PODCAST · science
The Meaning Code
by Karen Wong
Mapping the universe through discussions about physics, art, economics, philosophy, and more. The search for meaning through connections from one domain of knowledge to another. Finding the code that connects the substructures of the universe. For video recordings of these podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgp_r6WlBwDSJrP43Mz07GQ Find me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/klwong43 View my art here: https://karenwongartcom
Episodes
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Richard A. Watson on Stress and Learning in neural networks and gene regulatory connections
Part of a longer conversation regarding Dr. Watson's theory of Life as a Song. https://youtu.be/_jkgh0oSHkY
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Richard A. Watson on Harmonic Ratios
Part of a longer discussion of Richard's Theory of Everything: Life as a Song https://youtu.be/_jkgh0oSHkY In the description section of that video, you will find links to all five of Richard's videos detailing his theory.
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Richard A. Watson on Guitar Strings, Molecules and Life as a Song
Taken from a longer discussion of Richard's theory of Life as a Song and his ideas that natural selection is no longer a sufficient explanation for biological evolution. https://youtu.be/_jkgh0oSHkY?si=Az8K8UkOyuDFuU0L
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Gavin Ashenden on Reality and Being Fully Alive
Part of a longer conversation that can be found here: https://youtu.be/F3y7gD_2NTI?si=M7bHOa1URoU2nOGp
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Trusting Reality with Esther Meek and Ryan Lewis
Clip of a larger conversation regarding Esther's book, The Mother's Smile: https://youtu.be/SCwA9iGdGx0?si=EmtFXxMLa-n33gB8
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Michael Polanyi's Contact with Reality: Esther Meek and Ryan Lewis
Clip of a larger conversation around Esther's book, The Mother's Smile: https://youtu.be/SCwA9iGdGx0?si=EmtFXxMLa-n33gB8
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Subsidiary Focal Integration (Polanyi) with Esther Meek and Ryan Lewis
From a longer discussion of Esther's book, The Mother's Smile found here: https://youtu.be/SCwA9iGdGx0?si=EmtFXxMLa-n33gB8
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Riding a Bike, Indwelling and Empathy with Esther Meek and Ryan Lewis
Clip of a longer conversation with Esther regarding her book, The Mother's Smile. https://youtu.be/SCwA9iGdGx0?si=EmtFXxMLa-n33gB8
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Moving from Cartesian to Embodied: Esther Meek and Ryan Lewis
From a longer conversation with Esther Meek about her new book, The Mother's Smile. https://youtu.be/SCwA9iGdGx0?si=EmtFXxMLa-n33gB8
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Esther Lightcap Meek, The Mother's Smile, and Ryan Lewis: How can we be in Contact with Reality?
Esther Meek, philosopher, author of Longing to Know, Loving to Know A Little Manual for Knowing, Doorway to Artistry and The Mother's Smile Ryan Lewis, software engineer and counselor (coherence therapy) join to discuss the Cartesian disjoint of modernity and how to indwell reality through a...
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Computational Rap: Recognizing Analogous Patterns: Computational and Linguistic Perspectives on Rap Music
Computational Approaches to Rap Music The link to the video about the arca musarithmica machine we discussed: https://youtu.be/ko3kZr5N61I?si=HWvV_0fBFSIhc2aP Addy and Karen discussed exploring rap music from computational and linguistic perspectives. Polymathing and Creative Cross-Disciplinary...
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Estuary: What is it? Why Join One?
Jason helps to facilitate the Estuary meetings in Portland, OR. In this episode, he gives an introduction to the Estuary way of building community. If you are interested in finding an Estuary near you, or in starting an Estuary where you live, see https://estuaryhub.com
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Travel by Star, a Novel by Paul Scott Grill: Finding the Treasures on the Way Home
Paul Scott Grill (Scott) and Karen discuss the new western fantasy novel, Travel by Star, "a story about carrying burdens, finding purpose, and bearing the light through a world already surrendered to shadow". They reveal his process, the symbolism and the eternal struggle to communicate what we...
