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Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Matt and Shawn dive into the "hot topics" of the week, starting with a provocative thought experiment on the historical context of voting rights. They compare the current climate of racial equality and immigration policy to previous decades, debating the impact of redistricting and detention practices.The conversation shifts to the rising concerns over shoplifting in major cities and the efficacy of new law enforcement strategies. This leads to a deeper philosophical discussion on whether the responsibility for teaching morality lies with the government, public schools, or religious institutions.Later in the episode, the hosts explore the reliability of hypnosis in criminal trials and the moral weight of jury decisions. They also touch on the evolution of BYU sports in the Big 12 era and conclude with a unique look at the ethics of lab-grown salmon versus traditional fishing.KeywordsLatter-day Saint podcast, LDS perspective, Voting Rights Act, BYU Big 12, NIL ethics, criminal justice reform, lab-grown meat ethics, moral education, public school ethics, redistricting.Chapter Headings00:00: Intro: The Voting Rights Act and Historical Equity The hosts discuss listener feedback regarding the 1965 Voting Rights Act and a thought experiment on historical voting disparities.14:00: Who Should Teach Our Children Morality? A debate on the role of public education, sports coaches, and religion in instilling values in the next generation.18:25: Hypnosis in Court: The Ethics of the Judicial System Discussing the case of Charles Don Flores and whether outdated forensic methods should be grounds for overturning convictions.22:50: BYU Sports, NIL, and the Wealth Gap Examining the Church's relationship with high-stakes college athletics and the moral implications of coach salaries26:22 — Coaches and Tennis: Sports as a Moral Ground How athletic mentors can instill "gentlemanly" values and where the coaching system often fails.26:57 — Death Row and Hypnosis: The Charles Don Flores Case An analysis of the unreliability of hypnosis in criminal trials and Penn Jillette’s recent advocacy for a man on death row.29:14 — Holding the System Accountable: Police and Prosecutors Matt proposes a radical accountability system where legal officers face the same penalties as the defendants they wrongly convict.30:35 — The 20-Minute Execution Rule: Jury Accountability A provocative discussion on why juries need to feel the immediate weight of their decisions to ensure justice.35:10 — Skepticism of the Jury System Matt shares his personal experience on a jury to illustrate how easily 12 strangers can be manipulated.37:34 — BYU Sports and the Big 12: Is Success Good for the Church? Analyzing the PR benefits of high-level college athletics and the impact of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) money.45:04 — Goldfish, Ponds, and Stewardship A personal story about saving reception centerpieces leads to a broader question: Can fish feel pain?47:17 — Stem Cell Salmon: The Morality of Lab-Grown Meat An exploration of new FDA-approved lab-grown fish and whether it is more moral than killing live animals.49:13 — LDS Scripture and the Stewardship of Animals Sean cites D&C 89 and Proverbs to outline the religious responsibility humans have toward "beasts of the field."52:25 — Creation from Chaos: Organizing Eternal Elements Sean applies Joseph Smith’s teachings on creation to the modern science of stem cell organization.55:53 — Free Range Ethics and the Chicken Egg Dilemma A closing discussion on the differences between fertilized and unfertilized eggs in our food supply.

Send us Fan MailIn this high-energy episode, Matt, Shawn, and Marc dive into the deep end of American law and cultural shifts. The trio tackles the Supreme Court’s recent pivot on the Voting Rights Act, questioning whether dismantling 60-year-old protections is progress or a step backward into historical patterns.The conversation heats up as they move to the Middle East, debating the $25 billion price tag of the Iranian stalemate and whether the U.S. is chasing ghosts or legitimate security threats. Finally, the guys bring it back to the Book of Mormon, applying the lens of "Secret Combinations" to modern corporate and political power, and reflecting on whether classic stories of manhood—like A River Runs Through It—can still find a home in today’s digital world.Chapter Markers00:00 — The "Big 5-0": Shawn’s birthday and the Pacific Coast lobster debate.03:36 — Mailbag: Does democracy require multiple religions?06:55 — The Voting Rights Act: Racism, representation, and the Supreme Court’s Louisiana ruling.22:50 — The $25 Billion Stalemate: Is it time to pull out of the Iranian conflict?30:18 — Secret Combinations: Corporate corruption and the Trump administration through a Gadianton lens.40:34 — Literature & Modernity: Could A River Runs Through It be published in 2026?46:40 — Disenfranchised Men? Jordan Peterson, Charlie Kirk, and the future of storytelling.Key TakeawaysDemocracy and Respect: A deep dive into how religious liberty and diverse viewpoints are a "no-brainer" for a functioning democratic society.The Ethics of Gerrymandering: A heated debate on whether "racial quotas" in voting districts are a necessary remedy for history or a form of modern segregation.Geopolitics vs. Domestic Needs: Comparing the cost of military intervention in Iran to domestic programs like healthcare and NASA.The "Secret" in Combinations: Analyzing if modern corruption is hidden (secret) or happening in broad daylight (public combinations).Cultural Shifts: Why the "human experience" in literature might be shifting away from traditional masculine narratives toward broader perspectives.Featured in this EpisodeMatt Miles: Professor of Political Science and "River Runs Through It" enthusiast.Shawn Record: The newly 50-year-old skeptic and music lover.Marc: The historian in a closet with a penchant for Bob Ross paintings and Bruce Springsteen.Follow the Lens:Website: latterdaylens.comYouTube: @LatterDayLensListen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts every Wednesday!

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Matt, Shawn, and Levi return to the lens to navigate the intersection of public safety, free speech, and the personal transformation that religion is supposed to provide. The guys dive into the recent controversy at Utah Valley University regarding the cancellation of Sharon McMahon's speech following the death of Charlie Kirk. They also tackle the resurgence of measles in the U.S. and whether governments have a moral obligation to mandate health protocols. Finally, the team discusses Matt’s new book, exploring the vital difference between religious "behaving" and religious "becoming."In this episode, we discuss:The UVU Controversy: Is it hypocritical for free-speech advocates to call for the cancellation of speakers they dislike?Public Health vs. Liberty: As measles cases rise in 31 states, where does the government's moral obligation begin and end?Gender Bias in Sports Journalism: The fallout of the Diana Rossini and Mike Vrabel story.Religious Becoming: Matt explains the "Fourth B" from his new book and why democracy might actually need a variety of religions to thrive.Resources Mentioned:Latter Day Lens Website: latterdaylens.comTake the "Religious Becoming" QuizChapter Timestamps00:00 – Welcome back Levi & Wedding Announcements01:30 – Who is the GOAT? Sam’s Radio Legacy03:40 – YouTube Comments: The Military Draft Debate05:45 – Thought Provoker: The UVU Speaker Controversy10:15 – Nazis on Campus? Defining the Limits of Free Speech15:20 – Shifting the Overton Window22:30 – Measles Outbreak: The Morality of Vaccine Mandates28:10 – The "Cold Sore" Debate: How contagious is too contagious?32:45 – Double Standards: Diana Rossini and Mike Vrabel41:40 – The Big Question: Believing, Belonging, Behaving, & Becoming52:45 – In-Groups, Out-Groups, and the Global Neighbor01:00:10 – Closing RemarksKeywords: LDS Podcast, Latter-day Saints, Charlie Kirk, UVU, Free Speech, Vaccine Mandates, Measles 2026, Political Science, Religious Identity, Overton Window, Critical Race Theory, Sharon McMahon, Journalism Ethics, Christianity and Democracy, Matthew R. Miles

Send us Fan Mail This episode of Latter Day Lens features a heavy-hitting discussion between Matt, Shawn, and Porter. The trio dives into the complexities of the social contract, starting with the ethics of a military draft and the "lukewarm" nature of libertarianism. The conversation shifts to the digital frontier, exploring whether dangerous AI tools like "Claude Mythos" should be regulated like nuclear weapons. Finally, they tackle the historical and future trajectory of marriage doctrine within the context of Latter-day Saint theology. In this episode, we discuss:The Libertarian Dilemma: Is a "hands-off" political approach actually "lukewarm" according to scripture?The Ethics of Compulsion: A deep dive into the morality of a military draft. Does the social contract justify forced service, or does it violate the fundamental principle of agency?AI as a Superweapon: With the rise of tools like Claude Mythos, we ask if AI has reached a level of danger that requires government restriction similar to nuclear proliferation.Line Upon Line: A look at how attitudes toward marriage have shifted—or grown—over the last century and what the next 100 years might hold for Church doctrine.Chapter Markers[00:00] Welcome back, Porter! Semester updates and AI in the classroom.[02:20] Is Libertarianism "Lukewarm"? Responding to a YouTube listener.[08:10] The Automated Draft: Is a military draft ever morally justified?[10:30] Moroni’s Draft vs. Vietnam: Compulsion in the Book of Mormon.[18:45] Standing Armies vs. Citizen Militias: What is the more moral path?[24:50] Claude Mythos & AI Security: Should the government regulate code like nukes?[33:00] The Free Market vs. Bad Actors: Can the invisible hand stop a hack?[41:15] Rhetoric and Negotiation: Trump, the Pope, and the morality of threats.[44:20] The Artemis Mission: Why the space program represents the best of humanity.[47:45] The Evolution of Marriage: Analyzing 19th-century temple sealings and future doctrine.[56:30] Line Upon Line: Is our understanding of marriage complete or still growing?KeywordsLatter Day Lens, Social Contract, Military Draft, Selective Service, Libertarianism, AI Ethics, Claude Mythos, Anthropic, Captain Moroni, Agency vs Compulsion, Artemis 2, Marriage Doctrine, Polygamy History, D&C 132, Latter-day Saint Podcast.

Send us Fan MailIn this post-General Conference episode, Matt, Shawn, and Melanie tackle the intersection of faith and friction in modern America. The team starts with a listener's defense of FDR before diving into a high-stakes comparison of religious expression in professional sports. They also dissect the legal arguments surrounding President Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship and the 14th Amendment. Finally, the hosts explore recent data showing a historic shift of Latter-day Saints toward the Democratic Party and share their personal takeaways from the April 2026 General Conference.In this episode, we discuss:The FDR Debate: Is Japanese internment a "straw man" argument or a defining moral failure?Faith on the Court: Comparing the public reception of BYU’s Delaney Gibb and the NBA’s Jaden Ivey.Birthright Citizenship: Analyzing the 14th Amendment and the legal consistency of excluding certain immigrant groups.The "Trump Effect": Why LDS voters are moving toward the Democratic Party faster than any other group.Peace and Revelation: Personal reflections on the messages from President Nelson and President Oaks.Chapter Markers00:00 – Introduction and General Conference Recap01:50 – Listener Feedback: Defending FDR and Historical Context04:00 – Religion in Sports: Delaney Gibb vs. Jaden Ivey10:30 – Style vs. Substance: Is Expression Conduct Detrimental?14:15 – The 14th Amendment: Birthright Citizenship and Legal Consistency21:20 – Native American Sovereignty and the Jurisdiction Clause26:45 – The Shift: Why LDS Voters are Leaving the GOP31:10 – Is MAGA Inconsistent with Church Morality?35:45 – The Generation Gap: Diversity and Political Sophistication45:40 – General Conference Takeaways: Charity, Peace, and Personal Revelation52:10 – Closing Thoughts: Changing Society through Individual ChangeKeywordsLatter-day Saints, LDS Politics, General Conference 2026, Birthright Citizenship, 14th Amendment, MAGA and Religion, BYU Basketball, Political Polarization, President Nelson, President Oaks, Civil Discourse.

