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The Messy Roots Podcast

by Mario Jovan Shaw

A podcast for Coaches of Color! Messy Roots is a community that offers services to grow current and aspiring coaches of color. We imagine a world where leaders of color have access to coaches and resources to continue growing in the art of coaching. Each week, Mario shares tips to support coaches of color to better their practice. He also invites coaches and leaders on to share their journey. messyroots.substack.com

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Episodes

  1. Episode 52: It was Necessary

    My People, On this episode of the Messy Roots podcast, I am excited to share my reflection from the Coaches of Color Convening! We are literally building a movement that will forver change how we support leaders on the ground doing amazing work! This is the time to show them who you are! I’m...

  2. Episode 51: We Ready For Y'all!

    Growers, I'm thrilled about the upcoming Coaches of Color Convening! I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing everyone. However, here's the truth: Do I actually enjoy conferences? Tune in to this week's episode of the Messy Roots Podcast to find out! Love Y’all For Free, Mario Jovan This is a public...

  3. Episode 50: 10 Years In The Coaching Game

    Growers, To mark the 50th episode milestone of the Messy Roots Podcast, I believed it fitting to recount my personal journey into coaching! In this episode, I outline the path that led me into coaching and share the valuable lessons I gained at each stage. Whether you're just starting or...

  4. Episode 49: Ok.. Let's Talk About The $200K

    Growers, A lot of you might have seen our end-of-year statistics, and to be completely frank, I was also taken aback! I won't deceive you—$200K wasn't the target. Our aim was $125K, and I would have been content with achieving just that! However, there was a different plan in store, and I'm...

  5. Episode 48: Mind Your Energy w/Eric Cox

    Growers, Welcome back from the break! As you embark on your journey through 2024, I urge you to be mindful of the energy you carry within you. In this episode, we are joined by Eric Cox, an AFPA Certified Health & Wellness Coach, to delve into the topic of our energy. I recently mentioned to a...

  6. Episode 47: How Are You A Value Add?

    As you're aware, within just 1.5 years, we've successfully partnered with numerous organizations and leaders! I'm frequently asked by leaders about our approach. I firmly believe that comprehending your value addition is pivotal. Entering each conversation with confidence, fully aware of what you...

  7. Episode 46: One The Way Part 3 w/ Justdamessanger

    In this three-part series, I join forces with Justdamessanger to delve into his path to leadership and his evolution as a poet. This discussion is tailored for leaders with a creative flair who might grapple with compartmentalizing their impact and navigating their path forward. I'm thrilled for...

  8. Episode 45: On The Way Part 2 w/ Justdamessanger

    In this three-part series, I join forces with Justdamessanger to delve into his path to leadership and his evolution as a poet. This discussion is tailored for leaders with a creative flair who might grapple with compartmentalizing their impact and navigating their path forward. I'm thrilled for...

  9. Episode 44: On The Way Part 1 w/Justdamessanger

    In this three-part series, I join forces with Justdamessanger to delve into his path to leadership and his evolution as a poet. This discussion is tailored for leaders with a creative flair who might grapple with compartmentalizing their impact and navigating their path forward. I'm thrilled for...

  10. Episode 43: Relationships Beyond Monogamy

    In today's episode of The Messy Roots Podcast, we're joined by Rich Faison, a seasoned Relationship Coach! Our conversation delves into the profound influence relationships exert on various facets of our lives, extending beyond romantic connections. Rich will be sharing practical insights on how,...

  11. Episode 42: Coaching Is a Sport

    Growers, I'm genuinely thrilled to present today's episode because it resonates with me on such a deep ass level. Growing up, I had the privilege of participating in sports, particularly Tennis, which I wholeheartedly embraced. During the summer months in Cleveland, I dedicated myself to honing…

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  12. Episode 41: I Got A Bad Habit!

