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The Rest Is Money
by Goalhanger
Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories.Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market.Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, including market regulations, economic recovery, and the forces shaping the future of work. Robert and Steph bring you the latest insights from influential leaders and top entrepreneurs, making this podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in business growth, financial trends, and the evolving economic lands
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312. What's missing from Healey's growth plan?
The chancellor says we're turning a corner, but into what? He wants ministers to take more risks, so what does that mean? Why was their nothing that directly addresses the UK’s vulnerability to a debt crisis? The North is getting a new fund for businesses to scale up - will it make a difference? And what can we learn from microchipping cats? Robert and Steph dissect the Chancellor's first big speech announcing plans to remove barriers for investment, cutting red tape, tackling risk aversion and getting PuFins to invest more in the private sector. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producer: Bella Soames General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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311. Why is the US debt crisis a big problem for Burnham?
Are we at risk of a global financial crisis? What’s driving it? And why is the UK being punished more than other countries? Is reforming the pensions triple lock part of the answer? It’s been a wild time on the bond markets, with UK gilts yields at record highs. Robert and Steph explain why global inflation, the state of government borrowing and US tech firms turning to the debt markets for AI build out, is a big deal for the UK. Plus they discuss what it means for the chancellor ahead of the Budget on the 28th October. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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310. Gordon Brown: ‘I’d tell Trump he’s unpopular’
Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown says fixing broken communities is an economic emergency, but how do we do it? Burnham’s fiscal devolution? Could social impact bonds work? How do we extract more tax from the super wealthy? What about the shattered world order—can that be mended? What would he say to Trump now if he were PM? And as the man who gave independence to the Bank of England, does he think it’s still fit for purpose? Gordon Brown talks to Steph and Robert about his new book, The Future Starts With Us, looking at what needs to happen to rebuild our broken communities and fractured world order. Plus, what this all means for places like Middlesbrough. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Lorcan Moullier Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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309. Why we’re wasting our time predicting the future of AI
Is it possible for us to shape how AI is used rather than have tech firms decide for us? Should the UK government be looking to create our own ChatGPT? Or would open source AI be better for public services? How do we make sure we don’t hand over all our valuable NHS data to a US tech firm? Dr Laura Gilbert CBE – senior director of AI at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change talks to Steph about why we should stop asking experts to predict the future of AI because they’re rubbish at it. She also argues for a National Open Source AI Lab. Plus, how she saved the government £40 million pounds in half an hour when she was a civil servant. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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308. The 4 challenges (and the biggest opportunity) facing the new PM
Does Burnham’s government have a credible growth plan? Are the fiscal rules still fit for purpose? How can Whitehall be reformed for the AI age - and who will pay tax if AI leads to widespread job losses? Robert discusses the major challenges facing Burnham and Healey with Lord O’Donnell, former Cabinet Secretary under three British prime ministers. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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307. The world’s most influential economist: how we can deliver "worker-friendly AI"
How damaging to us is the obsession of Anthropic, Google and Open AI with creating AI super intelligence? How can political leaders set a new path for AI, that would enrich workers rather than replace them? And is the falling birth rate actually good for us? In the second part of Robert’s interview with Nobel prize-winning economist Daron Acemoglu, about his influential new book, “what happened to liberal democracy”, we learn whether AI can be tamed to prevent most of the rewards going to trillionaires. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Buy tickets for The Rest is Fest: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/the-rest-is-money-live/ Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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306. The world’s most influential economist: Tax wealth and break up big tech
How do we revive living standards and restore confidence in liberal democracy? Is the link between productivity and wages permanently broken? What is working-class liberalism? Why should Andy Burnham’s first budget raise taxes on capital while cutting taxes on employment? And why are tech giants like Google and Amazon twice as wealthy as the British Empire at its peak? Robert investigates how to safeguard our way of life with Nobel Prize–winning economist Daron Acemoglu. Together, they discuss whether the prescriptions in Acemoglu's influential new book are practical enough to prevent liberal democracy from eroding further. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Buy tickets for The Rest is Fest: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/the-rest-is-money-live/ Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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305. The Apprentice Unicorn - Euan Blair on rewiring investment and training