Send us Fan MailIf only 15 non-citizens were found on a voter roll of 6 million, why is the SAVE Act the biggest debate in Washington? This week, Matt and Shawn are joined by David Brown to dissect the "big numbers" of 2026—from the $56 billion LDS Church reserve fund to the microscopic reality of non-citizen voting.We start with Matt’s 50th birthday milestone: a high-altitude, weightless flight that sparked a profound conversation on why "death is not the final enemy." Matt shares a personal temple experience that reframed his view on the resurrection and our attachment to the mortality of this life.The Thought ProvokerThe Billion-Dollar Consonant: David contextualizes the Ensign Peak filings. Is it a "hoard" or a masterclass in modern stewardship? We look at what $56 billion actually looks like per member.The Voting "Smoke Screen": We merge the data from audits in Idaho, Utah, and Michigan with the 214-year history of Gerrymandering. Are we solving a non-existent fraud problem while ignoring how politicians pick their own voters?Labor and the Hireling: Is it ever moral to force essential workers, like TSA agents, to work without pay during a government shutdown? We debate the "hazard of the job" vs. the biblical condemnation of oppressing the hireling.The Happiness Trap: Why did a French study rank San Francisco as the happiest US city while Salt Lake City vanished? We discuss why "government-led happiness" might be a fundamental misunderstanding of the Latter-day lens.Addendum from David:I may have named dropped Albert Brooks as a happiness researcher, and while he may loosely qualify, I intended to direct the audience to Arthur Brooks. If this feels like a meaningful extension of the April Fools theme, then I’ll take full credit.  Side note — Albert Brooks (the actor, and voice of Nemo’s dad in Finding Nemo) was actually named Albert Einstein at birth. Nobody is going to believe that though, if the SAVE act passes, and he shows up with that paperwork [Keywords for Search] LDS Church Finances, Ensign Peak, Gerrymandering History, SAVE Act 2026, Voter Fraud Audit, TSA Shutdown, San Francisco Happiness Index, BYU History, Faith and Resurrection, Political Science.Chapter Timestamps[00:00] Intro: Flying an Airplane & The Physics of Weightlessness.[02:15] Reframing Death: A Temple Experience and Eternal Perspective.[04:20] Mailbag: Addressing Accusations About Church Spending.[06:20] Ensign Peak Breakdown: What $56 Billion Looks Like Per Member.[08:15] BYU History: The Financial Tensions of Ernest Wilkinson & Dallin H. Oaks.[10:30] TOPIC 1: Gerrymandering & The "Salamander" Map of 1812.[28:01] TOPIC 2: The SAVE Act & The Audit Data (15 out of 6 Million).[46:15] TOPIC 3: Labor Ethics—Forcing TSA Agents to Work Without Pay.[50:15] TOPIC 4: 2026 Happiness Index—Why San Francisco Beat Salt Lake.[56:45] Closing: Why Government Can’t Remove Every Obstacle.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of The Latter-Day Lens, Matt and Shawn dive deep into the tension between calculated risk and eternal perspective. Starting with Matt's recent dive into the safety statistics of private aviation versus winter sports, the conversation quickly shifts from the physical risks of flying to the spiritual and social risks of how we live our lives.They explore the "theology of the afterlife" through the lens of the film Eternity, debating whether heaven is defined by our location or our relationships. The hosts then pivot to a "Thought Provoker" segment on the morality of the modern marketplace—tackling everything from AI bot manipulation and "earned" reviews to the massive scale of the US national debt.Finally, Matt offers a masterclass in political engagement, challenging listeners to stop being "acted upon" by political parties and instead use their agency to shape the parties to match their values.In this episode, we discuss:The Risk Assessment: Why Matt would rather face a plane crash than a torn ACL.Defining Heaven: Is the Celestial Kingdom about where you are, or who you're with?Market Morality: Are bots and paid reviews a form of "bearing false witness"?The Debt Dilemma: Stewardship versus the "magic money" of government spending.Constitutional Crisis: Why the Bill of Rights applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens.Political Agency: How to stop being a "lukewarm" partisan and start leading from within.Chapter Timestamps[00:00] Intro: Matt’s Birthday and the "Dangerous" New Hobby.[01:21] Injuries vs. Death: Choosing Flying over Skiing.[02:40] The "Famous People Who Died in Small Planes" List.[04:35] Movie Review: Why Matt Hated Eternity (and the Premise of Heaven).[08:50] The "President Nelson/Oaks Dilemma": Eternal Marriage and Choice.[13:00] Weird Movie Recommendations: Doubt, Project Hail Mary, and Joe Versus the Volcano.[14:35] The Ethics of Bots: Cultural Manipulation and Market Deception.[16:30] Paid Reviews: Good Marketing or Immoral Lying?[27:15] Macroeconomics 101: The $38 Trillion National Debt.[35:35] Stewardship: Is the US Government a "Bad Steward"?[38:40] Immigration and the Constitution: Protecting Rights for All.[51:00] The Moral Agency of Politics: Why No Party Fully Represents the Church.[54:00] Closing: How to Take Over a Political Party.KeywordsLDS Podcast, The Latter-Day Lens, Political Science, Private Pilot Safety, Eternal Marriage, US National Debt, Stewardship, Constitutional Rights, Immigration Enforcement, Political Agency, Marketing Ethics, AI Bots, Christian Morality.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of the Latter Day Lens, Matt, Shawn, and guest Levi Barnes dive into the complex intersections of modern headlines and eternal principles. The conversation starts light with Matt’s upcoming 50th birthday plans—including a discovery flight—and Levi’s bruised attempts at snowboarding.The team then tackles the serious stuff: the shift of major media platforms toward the right and whether a "middle ground" actually exists in politics. They debate Senator Bernie Sanders’ proposed 5% wealth tax on billionaires and whether it aligns with the Christian duty to care for the poor. The discussion takes a somber turn as they examine the tragic consequences of international conflict in Iran and Venezuela, questioning the cycle of justice versus the higher law of mercy. Finally, they wrap up with a fascinating "Big Question" about the law of usury in Deuteronomy: Is it morally wrong to charge interest to your "brothers"?Timestamps00:00 – Welcome back Levi: Snowboarding vs. Skiing.00:54 – Matt turns 50: Flying planes and private pilot dreams.05:11 – Media Ownership: Are billionaires moving legacy platforms to the right for profit or politics?06:40 – Defining the "Middle": Is centrism a virtue or just being "lukewarm"?16:05 – The 5% Wealth Tax: Bernie Sanders, Robin Hood, and the ethics of funding healthcare.28:40 – Conflict and Consequences: Retaliation in Iran and the "Latter Day Lens" on mercy over justice.40:15 – The Big Question: Usury in Deuteronomy. Should members of the church charge each other interest?54:20 – The Higher Law: From debt equity to ownership and the "Marxist" connection.KeywordsLatter-day Saints, Politics, Wealth Tax, Bernie Sanders, Usury, Biblical Law, International Relations, Private Pilot, Middle Ground, Christian Ethics, Humanitarian Aid, Economic Justice, Personal Finance.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Matt, Shawn, and Porter tackle a series of high-stakes headlines and "The Big Question" regarding the future of traditional norms. Chapter Headings0:00 – Introduction and Audio QualityMatt discusses the recent technical fixes to the podcast audio and the importance of listener feedback.10:04 – The Epstein Files and Iran Bombing TimingA discussion on the DOJ's missing files and Republican Representative Thomas Massie’s comments on military timing.The DOJ's release of missing Epstein files and the geopolitical justifications for the strikes in Iran.25:56 – Daryl Hannah and the Morality of Fictionalized HistoryDiscussing Daryl Hannah’s guest essay criticizing her portrayal in Love Story and the ethics of "bearing false witness" in media.36:10 – The Texas Senate Primary and Trump's Influence Analyzing the runoff between John Cornyn and Ken Paxton and the nature of political party power. The implications of Trump's demands for unendorsed candidates to drop out.46:30 – The Big Question: Theology and Traditional Gender NormsUnpacking the KCL global study on Gen Z attitudes and exploring the doctrinal shift toward equal partnership.Keywordsmormon podcasts, faith-based podcast, religious podcast, christianity podcast, christian podcast, secret lives mormon wives podcast, Epstein files, Trump allegations, Iran bombing, Daryl Hannah, Texas Senate primary, Gen Z gender roles, theology and equality, Latter-day Lens.Epstein Files and Trump Google Trends This video analyzes the surge in public interest regarding the connection between the Epstein files and Donald Trump, providing visual context for the search trends mentioned in the episode.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode Matt, Shawn, and Marc dive into the intersection of identity, executive power, and the economic ripple effects of modern trade policy. From the evolving landscape of LGBTQ identification in America to the unprecedented legal maneuvers of the executive branch, the hosts unpack how these shifts align with—or challenge—Latter-day Saint perspectives.Chapter Headings & Show Notes00:00 | Mailbag: Wu-Tang, IP Protection, and C.R.E.A.M.The hosts discuss a listener's take on how the lyrics to "C.R.E.A.M." serve as a metaphor for Intellectual Property protection.08:43 | Same-Sex Marriage and the Social Construction of IdentityA discussion on the doubling of LGBTQ identification since the legalization of same-sex marriage and the role of government in promoting social identities.12:08 | Executive Immunity: Can a President Sue His Own Government?An analysis of Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982) and the implications of a sitting president suing his own administration.16:16 | The Tariff Debate: Trade Strategy or Working-Class Sales Tax?Matt and Shawn clash over whether new 10% global tariffs are a negotiation tool or a regressive tax on the working class.Evidence for Matt's Claim: According to a 2026 U.S. Joint Economic Committee (JEC) report, recent tariff policies have added an estimated $1,745 annual burden to the average American household.21:44 | The Big Question: Is Christian Nationalism Consistent with the Gospel?Defining Christian Nationalism and weighing its rise in LDS-heavy states against the 11th Article of Faith.KeywordsIdentity & Religion: LDS LGBTQ perspectives, Child of God identity, religious liberty, Christian Nationalism vs. LDS doctrine, 11th Article of Faith.Politics & Law: Presidential absolute immunity, Nixon v. Fitzgerald case, sitting President suing the government, executive power and the IRS.Economics: Trump global tariff impact, regressive sales tax debate, middle-class tax burden 2026, trade policy negotiation, US Joint Economic Committee tariff report.General: The Latter-day Lens podcast, faith-promoting scripted discussion, current events from a Mormon lens.

Send us Fan MailThis week, host Matt Miles is joined by co-host Shawn Record and Levi Barnes. The trio dives into the deep end of politics, property rights, and the complicated nature of modern prophecy. The episode kicks off with a celebration of Matt’s newest book, The Metrics of Faith, and a lighthearted (but debated) look at whether Donald Trump accidentally confirmed the existence of aliens on Air Force One.Users are currently wagering over $29 million on whether the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur by the end of 2026. Shawn suggests that prediction markets might be more accurate than traditional polling, though he remains skeptical of the timeline. Matt and Shawn weigh in on whether they’d be willing to put money on such a prophecy.The Thought ProvokerMartin Shkreli and the Wu-Tang Album: Using the legal battle over the world's rarest album, the team explores the distinction between physical ownership and copyright. Are intellectual property rights the kind of property God expects governments to protect?AI and the Ownership of Knowledge: Following Matthew Call’s insights, we discuss the "knowledge harvest"—the process where enterprise AI systems record how employees think and solve problems. Does the restored gospel offer a perspective on who truly owns the knowledge we create?Inheritance in Numbers: Turning to Numbers 27:7–11, we examine the ancient laws of inheritance given to Moses. Do these verses suggest a divine favor for passing down wealth, and does that make certain taxes or government seizures immoral?The Big Question: Gaza and Article of Faith 10The conversation takes a deep and difficult turn into the book of Numbers (chapters 31 and 33) and the 10th Article of Faith. As we look at the destruction and displacement in ancient Canaan alongside the modern conflict in Gaza, we ask: Was God supportive of such destruction? The hosts grapple with the violence in Gaza through the lens of the Old Testament and Latter-day prophecy. They explore whether the current conflict is a literal fulfillment of the 10th Article of Faith and the gathering of Israel, or if the spiritual gathering into "Stakes of Zion" is the true focusEpisode Chapters00:00 | Intro: The Metrics of Faith and Trump’s Alien "Confirmation"02:15 | Mailbag: The $20 Million Bet on the Second Coming07:40 | The Thought Provoker: Shkreli, Wu-Tang, and the Nature of Property25:30 | The Thought Provoker: AI and the "Harvesting" of Human Knowledge40:15 | The Thought Provoker: Numbers 27 and the "Gross" Ethics of Inheritance48:00 | The Big Question: Is the Gaza Conflict a Fulfillment of Prophecy?01:01:00 | Closing: Safety, Welcome, and the Last Word

Send us Fan MailThe Latter-Day Lens team is back for a wide-ranging discussion that moves from joyful personal milestones to the complexities of modern justice and church leadership. Host Matt and co-host Shawn are joined by Melanie to celebrate her recent engagement before diving into the "Thought Provoker" on the controversial release of the Epstein files. They also tackle the "marijuana problem" and how to navigate the Word of Wisdom when science and personal revelation intersect. Finally, the group addresses the calling of Elder Clark G. Gilbert to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, offering a deeply personal look at the man behind the mantle and the spiritual process of sustaining leaders.Chapters00:01 - The "Brah" Engagement & Generation Labels03:40 - Mailbag: Is Healthcare a Natural Right?10:47 - The Epstein Files: Mistake or Justice?The "Thought Provoker" begins with the fallout from the release of the Epstein files. Matt expresses deep concern over the accidental release of 43 victims' names and the lack of new criminal implications. Shawn and Melanie push back, debating the necessity of pursuing justice against "secret combinations" and the reality of corruption within government systems.19:22 - The Marijuana Problem & Word of Wisdom RevelationFollowing a New York Times pivot on marijuana legalization and new studies on the benefits of coffee and tea, the team discusses how to apply the Word of Wisdom in 2026, while the group explores the difference between enduring doctrine and temporary commandments.36:02 - The New Apostle: Sustaining Elder Clark G. GilbertThe conversation turns to the viral and "controversial" calling of Elder Clark G. Gilbert to the Quorum of the Twelve. Matt shares personal stories from their time working together at BYU-Idaho. The team discusses the spiritual necessity of seeking a personal witness for leaders, regardless of political leanings or demographics.52:07 - The Big Question: Perfection vs. Civic DutyThe episode concludes with a deep dive into Elder Quentin L. Cook’s 2025 conference address. They balance the Savior’s focus on the "perfection of the Saints" with President Oaks' call to be "knowledgeable citizens." Melanie leaves the group with a final thought on the intersection of infrastructure, social justice, and missionary work.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of the Latter Day Lens, Matt, Shawn, and Porter dive into the complex intersection of faith, politics, and technology. The team debates whether healthcare should be considered a God-given right or a government service, explores the spiritual risks of judges using AI for judicial opinions, and analyzes the massive shifts in traditional journalism at CBS News. Finally, they tackle "The Big Question": If Christ is the Great Connector, how should that influence our behavior in a polarized political world?Instead of listener comments, we’re featuring the latest projects from our hosts. Check them out and show your support!Graham Mitchell: Follow the life of a city manager on TikTok at citymanagerguy.Shawn: Listen to incredible accounts of faith on the Mission Stories Podcast.Matt: Catch Matt and his sister discussing church-related news on This Week in Latter Days.The Thought ProvokerHealthcare as a Right: The US Constitution doesn't explicitly list healthcare, yet many Americans believe the government is obligated to provide it. Does the "right to life" imply an inherent right to medical care? The group debates "positive" vs. "negative" rights and what the scriptures say about caring for the sick and afflicted.AI in the Courtroom: Judges are increasingly using AI to clear case backlogs and draft opinions. While efficient, does this skip the "study it out in your mind" phase of revelation? We discuss whether relying on algorithms hinders a judge's ability to seek wisdom from the Lord.The Future of CBS News: With Bari Weiss leading a "digital-first" strategy, CBS is hiring influencers to reach younger audiences. Right now, CBS News is stuck in third place in viewership, and it skews older, so I can see why they want to make changes. Is this a savvy market move or the death of investigative journalism? We debate if the "marketplace of ideas" rewards truth or just clickbait.The Big Question"If the Savior is the great connector, then the adversary is the separator." Elder Jeremy R. Jaggi recently taught that Satan seeks to separate us from sacred places and each other. We explore: Does this principle apply to politics? Is "contending" for truth always divisive, or can it be done in a way that unifies? How to model Christ-like behavior when engaging with those who hold vastly different political views.Chapters00:00 Welcome Back and Political Landscape01:50  Host Highlights05:31 Rights and Healthcare Debate16:52 AI in the Judicial System23:25 AI in the Courtroom: Efficiency vs. Judicial Wisdom 33:20 Media Shakeup: Can Bari Weiss Save CBS News? 46:05 The Big Question: Is Christ the Great Connector? 