    When you're aiming for change, zero in on your habits. It's undeniably one of the toughest concepts to fully grasp, yet it's incredibly real! This is the reality check you need when striving to grow as a coach and make the most of the 4th quarter. A focus on your habits will unveil some blind…

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  13. Episode 39: Should I Become Certified?

    The debate in the coaching world about whether certification is necessary is indeed a significant one. Before you hear my perspective, take a moment to reflect on the advantages of both sides. Also, consider how other industries with similar systems may have inadvertently created barriers that...

  14. Episode 38: Would Your Childhood Story Be Banned!?

    You know, the most astonishing question I've ever pondered is whether my childhood story would be banned if it were a book. Without a doubt, the answer is a resounding yes! It's incredibly surreal to think about! This is precisely why I'm so passionate about fighting against book bans. I'm…

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  15. Episode 37: What Is Your Worthy Cause!?

    As franchise coaches, it's imperative that we extend our efforts beyond the coaching sessions to cultivate an environment where our clients can thrive. While traditional coaching may confine itself to the session, a franchise coach takes up the mantle of advocating for a cause that will yield...

  16. Episode 36: Seize The Opportunity

    Imagine the incredible opportunities that await you on this journey towards becoming a franchise coach! It's truly enchanting to embrace experiences that open your eyes to new perspectives of the world and yourself. Take a moment to recognize the signs around you every day, urging you to seize an...

  17. Episode 35: Where Are Your Resources?!

    Day 3, and the countdown continues with just 7 more days until the big announcement! Alright, let's dive into something I'm really passionate about—resources! In today's episode, a part of our series, "The 4th Quarter Coach," we're going to explore how we can gather tools that not only facilitate...

  18. Episode 35: From Good to Great!

    In today's discussion, we delve into the essence of being a franchise coach. To assist you on this journey, we've crafted an acronym: G.R.O.W. In our current session, our spotlight is on the "G." Let's explore and grow together! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with…

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  19. Episode 34: 4th Quarter Coach Day 1: Franchise Coach

    Growers, We have two exciting updates to share with you! First, we're thrilled to announce the launch of our 4th Quarter Coach Series. Over the course of 10 days, we'll be providing valuable coaching tips to help you make the most of the fourth quarter. And that's not all—on October 10th, the…

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  20. Episode 33: Witness Stand

    Growers, Can you recall a time when you lived without the weight of judgment, freely and authentically? It's a rarity, isn't it? Exactly! We all possess the capacity to care about others' opinions. Despite our desire to rise above it, the truth is, many of us grapple with accepting this reality....

  21. Episode 32: To Note or Not

    Growers, Somehow, the most contention in coaching often revolves around whether or not to take notes during coaching sessions. This is the most common question I receive from new coaches. Interestingly, the two coaching schools I attended held contrasting views on this matter; one advocated for...

  22. Episode 31: What Is Your Intention?

    Growers, This new episode of the Messy Roots podcast is all about how we can be intentional as coaches. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit messyroots.substack.com

  23. Episode 30: All Coaches of Color

    Growers, With heartfelt joy, we proudly declare the opening of our arms to embrace coaches of every shade and hue. What once began as a haven exclusively for men of color has now blossomed into a radiant garden of inclusivity. The decision to broaden our community, fostering an even richer…

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  24. Midweek Bonus: Messy Perspectives Part 2

    Growers, I am super excited for this midweek bonus episode with my friend and coach Peter Callahan! Together, we did a two part series to discuss some taboo subjects related to coaching! Both of us didn't hold anything back! I think it can be really helpful to hear from two coaches discuss topics...

  25. Episode 29: Back To The Basics Part 3

    Growers, In our final part of the series, I want us to find time to return to the roots of who we are. In this episode, I ask you to imagine yourself as a tree and all of the components that make up that tree. Who in your life is watering you and providing you with nourishment? How can you...

  26. Episode 28: Back To The Basics Part 2

    Growers, Last week we began our three-part series on Back to the Basics. We can use these practical tools to rejuvenate and recharge as we return to work. This week, we are focusing on storytelling! What is the story that we tell in our heads? How can we utilize positive memories to shape our...

