryptocito and Sebastien Couture as they dive into the intense planning behind Cosmoverse 2024 and the evolving identity of Cosmos. From the unique challenges of hosting events in Dubai to Cosmos’ growing pains and its brand identity debate, they reveal what it takes to rally the interchain’s true believers. Learn why Cosmos’ ecosystem could be the Linux of crypto, how it's responding to brand challenges, and why events like Cosmoverse are crucial—even if they’re “financial nightmares.”GUESTSCryptocito on XCryptocito on YoutubeSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on X @seb3point0The Interop on X

  34. 97

    Solving the Interchain's Liquidity Problem with Mitya Argunov of Drop

    Mitya Argunov, Co-Founder of Drop, highlights the need for a new liquid staking protocol in the Cosmos ecosystem, emphasizing its integration with DeFi partners to enhance liquidity and use cases. Drop, built on Neutron, allows users to stake ATOM tokens, receive dATOM, and participate in DeFi, with plans to expand to Celestia and integrate with other roll-ups.Consider staking with Interop VenturesTOPICS00:00 Introduction04:12 Drop Launch06:36 Droplets Explained10:43 Native Staking & The Interchain20:04 Another LST?28:23 Beyond the Hub: What’s Next?31:58 Future Assets36:39 Drop vs Milkyway40:35 Celestia Liquid Staking43:15 Liquid Staking Opportunities47:41 Drop Architecture52:43 Exchange Rate Secrets62:15 How to Use Drop TodayGUESTSMitya on XLINKSMitya Argunov of Drop on Future Is Liquid: Launch of DropMitya, Vishal, Josie & Edgar on Liquid Staking: Fractional Reserve Banking for Crypto?SOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

  35. 96

    How Orchestration Makes Web 3 Feel More Like Web 2 w Dean Tribble of Agoric

    I sat down with Dean Tribble CEO of Agoric at Nebular Summit to chat chain abstraction, Agoric's implementation of Chain Orchestration and how these technologies improve applications and user experience in crypto.Consider staking with Interop Ventures TOPICS00:00 Introduction01:17 Chain Orchestration08:01 Interoperability10:23 User Experience & Safety16:54 Crypto Regulations24:24 NFT's25:25 Building with AgoricGUESTSDean on XSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on XThe Interop on X

  36. 95

    Solving Ethereum Rollup Fragmentation with Austin King of Omni Labs

    Join us on this episode as we dive into the future of Ethereum Layer 2 solutions with the CEO of Omni! Omni is revolutionizing the way developers build across different Ethereum Layer 2 solutions by providing a robust messaging layer and compute layer. By solving the fragmentation issue, Omni taps into liquidity from different networks, facilitating seamless cross-chain applications in the Ethereum ecosystem. Its architecture includes a secure messaging layer for roll-up communication and an EVM-based compute layer, ensuring interoperability and collateral management across roll-ups. Secured through restaking, with nodes offering services backed by restaked ETH, Omni's future looks promising. With advancements in AI and natural language programming, the landscape of alternative VMs like Move and Wasm could further evolve, enhancing the Ethereum ecosystem's capabilities. Join us in exploring Omni's innovative solutions for Ethereum Layer 2!Consider staking with Interop VenturesTIMESTAMPS00:00 - Introduction11:12 - Blockchain Social-Fi Apps and Their Relevance16:05 - Ethereum is Confused23:58 - Vision and Architecture of Omni30:57 - Omni as a Roll-Up as a Service Platform35:18 - Enabling Cross-Chain Applications with Omni42:40 - Securing Omni through Restaking52:15 - The Future of Alternative VMs56:19 - The Potential of AIGUESTSAustin on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

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    Programmatic Monetary Policy for Protocols with Max Einhorn of Valence

    Valence enables programmatic economic relationships between protocols. This allows crypto-native institutions (e.g., appchains & DAOs) to engage in complex financial interactions.Valence is live today with two sub-protocols in private beta: The Rebalancer lets protocols set desired portfolio targets and efficiently rebalance over time. Covenants enable crypto-native institutions to lend protocol-owned liquidity (POL).A key innovation is the ability to create POL markets, which is crucial for restaking. Valence ensures AVSs know exactly how much liquidity they will receive, making restaking protocols more attractive and generating new revenue sources.Valence is to liquidity what EigenLayer is to security. Beyond restaking, Valence enhances alignment between ecosystems and drives the future of the decentralized economy.Learn how Valence’s crypto-native institutional debt markets improve cross-ecosystem alignment and drive the future of the DeFi economy.Consider staking with Interop VenturesTOPICS00:00 Introduction 02:06 Building Timewave & Valence 07:37 Valence Endgame 13:05 Bringing Institutional Capital to Crypto16:55 What Valence Enables 22:09 Rebalancer24:53 Covenants31:04 Expressing Intent 38:16 Valence Architecture 41:07 Cosmos Hub Outlook 52:17 Protocol Monetary Policy 58:10 Final ThoughtsLINKSValence ProtocolGUESTSMax on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