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of The Latter Day Lens, hosts Matt, Shawn, and Graham engage in a thought-provoking discussion about societal challenges, the willingness to tackle hard issues, and the implications of modern beliefs on end times. They explore the significance of the Doomsday Clock, the complexities of gun rights versus property rights, and the Right to Repair movement as a response to market failures. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding motivations behind social media content and the role of good governance in addressing community needs.Topic 1: 85 Seconds to MidnightThe Doomsday Clock now sits at its closest point to midnight in history. We examine the lack of progress in managing nuclear risk, climate change, and the rise of disruptive AI.The Question: Is humanity closer to self-destruction today than at any point in the last 80 years?Topic 2: End-Times Anxiety & ResponsibilityFollowing the arrest of Elleshia Anne Seymour in Croatia—who fled Utah with her children due to fringe "apocalypse" beliefs—we discuss the impact of radical rhetoric within the LDS community.The Question: Is it irresponsible for church members to amplify "end-times" concerns through books and social media?Topic 3: Guns and Private Property (Wolford v. Lopez)The Supreme Court is weighing Hawaii’s law requiring gun owners to get explicit permission before entering private property. We debate the intersection of the Second Amendment and property rights.The Question: Should "no shirt, no shoes" legally extend to "no firearms" by default?The Big Question: The Right to RepairRepresentative Marie Gluesenkamp Perez is pushing for laws that force manufacturers to make products easier to fix. We look at the move away from a "disposable" economy.The Question: Is the "unfixable" nature of modern tech a market failure, and does the government have the moral authority to force a design change?Chapters00:00 The Will to Do Hard Things05:59 The Doomsday Clock and Global Catastrophe15:28 End Times Beliefs and Social Media Responsibility21:11 Gun Rights and Property Ownership22:11 The Libertarian Perspective on Freedom23:39 Discrimination and Property Rights25:47 Legal Rights and Gun Ownership28:26 Political Discrimination and Hiring Practices31:32 The Right to Repair and Market Failures38:27 Public Service and Community Engagement

Send us Fan MailThe team opens with a "mailbag" segment addressing listener feedback regarding tax fairness and the need for a truly conservative/MAGA voice on the panel. The discussion then moves to a "report card" for President Trump’s first year of his second term, covering everything from the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) to mass deportations and tariffs. The debate gets particularly sharp over the legal classification of undocumented immigrants and the validity of political polling. Finally, the hosts pivot to a metaphysical discussion on near-death experiences (NDEs) and whether they offer proof of the afterlife or are simply biological functions of the brain.Key Discussion PointsTaxing Wealth vs. Income: A listener challenge on whether it is "fair" for inherited wealth to go untaxed.The "MAGA" Perspective: Marc steps in to represent the MAGA viewpoint in response to listener requests for more diverse political representation.Trump’s First Year Review: An analysis of nine key actions, including federal workforce cuts, executive orders, and shifting global trade.The Immigration Debate: A deep dive into whether overstaying a visa is a "crime" or a civil violation, and the motivations behind current deportation policies.Trump's historically low approval ratings: Should he care?Tariffs & The Economy: Analyzing the $100 billion reduction in the federal deficit versus the potential isolation of the U.S. market.Near-Death Experiences: A faith-based vs. biological look at the "Grayson Scale" and what happens to the spirit during a medical crisis.Chapter Markers00:00 – Welcome back, Marc! (The "War in Heaven" Veteran). 01:15 – Mailbag: Fair share taxes and the inheritance debate. 02:15 – Addressing the "Lacking MAGA Voice" critique. 06:35 – Trump’s Second Term: The One-Year Report Card. 10:15 – The Jan 6th Pardons and Judicial Integrity. 13:30 – Heated Debate: Is overstaying a visa a crime?22:10 – Presidential Approval Ratings: Are polls accurate in 2026? 30:10 – Tariffs: National sales tax or economic masterstroke? 43:00 – The Big Question: International Association for Near-Death Studies. 46:00 – Miracles vs. Biology: What happens when we die? 50:35 – Closing thoughts and "Too much MAGA?"Keywords: Latter-day Saints, Mormon politics, Spirit World, Near-death experiences (NDE), Latter-day Lens, Faith and politics, Lorenzo Snow (referenced in the episode), Book of Mormon values, Trump Second Term 2026, Tariff economic impact, Mass deportations 2026, DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency), Presidential approval ratings, Federal deficit reduction, MAGA movement

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Matt and Shawn welcome Levi back to the podcast to tackle a range of heavy-hitting topics—from the stability of the American empire to the surprising resurgence of labor unions. The team dives deep into an op-ed by Leon Panetta, debates whether the two-party system is beyond repair, and explores a "Latter-day Lens" on political philosophies. They wrap up with a spirited discussion on whether Jesus would endorse classical liberalism, social liberalism, or liberal socialism. 00:00 – Welcome back, Levi! (And Sean’s bizarre mission president dreams).00:46 – The "Alien" Mailbag: Why does no one want to talk about UFOs?03:29 – National Renewal vs. Steady Decline The team analyzes Leon Panetta’s Wall Street Journal op-ed. Is the U.S. truly at a "critical turning point," or is our current gridlock just a reflection of a divided electorate?The Optimist View: The states are still functioning, and history shows America solves problems when they become crises.The Realist View: Extreme polarization is making it nearly impossible to address long-term issues like the national debt and Social Security.15:01- The Third Party Myth? The guys discuss the "Bull Moose" and Ross Perot legacies.Why third parties rarely win (and why the Republican Party’s origins as a third party led straight to the Civil War).The impact of Ranked Choice Voting (RCV) as seen in Alaska and its potential to empower moderate voices.27:15 –Labor Unions: Principle vs. Practice A look at why unions are popular in polls but struggling in membership.The "indirect benefits" of unions: How they set the standard for wages and benefits even for non-union employees.The historical correlation between the decline of unions and the widening wealth gap.43:53 –The Latter-day Lens on Political Philosophy Matt poses a challenging question: If Jesus were here today, which "Liberalism" would He endorse?Social Liberalism: Using government as a safety net to ensure true agency.Classical Liberalism: Protecting property rights and limiting state power.Liberal Socialism: The idea that material necessity is a barrier to true spiritual and civil freedom.Keywords Latter Day Lens Podcast, LDS Political Discussion, Leon Panetta Op-Ed, Liberal Socialism vs. Classical Liberalism, Ranked Choice Voting, Labor Unions 2026, Christian Political Philosophy, Is America a failed state?, Two-party system gridlock, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Politics, President Oaks on Liberalism and Conservatism, Political agency and the Gospel. 

Send us Fan MailThis week, Matt, Melanie, and Shawn bridge the gap between church callings and cosmic mysteries. From the newly announced 2026 mission presidents to the controversial "disclosure" of extraterrestrial life, the team explores where faith meets the modern world.Chapters00:00 – Introduction & The "Order 67" Removal The hosts catch up and discuss the recent news that In-N-Out is getting rid of "Order 67" due to disruptive behavior from younger customers.01:03 – The "Celebrity" Mission President List The Church has released the 2026 mission leadership assignments. Matt uses Gemini to highlight "noteworthy" calls including BYU legend Robbie Bosco, former Relief Society and Young Women leaders, and high-level CEOs from companies like Priceline and Beachbody.11:42 – Bypassing Boundaries: AI and the Grok Controversy A serious look at the dark side of AI: reports of users using Elon Musk’s "Grok" to generate non-consensual sexualized imagery. The group debates platform accountability and the legal protections (or lack thereof) for victims of digital defamation.23:23 – Romney’s Revenue: Saving Social Security Mitt Romney has proposed closing tax loopholes for the ultra-wealthy to prevent a Social Security benefits shortfall by 2034. Shawn champions the principle of self-reliance, while Matt and Melanie look at the proposal through the lens of scriptural warnings about the concentration of wealth.35:23 – The Big Question: Have Aliens Visited Earth? Inspired by the film The Age of Disclosure, Matt goes all-in on his "Roswell theory." The group dives into Moses 1:33 and the doctrine of "worlds without number," debating whether human ingenuity has discovered secrets God intended to keep hidden.Key TakeawaysService vs. Status: Whether you are an iconic quarterback or a Primary teacher for the "Valiant 10s," the value of a calling is found in the service, not the title.Accountability in the Digital Age: While free speech is a core value, protecting individuals from AI-driven harm and the violation of bodily privacy is a modern moral imperative.The Infinite Creation: LDS theology explicitly teaches the existence of other inhabited worlds; the debate is whether those inhabitants have ever dropped by for a visit.Next Step for Listeners: Do you believe high-profile callings are a sign of "merit" or just a logistical reality? 

Send us Fan MailEpisode OverviewIn this milestone 150th episode, Matt and Shawn reunite after a holiday break in San Diego to ring in the New Year. The discussion traverses personal mission memories of Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, the controversial geopolitical shift in Venezuela, the value of national monuments versus social programs, and a deep dive into what truly motivates civic leadership in rural America.1. Memories of a Modern ApostleMatt and Shawn reflect on the life and impact of President Jeffrey R. Holland.2. The Thought ProvokerVenezuela & Executive Power: The hosts debate President Trump’s recent actions in Venezuela. Matt argues that bypassing Congress violates Article I of the Constitution, while Shawn explores the "spin" of the administration regarding criminal warrants and oil interests.3. Monuments vs. Mandates: Is $54 million better spent fixing D.C. fountains or funding local clinics?Link to information about Stone Mountain4. The Big Question: What Drives Civic Leadership?Inspired by a recent Gallup study on rural communities, the hosts discuss why people step into public service.The Role of Religion: Matt argues that religion provides both the motivation (to be our brother’s keeper) and the skills (organizing, public speaking, leadership) necessary for service.Self-Interest vs. Altruism: Shawn challenges the idea of "pure" public service, citing Ayn Rand’s theory of self-interest.The Solution: A paradigm shift back to the "Founders' Model"—building a successful career first, then dedicating later years to serving the community without a need for financial gain.Chapters00:00 | Welcome Back & New Year in San Diego Matt and Shawn celebrate the 150th episode and the start of January 2026. They share stories from their holiday hiatus, including an "arm wrestling" match, a visit to the USS Midway, and a debate over Russian beet salad.04:41 | The Mailbag: Revelation & The Constitution A listener asks if the U.S. Constitution can be both divinely inspired and in need of updates. Matt discusses the Constitution as an "aspirational" document, drawing parallels to the ongoing Restoration of the Gospel.09:04 | Remembering President Jeffrey R. Holland Shawn and Matt reflect on their personal encounters with Elder Holland during their missions in Ukraine. Shawn recounts a story of a miraculous healing and the powerful "stretcher" talk given in the MTC.14:26 | Venezuela & Foreign Policy Lies The hosts dive into the recent regime change in Venezuela. They debate the constitutionality of the move and discuss the tension between "America First" rhetoric and international intervention.21:30 | The Midterm Prediction Matt offers a bold political forecast: why he believes Congress will target Trump’s inner circle with impeachments rather than the President himself.27:14 | Monuments vs. Social Programs A discussion on the $54 million National Park Service project to repair D.C. fountains. Shawn argues against government spending on aesthetics, while Matt defends monuments as a "Title of Liberty" for the nation.39:53 | The Big Question: What Drives Civic Leadership? Drawing from a Gallup study, the hosts explore what motivates people in rural communities to run for office.51:11 | Professional Politicians vs. Public Servants Matt makes a case for the "Founders' Model" of public service—individuals who serve after established careers—while Shawn remains skepti

Send us Fan MailAnnouncementsNo new episodes through December 2025—Episode 150 drops January 2026. Apple Podcasts and Amazon Music feeds are experiencing technical issues. Follow Matt on Instagram during the break.TopicsYoung Men's Advisory Board: The newly announced Young Men's Advisory Board is notable because five of its fourteen volunteer advisors are public influencers, signaling a potential shift toward valuing digital communication expertise in Church leadership.Federalism in Church Governance: A Catholic parish in Dedham, Massachusetts, is defying the Archdiocese of Boston by maintaining an anti-ICE nativity scene. If a ward defied an Area Presidency this way, would Shawn's love of local government control apply to church governance?Kratom Deaths in Idaho: Bonneville County has investigated six kratom-related deaths in 18 months. The FDA prohibits kratom, but Idaho law allows its sale. Is this federalism gone bad?The Big Question: The Economist ranked the top economies in 2025—and the results defy simple "socialist vs. capitalist" explanations. Since ideology doesn't explain outcomes, is it morally appropriate to use labels like capitalist, socialist, or Marxist at all?Chapters00:00 Podcast Updates and Technical Glitches02:51 The Role of Social Media in Content Creation05:38 The Influence of Digital Content Creators in the Church09:36 Local Control vs. Central Authority in the Church17:57 Political Messages and Church Doctrine24:57 Building the Kingdom of God26:58 Federalism and Public Health30:54 The Role of Federalism in Drug Regulation37:33 Economic Ideologies and Their Impact44:26 The Manipulation of Labels in Politics

