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The Muni 360 Podcast from New York Life Investment Management
by New York Life Investments
The seasoned, active investors at MacKay Municipal Managers provide valuable insights into the highly fragmented, complex, and inefficient municipal bond market. With topics that can range from public policy, market technicals, and municipal strategies for clients to consider, tune in to our monthly in-depth conversations for the team’s latest views on the municipal market.MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company.
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Healthcare Sector Checkup
Healthcare bond issuance is up 63% year-over-year. Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Rate Backup, NYC Credit & Finding Opportunity in Volatility
The municipal bond market is navigating a period of rising rates, shifting demand, and headline-driven narratives but the underlying story may be more stable than it seems. In this episode of Muni 360, host Eric Kazatsky is joined by Jack Muller from the credit desk at MacKay Municipal Managers. They look at what has been driving the recent backup in rates across the yield curve, why the move in munis is largely a treasury story, and what that means for investors who are paying attention right now. Eric and Jack also address the noise surrounding New York City's bond market and walk through why the fundamentals there remain on solid ground despite the headlines. For anyone trying to separate what actually matters from what is just market chatter, this episode offers a grounded look at where things stand and why the current environment may be worth leaning into. Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. SMRU: 8795788 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Robust First Quarter New Issue Supply
In the first quarter of 2026, municipal bond new issuance remained solid despite a more challenging backdrop by the end of the quarter. Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Take Comfort In Munis, Even During Volatile Times
We take comfort in the current strength and historical resiliency of municipal credit especially given geopolitical uncertainty and concerns around private markets. Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Geopolitical Risk, Private Credit Stress & Why Munis Are Different
Markets are facing a great deal of uncertainty right now. Geopolitical tensions, rising interest rates, and signs of stress in parts of the private credit market are prompting investors to ask new questions. In this episode of Muni 360: Weekly Wrap Up, host Eric Kazatsky sits down with Jack Muller, CFA, to discuss what’s happening across the broader market and what it could mean for municipal bond investors. Eric and Jack also explore the key structural differences between private credit and municipal bonds, including issuer profiles, revenue stability, leverage structures, transparency, and liquidity. Listen to the full episode to hear their perspective on how these trends are shaping today’s market and what investors should be watching next. Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. SMRU: 8743814 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Volatility meets opportunities in longer duration
Despite persistent market volatility and steady supply, demand for municipal bonds remains resilient. Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Risk-Off Headlines, Resilient Munis
A week of geopolitical shock sent equities lower and oil higher, but municipal credit held up evidenced by strong inflows and steady demand Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Supportive Tailwinds and Compelling Tax-Adjusted Income
Municipals still offer attractive tax-adjusted yields even after strong YTD net fund flows. Follow Us Twitter @NYLInvestments Twitter @MacKayMuniMgrs Facebook @NYLInvestments LinkedIn: New York Life Investments LinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Credit Themes and State Policy Spotlight
The municipal bond market kicked off 2026 with strength but volatility, supply dynamics, and state-level policy are already shaping the road ahead.In this Weekly Wrap Up, host Eric Kazatsky is joined by Jack Muller, CFA, Credit Analyst at MacKay Municipal Managers, to break down the latest muni insights. They explore why munis have outperformed taxable fixed income so far this year, how richening ratios reflect continued demand, and why investors are keeping a close eye on credit fundamentals. The conversation zooms in on California’s improved fiscal outlook and the proposed wealth tax ballot initiative, as well as Florida’s potential property tax reform and what both mean for municipal credit.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8683632 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Healthcare and Education Sector Technicals
Supply and demand picture in these sectors Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Primary Market Deals
A closer look at the Taxable Municipal Market Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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What’s Driving Muni Ratios?
We walk through factors driving ratios so far this year. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Higher Ed Munis: 2-Minute View
We discuss our outlook for 2026 on the higher education sector Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Discipline Drives Differentiated Results in 2026
A new year brings new market dynamics and fresh insight for municipal investors looking to stay ahead in 2026.In this episode, host Eric Kazatsky is joined by Mike Denlinger, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, to walk through the team’s Top Five Insights for 2026. From the resilience of essential service revenue bonds to the dispersion emerging in high yield, Mike shares what themes and strategies matter most in the current environment.They break down curve positioning, taxable muni opportunities, and how active flexibility can uncover value where passive strategies fall short. If you’re positioning muni portfolios for the year ahead, this conversation is packed with data-backed takeaways.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8563817 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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2026 New Issue Supply Forecast
Many street estimates are expecting 2026 to be in the $600 billion range Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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A Solid Second Half Sets the Tone
Markets found new footing in the second half of 2025, as technicals improved, long duration rallied, and investor sentiment turned more constructive. But what does that mean as we look toward 2026?In this episode, host Chris Roberti welcomes back Matt Hage, Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, joining from the firm’s Los Angeles trading desk. They unpack the factors behind muni performance this year, including curve dynamics, the impact of steady inflows, and why the long end of the curve remains well bid. Matt also shares why political noise isn’t moving markets much, what’s really changed in the credit landscape, and where he sees opportunity heading into 2026, especially in the housing sector. There’s a lot to take away here, especially if you're navigating muni allocation decisions as we head into the new year. Listen in to get Matt’s latest insights straight from the desk.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8633803.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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New Issuance Is Being Absorbed Well
Recent new issue municipal debt deals were oversubscribed. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Post-Shutdown, What’s Next for Munis?