  27. Episode 27: Back To The Basics Part 1

    Growers, We are beginning a new series to support many of our coaches that work in the education field. Over 90% of our members are educators. Therefore, we want to send you something unique and tools you can use for a successful year. In this three-part series, we will meditate, get back to our...

  28. Episode 26: When Failure Is A Part Of The System

    Growers, Last weeked, we hosted our first Messy Roots Retreat for Coaches and Leaders. The conversations were nourishing to say the least! Headed into and out of the conference, I pondered on how we utilize failures. Sometimes, I find myself numb to the failures in my life. In fact, I have used...

  29. Episode 25: What About Teachers That Makes Them Great Coaches?

    Growers, Over 80% of our aspiring leadership coaches in Messy Roots are teachers. To be honest, I've been hesitant to bring this up! I've been chatting about this data with my leadership coach and business consultant for the past three months. Here's the reality: folks want to control their…

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  30. Episode 24: Why It's Important To Have a Coaching Niche?

    Growers, As coaches, it's so important to have a niche. I'll be honest; discovering your niche can be frustrating as you try to figure out your clientele. However, figuring it out and sticking to it can be a game-changer! Many beginning coaches start off too broad, which be overwhelming and...

  31. Episode 23: Son of The Hustle Part 4 - The Pattern

    In this final four-part series with my dad, we focused on raising queer kids of color. My dad revealed some secrets he's never shared. Expressing them out loud provided some healing not only for my dad but also myself. More importantly, this episodeallowed to look inward and notice certain…

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  32. Episode 22: Son of The Hustle Part 3 - The Hustler Was Born

    This is part 3 of a 4-part series. I sat down with my dad in this series to discuss fatherhood, leadership, and queer identity. June is the month for Pride and Father's Day. In par 3, my dad and I discuss my upbringing. We engage in conversation around raising a queer child and how you expose…

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  33. Episode 21: Son of The Hustle Part 2 - Experience Feed Your Hustle

    This is part 2 of a 4-part series. I sat down with my dad in this series to discuss fatherhood, leadership, and queer identity. June is the month for Pride and Father's Day. Part 2 is all about experiences! I believe that experiences are the greatest teachers. Our perspectives and stories shift...

  34. Episode 20: Son of The Hustle Part 1 - Birth of The Hustle

    This is part 1 of a 4-part series. I sat down with my dad in this series to discuss fatherhood, leadership, and queer identity. June is the month for Pride and Father's Day. Part 1 is all about taking in the stories of our ancestors and loved ones. What is the journey before us to be where we are...

  35. Episode 19: Keep That Chip On Your Shoulder

    I listened to the Seattle Seahawks Coach, Pete Carroll, on the Adam Grant podcast discuss how to push through adversity and discomfort. He specifically focused on being fired as a coach. Rather than choosing to be disappointed, he used it as a point of strength and to his advantage. Today he is...

  36. Episode 18: Be Extraordinary

    We are celebrating the first anniversary of Messy Roots! What does it mean for you to maximize your purpose and potential? It’s time for us to be extraordinary, and will it take for us to get there? We have to tap into something greater than us! We can’t allow ourselves to get in the way and must...

  37. Episode 17: Use The Thorn

    What is something that you would consider to be a pain point? Pain points include being stuck in a role, lacking creative energy, losing a friend/loved one, or not fitting in with the crowd. We are often more stuck with a pain point than we like to admit. Pain points can feel like a thorn in our...

  38. Episode 16: What Did The Trees Say To Me?

    Last week it rained like cats and dogs! I was over it, but I heard through the grapevine that some of you found it relaxing. You released yourself from the pressure of doing. Cheers to you, but I, on the other hand, was not having it! Rain for one or even two days is cool, but the whole week is a...