Why is it taking so long to get people trained in AI? Should we be devolving education powers to employers instead of Mayors? Is the replacement for the Apprenticeship levy any good? Why is it so hard for companies here to raise money from British investors? Steph talks to Euan Blair, CEO of Multiverse - the UK’s first British EdTech business valued at over a billion - about the future of work. Plus some spicy chat on Multiverse’s Ofsted rating and why Euan’s dad was wrong to push for 50% of young people into university when he was PM. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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304. Why Burnham’s best economic policy would be “do nothing”
How can the government persuade UK companies and households to invest and spend their record cash holdings? Why is Donald Trump’s unpredictability failing to destroy economic growth? Why is it so difficult to assess whether a lethal AI bubble currently exists? Robert discusses the risks and opportunities in today’s world of extreme financial, technological and political risks with Karen Ward, chief market strategist for JP Morgan in EMEA. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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303. Why making schools truly comprehensive is vital for our economy
Why do secondary schools fail so many young people? Whose fault is it? What does good vocational education look like? He says the hard hat is just as important as the graduation cap, but does Andy Burnham really get it? With A-Level and GCSE results due out, Steph’s launched a day to celebrate the millions of people getting vocational qualifications. To mark this we take the show to a thriving business in Cornwall to look at how they’re solving their skills problem. Also, Robert and Steph unpick the crisis in British education and come up with bold solutions. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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302. Can the West bridge the gap with China, India and the BRICs+ nations?
How fixable is the schism between the rich developed countries, led by the US, and the faster-growing BRICS+ group, led by China, Russia, and India? Can these emerging powerhouses truly detach themselves from the dollar-dominated financial system? And on which critical issues must we work collaboratively with them to avoid global disaster? Robert and Steph chat with Lord Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs chief economist who coined the influential BRIC concept 25 years ago. He has recently launched a new strategy platform and think tank, BRICS+ Thinking, designed to encourage pragmatic entente and policy cooperation with these fast-growing, powerful economies. As an influential crossbench peer who also has the ear of Andy Burnham, his views matter. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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301. Why the US won't stop China in the AI race
Are we in an AI bubble? Does it matter that Chinese AI firms are banned from using American chips? How big is the chance of an AI crash? Can an AI business survive without energy generation capabilities? Azeem Azhar – the founder of the leading research platform Exponential View – joins us to tell us about his report on the state of the AI economy. Plus, Robert and Steph find out what Azeem learnt about AI from a visit to a Chinese night club with the Moonshot gang. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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300. Does Burnham get AI?
What parts of AI does the UK have to control to secure ourselves against enemies? Does Burnham understand how important AI is for growth and security? Are entrepreneurs less welcome in the UK now? Why should the government support a ‘freedom to fail’ funding and business culture? Matt Clifford wrote Starmer’s AI action plan. He is a tech investor and co-founder of the billion dollar business Entrepreneurs First. He talks to Robert and Steph about UK AI policy and chairing the organisation ARIA that hands out government funding for fundamental tech research. Plus find out what re-freezing the arctic has to do with all this. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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299. Trump’s new tariffs - can anyone win a trade war?
How has Donald Trump got away with bringing in new tariffs when the last lot were ruled unlawful? Why is the UK in a worse position than the EU now? Are trade wars always bad? Had anyone ever won one without harming themselves? Are we ever going to get back to free trade? Robert and Steph are joined by economist and FT columnist Soumaya Keynes, self-confessed trade nerd and author of ‘How to win a trade war’ to evaluate the damage from Trump’s new wave of tariffs on 60 countries. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected]X: @TheRestIsMoneyInstagram: @TheRestIsMoneyTikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan BonhamProducer: Isabelle BougeardExec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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298. Why Healey as Chancellor? And can he find the money?
John Healey is the Chancellor to increase defence spending to 3% of GDP, but how will he pay for it? Would war bonds do the trick? Is a cut in electricity VAT and a rise in income tax thresholds helping the right people? What will it take to build enough council houses? With the surprise appointment of former defence secretary John Healey as Burnham's new Chancellor, we look at whether he can revive the UK. Plus Robert and Steph wonder whether the hidden hand of Gordon Brown is behind Healey's appointment. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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297. How do we reshape our workforce in the AI era?