Send us Fan MailMatt’s got a Christmas tree, a Lenin bust, and a bunch of books and maps in his office. Shawn has buckwheat, stockings, and very strong opinions. In this episode, the Latter Day Lens mailbag explodes and drags us into some uncomfortable but important questions about what Latter-day Saints really worship and trust.We wrestle with:Why so many women say they’d rather raise kids in Europe than in the U.S. (paid maternity leave, food, breastfeeding norms) — and whether “if you don’t like it, move” is a fair response.How laws that aren’t explicitly racist (like gerrymandering) can still leave people of color disadvantaged — and why Matt’s stopped calling policies “racist” even when they obviously hurt minorities.The heartbreaking rise in global child deaths as foreign aid shrinks: are American Saints more fired up about defending the unborn than feeding already-born, already-suffering children abroad?Whether the U.S. healthcare system needs more government… or way less. Matt and Shawn both shock themselves by landing on a radical free-market answer.The christening of the USS Utah nuclear sub and Spencer W. Kimball’s warning against worshipping the “false gods” of military might — is it spiritually sketchy for Saints to cheer for ever-bigger weapons?And finally, “limitarianism”: should government cap personal wealth at €10M in the name of justice… or is that just sanctified envy dressed up as philosophy?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Holiday Cheer02:39 Listener Mailbag and Community Engagement05:48 Cultural Perspectives on Maternity Leave08:38 Food Quality and Health in America11:24 Racial Disparities and Voter Suppression14:11 Foreign Aid and Global Health Concerns17:18 The Role of Government vs. Individual Responsibility in Charity20:03 Healthcare System Breakdown22:55 Conclusion and Final Thoughts26:22 Healthcare Economics: A Clash of Ideologies28:36 The Role of Insurance in Healthcare31:05 Free Market vs. Regulation in Healthcare33:25 The Case for Unregulated Healthcare37:23 The Impact of Regulations on Healthcare Costs41:04 Military Spending and Moral Implications47:56 Limitarianism: A Controversial Proposal53:48 Final Thoughts on Wealth and Value

Send us Fan MailFaith and Exceptionalism (03:21)The US is becoming less religious, but Matt and Shawn debate if this signals secular decline or a unique American shift. Shifting Faith: Matt argues the decline of mainline Protestantism is due to its alignment with politics. He notes the growth of the Latter-day Saint Church and other faiths as people seek "pure religion," suggesting an "American exceptionalism" where religious freedom fosters a marketplace of faith. Awakening: Shawn challenges this, longing for the widespread "Great Awakening" revivals of the past, though Matt highlights current growth within the Church as a type of revival.The Morality of Political Power Plays (15:07)The hosts discuss Congressman Jesús "Chuy" García's maneuver to secure his staffer, Patty García, a seat by announcing his retirement after the filing deadline, effectively eliminating a primary election. Noblesse Oblige: Shawn calls the tactic immoral, motivated by arrogance or self-interest, invoking the concept of "Noblesse Oblige"—the privileged acting for the "less blessed." Kingmaker: Matt agrees the move is unethical but admits he'd be tempted by the "kingmaker" role, reflecting a common distrust in voters' judgment among the political elite.Distrust and Discontent (25:39)A Gallup poll shows extreme dissatisfaction with US democracy, especially among women aged 18 to 44, 40% of whom would move abroad—a fourfold increase since 2014.The Problem: Matt argues this level of distrust risks undermining the divinely inspired US Constitution and suggests it is linked to policies from the last decade, such as those impacting women's healthcare access, which disproportionately affect their liberty. The Cause: Shawn believes the discontent is rooted in social media's self-esteem pressures and political "bamboozling," rather than actual legal disparity. Matt counters that a platform addressing this widespread unhappiness is crucial for future politicians.Good, Evil, and Fictional Franchises (38:22)Matt and Shawn analyze shared themes in Stranger Things and Wicked.Becoming Good: Matt links this to the gospel principle of being "born again," arguing that true goodness is a transformation of the heart, not just the sum of one's actions. He uses a convert's powerful baptism story to illustrate the contrast between life's "bitter" cup and the "sweet" love of God. Representation: Matt praises the character Susie from Stranger Things as the best fictional portrayal of a Latter-day Saint in media.Chapters00:00 Friendship and Loyalty in Adversity02:57 The Decline of Religion in America05:45 Awakening and Spiritual Growth08:38 American Exceptionalism and Religious Freedom11:46 Political Morality and Ethics14:34 Dissatisfaction with Democracy17:34 The Nature of Good and Evil in Fiction20:22 Cultural Reflections in Media

Send us Fan MailThe Thought Provoker:First this week. Idaho's government voted to sell 160 acres of state land near the town of Driggs. The land is currently leased to the Beard family, who use it for ranching. A billionaire owns land next to this property and may want to buy it. The Land Board voted 4-1 to move forward with the sale. Is it morally wrong for states to sell public land to the highest bidder?Next up, Marjorie Taylor Greene has announced that she is leaving Congress, what does this mean?Finally, The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) changed its website to say that vaccines might cause autism. Before, the CDC said there is no link between vaccines and autism. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is now the U.S. Health Secretary, and he personally ordered this change. Kennedy has made millions of dollars from his work against vaccines over many years. Many studies with over 5 million people have shown vaccines do not cause autism, but Kennedy says more research is needed. Doctors say this change is dangerous because it may cause parents to stop vaccinating their children. When fewer children get vaccinated, diseases like measles spread more easily. CDC scientists were not asked about this change before it happened. What could RFK Jr. do to persuade people that he is doing the right thing and not just looking out for himself?The Big Question: MK-ULTRA was a secret CIA program that ran from 1953 to 1964. The CIA wanted to learn how to control people's minds and behavior. They tested drugs like LSD on thousands of Americans without telling them. The CIA used 86 universities, hospitals, and prisons to do this work. Many top researchers did not know the CIA was paying for their work. Here is the big question. Democracies require public disclosure of this kind of information so voters can hold elected officials accountable. But, when people find out about this stuff, they lose trust in government. This is one reason why private settlements have non-disclosure agreements. Should governments be allowed to settle cases like this and include non-disclosure agreements? Should they be allowed to keep this kind of information private?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome02:57 Concert Experiences and Personal Growth05:47 AI in the Workplace: Challenges and Perspectives10:37 Public Land Ownership and Government Ethics19:22 Marjorie Taylor Greene: Political Shifts and Implications27:25 The Future of MAGA Without Trump28:22 Balkanization of Political Factions29:43 The Challenge of Political Institutions30:45 Racism and the Republican Party33:11 RFK Jr. and Vaccine Controversies43:44 The Dark History of MKUltra45:26 Government Secrecy and Accountability50:57 The Role of Non-Disclosure Agreements

Send us Fan MailIn this packed episode, Matt and Shawn dive into the latest political and moral challenges facing the nation:The Republican Crisis: The conversation starts by analyzing the troubling election results for the Republican party and the unexpected demographic shifts moving away from Donald Trump. We discuss why Utah and Idaho remain the biggest exceptions to this trend, debating whether it's tied to regional economics or a deeper, post-assassination-attempt loyalty.The Immorality of Debt: Is it wrong for a government to spend money it does not have? We examine the shocking growth of the U.S. federal debt (now approaching $40 trillion) and explore why the prevailing economic theory dismisses this as a problem. This leads to a debate on political cronyism, asking if massive government contracts—like those awarded to Elon Musk and Rick Perry—are wasteful corruption or justified merit.Health, Prejudice, and Policy: The hosts tackle a major ethical question after the U.S. government directed visa officers to use common chronic illnesses (including obesity and diabetes) as a reason for denial. Is this an act of financial prudence or an unacceptable prejudice? We connect this policy directly to the foundational principles of American opportunity and the teachings of President Oaks on rising above bias.Timestamp | Chapter Title00:00 | Introduction and Personal Catch-Up (Weather, Mark, and Shawn's Grievance)02:49 | The Hosts' Dialogue: Matt's Media Appearances and Mission Stories Talk07:38 | Topic 1: The Republican Crisis, Voter Swings, and Trump's Last Holdouts14:38 | Debating Trump Loyalty in Utah and Idaho20:28 | Topic 2: National Debt, Morality, and Economic Theory28:26 | The Crypto Debate: Financial Stability vs. Criminality32:33 | Topic 3: Cronyism vs. Merit (Musk, Perry, and Wasteful Spending)37:39 | The Milton Friedman Debate: Spending Other People's Money42:55 | Topic 4: Health-Based Visa Denials and President Oaks on Prejudice (Includes Conclusion)

Send us Fan MailJoin hosts Matt, Shawn, and Melanie as they dive into complex, interconnected themes of freedom, power dynamics, and the difficult relationship between morality and economics.The conversation starts by challenging the idea that freedom is simply the "power to make choices," drawing on the philosophy of Victor Frankl to discuss the unchangeable freedom of response that exists even in the most oppressive circumstances.The Economics of Immorality: The hosts examine the historical argument that slavery was a foundational economic engine for the US, using this as a moral challenge: How can we avoid turning a blind eye to modern immoral practices when they are economically beneficial?Morality vs. Policy: Does the looming expiration of Obamacare subsidies reveal a moral obligation to care for the sick and poor, or is it purely a political question driven by economics? The discussion sparks debate on whether government-created problems (like rising healthcare costs due to regulation) necessitate government-led solutions.Policing Intentions & Entrapment: A deep dive into the ethics of police sting operations (such as enticing a child over the internet), questioning the morality of punishing intent when no actual harm has occurred, and the effectiveness of focusing on "low-hanging fruit" versus systemic issues like sex trafficking.Debt and Latter-day Saints Culture: The hosts tackle recent data showing that high-Latter-day Saint-population states like Idaho and Utah have the highest debt-to-income ratios in the US.Is President Gordon B. Hinckley's 1998 counsel to avoid debt and "live modestly" outdated in today's housing and economic climate?Shawn and Melanie debate the role of the housing market, a culture of "keeping up with the Joneses," and generational spending habits (Millennials/Gen Z spending on luxury cars, travel, and phones) in driving up personal consumer debt.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Audio Quality Discussion02:20 Power Dynamics and Freedom07:09 Slavery's Economic Impact on America10:13 Moral Questions of Agency and Economics17:44 Healthcare: A Moral or Political Question?32:52 Government's Role in Problem Solving37:27 Morality of Law Enforcement Tactics45:25 Debt and Financial Responsibility in Society54:51 Generational Perspectives on Debt and Spending

Send us Fan MailWelcome back to the Latter Day Lens! This week, hosts Matt and Shawn are joined by Marc to tackle pressing questions at the intersection of faith, economics, and emerging technology.We dive into the listener mailbag to explore the concept of Consecrationism—the idea that a perfect system requires people to willingly share their property and excess—and whether it represents a "third way" that addresses the moral failings of Socialism and Capitalism. The discussion heats up with personal anecdotes on political shifts and a look at Matt's recent Deseret News op-ed.Then, we transition to the rapidly approaching reality of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). We analyze Matt's survey data on Latter-day Saint attitudes toward AI, defining the three major groups: the Silicon Saints, the Compartmentalizers, and the Spiritual Skeptics. We debate the spiritual litmus test: Is using AI for a talk or guidance a form of "lukewarm" seeking, or is it a valid tool for a divinely creative people?Finally, we navigate two challenging ethical dilemmas:Parental Loyalty vs. Justice: Should a father help his son evade police after a crime, or insist on accountability, particularly within a potentially flawed justice system?Royal Justice: Did King Charles III stripping Prince Andrew of his titles represent a superior form of justice or merely an act of damage control and PR in the wake of the Epstein scandal?This episode's key topics: Consecrationism, Capitalism vs. Socialism, Generous Capitalism, AI and Faith, AGI, Spiritual Skeptics, LDS Economics, Prince Andrew, Epstein Files, and the Ethics of Accountability.Chapter Highlights (Jump to the Discussion!): 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 1:19  Mailbag: Consecrationism as the "Third Way" 2:27 The Ethics of Wealth and Charity (Billie Eilish) 3:00 Mark's Political Journey: From Marx to Capitalism 3:50 The Deseret News Op-Ed & Voting: To Vote or Not to Vote? 6:21 The Organized Intelligence Conference & LDS AI Survey 7:22  The Three Tribes: Silicon Saints, Compartmentalizers, & Spiritual Skeptics 8:16 The Litmus Test: Repenting to AI vs. Diligent Seeking 14:03 Elder Bednar, Creation, and the Danger of Passive Ingenuity 16:42 Justice Dilemma: The Ogden High School Shooting & Parental Loyalty 25:27 Royal PR vs. Real Justice: Prince Andrew & the Epstein Files 32:41 The AGI Utopia: Will AI Eliminate All Human Work? 37:25 The Downfall of Technology: From Telephones to AI Erotica

Send us Fan MailIn this conversation, Matt and Shawn explore various themes including sibling dynamics, communication styles, the ethics of gambling, cultural perspectives on Islamophobia, and the moral implications of socialism versus capitalism. They also discuss the role of justice and mercy in the legal system, particularly in relation to presidential pardons and political loyalty.The Thought Provoker:First this week, Democratic mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani delivered an emotional speech at a Bronx mosque, directly challenging what he called Islamophobic attacks, primarily from independent rival and former Governor Andrew Cuomo. Mamdani reacted strongly after Cuomo questioned his fitness to lead during a potential future "9/11," a comment that Mamdani claimed used veiled references to 9/11 and Islamic extremism. While Cuomo defended his remark by pointing to a past controversial comment by a Mamdani ally, Mamdani stressed that this language has made New York's Muslim population feel like outsiders. Cuomo later responded by accusing Mamdani of using a "dirty political trick" to divide the city. Should we be concerned about Islamophobia in the United States?Next up.  A new poll shows that more than half of all Democrats have a positive view of socialism. Two-thirds of Republicans have a positive view of capitalism. Is one system morally superior to the other?Finally. Record-setting mountain runner Michelino Sunseri was found guilty of a misdemeanor after spending just two minutes on a prohibited trail during his 2024 Grand Teton climb, where he set a new fastest known time (FKT). Sunseri, who had trained extensively, stated he left the switchback onto the restricted path, known as the Old Climber's Trail, to avoid casual hikers and possible injury, as he didn't want to yell for people to get out of his way while attempting the record. Is this an example of excessive government enforcement of the law?The Big Question: Since taking office again, President Trump has granted clemency to over 1,600 people, including a blanket pardon for nearly all charged in the January 6th Capitol attack and various high-profile figures. These pardons often waived over $1.3 billion in victim restitution and fines and favored political loyalists, a pattern legal experts call unprecedented. Is President Trump's use of the pardon power morally wrong?Chapters00:00 Sibling Dynamics and Communication Styles02:55 The Ethics of Gambling in Sports05:47 Islamophobia and Religious Freedom19:11 Debating Religious Doctrines and Their Implications19:55 Religious Tolerance and Freedom21:13 Socialism vs. Capitalism: Definitions and Perspectives24:17 Moral Superiority: Capitalism vs. Socialism29:09 The Impact of Economic Systems on Family Dynamics33:19 Property Rights and Violence: A Philosophical Debate39:42 The Principles of Socialism vs. Capitalism43:36 Discretion in Law Enforcement49:21 Pardons and Political Loyalty55:24 Justice and Mercy in Politics