  38. 93

    Bitcoin is Making a Comeback with Matt Ye of Lorenzo

    Lorenzo is a Cosmos chain that leverages BTC shared security and enables liquid staking. In this conversation, Seb and Matt discuss the resurgence of interest in Bitcoin, particularly in the context of DeFi. They also explore the concept of liquid staking for Bitcoin and how it differs from liquid staking in proof-of-stake chains. Matt explains the architecture of Lorenzo, a Bitcoin liquid staking protocol built on the Cosmos chain, and how it leverages Babylon. They also touch on the different approaches to Bitcoin L2s and the importance of liquid staking to the success of the Bitcoin L2 ecosystem. Consider staking with Interop Ventures 🥩 TOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:02:01 The Bitcoin Renaissance00:05:13 Technical Improvements Enabling Bitcoin L2s & OP_CAT00:12:51 Different Approaches to Bitcoin L2s00:17:58 Could Bitcoin Become a POS Chain?00:23:00 What is Lorenzo00:28:29 The Dual Token Model & Yield Sources00:30:36 Lorenzo Architecture00:49:14 BTC-Fi00:57:17 Current Status of LorenzoLINKSLorenzo Protocol WebsiteGUESTSMatt on TwitterMatt on LinkedInSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

  39. 92

    Rebooting the Metaverse with Lex Avellino of Passage

    Passage improves virtual experiences and collaboration, making them more organic and immersive and better reflecting the way we interact in real life. For creators, Passage is a platform that enables nearly unlimited creative freedom thanks to its use of the Unreal Engine. This allows creators to build unique experiences for their communities. How does this relate to crypto? The $PASG token is the economic foundation for a new creator economy where community members own their identity and digital assets.Consider staking with Interop Ventures 🥩TOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:17:09 Is the Metaverse Dead?00:22:06 What is Passage00:31:10 How to Use Passage00:35:39 Crypto-Enabled Communities00:41:29 Cosmos SDK Architecture00:44:21 Akash Partnership00:53:59 Passage Elite00:57:38 RoadmapLINKSPassage's WebsiteGUESTSLex on TwitterLex on LinkedInSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

  40. 91

    The Interchain Application Layer with Adair Kelley of Abstract

    Abstract is an Interchain app platform enabling developers to build across CosmWasm-supported chains. Apps built with Abstract get automatic integrations with Interchain DEXes, lending markets, oracles, and liquid staking protocols.The core infrastructure is the Abstract Account, a smart contract wallet extendable with Abstract modules. One exciting use case is mesh applications, where chains form an Interchain DAO to vote on and fund public goods at a supra-chain level.Consider staking with Interop VenturesTOPICS00:00 Introduction02:33 CosmWasm Berlin Hackathon10:14 Evolution of CosmWasm 15:20 What is Abstract 24:21 Security32:06 Abstract-JS 34:36 Integrations36:11 Modulars37:48 IBC Email40:50 Abstract & EVM apps GUESTSAdair on XAbstract on XSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

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    Interwoven Rollups with Stan Liu & Ezaan “Zon” Mangalji of Initia

    Join us in this episode where we discover how Initia's vertically integrated tech stack seamlessly connects their L1s with application-specific L2 chains, enabling efficient inter-chain communication and solving the traditional fragmentation of multichain systems. We also explore the variety of development tools available (EVM, MoveVM & WasmVM), which simplify app deployment and significantly reduce the complexity for developers. Consider staking with Interop VenturesTOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:08:36 Appchains Debate00:14:35 Tackling Fragmentation00:17:31 Building on Initia00:25:05 Inside L2s 00:27:13 Role of Sequencers00:29:26 Scaling Limits00:30:33 L1s Services00:36:13 IBC Implementation00:37:57 Custom Modules00:40:06 OPinit Stack 00:41:59 VMs Integration 00:48:03 RaaS Market Competition00:52:59 Testnet OpportunitiesLINKSInitia's WebsiteGUESTSStan on TwitterZon on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

  42. 89

    MONOLITHIC VS APPCHAINS with Eric Zhang & Brian Breslow of DoraHacks

    Join us in this episode as we explore how DoraHacks advances the hacker movement. Learn about Dora Factory's innovative public good staking and decentralized funding infrastructures. We also discuss Dora Vota's role in enabling fair and private community governance through Anonymous Minimal Anti-Collusion Infrastructure (aMACI). Additionally, we deep dive into the appchain thesis and how projects benefit from running their own sovereign chains over building on monolithic L1s.Consider staking with Interop Ventures TOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:02:22 DoraHacks Overview00:10:51 Appchain Thesis00:20:11 L2s Thesis00:30:00 Cosmos SDK Evolution00:37:34 Solana Appchain Thesis00:45:58 Dora Factory & Dora Vota 00:52:08 MACI & aMACI Voting01:03:21 DoraHacks RoadmapLINKSDoraHacksMinimal Anti-Collusion InfrastructureVota: Special Purpose Blockchain for VotingWhat Will aMACI Unlock? Inevitability of UNIchainGUESTSEric Zhang on Twitter Brian Breslow on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on TwitterThe Interop on Twitter