What should the government be doing to get us AI ready? How do we make sure people co-exist with AI and aren't just replaced by it? What role should trade unions have? What are 'tech towns' and how important are they in the AI race? Nobel prize winning economist Simon Johnson is back to tell us about his role as the chair of the government’s AI Institute which will use workplace data shared by over thirty major corporations to track, in real-time, how AI adoption is shifting job availability, wage growth, and macroeconomic productivity across the UK. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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296. Gary Stevenson- how would a wealth tax help those on low incomes?
What impact would a 2% wealth tax on people with £10 million have? If you tax the rich more will it bring down the cost of living for everyone else? How will this help the shortfall of affordable homes? What about the North South divide? Will it reduce the one million NEETs the country has? Will it grow the economy? Inequality economist Gary Stevenson is back to tell us why taxing millionaires is the way to make things fairer. Robert and Steph have a lively debate about whether wealth taxes are enough. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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295. Jim O’Neill – The man shaping Burnhamomics
If fiscal devolution is central to Burnham’s plans, how do we make sure the money is not wasted by mayors and councils? How can Burnham avoid market mayhem if he invests significantly more? Would it be crazy to break up the Treasury? Why is scrapping the pensions triple lock essential? Former U.K. Treasury Minister and ex Goldman Sachs chair Jim O’Neill has been advising Andy Burnham on the hard choices he’ll have to make as PM. Steph and Robert talk to him about Manchesterism and the need to slaughter four sacred cows . The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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294. Gary Stevenson – Is being a city trader bad?
Is it fair that city traders can make loads of money betting on the economy’s demise? Are people with working class backgrounds better at trading? How do you go from making millions on a trade floor to becoming obsessed with wealth inequality? In the first of our two-part series, we sit down with economist Gary Stevenson. He tells us how he made millions by betting on our economic decline, and why he transitioned from a high-stakes trader to a man on a mission to tax millionaires more-a journey explored in his new Channel 4 documentary, How to Get Filthy Rich." The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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293. A Nobel Prize winning view on wealth inequality
Why are some countries richer than others, even though money, people and ideas can flow freely round the world? Why is it so hard for a country to turn things around and become rich? Are illiberal leaders like Trump good for their economy? What role do sovereign wealth funds play? Nobel prize winning economist Simon Johnson gives us his theory on the damage extractive institutions do to wealth disparity. As a leading professor at MIT and former chief economist at the IMF, Robert and Steph quiz him on how the history of colonisation has shaped world economics and what can be done about it. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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292. The £6 trillion pot we should use to grow the economy
How do we unlock trillions of pounds of long term capital and keep it in the UK? What can we learn from a brewery in Newcastle and the Vimto factory in Manchester? Why don’t more people invest in start-ups and scale-ups? Is it all about tax incentives? Nigel Wilson is the former CEO of the financial giant Legal and General who has funnelled billions of pounds of pension and insurance money into regional regeneration projects. He tells us why it’s not a charity case, but a huge investment opportunity that could grow the whole UK economy. And why he thinks Burnham is the only politician who gets regional economics. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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291. Does Burnham have any wiggle room?
How much can Burnham re-engineer the fiscal rules? Should he stick to a manifesto that has already been trampled over? Who should he choose to be chancellor? Will the markets approve? The former director of the IFS is back to tell us about the constraints and opportunities the new prime minister will have to get the economy growing and improve living standards. Listen to Robert and Steph’s interview with Paul Johnson. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producer: Chris Sawyer General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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290. Can Burnham’s ‘business friendly socialism’ grow the economy?
Why are each of us £15,000 a year worse off than we should be? What can we learn from the US about housing? Can ‘Manchesterism’ work across the UK? How much is the triple lock state pension holding back young people? Paul Johnson, former director of the IFS, is back to tell us about his new research on The Prosperity Gap and what it means for the new Prime Minister. Plus why Count Binface should be considered for housing minister. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producer: Chris Sawyer General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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289. Why we need fewer civil servants
Can Andy Burnham’s civil service employ fewer but more productive officials? Is it fair to blame Brexit and Covid for the rising headcount? Is the government buying British the best growth policy? How the government can save £30bn a year by being more efficient. Tech boss Stephen Kelly - former CEO of Sage Group - tells us about working with David Cameron’s government to make £50bn in public sector efficiency savings. Plus find out why he thinks he was sent to the wrong building for a government meeting. Listen to Robert and Steph’s interview. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Senior Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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288. Which politician is the worst tax dodger?