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, the Shawn, Levi & Matt discuss a range of topics including peaceful protests, the role of church leaders in political matters, the influence of the church on political views, and the concept of mobilization in revolutions. They also delve into the ethics of prediction markets, the nature of bribery in politics, and the intersection of science and spirituality, particularly focusing on the idea that all spirit is matter and the implications of dark matter in understanding connections between individuals.The Thought Provoker:First this week. Dallin H. Oaks was sustained as the new President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. At the time of his call to the Quorum of the Twelve in 1984 he was on the short list of people who might have been nominated to be on the US Supreme Court. Justice Griffith argues that the work he can do to bridge the political divide in the US right now is more important than anything he might have done on the US Supreme Court. Many church members think that President Oaks was called at this time to help heal political divides in the United States. Is that a myopic viewpoint?  Next up, In a recent episode, On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti explored serious problems with prediction markets. The biggest concern is that people can profit by making bad events happen. Since platforms avoid gambling laws, users have no protection when things go wrong.  Given the harms these platforms cause, should governments create more laws to regulate their behavior?Finally, Accusations have surfaced that Tom Homan, set to be a border czar, was given $50,000 cash by undercover F.B.I. agents in exchange for promises of government contracts if Donald Trump won the election. Though Mr. Homan denies illegal actions, the Trump administration reportedly shut down the F.B.I. investigation. Should the US Congress or the Justice Department open an investigation into the allegations?The Big Question: Doctrine and Covenants 131:7–8. 7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes; 8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter. Physicists generally agree that dark matter is an invisible and hypothetical form of matter that makes up about 27% of the universe's total mass-energy content, significantly outweighing the ordinary, visible matter (which is only about 5%).Chapters00:00 Protests and Pep Rallies: A Lighthearted Start02:52 The Role of Church Leadership in Political Divides05:51 Mobilization and Influence: The 3.5% Rule08:37 Political Stances and Church Doctrine11:39 The Power of Defining Political Issues17:20 Name-Dropping and Intellectual Influence18:44 The Importance of Acknowledging Sources20:15 The Ethics of Prediction Markets21:14 Federalism and Gambling Regulations24:58 The Role of Business in Local Governance27:51 Personal Experiences with Prediction Markets30:44 The Influence of Information on Market Behavior3

Send us Fan MailHosts Matt and Shawn go one-on-one this week for a deep dive into global hot topics, a passionate debate on economic policy, and a philosophical search for truth. They start by reading a listener letter that perfectly sums up their conversational dynamic—sometimes frustrating, always engaging, and never boring!🎙️ In This Episode:(00:34) Listener Feedback & The Matt Phenomenon: The hosts discuss a letter from a listener who admits they "frequently found [themselves] yelling" at Matt while listening. They explore why Matt's approach—sometimes saying things he doesn't believe just to spark conversation—is both polarizing and effective. Plus, a discussion of the Tom Hanks classic, Joe vs. the Volcano.(06:19) Peter Thiel's Antichrist Theory: The first serious topic is venture capitalist Peter Thiel's claim that the modern Antichrist will be a "technological Luddite tyrant" who uses fear of AI and global crisis to establish a one world government and an "unjust peace." Matt and Sean debate whether this aligns with the LDS concept of the spirit of Antichrist and the fear of a loss of individual liberties for a perceived greater good.(22:30) Argentina's $20 Billion Lifeline: The conversation pivots to US economic and foreign policy. The hosts discuss the US Treasury's purchase of $20 billion in Argentinian pesos. They debate the true motive behind the transaction—is it a legitimate bailout for a strategic ally to prevent a refugee crisis, or is it an unjustified transfer of wealth to protect the investments of US-based global financial firms like BlackRock?(32:35) Is World War III Inevitable? Drawing on analysis from the Council on Foreign Relations, Matt argues that changes in the global landscape (Russia's weakness, the BRICS alliance, and US inaction) mean World War III is already functionally underway and inevitable. Matt makes a bold case for the US to take a more aggressive stance, possibly even eliminating foreign nuclear capabilities. Sean challenges this "strike now" philosophy, questioning the risk and the true intent of rival nations.(47:16) The Big Question: What is Truth? Inspired by a scripture defining truth as "knowledge of things as they are, as they were, and as they are to come," the hosts explore the nature of truth in a mortal life. Chapters00:00 Introduction and Listener Engagement06:01 The Antichrist and Modern Revelations11:53 The Concept of Unjust Peace19:01 International Relations and Economic Bailouts27:23 Economic Challenges and Inflation in Argentina29:41 Political Decision-Making and Leadership31:15 The Russia-Ukraine Conflict: A New Phase33:04 Inevitability of Global Conflict36:14 Historical Context of War and Diplomacy38:15 Military Strategy and Global Power Dynamics40:25 Nuclear Threats and Military Action44:58 The Nature of Truth and Knowledge49:49 Faith, Repentance, and Eternal Truths

Send us Fan MailThis week on Latter-day Lens, join Matt, Shawn, and Marc as they dive into a thought-provoking listener mailbag question: Is polygamy an eternal principle 💍 within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? The hosts wrestle with interpretations of Doctrine and Covenants 132, the sealing power, and the historical pattern of one man and one woman in scripture, challenging common assumptions about life in the celestial kingdom.General Conference & Agency 🙏The conversation shifts to highlights from the most recent General Conference. Find out which talks resonated most with the hosts, including powerful messages from Elder Brown on moral agency and a moving talk from President Oaks. The group shares their takeaways and discusses the Church's focus on doctrine-rich sermons and the staggering statistics on convert baptisms in recent years.Politics, Prediction, and the Price of Progress 💰Polymarket is a site where people can place bets on political events. For example, right now you can wager on the length of the government shutdown. Shawn does not like public opinion surveys, is this a better source of information about what the public thinks? Are the bets placed on who will win the NYC Mayoral race, for example, a better way to figure out public attitudes than a survey? AI vs. Actors: Dutch artist Eline Van der Velden created an AI “actor” named Tilly Norwood, and Hollywood is not amused. Tilly—who appears in AI-generated sketches and social clips—has reportedly been in talks with real talent agencies, sparking backlash from SAG-AFTRA and major stars. They see her as a threat to working actors and to the integrity of human storytelling. It’s the latest flashpoint in the debate over how far AI should go in replacing real creative work. Here is the question, at what point does it become morally wrong to use AI for human work? Will it ever go too far? Government as a Shareholder: The hosts dissect the controversial move by the US Energy Department to take an equity stake in a private company during a bailout. Is this new strategy an ingenious business move that benefits the American public, or is it a slippery slope toward socialism 🚩 and anti-capitalist meddling?Tune in for a lively debate that takes you from the sacred to the secular, and everything in between!#LDS #GeneralConference #Polygamy #Agency #Polymarket #AI #SAG-AFTRA #Socialism #Capitalism #LatterDayLensChapters00:00 Introduction and Lighthearted Banter00:55 Exploring Polygamy in the Church09:21 General Conference Highlights15:56 Public Opinion and Betting Markets23:22 Betting on Politics: The Uncertainty of Predictions26:14 AI in Hollywood: The Rise of Digital Actors27:25 The Morality of AI: When is it Wrong?32:48 AI and Spiritual Guidance: A Controversial Intersection36:36 Government Ownership: A Step Towards Socialism?

Send us Fan MailThis week, join the exceptionally fun trio of Shawn, Melanie, and Matt as they tackle some of the most compelling, and at times controversial, issues of our time! You won't want to miss their lively discussion on why some women choose a right-wing feminist strategy for survival, whether UDOT's use of eminent domain to build the FrontRunner 2X is morally justified, and if the critique that disliking Taylor Swift's music is sexist holds any water. Finally, they dive into the big question sparked by recent polling data: as polygamy becomes more morally accepted in America, will this trend eventually lead to pressure on the church to reconsider its position? Tune in for their engaging takes, witty banter, and thought-provoking analysis. ➡️ Segment 1: The Right-Wing Feminist's Rational TragedyWe explore Valerie Cassler's analysis of the Right-Wing Feminist choosing traditional marriage as a rational, if tragic, survival strategy against male domination. This accommodation strategy is preferred over Left-Wing Feminism, which is criticized for failing women and leaving them politically homeless.The Question: Is this accommodation strategy more compatible with gospel principles?➡️ Segment 2: Eminent Domain for FrontRunner 2XUDOT is using eminent domain to seize residential property in Provo for the high-priority FrontRunner 2X rail project, displacing dozens of residents. The Question: Is it morally right for the government to force people to sell their property for public transportation expansion?➡️ Segment 3: Is Disliking Taylor Swift Sexist?Literary critic Stephanie Burt argues that Taylor Swift's lyrical genius is overlooked due to sexist expectations that favor the "solitary male genius." The Question: Are people who dislike Taylor Swift or her music really being sexist?➡️ The Big Question: Polygamy's Rise in Moral AcceptanceGallup data shows a substantial increase in the moral acceptance of polygamy, tripling from 7% in 2001 to 21% in 2025. Following the precedent of pressure on the church regarding same-sex marriage, a trend of increasing public acceptance for polygamy is noted. The Big Question: As Americans become more accepting of polygamy, will pressure on the church to bring back polygamy also increase?

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Matt, Shawn, and David, begin with some casual banter before diving into the main topics. Matt shares listener feedback, including a critique of his political views and a listener's interest in Shawn's career. This leads to a debate about whether a public school teacher should be fired for their personal opinions on social media, especially if they are government employees.Next, the conversation shifts to Artificial Intelligence (AI). They discuss a prediction from the Zoom CEO that AI will lead to a three or four-day workweek, creating an era of abundance. Matt argues that if AI is left unregulated, it could instead lead to a "white-collar Armageddon." Sean counters that individuals have the power to adapt and use AI for personal growth, citing his own experience with using AI to write code.The hosts then discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk. They examine how foreign entities like Russia and China use such events to spread disinformation and sow political division in the United States. The hosts consider how to combat this, bringing up the First Presidency's call for peace and the need for more respectful dialogue, even among those with opposing views.The episode concludes with a "big question" about a verse in the Doctrine and Covenants that uses the phrase "wild and savage condition" to describe a group of people. The hosts debate whether the verse is racist and what it means for modern members of the church to confront seemingly problematic language in scripture. They conclude that individuals must read scripture in a broader context and that God works through imperfect people.Chapters00:00 Welcome Back and Listener Engagement02:00 Political Opinions and Listener Feedback05:44 RFK Jr. and Vaccine Controversies09:29 Social Media and Employment Consequences18:50 AI's Impact on Work and Society25:53 AI and Work-Life Balance28:33 Education in the Age of AI31:57 The Role of Expertise in an AI World32:44 Finding Solutions to Prevent White Collar Armageddon34:02 Disinformation and Political Divisions37:42 The Need for Peaceful Dialogue42:16 Racism in Canonized Scripture01:02:53 Concluding Thoughts on Race and Understanding

Send us Fan MailSummaryIn this episode, the Shawn, Porter, and Matt discuss various political and social issues, including Project 2025, the Alcohol Intake and Health Study, RFK Jr.'s political integrity, Kamala Harris's critique of Biden, public outrage over judicial decisions, and the rising rates of depression among young Americans. They emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying causes of these issues and the role of faith and personal responsibility in addressing them.The Thought Provoker:First this week. A government report on alcohol and health, which found a link between even low alcohol intake and increased cancer risk, was reportedly suppressed. Instead of publishing the Alcohol Intake and Health Study, the Trump administration used a separate report that was more favorable to the alcohol industry. I know Shawn likes some of the stuff RFK Jr. has been promoting. Does this show that RFK Jr. is a sellout, just like the rest of the people in Washington DC?Next up. In her book, 107 Days, Kamala Harris criticizes former President Joe Biden's 2024 presidential run as "reckless," an assessment that has angered Biden's former aides. While she avoids directly questioning his mental sharpness, Harris claims his campaign decisions negatively impacted both the election and her time as Vice President. Is Kamala right to blame Biden for what happened in 2024? Was his decision to run for reelection reckless?Last one.  Online anger over a binding plea deal in an Idaho court case led to death threats against District Judge Steven Boyce, who had limited sentencing options. When disturbing things happen in public that make us feel angry, what is the appropriate thing to do? I know we all oppose death threats, but what can people do instead of taking the rage online?The Big Question: Depression diagnoses among U.S. adults are at a near-record high of 28.5%, according to a 2025 Gallup survey. The sharpest increases are seen in adults under 30, where the rate has doubled since 2017 (13% to 26.7%), and among low-income Americans, with a significant rise to 35.1% since 2017. What do you think? Why is depression on the rise among poorer Americans, why is it at record levels in the last two years? Are advances in medicine simply making it easier to diagnose? Does the gospel of Jesus Christ offer any solutions for people struggling with depression?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:43 Exploring Project 202507:22 Alcohol Intake and Health Study18:45 RFK Jr. and Public Health Concerns21:43 Kamala Harris's Critique of Biden23:02 Political Accountability and Leadership Dynamics30:30 The Role of Emotions in Public Reactions43:14 Understanding Depression in Modern Society51:00 Faith and Mental Health Solutions