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Weaving the Way by Annette Poizner: Exploring the Intersections of Chinese and Jewish Traditions
This interview between Karen and Annette Poizner focuses on Annette's new book "Weaving the Way: Jewish and Chinese Teachings for a Fractured World," about the intersections between Jewish and Chinese wisdom traditions. Annette, a clinical social worker and psychologist, relates how both cultures...
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Elan Barenholtz on Language, Music and Art
How did language develop its rich, complex properties and what led to your epiphany about language’s nature? Elan framed a recent realization that language may possess an internal, self-generative structure revealed by large language models. He argued that modern language models work by learning...
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Breaking the Modern Frame to Find Emotional and Relational Healing
Exploring Lisa Barrett's relational realism and its implications for counseling, linking philosophical, clinical, biological, and spiritual perspectives. The video we are discussing: https://youtu.be/T1b7nEj7IlQ?si=FzNbMcnLRU28NR1j Distinctions between maps and territory; Ryan contrasted a...
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Is the Algorithm Disintegrating your Attention? Save your Mindshare with Headwaterapp.com
Karen and Adam discussed Adam's new YouTube summarization app called Headwater, which helps users quickly understand video content without having to watch entire videos. Adam, a dentist pursuing a master's in computer science, explained his philosophical reflections on computation and technology,...
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The Kingdoms of this World versus the Kingdom of Heaven
From a talk with Annie Crawford about the C S Lewis novel: That Hideous Strength, which she likens to Augustine's City of God with its discussion of the kingdom of heaven versus the kingdoms of this world. The whole talk is here: https://youtu.be/c-_iu0jPfGo?si=6w5ezl5mfZO6G7Xl
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Information about a Physical System is a Record of Choices Made in the Past
Perry Marshall, Author of Evolution 2.0 and creator of the $10 million Evolution 2.0 prize for a patentable theory of the Origin of Information, to be judged by George Church and Denis Noble. Glen, physicist and mathematician who has had many appearances on The Meaning Code discussing information...
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Choose Your Own Path in the Branching Electracy of TLC, a Converzation with Parker
'Electracy, coined by theorist Gregory Ulmer, is the cultural, cognitive, and skill-based shift from print literacy to the digital age, representing the "literacy" for electronic media like the internet, social media, and virtual worlds, emphasizing play, performance, and affective connection…
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Approach the Sacred: Offer Gratitude, Dwell in Humility, Speak Truth and Let the Mercy In.
Dr. Iain McGilchrist and Dr. Chris E W Green join The Meaning Code to speak of the way back from our current wandering in the wilderness. Introductions to the two follow the timestamps, which regrettably only cover the first hour. If anyone wants to add the second hour, go for it. Timestamps…
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Grey Hamilton on Friends, Family and Flourishing
Grey Hamilton, a 28 year old husband and father, joins Karen to discuss relationships, education and the impact of societal changes on family and community dynamics.
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Cassidy Van der Kamp on the Breakwater Festival, coming up November 7-9, 2025
Cassidy joins the Meaning Code to talk about the excitement around the upcoming Breakwater Festival in Culemborg, The Netherlands from November 7-9, 2025 She also fills us in on past conferences, and what to expect at this one. For more information: Breakwater Festival Culemborg, The Netherlands:...
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9 Steps to Build a Life of Meaning by Rick Walker: Redeeming Lost Treasures and Orienting towards a Higher Aim
Rick Walker, Entrepreneur, Podcast Host and Author joins The Meaning Code to discuss his new book, 9 Steps to Build a Life of Meaning, (endorsed by both John Vervaeke and Paul VanderKlay) which tells the hard fought lessons he has learned through trauma, loss and building multiple businesses…
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Play as a Metaphor for understanding the Dynamic and Creative Aspects of Theology and Existence
Chris Green is Professor of Public Theology at Southeastern University (Lakeland, FL), Bishop of the Diocese of St Anthony (CEEC), and Director for St Anthony Institute of Theology, Philosophy, and Liturgics. He is the author and editor of a number of books, including most recently All Things...