Should political leaders show us their tax returns in detail? Are the financial questions concerning Farage about tax or something else? Which politicians were careless and which were more culpable? Robert and Steph chat with Dan Neidle who reveals his investigations into the financial affairs of several high-profile politicians. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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287. Dan Neidle: forget wealth taxes, do this instead
Will all the rich people leave if we slap a wealth tax on them? How have plans for a 5% billionaire tax in California gone down? Is tax the best way to redistribute wealth more fairly? Former tax lawyer Dan Neidle is back to tell us why he thinks the theories of influential economists Gabriel Zucman and Thomas Piketty are all pie in the sky. So what would he do instead? Listen to Robert and Steph’s interview with him to find out. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut
Why is cutting VAT for specific sectors a bad idea? Should there be a flat rate on everything, including the things currently exempt? Why does cutting business rates only benefit landlords? Are we keeping too many inefficient businesses going? Dan Neidle from Tax Policy Associates is back to explain why he thinks no one deserves special treatment when it comes to VAT and business rates. Plus why Burnham’s plan to rescue pubs won’t work. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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285. Can Europe escape American tech dependency?
Why did Nick Clegg quit Meta, and what does he really think about Silicon Valley? Why are tech bosses so greedy? And how can Europe catch up in the AI race? Robert sits down with Nick Clegg (former UK Deputy Prime Minister and Meta's ex-President of Global Affairs) to discuss how the UK can once again become a tech and economic powerhouse. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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284. Is it time to smash the economic consensus?
Should it be about the pre-distribution, rather than re-distribution, of wealth? Will that create an economy with fewer billionaires? How would it work in practice? Is it even possible given the balance of power lies with the rich? Leading economist Professor Mariana Mazzucato is back to tell us why her theory on ‘The Common Good’ is a game changer for Western economies. Plus does she think Gabriel Zucman’s wealth tax on billionaires is a good idea? Robert and Steph find out. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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283. Does the UK need to be rich?
Is the UK stuck in a debt and tax doom loop, and how do we get out? How do we cut welfare spending? How important is it to give regional mayors more agency over tax and spending? And what can we learn from Mississippi? Robert and Steph talk to former Chancellor Jeremy Hunt about his take on the economy now he's not running the Treasury, as detailed in his new book 'Can we be rich again?'. Plus for the first time Steph admits it's not all about Middlesbrough. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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282. Are politicians living in a tax-and-spend dream world?
Are the government plans to help low income households hitting the right spot? Is there too much focus on symptoms and not causes? Could fiscal devolution happen too quickly? Why does the IMF often give the UK a rough ride on forecasts? Paul Johnson - former director of the IFS - is back to give us his take on the economic reforms being discussed across the political sphere. Plus Robert puts him under pressure to tell us which government has been the worst economically. Will he answer? Listen to Robert and Steph’s chat with him to find out. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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281. How to tax billionaires
How many billionaires are there in the world? How much has their wealth grown by? Why do lots of billionaires pay almost no income tax? How much of a problem are tax havens? Would a 2% global wealth tax (on people with over $100million) work in practice? Robert and Steph talk to prominent economist Gabriel Zucman about his decades long research on wealth inequality and discuss the pros and cons of wealth taxation policies. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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280. Should the government set food prices?
Would a voluntary agreement between supermarket bosses and the Chancellor to cap the prices of food basics help those struggling on low incomes? Is the biggest threat to the UK now higher inflation or higher unemployment? And could Andy Burnham, as Prime Minister, take control of water and energy without destroying the public finances? Steph and Robert discuss Rachel Reeves’ plans to protect living standards from Trump’s Iran war shock, and try to work out what Andy Burnham means when he says his “Manchesterism” is the end of neoliberalism. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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279. Why SMEs want more than verbal enthusiasm from politicians
Is the government doing enough to prioritise British SMEs in its defence spending plans? Should price always come first or should more expensive British made goods be the priority? Or are we in danger of propping up zombie business? And with rising energy and employment costs, how hard is it to be a UK manufacturer now? With the government aiming to increase UK SME defence spending by fifty percent, Steph talks to a manufacturer desperate to win back the MoD contracts it lost in the 1980s. Ben Fogle and James Sleater tell us their ambitions plans for Buffalo Systems. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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278. Can any Starmer rival rescue the economy?