  43. 88

    The AI portfolio manager with Daniel Machlup of FortyTwo

    Join us as we explore the innovative integration of AI in DeFi with Daniel Machlup from FortyTwo. FortyTwo is building the interface layer for cross-chain DeFi, tackling a critical challenge in the rapidly growing multi-chain ecosystem. The goal is simple, make cross-chain user experience easy for both users and protocols. Tune in to see how AI is reshaping crypto asset management, making it as simple as expressing your intention. Consider staking with Interop VenturesTOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:03:25 Building on Cosmos  00:05:45 Cosmos SDK Advantages00:08:33 Exploring FortyTwo00:16:03 Infrastructure Providers00:17:38 Solver Marketplace00:38:31 Architecture00:39:53 Wallet UX Enhancements00:42:04 Osmosis Smart Accounts00:44:14 Beta Launch OverviewLINKSFortyTwoGUESTSDaniel Machlup on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on TwitterThe Interop on Twitter

  44. 87

    DeFi Risk Modelling & Management with Marijo Radman and Benedikt Eikmanns of Alterscope

    Join us as we delve into the complexities of risk management in decentralized finance (DeFi), where Alterscope pioneers with its risk ZK coprocessor and zero-knowledge proof technology to tackle unique challenges such as liquidity and protocol risks. Uncover how Alterscope's advanced tools not only quantify new kinds of risks but also offer a dynamic platform for effectively modeling and managing them, including a detailed look at the crucial data sets used for assessing oracle risks to ensure DeFi's data reliability.Consider staking with Interop Ventures 🥩 TOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:04:16 Crypto Risk Management00:10:13 Pricing Web3 Risk00:13:22 TradiFi vs DeFi Risk Management00:15:16 Understanding Alterscope00:21:42 Oracle Risks00:27:26 Risk Marketplace Participants00:37:41 Enhancing DeFi Yield Strategies00:40:53 Restaking00:46:08 Staking Providers Risks00:51:06 Impact on Future of DeFi00:55:30 Product RoadmapLINKSAlterscopeGUESTSMarijo on TwitterBenedikt on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

  45. 86

    Decentralized Storage for IBC Chains with Patrick Dunlop & Marston Connell of Jackal

    Discover Jackal Protocol in this episode as we delve into its decentralized storage solution, enhancing blockchain interoperability and real-time data access through its Cosmos Layer 1 platform. Learn how Jackal ensures data reliability with advanced redundancy and frequent verification, supporting a wide array of Web3 applications. Consider staking with Interop VenturesTOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:06:58 Decentralised storage00:13:45 DePIN is a hot topic00:16:06 Jackal - how it works00:25:47 Role of the Cosmos SDK module00:27:09 EVM Contracts00:28:37 Jackal Proof-of-Persistence (JPOP)00:41:13 Most exciting use cases00:46:44 Tokenomics & Economics of Perpetual Storage00:57:51 Interoperability & IBCLINKSJackal Protocol Jackal LabsJackal Proof-of-Persistence (JPOP)​GUESTSPatrick on TwitterMarston on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

  46. 85

    ZK Proof Aggregation with Garvit Goel of Electron Labs

    Electron Labs aggregates zero-knowledge proofs across protocols into a single superproof, which is then verified on Ethereum. Thanks to the use of recursive ZK proofs, this collective approach lowers verification costs to less than 1% of current rates. This is a huge unlock for applications leveraging ZK: Privacy, micro rollups, DA bridges, IBC, and more.TOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:02:56 Cost of ZK proof verification00:07:10 ZK proofs & Rollups00:14:36 ZK light client00:16:52 Superproofs00:22:28 Electron trust assumptions00:24:14 Electron's Architecture00:31:27 Challenges00:34:38 Electron SDK00:44:00 Interoperability and IBC00:48:43 Union & Polymer approach00:52:55 ZK Proof endgame LINKSElectron LabsElectron Labs on TwitterGUESTSGarvit on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIASebastien Couture on TwitterThe Interop on Twitter

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    Securing Cosmos Chains with Celestia DA - Jack Zampolin of Rollchains & Strangelove