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AI, Language and Art through the Lens of Coding, Psychology and Perception
Intersection of AI, Language, and Psychology The hardware and software distinction in language processing. Programming languages build layers of abstraction that relate to human cognition. The Creative Process: Hardware vs. Software Creative process in painting, compared to coding, highlighting…
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an Linguistic Systems: What can we learn from AI about Human Cognition, Memory and Language?
Michael and Karen consider the theories of Elan Barenholtz, an Associate Professor of Psychology at Florida Atlantic University. His self-description: "I use behavioral and embedded computational approaches (i.e. neural networks running in robots) to study the brain and behavior with the goal of...
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Why Isn't Your Story Working? Storycraft analysis of the Narrative Path, Puzzles and Anomalies
Exploring Story Craft and the Intersection of Faith and Hollywood with Justin Wells, filmmaker of documentaries, professor teaching documentary and story craft. On X as @onejwells https://www.youtube.com/@justinsmorningcoffee Seeing Story Structure through the lens of Complexity Theory Justin...
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Infinite and Finite, Call and Response, What We Do Matters
Matthew Allison discusses the metaphysical and theological implications of infinity plus the influence of dualism and Gnosticism on philosophical discussions. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:30 Matthew on the Infinite 06:00 Heidegger 06:55 Wittgenstein 08:00 The significance of chiasms in biblical…
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The Depths of Time: an Exploration of Julian Barbour's Theory of Ratios
Karen and Haris explore Julian Barbour's theory of time and the universe, "nothing without ratios" while discussing the role of ratios in both mathematical theories and artistic expression.
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AI Researcher and C S Lewis Scholar discuss Language, Randomness, Agency and Integrating Two Worlds
Balazs Kegl, Head of AI Research for Huawei Paris, meets Annie Crawford, C S Lewis Scholar, to discover the crossovers between AI research and Lewis' concept of transposition of the higher into the lower, also looking at Michael Levin's Bowtie Theory, Chiastic Structures and Modes of Knowing....
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The Unbelievable Complexities of Music: Lenses, Ancient and Modern
Drew, with a master's in ethnomusicology and a voracious interest in all things music, joins The Meaning Code today to open up the ancient view of music as relationships, balance, proportion. Through the lens of Aristoxenus and Boethius, we explore -memory as the mother of the muses -the original...
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Metamodernism, Transcending Critique, Optimal Degrees of Freedom and the Return of Board Games
Brendan Graham Dempsey and Cory Barker help Karen to gain a greater understanding of Metamodernism. Brendan is writer, poet, farmer, and systems thinker. As Director of Sky Meadow Institute, he works on productively bridging the divide between science and spirituality. Cory has a Master of Arts…
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C. S. Lewis' Essays on Transposition and Bulverism
Brantley Vosler, host of the Transposition Podcast, joins Karen to talk about C S Lewis' essay of that name, as well as Lewis' argument against Bulverism. Along the way, we dive into the symbolism of Silo! Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:00 Exploring the Concept of Transposition 09:08 The…
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Neal asks: Is beauty an independent force in nature, or is it merely a projection of human values?
Neal initiated a discussion on the intersection of evolutionary principles and human social phenomena, particularly in relation to organizations and art. He critiqued the dominant scientific perspective that views beauty as a byproduct of natural selection, proposing instead that beauty and…
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Seeing Progressivism through the Rear View Mirror
Karen Wong and Joy Frimpong engage in a conversation about progressivism, exploring how Joy's educational experiences contributed to her understanding of the ideology. Joy notes that while she can't point to a specific moment of indoctrination, the influence of media and cultural narratives…
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Tyler on pathfinding algorithms for building education, complex information networks and community.
Tyler Hollett, a problem-solver and facilitator within Discord communities, shares insights from his journey through various online spaces and the creation of the Metagora project, which aims to streamline educational curricula within a community setting. They conclude by discussing the potential...
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The Narrative Format of Language, Art-making and Consciousness
Michael has been a regular on The Meaning Code discussing such topics as Owen Barfield, data compression and radical orthodoxy, and today, he joins to consider the meaning and role of narrative. Topics Covered: Exploring Particle Self-Organization The Limits of Objective Perspective in Science…
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Artistic Expression as a Path to a Healed Life: The Art of Lester Rapaport
Much of this conversation can be enjoyed In podcast form, but if you want to see Lester's art during the discussion, the YouTube format would be better. https://youtu.be/DsLS-vojqt4 A rich dialogue between Karen Wong and Lester Rappaport, focusing on their artistic journeys and the intellectual...