Has Labour got what it takes to deliver growth? Is a change in leadership going to help? How might Rayner, Burnham or Streeting fair against the bond markets? Could a plan to shift the tax burden away from working people and on to assets be the answer? As the chaos in Westminster continues, and government borrowing costs reach a 28 year high, Robert and Steph discuss what it will take to get the stability we need, and more importantly the growth. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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277. How to make green energy a vote winner
Why is the UK’s energy pricing system so broken? Why must the transition to green energy be accelerated? And how can we make clean, renewable power the most affordable option for those on low incomes? Robert joins Emma Pinchbeck, CEO of the Climate Change Committee, to discuss the misunderstood parts of our energy system and what the UK’s shift to renewables actually looks like. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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276. Will bond market vigilantes see off Starmer’s rivals?
Could the government’s creditors protect Starmer and Reeves, even if Labour is humiliated in the elections? How high are UK interest rates going to rise because of Trump’s Iran war? Has monetary policy stopped working? Could AI actually lead to the creation of millions of new jobs? And is coal consumption in the 19th Century a good way to predict this? Steph and Robert dissect the Bank of England’s latest assessment of the UK economy. Plus Robert takes us back in time to explain why Jevons Paradox on coal consumption could be relevant to the AI revolution we’re in now. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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275. The Debt Paradox: Britain’s Hidden Credit Crisis
If household debt as a percentage of GDP is at its lowest since 2002, why are debt charities seeing record levels of demand? Is this a temporary problem because of the cost of living crisis or about much bigger structural problems in the UK economy? Plus, what is ‘co-erced debt’ and why is it a growing problem? Steph talks to Vikki Brownridge the CEO of the debt advisory charity StepChange about what’s really going on for the increasing number of people struggling with money. They discuss the challenges of the ‘working poor’ and whether policy changes like the lifting of the two child benefits cap will make any difference. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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274. Would rejoining the EU be the best growth strategy?
How much did Brexit cost the UK? Would rejoining make us much richer? And if US managers are PSG players, are British ones more like Aston Villa’s? Robert talks to Stanford Professor Nick Bloom about his influential forecast, recently adopted by Rachel Reeves, that quitting the EU made Britain 8% or £240bn poorer than it would otherwise have been. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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273. How angry are business leaders with the government?
How long will Starmer cling on for? Will politicians sucking up to Northerners make any difference to the North South divide? What’s the latest with the Strait of Hormuz and how is it impacting global prices? How is that feeding through to inflation here? Is Miliband right to stop more oil being drilled in the North Sea and what’s his plan to bring down energy bills? After another week of Mandelson drama, Robert takes us behind the scenes and Steph looks at examples in business where bad vetting has had disastrous consequences. Plus all the latest on the markets. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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272. Is Anthropic holding businesses to ransom?
Is it fair that only some businesses have access to Anthropic’s super-powerful Mythos AI, given its ability to pierce cyber defences? Will OpenAI go bust? Will Demis Hassabis win the AI wars? Robert Peston talks to Sebastian Mallaby about his biography of British AI genius Demis Hassabis, The Infinity Machine. Note: We contacted OpenAI for comment, who told us that 'the article revisits old, widely reported episodes and frames them through selective anecdotes, anonymous claims, and incomplete context. They also said that OpenAI today is a very different company: larger, more mature, more rigorously governed, and operating at global scale. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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271. Youth unemployment - a national emergency?