    Rollchains introduce new ways to build, maintain and scale Cosmos chains. New and existing Cosmos SDK chains can enable the Rollchains module to post block data to Celestia. Built with POA chains in mind, Rollchains promises to reduce the cost of securing chains while maintaining a high Nakamoto coefficient, potentially transforming the tokenomics of chains that struggle to cover the inflationary cost of maintaining a validator set. TOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:02:46 Blockchain gaming00:05:41 Cosmos design philosophy 00:12:15 Cosmos Alignment00:17:58 Why build a rollchain00:25:37 IBC & interoperability00:30:34 Rollchain Cosmos SDK module00:37:27 Rollchain DA support00:39:12 Roll Apps Vs. Rollchains00:41:41 Working with Ethos00:47:06 Long-term future of Ethereum00:48:58 Thoughts on Movement00:53:18 Polymer and Union00:54:16 Skip: Unsung Heroes of CosmosGUESTSJack on TwitterLINKSRollchainsStrangeloveSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

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    The Future of DAO Governance with Nicolas Biagosch of Q Protocol

    Q protocol is a decentralized governance layer for Web3 that allows developers to build organizational constitutions that are enforced by smart contracts and include off-chain avenues for resolving disputes the code can't deal with. Built as a fully EVM-compatible Layer 1 for maximum security, the protocol is live with a full set of infra and applications supporting the ecosystem. It prevents governance exploits and reduces legal and regulatory risks associated with centralized decision making.TOPICS00:00:00 Introduction00:06:52 Governance by code00:10:44 Practical cases where DAO governance has failed00:19:30 What is Q and how does it make a difference00:22:58 Beyond Code is law00:27:15 The Q Consititution00:34:41 Stakeholders in the Q blockchain00:37:21 The role of the token holders00:40:57 Difference between validators and root nodes00:45:29 Expert panels and their roles00:47:58 Q Token holders' competence to vote00:49:52 The practical steps in this mechanism00:55:25 Do you need to build your DAO on Q00:57:16 Integration with Q00:59:53 Network stakes01:02:38 The worrying US tax system01:05:20 Discussion on decentralised AI01:08:02 DeFi is going nowhere01:12:47 Learn more about QGUESTSNicolas on TwitterLINKSQ WhitepaperSOCIAL MEDIASebastien CoutureThe Interop

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    Cosmos Hub ICS Security Marketplace with Jehan Tremback of Informal Systems

    Informal Systems is a Cosmos contributor that works on the Cosmos Hub, which is the first blockchain in the Interchain. The Cosmos Hub is one of thousands of blockchains that will eventually make up the Cosmos Network. The Hub's primary token is ATOM, but it will support many other tokens in the future. Interchain Security is one of the main services the Cosmos Hub provides. It enables other blockchains to be secured through Proof-of-Stake (PoS) by the ATOM token, which holds one of the largest market capitalizations in the interchain ecosystem.TOPICS00:00:00 - Introduction00:02:20 - 5th anniversary of the hub00:04:13 - Shift in the vision of Cosmos SDK00:07:59 - The role of a Cosmos Hub Lead00:12:44 - Business development and its role under Informal Systems00:19:32 - Shared security on the hub - Interchain Security00:26:19 - The shift in vision00:31:20 - The subset problem00:38:41 - The old way vs the new00:42:15 - The babylon partnership - additional security00:48:20 - How the hub competes in the landscape00:50:21 - Ethos and what they're building00:53:24 - Cosmos Alignment and how it's perceived00:55:46 - The end gameLINKSBabylon Bitcoin SecurityInterchain Security: Partial Set SecurityComos-Ethereum ConvergingAtomic composability - IBCAtom WarsSOCIAL MEDIA (Twitter)Sebastien CoutureThe Interop

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    FAIR TOKEN LAUNCHES with Simon Chadwick of Eclipse

    Eclipse Fi is a revolutionary hub for interchain token launches, bringing the value back into the hands of early communities. Eclipse Mainnet, launching in Q1 2024, is the fastest Ethereum L2, powered by the SVM. With an architecture that combines the best pieces of the modular stack, developers get all the benefits of dedicated throughput with none of the downsides. Eclipse makes it possible to build applications that can coordinate masses of people and scale with any developer’s needs.TOPICS00:00:00 - Introduction00:06:46 - Terra's Collapse00:10:27 - the next cycle of token launches00:20:23 - Centralised vs Decentralised platforms 00:22:49 - Implementing KYC & compliance for projects00:27:15 - The vision for eclipse00:31:32 - Benefits of launching projects on Eclipse00:35:16 - Supported launch mechanisms00:37:47 - Reputation on the user side00:41:07 - CIBIL00:43:11 - How zkKYC works00:47:17 - Liquidity hub00:54:20 - Why Eclipse was built on Neutron00:57:29 - Roadmap for Eclipse FiGUESTSSimon on TwitterSOCIAL MEDIA (Twitter)Sebastien CoutureThe Interop

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