A look at the week’s well-received — and not-so-well-received — new issue municipal debt deals. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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A Strong Fall Municipal Market with Opportunities
Municipal bonds have shown meaningful strength this fall, with performance building across the curve and investor sentiment improving. In this episode, host Chris Roberti is joined by Francis Adarkwa, Research Analyst at MacKay Municipal Managers, for his debut appearance direct from the trading desk in Los Angeles.They discuss what’s driving recent returns, how nontraditional buyers are influencing the long end of the curve, and why the team remains constructive even amid rate uncertainty and political headlines. Francis also breaks down the current credit landscape—highlighting healthcare systems as a key sector to watch—and explains where he’s seeing attractive relative value opportunities today.If you’re evaluating positioning into year‑end or thinking about re‑allocating from cash-like instruments, this conversation provides timely perspective on where the market stands and where value may be forming next.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8567530.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Municipal Bonds After the Ballot
A rundown on election results and their impacts to the municipal bond market Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Primary Market Deals
Deals pricing this week, highlighting the large ones Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Gas prepay sector and its growth
Deals pricing this week in gas prepay sector Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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A Stronger Market Tone Where Opportunities Persist
Momentum is building in the muni market and despite ongoing uncertainty, opportunity is still out there.In this episode, host Chris Roberti welcomes back Ian France, Research Analyst and Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, for a timely look at what’s shaping the current tone of the municipal bond market. They unpack September’s strong performance, why long-end munis are still attractively priced, and what’s behind the steepness in the curve. Ian also breaks down credit fundamentals, inflation expectations, and how active managers are thinking about portfolio positioning and risk in a market that remains technically challenged.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8458785.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Spooky Seasonality, Compelling Opportunity
Typical seasonal patterns looking ahead to positive technicals Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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From Rally to Opportunity
September’s rally could give way to an opportunity to buy the dip in October Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Back to Basics
In this episode of Muni 360, host Eric Kazatsky sits down with Scott Sprauer, Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, for a timely discussion on why municipal bonds remain a compelling option in today’s shifting market.From Fed policy and supply dynamics to the resilience of muni credit quality, Scott explains how active management and smart curve positioning can unlock opportunities for investors. He also shares why elevated supply is the new norm, why municipal yields are competitive against other fixed-income classes, and how investors should consider reallocating cash as the Fed begins its rate-cutting cycle.Tune in now for practical insights that highlight why municipals remain a cornerstone for long-term, tax-efficient portfolios.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8364320.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Ideas across the muni curve
Two ideas at different spots on the curve Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Curve Appeal
Our view is that OBBBA’s actual financial impact to states will be small, and quite manageable. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Hospitals Prove Durability in a Dynamic Environment
Healthcare has been one of the most dynamic pockets of the market uniquely facing the challenges of pandemic and now Medicaid challenges with the passing of the OBBA, however hospitals have remained resilient evidenced by improving median metrics.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKayShields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life InsuranceCompany. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, ofcertain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8311303.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Attractive Levels Garnering Attention
Issuance is up, the curve is steepening, and tax policy is finally clear—conditions that have muni investors taking a closer look.In this episode, host Chris Roberti is joined by Matt Hage, Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, for a timely look at market dynamics and positioning. Matt shares why issuance is running 20% above last year’s record pace, how shifts in the curve are opening long-term opportunities, and what the “One Big Beautiful Bill” means for tax policy and sector risk. They also discuss credit fundamentals, potential catalysts for a rally, and why active management may be better equipped than passive strategies in today’s environment.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8252992.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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States vs. OBBBA: Financial Fallout Overhyped?
Our view is that OBBBA’s actual financial impact to states will be small, and quite manageable. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Now is the time to build-in durable tax-exempt income
The difference in yields between the 2 year and 30 year points on the municipal yield curve is the highest it’s been in 5 years. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Crossover Buyers Are In. Should You Be Too?
