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The RunOut Podcast
by Andrew Bisharat & Chris Kalous
Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always agree, but you’ll probably laugh about it later.
Episodes
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The RunOut #175: The new classic climbs, according to Steph Abegg
Steph Abegg is a climber, mathematician, and now full-time van-lifer who has been meticulously recording trip reports for the past 20 years. She’s working on a new book called Seventy Select, featuring seventy of her favorite multipitch rock climbs from across western North America. But first…
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The RunOut BONUS: Slovak Direct with Will Hodgson and Vincent Landry
Earlier this year, Will Hodgson and Vincent Landry repeated the Slovak Direct (AI6 M8, 2,700m) on Denali — 38 hours on route, every pitch freed on what Vincent calls some of the best granite he’s ever touched. We talk about the climb itself, and about Balin Miller, the last person to climb the...
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The RunOut #174: In the writer’s room with Astra Lincoln
Astra Lincoln is a writer, creative researcher, and self-described futurist working at the intersection of people, power, and place. She’s won Banff’s best article award twice and been a finalist for the Yale Nonfiction Book Prize, and before all that she worked as a pastry chef, a wilderness…
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The RunOut #173: The catastrophe episode, with Andres Marin
Andres Marin is a mountain guide, alpinist, and competitive ice climber who’s originally from Columbia, but is a longtime resident of Ouray, Colorado. His passion is expedition climbing, and he’s completed notable first ascents around the world including in Kyrgzstan and Peru. We talk about a...
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The RunOut #172: Liv Ogier and the joy of suffering for sport climbing
Liv Ogier recently completed the first ascent of Yellow Sun (5.14d), an extension to Tommy Caldwell’s Kryptonite at the Fortress of Solitude. As a former comp climber, her choice to project at one of Colorado’s most remote and challenging sport crags resulted in numerous days and nights of...
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The RunOut #171: How to Spout Off To Your Federal Land Managers
Erik Murdock is the deputy director at the Access Fund, climbing’s national advocacy organization. Today we’re encouraging climbers to submit their comments on the climbing management proposals for federal lands. Check out the show notes for all the links. But first, the show’s ailing hosts...
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The RunOut #170: Get Diked: a Yosemite Episode
Cameron King is the climbing program supervisor for Yosemite National Park. Greg Stock is Yosemite’s resident geologist. Both are climbers and they’re here today to talk about various issues within America’s most notable national park. But first, we tie in for a discussion about the new Ten...
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The RunOut #169: Jonathan Siegrist is closing in on 100 routes 9a or harder
Jonathan Siegrist is a professional rock climber, widely regarded as one of the most prolific sport climbers in the world. He’s best known for pushing very hard sport routes, including numerous 5.15 ascents. This year he’s on track to reaching 100 routes rated 9a or harder. But first, we discuss...
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The RunOut #168: Finger Bangers Ball with Lillian Frances
What good is finger strength if you don’t know how to use it? Lillian Frances is a self-produced indie pop star based in LA who has written a new manual called Finger Banging For Climber Boys* (And Everyone Else). We discuss all things digital stimulation and and celebrate centering female...
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The RunOut #167: Matt Samet on documenting the state of climbing this year
Matt Samet is a sport-climbing pioneer, climbing lifer, writer, editor, and literary icon. His new role at the American Alpine Club is launching the American Climbing Journal, an annual perfect-bound book documenting the biggest and most interesting ascents of the year. But first, what would it...
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The RunOut #166: Melissa Strong: Grit, Healing, and Second Chances
Melissa Strong is a climber, restaurateur, and writer. In 2017, she nearly lost her life in an electrical accident that left her with amputated and disfigured hands. Her new book is called Climbing Through: A Courageous Story of Grit, Healing, and Second Chances. But first, we talk (more) about...
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The RunOut #165: Chasing the big projects with Ethan Salvo
Ethan Salvo is a Canadian climber based in Squamish, who's best known as the first Canadian to climb V16. He's been on a tear recently, and his most recent notable ascent is Lucid Dreamg, the V15 in Bishop Last year Ethan Salvo became the first Canadian to climb V16, with the second ascent of…
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The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes
Margo Hayes is a professional climber, model, musician, and artist — and she's best known as the first woman to climb 5.15a, a grade she reached not just once, but three times: La Rambla, Biographie, and Papichulo. In recent years, a battle with Lyme disease has made climbing at her limit...
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The RunOut #163: Connor Herson continues to crush everything
Connor Herson is back. He needs no introduction, but he's easily one of, if not the best, trad climber in the world at the moment. We talk about his 2025 climbing season in Yosemite, when he ticked the free Nose in a day, got a first free ascent of Triple Direct, and climbed many other major...