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, the Shawn, Matt & Levi discuss various themes including the importance of friendships, the concept of the American dream and exceptionalism, the response to loss of life in legislation, the influence of Trump's presidency on personal wealth, and the nature of government and leadership. They explore how societal values shape responses to tragedy and the moral implications of political actions.First this week. A recent poll shows that Americans are losing faith in American Exceptionalism. Nearly 70% of people said they believe the American dream—that if you work hard, you will get ahead—no longer holds true or never did, the highest level in nearly 15 years of surveys. Sam is a huge proponent of the American Dream. Is the American Dream supported by scripture?Next up. After a 27 girls died at Camp Mystic in the July 4 Guadalupe River flood near Kerrville, Texas, the state legislature quickly passed near-unanimous legislation to prevent something like that from ever happening again. Yet, children are being wounded or murdered on a regular basis in cities throughout the US in mass shootings that result in no meaningful legislation. In some ways, it feels like society treats some loss of life differently than other loss of life. Is it immoral for Texas to pass laws preventing loss of life from floods at camps, but to do nothing after mass shootings?Finally. This week, Trump’s family launched a cryptocurrency which led to a $5 billion gain in wealth for the family. As president, Trump nominates the people who control the money supply. Through his office he has a lot of control over the value of the dollar, which influences demand for cryptocurrencies. He also owns a social media platform on which he released de-classified video of an attack on drug cartels from Venezuela. As the only source of this video, every news station that reported on the story had to credit his social media platform as the source. Is Trump’s use of presidential power to influence his own personal wealth immoral?The Big Question: In Heleman 13:25-29 Nephi chastises his people. We love those who praise us and despise those who call us out. If it is human nature to reject people who tell us hard truths, is a representative form of government the absolute worst of all forms of government? If people are always going to vote for leaders who tell them what they want to hear, aren't elections the worst way of selecting leaders?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Praise for Levi03:03 The Importance of Friendships05:50 The American Dream: Myth or Reality?09:39 Legislation and Loss of Life21:09 Socioeconomic Factors in Tragedies28:40 The Right to Bear Arms and Federal Tyranny29:05 Responses to Tragedy: A Discussion on Race and Economics31:09 Trump's Wealth and Presidential Power: A Moral Dilemma38:25 The Nature of Leadership: Elections vs. Dictatorship47:10 The Role of the Press in Democracy52:44  We Love Those Who Praise Us 

Send us Fan MailThis week on The Latter-day Lens, join your host Matt, with co-host Shawn and special guest Linda, as they tackle a series of thought-provoking questions. The discussion kicks off with President Trump's stance on flag burning and its legal and moral implications in the context of the First Amendment. The hosts then pivot to an analysis of Spain's recent economic boom under a socialist government, examining whether this challenges traditional views on capitalism and socialism. The conversation continues with a look at the use of the National Guard for domestic policing in Washington, D.C., and whether the observed drop in violent crime justifies such actions.The show concludes with a "Big Question" segment, exploring the closure of a church by scholar Ryan Burge. The hosts and Linda debate whether the decline of mainline Protestantism is a reflection of a functioning economic model—where unsustainable entities fail—or a more unsettling sign of moral and spiritual decay in American society. They also explore whether, for some congregations, closure can be a "burden lifted" rather than a tragedy.Flag Burning & the First Amendment: We discuss President Trump's executive order targeting flag burning and a veteran's subsequent arrest. The segment examines the moral justification of this action and the legal precedent set by the Supreme Court, which has consistently ruled that flag burning is a form of protected speech.Spain's Economic Growth: We analyze a Goldman Sachs report highlighting Spain as "Europe's fastest-growing major economy." We explore whether its success under a socialist government, driven by factors like tourism, high-value services, and legal immigration, suggests that socialist systems can be economically effective.Domestic Policing & Crime Reduction: The show examines a CBS News analysis on the deployment of the National Guard in Washington, D.C., and its correlation with a significant drop in violent crime. We question the moral and political implications of using military forces for domestic law enforcement.The Decline of Protestantism: We explore the closure of a church led by scholar Ryan Burge. This segment delves into whether the decline of mainline Protestantism is a simple case of an unsustainable economic model, or a deeper indication of moral and spiritual decay in America. We also consider if, for some congregations, closure might be a positive and necessary conclusion.Chapters00:00 The Controversy of Flag Burning07:14 Spain's Economic Growth and Socialism17:01 Healthcare and Economic Responsibility17:51 Political Identity and Independent Thinking18:42 Crime Trends and National Guard Deployment19:46 Morality of Military Policing23:09 Short-Term Solutions vs. Long-Term Problems24:51 Local Crime and Community Responses30:00 Decline of Mainline Protestantism39:10 Politics and Religion: A Dangerous Mix

Send us Fan MailIn this thought-provoking episode of The Latter Day Lens, hosts Matt, Shawn, and newly-called Elders Quorum President Marc tackle some of today's most pressing questions about masculinity, friendship, and faith.The Friendship ImperativeThe conversation begins with a listener's observation about the importance of truly knowing individuals in church leadership rather than focusing solely on programs and numbers. This leads to a deeper discussion about whether men have a moral and religious obligation to cultivate friendships. Marc quotes Joseph Smith's teaching that "friendship is the grand principle of Mormonism," while Shawn references the biblical principle that "it is not good for man to be alone." The hosts explore why many married men rely too heavily on their wives for emotional support and the potential consequences this has for both marriages and society at large.The Trust Crisis in AmericaThe discussion shifts to examining why public confidence in institutions has plummeted to historic lows, with only small business, military, and science maintaining majority support. Shawn argues that capitalism and increased competition have led to partisan news sources that prioritize profit over objective reporting. Matt expresses concern about the dangers of losing faith in the institutions that keep society functioning, while the hosts debate whether this skepticism represents healthy accountability or dangerous cynicism toward necessary social structures.Toxic Masculinity and the GospelDrawing from a disturbing Italian Facebook group case involving non-consensual sharing of intimate images, the hosts tackle the complex topic of toxic masculinity. They examine whether problematic masculine behaviors like the desire to dominate and control are biological or learned, and whether cultural interpretations of gospel principles might inadvertently contribute to unhealthy relationship dynamics. Matt shares personal struggles with his own parenting approaches, questioning whether different expectations for sons versus daughters reflect gospel teachings or cultural biases.Consecration and CoercionThe episode concludes with a debate over Doctrine and Covenants 105 and whether the Lord intends for believers to implement the law of consecration through government policy or to work within existing legal frameworks. Shawn argues that true consecration requires voluntary covenant-making and cannot be achieved through compulsion, while Matt provocatively suggests that those with political power have an obligation to enforce God's will upon society. Marc takes a middle position, advocating for creating space where consecration can flourish while focusing individual discipleship on drawing closer to Christ rather than partisan politics.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Personal News01:44 Engaging Young Men in Leadership04:37 The Importance of Knowing Individuals06:29 Friendship and Social Connections11:33 The Role of Men in Building Friendships14:30 Trust in News and Media22:19 The Challenge of Bias in Journalism22:45 The Complexity of Journalism and Bias24:05 Trust in Institutions: A Growing Concern27:11 Conservatism and the Preservation of Institutions28:34 Toxic Masculinity: Definitions and Implications37:44 The Role of the Gospel in Gender Dynamics40:32 The Law of Consecration: A Societal Challenge48:08 Politics, Partisanship, and the Pursuit of Christ

Send us Fan MailWelcome to The Latter-day Lens! In this week's episode, hosts Shawn, Matt, and Graham tackle some of the most pressing questions from the mailbag and beyond. Info on the Zipper MergeThe Thought Provoker:First this week: A recent survey shows that only 40% of Americans would like their child to attend a four-year college right out of high school. More Americans would like their child to “take some time off” (13%) than would like them to join the military (5%) or join the workforce (6%) combined. President Nelson has said that education is a religious obligation. Do we need to rethink what we are telling our kids to do post-high school?Next up: President Putin came to the US last week to discuss Ukraine with Trump. Thing is, the International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Putin for war crimes he committed in Ukraine. As a member of the Rome Treaty, we agreed to arrest anyone indicted by the ICC. Should Trump have arrested Putin the moment he set foot on US soil? Is it morally correct to ignore treaties we have signed on to?  Finally: The US is discussing taking a stake in Intel. This sounds to me like socialism. Many of our listeners believe that socialism is morally evil. Is Trump’s interference in the management of Intel socialism, and if it is, is he doing something that is morally wrong? The Big Question: Putnam and Reeves argue that one of the causes of delinquency in the US right now is the breakdown of civil society institutions (Like the Boy Scouts, and the YMCA) that specifically target young men. Too many men are afraid to mentor young people for fear that they might be accused of sexual assault, and these organizations are no longer allowed to be gender specific. They argue that young men need male role models and that these organizations provide something beneficial to society. President Monson was a big fan of Scouting. Does society need groups like Boy Scouts that specifically focus on helping young men become men?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Listener Engagement02:52 Defending Misinformation and Community Learning05:37 Traffic Merging: Morality and Rightness08:37 Post-High School Paths: Rethinking Education11:31 The Value of Gap Years and Alternative Education14:05 The Three E's: Employment, Enlistment, and Enrollment17:03 Lifelong Learning as a Religious Obligation19:55 International Treaties and Moral Leadership21:24 The Precedent of Arrests in International Politics22:49 The Role of Treaties in Global Stability28:21 Government Intervention in Private Enterprises32:46 The Importance of Civil Society in Youth Development44:56 Identity Crisis Among Young Men

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, hosts Shawn, Matt, & Melanie are back together and jump right into a thought-provoking mailbag question about the podcast's "most listened to" status. Matt backs up the claim with some surprising metrics, and the hosts share their differing views on promoting the show.They then dive into three major topics:Russia: The hosts discuss a Russian journalist's argument that Putin may be overconfident, and pose a question: Is a Third World War or an internal Russian uprising more likely? Melanie and Shawn believe neither is probable, while Matt leans toward an uprising, referencing historical Russian revolutions. Shawn shares a poignant story about a Pet Shop Boys song dedicated to Alexei Navalny.LDS Political Beliefs: A new study on political concerns among Latter-day Saints and Evangelicals reveals some interesting differences. The hosts discuss whether these differences are due to LDS doctrine (like self-reliance and identity as a child of God) or LDS culture (pioneer heritage and refugee stories).The Labor Market: With a sluggish job market and rising long-term unemployment, the hosts grapple with the classic debate: can a political party fix the economy? Melanie and Shawn urge patience and emphasize that political parties aren't the answer, while Matt points out the rapid economic shift following a recent change in administration.The Big Question: The conversation concludes with a discussion about Israel and the "signs of the times." With global tensions rising, Matt asks if the current state of affairs in Israel looks like the beginning of the end. He references prophecies from Revelation and Zechariah. Shawn and Melanie respond with a unified message: while the signs are there, our focus should be on personal conversion and sharing the gospel, not on predicting timelines.Chapters00:00 Welcome Back and Podcast Metrics02:50 The Power of Propaganda and Political Change05:42 Cultural Perspectives on Political Issues08:28 The Role of Doctrine in Political Identity11:15 Historical Context of Russian Uprisings14:04 LDS vs. Evangelical Political Concerns17:10 Cultural Identity and Political Extremism19:51 Job Market Challenges for Graduates20:38 The Current Job Market Landscape23:26 Political Implications on Economic Expectations26:59 The Role of Political Parties in Economic Recovery30:22 The Second Coming: Signs and Interpretations37:25 Faith and Preparedness in the Latter Days

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, the Shawn, Matt, & Porter discuss various topics including the role of AI in communication, medical debt, and the loneliness crisis in Utah. First up: AI is changing the way that people speak. Researchers analyzed 280,000 YouTube videos from academic channels and found that in the 18 months since ChatGPT was released speakers are using words favored by the chatbot (like delve, realm, and adept) 51% more frequently and they are using other words less frequently. Elder Bednar recently warned that the use of AI can threaten moral agency by causing us to be “acted upon” rather than acting for ourselves. Is this evidence of people giving their agency over to AI? Do we need to be more cautious in our use of AI?Next up:  A federal judge in Texas reversed a Biden-era rule on Friday that permitted medical debt to be wiped from credit reports. Setting aside the legal question, what is the morally correct way to handle credit reports? Some things (a mortgage, student loans, auto loans, credit cards, bankruptcies) get reported, but others do not (civil judgments, tax liens, etc). Is medical debt something that should be on a credit report?Finally:  We are now at the six month mark of the Trump presidency. New state-by-state polling shows his popularity across the United States. If you took the electoral college votes of the states where his disapproval is higher than his approval rating and counted that as votes to remove from office, Trump would be out in a landslide. Should there be a mechanism that allows public opinion to remove someone from office? Congress can impeach for bad behavior, the cabinet can remove for incompetence. Should Americans be able to do so? The Big Question: Utah ranks among the top five loneliest states in the nation, according to U.S. Census data. More than one in three Utah adults say they feel lonely “always” or “often.” Health officials say it’s more than just a side effect of the pandemic—it’s become a public health priority. Matt Draper, a therapist based in Springville, says that based on his work, the two groups most affected by loneliness in Utah are young adults and seniors. Meanwhile, Utah ranks #1 in the nation for the best economic outlook and #3 for economic performance. They say that money can’t buy happiness, is Utah proving that point? What is Utah doing wrong?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction03:00 Debate on Socialism and Capitalism06:02 Market Trust and Economic Principles09:00 The Role of Government in the Economy12:12 The Impact of AI on Language and Agency17:56 AI's Influence on Decision Making22:04 Medical Debt and Credit Reporting31:39 Charity, Compassion, and Medical Debt34:00 Trump's Approval Ratings and Political Mechanisms39:00 Public Opinion and Political Accountability44:02 Loneliness in Utah: A Public Health Concern01:00:01 Community and C