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The Transforming Power of Constant Surprise: Further Up and Further In
Brantley Vosler is a worship pastor and joins Karen to talk about the nature of meaning as it relates to music, as a language and as a path forward.
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The concept of risk understood through the lens of human cognition and pattern recognition.
Haris, computer scientist, mathematician and student of the classics, joins Karen to discuss the concept of risk understood through the lens of human cognition and pattern recognition. Timestamps: 00:00 Exploration of Meta-Hypotheses and Platonic Philosophy 07:30 Mount St. Helens and Ecosystem...
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William Dembski on Complex Specified Information and The No Free Lunch Theorem
A noted mathematician and philosopher, William A. Dembski is a Founding and Senior Fellow with Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture and a Distinguished Fellow with the Institute’s Walter Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence. His most recent books relating to...
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A Sociologist Walks into a Conference and Interesting Things Happen: Encountering Face to Face
Clara Gaddie, graduate student at University of Notre Dame in Sociology, has been studying This Little Corner for awhile now, and she took the opportunity of attending the Estuary Northwest Conference in Olympia to check it out, encountering Face to Face.
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Price as the Cognitive Glue of Multiple Intelligences: Ben Lyon and Marcus Shera on Economics and Biology
Ben Lyons recently gave a talk on Michael Levin's Academic Channel with his theory that price in economics relates to Levin's theory of bio electricity as the cognitive glue of collective intelligence. Marcus Shera, expert in Austrian Economics, joins us to discuss this theory and how it might...
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Thoughts on the Estuary Northwest 2024 Conference: Encountering Face to Face, Lauren and Kara
Lauren and Kara were new to TLC and still got up the courage to attend the Northwest Estuary Conference in Olympia, WA. We talk about their experience.
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The Foundations of Archdisciplinarity, Cory David Barker, et al: The Arch of Universal Computability
Karen and Cory David Barker discuss the book "Foundations of Arch Disciplinarity" and the contributions of Brendan Graham Dempsey starting with Cory's early life and his interest in comparative religion and Carl Jung's work, which led him to develop archidisciplinarity, including scopes of…
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Recurring Patterns in the Fractal Nature of the Cosmos
Michael Bull, author of Bible Matrix and numerous other works joins Tomer Solomon to discuss the question, "Is the chiastic structure a literary device or does it reflect a deep core pattern of reality?" Tomer draws on his knowledge of Arthur Young's Reflexive Universe and A. N. Whitehead's…
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Jordan Hall and Michael Levin: Bowtie, Identity, Hyperobject, Synchronicity, Salience and OODA Loops
Michael Levin, developmental and synthetic biologist from Tufts U meets Jordan Hall, pioneer of disruptive technologies. What's the crossover? Come along to find out! Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:34 Bowtie concept in cognitive systems 08:54 Collective Intelligence and Embodiment 17:15 Markets and...
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Austrian Economics and Systems Biology: Price, Value and Profit as Scale Invariant concepts
Can the price mechanism be seen in biology? Signups for Olympia Face to Face conference at: https://estuarynorthwest2024.com Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 23:01 How is the price mechanism influenced by collective intelligence? 27:06 What is the role of subjective value in determining prices? 44:43 How...
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Individuality, Subjectivity and Intuition: a Dissection of Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson Part 1
Olena and Karen explore specific paragraphs of "Maps of Meaning" regarding the implications of individuality and subjectivity in Peterson's teachings, highlighting the complex dynamics in personal growth and interaction with others as well as the nuanced relationship between humility and…
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Mapping the universe through discussions about physics, art, economics, philosophy, and more. The search for meaning through connections from one domain of knowledge to another. Finding the code that connects the substructures of the universe. For video recordings of these podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgp_r6WlBwDSJrP43Mz07GQ Find me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/klwong43 View my art here: https://karenwongartcom
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