Crossover buyers recently started investing in munis Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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2025 Top Five Insights – Mid-Year Update
The muni market in 2025 is marked by heavy issuance, steeper curves, and clear tax policy—and investors are watching how it all plays out.In this episode, host Eric Kazatsky welcomes back Mike Denlinger, Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, for a midyear review of their Top 5 Insights. They unpack what’s actually driving underperformance so far this year, why the tax exemption remains intact, and how sector-specific credit risks are shaping opportunity. Mike also shares his outlook for the second half, what’s shifting in demand, and why now might be the time to lean in, especially on the long end of the curve.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8128367.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Our approach to the tax-exempt high yield market
MacKay Municipal Managers’ philosophy on high yield munis.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Year to Date Trends Persist
The muni market in 2025 is shaped by shifting supply, political headlines, and an evolving rate environment and investors are watching closely.In this episode, host Chris Roberti is joined by Ian France, Credit Analyst and Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, to unpack the key trends so far this year. From elevated new issuance and lackluster flows to cheapened ratios and sector-specific risks, Ian offers a clear-eyed view of what’s driving market behavior. They discuss credit dynamics post-U.S. downgrade, why healthcare is under the microscope, and how the latest federal legislation impacts tax exemption. The conversation also highlights the value of active management and where opportunities exist on the curve, especially in AMT bonds and long-duration credits.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 8055098.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Oversubscriptions highlight the level of demand
New deals are seeing oversubscriptions. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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The Importance of Municipal to Treasury Ratios
We explain why municipal to treasury ratios are important to municipal bond investors. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Worth its SALT: Why this policy debate matters to municipal bond investors
We explain the State and Local Tax deduction cap and the extent to which it impacts municipal bond investors Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Your purchase yield is critical
Absolute yields in municipals are attractive and the yield at which you purchase fixed income is critical. Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Dislocations Lead to Opportunities
Despite persistent volatility and a looming rate pivot, the fixed income market is showing signs of renewed opportunity – if you know where to look.IIn this episode, host Chris Roberti is joined by Scott Sprauer, Senior Portfolio Manager at MacKay Municipal Managers, to explore the evolving dynamics in the municipal market. The conversation covers the growing appeal of high-quality, high-yield munis, the impact of constrained supply, and how investors are shifting duration strategies in anticipation of rate cuts. Chris and Scott dig into key themes driving the market, including tax-aware investing, spread compression, credit fundamentals, and the importance of nimble, active management in today’s environment. With thoughtful commentary on the macro backdrop, and practical insights for portfolio positioning, this episode is essential listening for anyone navigating the muni landscape.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 7936190.1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Taxable Muni Issuance Rising
Issuance for taxable muni’s is up 29% compared to the same time last year Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Resilient Demand
Continued resilient demand amid strong supply for the year provides insights into valuations Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal Managers Presented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Supply Wave
The ongoing new issue supply wave continues to create opportunities for active managers Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Navigating with Discipline
Uncertainty in the municipal bond market isn’t new but how you respond to it makes all the difference. With spreads widening, rates rising, and liquidity tight, active management is being put to the test.In this episode, host Chris Roberti is joined by Matt Hage, Portfolio Manager and Trader at MacKay Municipal Managers, speaking from the firm’s trading desk in Los Angeles. Matt shares real-time insights on what’s shaping the municipal bond market this spring, covering issuance trends, political uncertainty, liquidity challenges, and the valuation backdrop clients are watching closely. Chris and Matt unpack what’s working in today’s portfolios, how active management is navigating recent volatility, and why the current muni setup may be one of the most compelling in years. They also talk credit fundamentals, portfolio positioning, and how investors should be thinking about duration risk going forward.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 7862272 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Dislocations Create Opportunities
A discussion around recent market volatility Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Higher Education Sector Update
A discussion around how policy changes might impact the higher education sector Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Tax-exemption status – To be or not to be?
A discussion around tax-exemption status of municipal bonds Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Capitalizing on Municipal Market Nuances
Host Chris Roberti welcomes Portfolio Manager and Trader Sunny Gill from the MacKay Municipal Managers trading desk in Los Angeles. They discuss key themes shaping the municipal bond market in 2025, including rate volatility, increasing supply, and credit fundamentals. Sunny provides insights on how investors can identify opportunities amid shifting economic conditions and why active management remains essential in a complex market. They also break down the impact of Fed rate cuts, tax-adjusted yield comparisons, and sector positioning strategies that could benefit muni investors this year. Tune in for expert insights to help guide your municipal investment decisions.Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.comMacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company.SMRU: 7684023 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Supply Wave Creates Opportunities
Issuance ticked up in the higher education sector, with various results Follow UsTwitter @NYLInvestmentsTwitter @MacKayMuniMgrsFacebook @NYLInvestmentsLinkedIn: New York Life InvestmentsLinkedIn: MacKay Municipal ManagersPresented by New York Life Investmentswww.newyorklifeinvestments.com MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company. “New York Life Investments” is both a service mark, and the common trade name, of certain investment advisors affiliated with New York Life Insurance Company. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
The seasoned, active investors at MacKay Municipal Managers provide valuable insights into the highly fragmented, complex, and inefficient municipal bond market. With topics that can range from public policy, market technicals, and municipal strategies for clients to consider, tune in to our monthly in-depth conversations for the team’s latest views on the municipal market.MacKay Municipal Managers is a team of portfolio managers at MacKay Shields. MacKay Shields is 100% owned by NYLIM Holdings, which is wholly owned by New York Life Insurance Company.
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