  39. Episode 15: It's Gonna Be May!

    Happy May! We are counting down the days until Messy Roots' first anniversary! On May 21st, we embarked on a journey to provide more leadership and coaching support for men of color! In just a little over a year, we have been able to impact leaders worldwide! I had to believe I was being called…

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  40. Episode 14 - The Roots Retreat Part 2

    Habari Gani is a tool that I keep in my leadership toolbelt. I bring it wherever I go. The phrase means, "What good news do you bring?" At the end of team meetings, folks share their good news. They can share something professional or personal. In the past, team members have shared engagements,...

  41. Episode 13 - The Roots Retreat Part 1

    Over the weekend, we hosted The Roots Retreat for male leaders of color worldwide. The Roots retreat was created to give men of color the power to be intentional about their next move. We will explore ourselves, our relationships, and their impact on the world. Listen as our Growers (members)…

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  42. Episode 12 - Spring Back... Just a Little

    During this season, I have recognized my own patterns. I'm typically anxious to get things done and overworking myself. Stopping for a moment to recollect my thoughts before getting things done helps me be more productive and more aligned with my vision. This episode and the entire week are about...

  43. Episode 11 - Examining Your Leadership Health.

    Many of us take ourselves to the doctor, but how often do we get a leadership check-up? Specifically, you need space to reflect on your leadership if you're leading teams. In this episode, we give ourselves a leadership check-up. Are you well, my friend? To schedule a free coaching discovery…

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  44. Episode 10 - Celebrating 10 Episodes! Dominate Before You Elevate!

    In this episode, Mario celebrates 10 episodes of the Messy Root's Podcast! He also reflects on how we can continue developing our craft by knowing when to stay or go! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit...

  45. Episode 9 - What If Love Was At Your Table?

    Many people share how hard it is to date as a leader! No matter how difficult it may be, data shows that your leadership traits improve when you are in a positive relationship with someone. Therefore, we must get out there and date for my single people! In this episode, Mario shares a few tips he...

  46. Episode 8: How To Build Community? Part 2 Cause We Need It!

    In this episode, Mario gives us another angle on how we can build community. Hint: It starts with yourself! How do you trust yourself to be in the community with others? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit...

  47. Episode 7 - How To Build Community?

    In this episode, Mario discusses why being in a community with other people is so important. We are not designed to live alone. In order to survive, we must be in community with others. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus...

  48. Episode 6 - Purpose Over Fame

    Fame is one hell of a drug! It can cripple you if you aren't level-headed. That's why I push my clients to focus on their purpose. We all want to leave a legacy, but we cannot compromise our values by achieving them. Let's focus more on our purpose and how we can grow rather than diminish...

  49. Episode 5 - A Moment of Grace

    We can't be hard on ourselves! We worked too hard to get to this moment. One of my friends shared that she went further in her career not by working hard but by resting and giving herself grace. I believe we all deserve grace. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other...

  50. Episode 4- I want to love me more!

    In this episode, mario shares how you can love yourself more. When times are hard, how can leaders lean on love? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit messyroots.substack.com

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A podcast for Coaches of Color! Messy Roots is a community that offers services to grow current and aspiring coaches of color. We imagine a world where leaders of color have access to coaches and resources to continue growing in the art of coaching. Each week, Mario shares tips to support coaches of color to better their practice. He also invites coaches and leaders on to share their journey.

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How many episodes does The Messy Roots Podcast have?

The Messy Roots Podcast has 53 episodes on PodParley. The most recent episode was published on February 12, 2024.

What is The Messy Roots Podcast about?

A podcast for Coaches of Color! Messy Roots is a community that offers services to grow current and aspiring coaches of color. We imagine a world where leaders of color have access to coaches and resources to continue growing in the art of coaching. Each week, Mario shares tips to support coaches...

How often does The Messy Roots Podcast release new episodes?

The Messy Roots Podcast publishes weekly, based on its 53 episodes since January 2023.

Who hosts The Messy Roots Podcast?

The Messy Roots Podcast is created and hosted by Mario Jovan Shaw.
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