Send us Fan MailEpisode Description: This week, we dive into a listener's take on Trump's Brazil tariffs and the "BRICS threat." Then, we explore Iceland's successful 4-day work week and ponder the future of labor in a tech-driven world. We also tackle the contentious issue of mid-decade redistricting in Texas, examining its legality versus its morality. Finally, we discuss the New York Times' coverage of the Tabernacle Choir and President Nelson's guidance on the Church's name, before grappling with the "Big Question": Does scripture point to communal economic equality as the ideal system?The Thought Provoker:Topic 1: Iceland's 4-Day Work Week: A Global Model?By 2019, 90% of Iceland's workforce adopted 35-36 hour weeks without pay cuts, largely due to union agreements.Key Statistics: Productivity remained stable or increased, worker well-being significantly improved (lower stress, better work-life balance), and greater gender equality was observed.Robust digital infrastructure played a key role in this successful transition.Discussion points: Is Iceland's model transferable globally? Do companies have a moral obligation to maintain salaries while reducing hours as technology advances? Is the "wage per hour" paradigm outdated for the 21st century?Topic 2: Texas Redistricting Controversy: Legal vs. MoralFormer Republican Rep. Burt Solomons criticizes President Trump's pressure on Texas officials to redraw congressional districts mid-decade.Solomons argues Trump's aim is to gain Republican seats and "rig" the 2026 midterms, calling it an "alarming power grab" that erodes public trust and disenfranchises minority voters.Historically, redistricting, while partisan, has generally respected established rules. Mid-decade redistricting is rare and should not be driven by a president's "whim."Discussion points: Is it wrong for Texas to redraw congressional districts now, even if it's technically legal in Texas (which has a history of doing so)? What is the distinction between what is legal and what is morally acceptable in political actions?Topic 3: The Tabernacle Choir & The New York Times: Naming ConventionsThe Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square recently celebrated its 5,000th continuous episode of Music & the Spoken Word, prompting a New York Times article.The NYT article used the official name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, acknowledged the common "Mormon" association, and used "Latter-day Saint" as an adjective for members and related concepts.Discussion points: Does this usage align with what President Russell M. Nelson requested regarding the correct name of the Church? What has been the practical application among members since President Nelson's talk?The Big Question: Communal Economic Equality – The Ideal System?D&C 82:17-19 outlines principles of communal economic equality:Individuals have equal claims to resources based on "just wants and needs" to manage their "stewardships."The system benefits the entire community, allowing individuals to develop and multiply "talents" (abilities/resources).Gains are contributed to a common "Lord's storehouse" for collective benefit.Encourages prioritizing neighbor's interests and acting with pure motives to glorify God.While the context is the United Order, the question arises: Are these verses describing principles that extend beyond the United Order? Is the ideal economic system one of communal economi

Send us Fan MailThis week on the Latter Day Lens, Matt, Shawn, and Marc dive into a whirlwind of topics, from economic theory and political landscapes to the legal system. Get ready for lively debate and unexpected agreements!00:01 - 01:00: Kicking Off with Reenactments and RibbingThe episode opens with Matt introducing Marc as "a guy that voted for Trump," leading into a light-hearted discussion about Marc's Revolutionary War reenactment experience. Matt and Shawn playfully contrast Marc's discipline with Matt's own rebellious nature.01:00 - 08:48: The Mailbag - Adam Smith's Invisible Hand & BidetsThe hosts address a listener's email challenging Shawn's interpretation of Adam Smith's "invisible hand." While Shawn humbly accepts the historical nuance, he maintains the concept's modern relevance, arguing it motivates producers to provide value. This segues into a humorous tangent about Matt's impulse purchases, including a bidet, prompting a quick topic change.08:48 - 21:50: The Thought Provoker - Defining "Make America Great Again"Matt introduces a New York Times opinion piece by Peter Baker, suggesting Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" points to the 1870-1913 era.Shawn argues "MAGA" is an intentionally undefined "gimmick."Matt posits the era's minimal regulation and high tariffs would appeal to Trump as a capitalist.Marc believes "MAGA" signifies a return to a "moral past."The discussion expands to whether Trump is a true conservative, with Shawn distinguishing between "reactionism" and "conservatism." Marc agrees with this distinction.Matt challenges the idea of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a conservative organization, citing its history of radical change.21:50 - 32:58: China Shock 2.0 and TariffsThe hosts discuss economists David Autor and Gordon Hanson's warning about "China Shock 2.0," where China could surpass the US in innovative sectors.Matt questions if US tariffs, often politically motivated, inadvertently help China gain a future advantage.Shawn suggests tariffs aim for better trade deals.Marc expresses little concern for "China Shock 2.0," relying on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, leading to a humorous debate on the scriptural definition of "soon."32:58 - 44:54: The Jeffrey Epstein FilesThe conversation turns to the controversial Jeffrey Epstein files.Matt surprisingly argues against releasing all files (e.g., child pornography) to protect victims, believing law enforcement would have already prosecuted any implicated individuals. He trusts the FBI.Shawn and Marc strongly disagree, advocating for full transparency to expose "secret combinations" and ensure justice, expressing skepticism about Epstein's death and alleged cover-ups.The debate highlights contrasting views on transparency and the legal system.44:54 - 54:10: The Big Question - Lawyers, Conflict, and Latter-day Lens PrinciplesThe episode concludes with a "big question" inspired by Alma 10 and 11 on lawyers profiting from societal conflict.Matt asks if the current legal system, which incentivizes conflict, is flawed. He proposes alternatives:Lawyers not charging fees.Community councils resolving disputes.A system like the Church's disciplinary councils, where randomly assigned individuals defend both sides.Marc agrees the current system encourages litigation.Shawn, initially skeptical, is eventually convinced by Matt's arguments, particularly the alternative dispute reso

Send us Fan MailThis week on The Latter Day Lens, Matt, Shawn, and Graham tackle a thought-provoking lineup of topics that cut to the heart of justice, liberty, and the proper role of government. We dive deep into the surprising reality of America's low crime clearance rates and ask if it's time for a new approach to deterring crime. Then, we pivot to a local controversy in Provo, Utah, where a popular dance fitness program was suddenly shut down, sparking a debate about local control and individual liberty – and whether one always serves the other. Finally, we examine the Trump administration's approach to undocumented workers and employer accountability. Plus, in "The Big Question," we confront the alarming truth about a new, more toxic ingredient in weedkillers and ponder the government's moral obligation to protect its citizens from harmful substances. Tune in for a lively and insightful discussion!Thought Provoker & Topic 1: The State of Justice - Why Are So Many Crimes Unsolved?The Data: We discuss the shocking reality of low crime clearance rates in the U.S., particularly for murders and car thefts, and how America compares to other developed nations.The Question: Given that the U.S. incarcerates more people than almost any other country, is our current system effective in deterring crime? What "better way" might we find?Topic 2: Local Control vs. Individual Liberty - The Provo Dance Class ControversyThe Story: We break down the unexpected closure of the "Dirtylicious Dance Fitness" program at the Provo Recreation Center after six years, and the city's reasoning.Shawn's Take: Shawn, a proponent of local government control, weighs in.The Debate: Does this example demonstrate how local control can inadvertently reduce liberty? Is local control a scriptural principle or more of a political preference?Topic 3: Immigration Enforcement - Who Should Be Held Accountable?The Policy: We examine the Trump administration's stated vow to hold companies accountable for employing undocumented workers.The Reality: Why have DHS enforcement operations overwhelmingly focused on arresting workers rather than punishing employers?The Discussion: Is this the right approach? Should employers who knowingly hire undocumented individuals face more significant repercussions?The Big Question: Government's Role in Public Safety - The Diquat DilemmaThe Concern: We uncover the troubling facts about diquat, the highly toxic herbicide ingredient now replacing glyphosate in Roundup, which is banned in many other developed nations.The EPA's Stance: Why has the EPA resisted calls for a ban, even as products containing diquat hit U.S. shelves?The Core Question: What is the proper role of government in regulating potentially harmful products? If a government knows a substance can harm its citizens, does it have a moral obligation to ban it, or at least warn its citizens?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Host Introduction02:49 Understanding Propaganda and Its Implications05:45 Crime Rates and the Effectiveness of Punishment08:48 Rethinking the Criminal Justice System11:32 Community Standards and Local Government Decisions14:27 The Role of Local Government in Providing Services25:59 Local Control and Scriptural Principles28:32 Government's Role in Community Standards30:09 Immigration and Employer Accountability34:27 The Role of Government in Public Health47:11 Trust in Government vs. Free Market Solutions Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review "The Latter Day Lens" wherever you listen to podcasts! 

Send us Fan MailThis episode of Latter Day Lens dives into some heavy-hitting topics, from the nature of propaganda in foundational American documents to the complexities of the BYU Honor Code and the nuanced role of conflict in societal change.Here's a breakdown of the key discussions:Propaganda: Good or Bad? The hosts grapple with the definition of propaganda, debating whether historical documents like the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers, or even public health campaigns like "Smoking Kills," qualify. Matt argues that if a message is intended to manipulate or is based on carefully selected (or omitted) truths, it's propaganda, regardless of its perceived positive outcome. He points out that even well-intentioned "propaganda" can lead to a skewed understanding of history, creating ongoing societal challenges. Levi, on the other hand, suggests that if something is honestly believed and not intended to deceive, it may not be harmful, even if it could be labeled as propaganda. The Pareto Principle and Human Nature: Shawn introduces the Pareto Principle (the 80/20 rule), suggesting it applies to various aspects of life, including human behavior and organizational effectiveness. He even attempts to connect it to scriptural concepts like "almost all men" exercising unrighteous dominion, implying that a minority often drives the majority of outcomes, both positive and negative. While the hosts playfully debate its "doctrinal" status, the principle is explored as a potential framework for understanding distribution of effort, waste, and even spiritual progress.Trustees vs. Delegates in Government: The conversation shifts to the role of elected officials, specifically in the context of the Big Beautiful Bill. The hosts discuss whether representatives should act as "delegates" (reflecting the direct will of their constituents) or "trustees" (making decisions based on their own informed judgment for the perceived best interest of their constituents). Matt strongly advocates for the trustee model, especially for complex issues like the federal budget, arguing that public opinion often lacks the necessary understanding. Levi agrees, emphasizing the importance of voting for character in leaders who can navigate unforeseen crises.BYU Honor Code's Application: The discussion tackles the ongoing debate about the BYU Honor Code, particularly the perception that it's not applied uniformly. Matt, drawing from his experience as a YSA bishop, provides a concrete example of disparate treatment between ecclesiastical and Honor Code Office processes, even for similar infractions. Addressing Historical Injustice and Societal Conflict: The episode concludes with a deep dive into how to address historical injustices, using the example of a Confederate statue's relocation in North Carolina. The hosts introduce sociological theories: "functionalism" (slow, cautious change to preserve societal stability) versus "conflict theory" (highlighting existing societal conflicts to drive change, even if it causes disruption). The conversation explores the nature of "peace" in politics and whether it means the absence of conflict or actively addressing underlying issues, even if it leads to discomfort. The distinction between peaceful protest and destructive rioting is also a key point of contention.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Homework Discussion00:58 The Nature of Propaganda05:54 Debating Historical Documents as Propaganda11:49 The Pareto Principle and Its Implications23:55 Trustees vs. Delegates in Representation31:28 BYU Honor Code Controversy38:31 Conflict Theory vs. Functionalism in Society

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Matt, Shawn, and Marc dive into some of the most pressing and thought-provoking issues of our time:Robert Kiyosaki's Hyperinflation Warning: We kick off by discussing "Rich Dad Poor Dad" author Robert Kiyosaki's dire predictions for the US economy, including impending hyperinflation and a financial wipeout for millions. He points to weak demand for US bonds and a Moody's downgrade as contributing factors. The hosts explore Kiyosaki's recommended solutions – investing in gold, silver, and Bitcoin – and ask the crucial questions: Are you worried about hyperinflation in the US? And what practical steps should we take to protect ourselves against economic downturns?The Disparate Job Market of May 2025: Next, we analyze the latest jobs numbers, revealing a mixed bag across industries. While sectors like Financial Activities and Education and Health Services boast low unemployment rates, Leisure and Hospitality, Wholesale and Retail Trade, and Information are facing significant challenges. This disparity sparks a conversation about political promises from both Biden and Trump to help everyone economically, leading to the big question: Is it truly possible for government policies to benefit all citizens, or will there always be winners and losers in the economic landscape?Truth and Transparency in Geopolitics: Trump, Khamenei, and Iran's Nuclear Program: The discussion then shifts to the conflicting narratives surrounding recent US strikes on Iran's nuclear sites. Donald Trump claims the program was "obliterated," while Ayatollah Ali Khamenei downplays the damage. This stark contrast prompts an examination of honesty in public discourse, particularly for political leaders. We ask: Does this situation underscore the critical importance of being completely honest in everything we do? And should we prioritize honesty more heavily when choosing which political leaders to support?Synthetic Human DNA: Playing God or Divine Inspiration? Finally, we tackle "The Big Question": a controversial project funded by the Wellcome Trust to create artificial human DNA. This groundbreaking research aims to develop treatments for incurable diseases and promote healthier aging, but it also raises profound ethical concerns about "designer babies," biological weapons, and enhanced humans. With many church members opposing stem cell research due to its embryonic origins, this new avenue presents an opportunity for genetic cures without reproductive interference. We grapple with the profound theological and ethical dilemma: Is the creation of synthetic DNA inspired by God for the benefit of humanity, or is it mankind attempting to play God?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Events03:08 School Vouchers and Public Education07:35 Concerns About Hyperinflation13:59 Government Policies and Employment20:30 The Role of Honesty in Politics25:35 The Role of Honesty in Leadership28:43 Propaganda: A Double-Edged Sword35:11 Synthetic DNA: Playing God or Divine Inspiration?46:44 The Future of Medicine and Ethics

Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Matt, Shawn, and Linda dive headfirst into the swirling currents of contemporary American challenges. We'll start by grappling with Professor Marci Shore's stark warnings of civil war and her decision to leave the U.S., prompting us to question our moral obligations in a "democratic emergency." Then, we pivot to the realm of political rhetoric, dissecting Senator Mike Lee's controversial social media post and exploring the line between free speech and harmful incitement. Finally, we'll scrutinize Utah's eyebrow-raising school voucher program, examining how taxpayer money is being spent and if it truly represents the right approach to education funding. Join us as we confront these pressing issues and seek to understand their broader implications for our society. The Big Question: In the April 2025 general conference, Elder Anderson spoke about abortion. He specifically said that what he said, "is not a political position" but "a moral law confirmed by the Lord through His prophets." Despite this, this talk is going to influence people's political positions. The question is this: how should people approach this general conference talk? If a person reads the talk and thinks about politics, are they missing out on something of greater importance than the political issue of abortion?Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction02:57 Discussion on Civil War Fears in America10:12 Understanding Democracy and Civil War Dynamics15:53 Political Responses and Social Media Conduct21:40 Navigating Social Media and Personal Connections24:14 Righteous Indignation vs. Christ-like Charity28:21 The Utah Voucher Program: A Controversial Approach32:52 Balancing Oversight and Parental Choice in Education41:20 Education as a Right and Public Funding53:01 Navigating Politics and Morality in Religious Teachings

Send us Fan MailJoin Matt, Shawn, and Melanie this week as they dive into some of the biggest ideas shaping our world, from the presence of the US military on home soil to the cutting edge of AI in dating, the public display of celebrity faith, and fundamental questions about religious freedom.Military Visibility: A New Era?Last Saturday, Washington D.C. hosted a military parade marking the Army's 250th anniversary. Concurrently, the Trump administration deployed the National Guard and US Marines to address civil unrest and rioting in Los Angeles. Many Americans reacted with concern to these more visible displays of military might domestically. We'll explore:The implications of increased military presence in US cities.Public perception of domestic military operations.The balance between security and civil liberties when US military forces are deployed internally.AI Dating & Digital CompatibilityA brand-new dating app is revolutionizing matchmaking by analyzing your 5,000 most recent internet searches to create a "Browse personality profile." This AI-powered dating platform suggests compatible partners without even using photos. We're asking:Can AI algorithms predict true compatibility better than traditional profiles?The pros and cons of data-driven dating and privacy.Is sharing your internet search history the future of finding love?Celebrity Faith & Public ReactionBear Grylls and Justin Bieber have both recently become more public about their Christian faith. This openness has sparked varied responses, with some accusing Justin Bieber of cult involvement. We'll discuss:The influence of celebrities sharing their faith.How public religious expression by famous figures affects individual openness.Navigating negative reactions to Christian faith in the public eye.The Big Question: Oak Flat and Religious Liberty ConcernsThe US Supreme Court recently allowed a lower court ruling to stand, permitting the transfer of Oak Flat, a sacred site to the Western Apache Indians, to a copper mining company. Justice Gorsuch's dissent highlighted the destruction of an ancient tribal worship site and the lack of a hearing for the Apache. This decision is widely seen as a direct assault on the religious liberties of Native Americans. We'll delve into:The impact of the Oak Flat decision on tribal religious rights.Whether a threat to the religious freedom of one group jeopardizes overall religious freedom in the United States.Understanding the broader implications for First Amendment rights and religious land use.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview01:57 Listener Feedback and Mission Stories Podcast06:06 Discussion on Military Presence and Public Safety13:25 Debate on Military Intervention in Protests17:55 Exploring New Dating App Concepts26:07 Celebrity Influence on Faith and Public Perception35:17 Religious Liberty and Public Lands

Send us Fan MailWe open this episode with a moment of reflection, discussing the somber news regarding Ukrainian refugees in Utah and the ongoing challenges many face with immigration and refugee status.We then dive into a listener's compelling question: "Is America an aristocracy in disguise?" This sparks a lively debate among Matt, Shawn, and Levi about the role of inherited wealth and political connections in American leadership, and whether the nation truly lives up to its ideals of opportunity for all.Next, we tackle some timely "Thought Provokers" starting with JD Vance's recent assertion: "America is not just an idea. It is a group of people with shared values and a common history." We dissect this statement, exploring various interpretations of American identity, the importance of compromise, and the potential implications of such a definition.The conversation then shifts to a pressing global issue: the devastating conflict in Gaza. We grapple with the reported 50,000 casualties, including 13,000 children, and question why media coverage often seems limited. The discussion extends to what can realistically be done and our collective responsibility as Latter-day Saints in the face of such profound humanitarian suffering.Following this, we analyze the impact of the abandonment of the Fairness Doctrine in the 1980s, a decision many argue directly led to our current polarized media landscape. We debate whether this polarization was inevitable, how we might possibly return to a shared understanding of reality, and what it truly means for "the market" to control the flow of information.Finally, we delve into the Big Question of the episode: the nature of immutable laws—whether of physics, man, or God. Drawing on an intriguing concept from physics where individual particles defy prediction but exhibit predictable collective behavior through probability, we ask: If such "laws" are often observed tendencies of collective actions, are there truly immutable laws? We explore how this philosophical inquiry might apply to human laws, natural laws, and even the "laws of kingdoms of glory" mentioned in D&C 88:24-25, questioning if laws are perhaps a divine tool to help mortals comprehend the eternal, rather than rigid, unchangeable strictures.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Current Events02:52 Political Aristocracy: Myth or Reality?05:59 Defining America: Ideas vs. People08:55 The Role of Compromise in American Society11:57 Understanding the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict15:02 Media Coverage and Public Perception18:08 The Complexity of Solutions21:06 The Fairness Doctrine and Media Polarization33:05 The Impact of Media Regulation on Polarization36:08 The Role of Capitalism in Media Bias39:03 The Evolution of Partisan Media42:04 Government vs. Market Control of Media44:46 The Nature of Truth and Laws57:49 Exploring Universal Laws and Probabilities

Send us Fan MailJoin Matt, Shawn, and Marc on the Latter-day Lens podcast for a lively and thought-provoking discussion that spans centuries and tackles complex moral questions.In this episode, we kick off with a fascinating dive into Colonial Heritage Festivals and Revolutionary War reenactment, as Marc shares his experiences representing the 33rd Regiment of Foot. Learn what makes these historical events so unique and how they differ from a Renaissance Faire.Then, the conversation shifts to modern-day ethical dilemmas. We tackle the intriguing "thought provoker": What would you do if a loved one escaped from jail? The hosts explore the complexities of family loyalty versus upholding the law, debating the concepts of malum in se and malum prohibitum.Next, we delve into the controversial topic of presidential pardons. We discuss recent pardons granted by President Trump, including the case of NBA Youngboy, and examine the arguments for and against the executive power of clemency. Do victims have a valid point when pardons are issued? We explore historical examples and the potential for abuse of this significant presidential authority.Finally, we address a timely issue for BYU football fans: the dilemma surrounding a civil lawsuit filed against BYU's quarterback regarding a sexual assault claim and its implications for the BYU Honor Code. Should the university jeopardize its football season by expelling a key player based on an accusation?Tune in for an engaging debate on justice, mercy, personal responsibility, and institutional integrity, all through a Latter-day Lens.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Colonial Festivals02:57 Family Loyalty and Legal Dilemmas06:01 Pardons and Justice in Politics22:06 The Complexity of Presidential Pardons24:40 Evaluating the Effectiveness of Pardons25:08 BYU's Honor Code Dilemma32:00 Authority and Accountability in Politics42:59 The Role of Faith in Political Decisions

Send us Fan MailThis week on the Latter-day Lens, hosts Matt and Sean dive into hot-button topics that spark lively debate.First, they tackle recent research suggesting that college can actually make students more conservative depending on their major. Is it the professors, the self-selection of students, or something else entirely? Matt and Sean explore the implications of this finding and debate whether parents should guide their kids toward specific majors to influence their political views. They also discuss the broader purpose of higher education and whether academic research like this is helpful or harmful.Then, the conversation shifts to a contentious question: Is it wrong to call nostalgia for certain periods of the past "racism"? Matt and Sean unpack the complexities of historical memory, the celebration of figures like Civil War generals, and the ongoing debate about the meaning and impact of racism in modern society. They challenge each other to define what constitutes racism and discuss the potential dangers of diluting the term.Finally, in The Big Question segment, Matt shares insights from his interview with Justice Tom Griffith, an appellate court justice on the D.C. Court of Appeals. They discuss the impartiality of judges and the character of Supreme Court justices, including anecdotes about Justices Sotomayor and Kagan. This leads to a reflection on whether to err on the side of mercy when judging politicians and how to be better missionaries, inspired by Justice Griffith's example of inviting Supreme Court justices to a temple open house.Keywordscollege majors, political ideology, parental influence, racism, nostalgia, California demographics, education, social sciences, conservatism, liberalism, Russia, Ukraine, Trump, democracy, Supreme Court, judicial impartiality, missionary work, bias, skepticism, global politicsChapters00:00 Introduction and Nostalgia for the Past02:52 The Impact of College Majors on Political Ideology10:04 Parental Influence on Political Beliefs14:44 Racism and Nostalgia in Politics21:50 California's Demographic Changes and Racism27:20 The Dangers of Diluting Racism30:27 Cherry Picking Evidence and Bias in Perspectives31:15 The Ongoing Conflict: Russia and Ukraine33:08 Ukraine's Path to Democracy and Freedom35:12 Trump's Stance on Russia and Global Politics37:11 Europe's Role in Supporting Ukraine38:55 Insights from Justice Tom Griffith40:12 Judicial Impartiality and Influence43:08 The Humanity of Supreme Court Justices44:55 Erring on the Side of Mercy in Judgment46:44 Skepticism Towards Power and Authority52:05 The Importance of Missionary Work55:14 Inviting Others to Experience Faith58:49 Teasing Future Projects and Content

Send us Fan MailIn this intellectually stimulating episode, Matt, Shawn, and Melanie explore complex intersections of politics, education, immigration policy, and artificial intelligence ethics. Our discussion examines vocational education's resurgence, controversial refugee policies, presidential decision-making, and the emergence Education Policy Debate High schools across America are forming strategic partnerships with employers to prepare students for lucrative skilled trades, with companies actively recruiting before graduation due to workforce shortages created by retiring baby boomers. These revitalized vocational programs enable graduates to earn $50,000-$75,000 annually without college debt. We consider whether American secondary education has overemphasized college preparation at the expense of alternative career pathways.Immigration Ethics and Policy The Trump administration has implemented an executive order allowing entry to 59 White South African Afrikaners as refugees while maintaining broader refugee program suspensions. This selective policy has provoked significant institutional opposition, including the Episcopal Church's withdrawal from government partnership. We analyze whether prioritizing this specific demographic while deporting Venezuelan migrants constitutes systemic racism in immigration policy.Presidential Leadership and Ethics A recently published report details how President Biden's cognitive decline significantly impacted his presidency, revealing struggles with limited productive hours, memory issues, and communication difficulties that progressively worsened. The report suggests Biden resisted acknowledging these limitations, ultimately delaying his withdrawal from the 2024 presidential race until after a poorly received debate performance against Trump. We examine the ethical implications of presidential inner circles concealing health concerns from the public and the moral obligations of advisors in such situations.The Philosophical Question: AI Ethics Development Anthropic's comprehensive analysis of 700,000 Claude AI conversations has revealed the emergence of what appears to be an internal moral framework, with the AI system expressing over 3,000 distinct values that adapt contextually similar to human ethical reasoning. Researchers identified "immovable values" centered on intellectual honesty and harm prevention that Claude actively defends against challenges, suggesting AI systems inevitably make value judgments beyond their explicit programming. We consider the profound question of how these emergent AI ethical frameworks should interact with established human moral codes and societal norms.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Special Guests01:48 Nostalgia and Personal Stories02:41 Current Events and Political Commentary08:41 Education and Vocational Training14:10 Racism in Immigration Policy23:48 Examining Racism and Bigotry in Politics30:09 Cognitive Decline and Leadership Responsibilities39:10 AI and Moral Codes: A New Frontier50:38 Diversity of Experience in Shaping Morality<

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Matt, Shawn, and Levi engage in a thought-provoking discussion about three distinct topics that challenge conventional thinking within their community. The conversation begins with Levi's bold assertion that "self-reliance is a Satanic doctrine," arguing that interdependence rather than self-sufficiency is the true gospel principle. This leads to a nuanced debate about what self-reliance actually means in both spiritual and economic contexts, with Matt defending the church's official position while acknowledging potential misinterpretations.The trio then examines a Gallup/JP Morgan study on entrepreneurship in America, exploring how access to capital and credit scores impact business success, particularly for minority business owners. This evolves into a broader discussion about financial literacy education and whether schools should prioritize teaching practical money management skills.Finally, they challenge the common perception among church members that academia is hostile to religious expression. Drawing from their personal experiences in higher education, Matt and Levi suggest that secular academic institutions are often more welcoming of diverse religious perspectives than commonly believed, potentially more so than religious institutions themselves.Throughout the episode, the hosts maintain their characteristic blend of serious theological discussion, political commentary, and good-natured ribbing, demonstrating their different ideological perspectives while maintaining mutual respect.Episode Topics:The concept of self-reliance in LDS doctrine and its potential misapplicationsFinancial literacy, credit scores, and their impact on entrepreneurial successReligious expression in secular academic settingsThe Ukraine-US Mineral Agreement and its implicationsChapters00:01 - Introduction and catching up 09:11 - Levi's controversial take on self-reliance as a doctrine 26:19 - Discussion of entrepreneurship, capital access, and credit scores 41:15 - The US-Ukraine Mineral Agreement and Trump's foreign policy 48:01 - Religious expression in secular academia