Why are one million young people not in education, employment or training? Is the benefits system part of the problem? Are schools out of date? What’s the alternative? Steph talks to former health minister Alan Milburn – who is leading a review into NEETS -about the systemic health and structural barriers to work. They discuss the cost to the economy and the alarming stat that if a young person doesn’t get a job by the time they’re 24 they’re unlikely ever to. Fortunately Alan thinks he has the solution. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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270. AI minister: How we build a trillion dollar AI company
What’s the point of the government’s new £500m sovereign AI fund? How is the government planning to avert AI Armageddon? Isn’t it time for AI to be permanently in the classroom not banned from it? Robert talks to AI Minister Kanishka Narayan to explore the government’s strategy for a trillion-dollar British AI ecosystem-and whether the UK can truly scale a sovereign challenger to rival the likes of OpenAI, Anthropic and Gemini. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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269. Monzo founder: AI will kill income tax
Why are governments failing to notice how AI is replacing many jobs now? If AI replaces all or most jobs, how can governments replace all the lost taxes? Who will pay for public services and stop us from starving? Robert sits down with Monzo founder Tom Blomfield to hear his revolutionary plan to reform the tax system for an AI world. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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268. The price of financial hype
What’s a ‘finfluencer’ and why are they getting in trouble with the regulators? How much of a problem is dodgy tax advice given on social media? What part does financial literacy play in all of this? And is the law finally catching up? Steph talks to Stella Creasy - MP for Walthamstow and a prominent consumer rights campaigner - about her latest mission to stop the rise of unregulated financial advice on social media. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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267. Can AI save the public sector?
What difference would wider adoption of AI have in our struggling public services? Is it the answer to the UK productivity problem? Why does the government struggle to "buy British" when it comes to tech? And could a simple software fix save frontline workers 8 hours of admin a week? In this episode, Robert and Steph are joined by Alex Stephany, the CEO of Beam, a British ‘GovTech’ success story used by two-thirds of UK councils. Alex tells us how it works, but also why the government procurement system is holding back companies like his. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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266. Trump Turmoil: An investor's perspective
A month into the war in the Middle East, what are investors thinking? Are we heading for a global recession? Who is most exposed? What are the options central banks and governments have for getting through it? What does this mean for the UK economy? How can the government help people with bills without upsetting the bond markets and increase borrowing costs? Plus, what should you be thinking about if you have money in stocks and shares? Karen Ward – Chief Market Strategist EMEA at JP Morgan Asset Management – is back to give us her take on the possible economic outcomes of the geopolitical turmoil. She breaks down what matters and what doesn’t when it comes to understanding market volatility. Plus she explains why she thinks we don’t need to worry about the private credit market taking us into another financial crisis. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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265. Are we due another financial crisis?
What does Lloyd Blankfein - former boss of Goldman Sachs - think is the biggest threat to financial stability? What did he learn from the credit crunch about dealing with risk? Was the investment bank the ‘vampire squid’ it was described as? Plus, why did his cancer diagnosis have to be kept secret? Lloyd talks to Robert and Steph about his journey from a housing project in Brooklyn to CEO of Goldman Sachs during the 2008 financial crisis. They also discuss AI, fat fingers and whether Lloyd would join Trump’s administration if he was asked. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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264. Why the chair of Iceland Foods is not worried about their energy bills
What is retail boss Richard Walker telling Kier Starmer to do in his new role as the PM’s Cost of Living Tsar? Why does he want a temporary cap on the profits of energy and oil companies? How does a supermarket like Iceland handle the price pressures that come from war in the Middle East? And how worried is he about rising employment costs? Richard Walker - executive chair of Iceland Foods - talks to Steph and Robert about everything from whether we should be drilling for more oil in the North Sea to the price of a prawn ring. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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263. Iran War: protecting the UK economy from the energy crisis
Why is the UK economy the most exposed to the harm from Trump’s Iran war? How should Reeves respond? And with resources so tight, which families should be bailed out from rising energy prices? Steph and Robert explain why Starmer should not waste this crisis, and should take the bold painful decisions to put Britain on a path to higher growth Since the recording of this episode, Donald Trump announced a five-day extension on his ultimatum to "hit and obliterate" Iran. Robert and Steph's discussion today covers the tough economic choices facing Starmer and Reeves whatever path the Iran conflict now takes. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories.Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market.Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, including market regulations, economic recovery, and the forces shaping the future of work. Robert and Steph bring you the latest insights from influential leaders and top entrepreneurs, making this podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in business growth, financial trends, and the evolving economic lands
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