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The RunOut #162: Mary Eden on her ascent of Century Crack
Mary Eden is known on Instagram as Trad Princess but in real life, she's one of the sport's best offwidth crack climbers. Recently she acheived the first female ascent of Century Crack, perhaps the world's longest and hardest wide roof crack. But first, we talk about what everyone’s talking…
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The RunOut #161: The man who wants to reinvent comp climbing, Charlie Boscoe
Just when you though you understood what a zone hold was ... Hasn't the comp climbing format already been "solved?" Some think there is room for improvement, including Charlie Boscoe, an alpinist turned World Cup commentator. He is the co-founder of the Professional Climbing League, a new comp...
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The RunOut #160: How Lara Neumeir Climbs with Composure and Control
Lara Neumeier is a German climber known for her composure on demanding, heady terrain. Her notable ascents include a repeat of Psychogramm (5.14a trad), Silbergeier and End of Silence—two of the iconic multipitch alpine routes that form Europe’s so-called Alpine Trilogy—as well as El Corazón and...
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The RunOut #159: Fallon Rowe Climbs Through Trauma and Into Strength
Fallon Rowe is a climber, writer, coach, teacher, researcher, and many more things. Her new book is called Pay No Mind: A Memoir of Climbing, Abuse, and Survival. Beyond discussing the traumatic story that she tells in her book, we enjoyed listening to Fallon bring her always thoughtful, grounded...
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The Runout #158: Laura Pineau and Kate Kellegan Go Big on Triple Crown
On June 8 Kate Kellegan and Laura Pineau (aka Mademoiselle Fissure) became the first women to complete the Yosemite Triple Crown. That means the climbed El Capitan, Half Dome and Mt. Watkins in a day. Their time was 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds. In this conversation, Kate and Laura share...
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The RunOut #157: Born to climb with kids’ book author Danielle Sarli
Danielle Sarli is a kindergarten teacher, musician, and passionate climber. She is the author of Little Climber, a new kids' book illustrated by Amanda Joy Hogan. We discuss how to tap into that kid-like innate urge to climb, and kindle the joy that we all feel when stand on top of the world—or…
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The RunOut #156: The mysterious murder of a neo-nazi crypto king dirtbag climbing outlaw
In 2017, a climber was murdered outside of Squamish. His body was found with gunshot wounds, inside a smoldering, burnt vehicle. He was suspected to be the climber known as Jesse James, a Squamish dirtbag who made his mark on the scene, both in real life and online. In fact, it took three years…
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The RunOut #155: The state of American bolts with Nate Liles
Nate Liles is a photographer, filmmaker, and development director at the American Safe Climbing Association. Today's conversation with Nate centers on the state of bolts and bolting in America today, and the tenuous landscape of route developers, local climbing organizations, land managers, and...
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Runout #154: Soul and Sandstone: Andrew Kornylak on climbing in the South
Andrew Kornylak is a photographer, filmmaker, writer, and longtime climber. His new book is Spare These Stones. We speak about the rich culture of climbing in the. south, and how this place and its people have helped inform his work and inspire his latest book. But first, we talk about a climbing...
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Runout #153: Sex, Angst, and Rocks—Emily Meg Weinstein
Emily Weinstein is a New Yorker, radical activist, rabid Met's fan, and climber who lives on a house boat in the San Francisco Bay. Her new book is called Turn to Stone: A Memoir. But first we catch up what's happening in our climbing worlds, from stancing out out projects to taking a stance on...
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The RunOut #152: Will Moss (Actually) Day Flashes Free Rider
Will Moss is a trad climber originally from New York. He recently flashed Free Rider on El Capitan, becoming the first to do it in a day and only the second person ever to flash an El Cap free climb. Will's preparation to flash this route was insanely detailed, involving pouring over every video...
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The RunOut #151: Linking it up with Tanner Wanish and Michael Vaill
Tanner Wanish and Michael Vaill are two of the best speed climbers in Yosemite today. They currently hold the record for the historic Yosemite Triple Crown with a time of 17 hours and 55 minutes, and they're also the only climbers to also add in a fourth big wall on top of that feat—a linkup they...
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RunOut 150: Girl Climber, with Emily Harrington and Jon Glassberg
Jon Glassberg is a photographer and filmmaker, and Emily Harrington is one of America's most prolific professional climbers, whose all-around feats span summits of 8,000 meter peaks, 5.14, National Comp podiums, and free ascents of El Capitan. Their new film is Girl Climber, which is profile of...
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RunOut 149: Jordan Cannon and Mark Hudon, live from El Cap
Jordan Cannon is a professional climber, known for his free and speed-climbing feats on El Capitan. Mark Hudon is one of the fathers of big-wall free climbing, best known for making a very early and audacious free attempt of the Salathé Wall in 1979 with Max Jones, nearly a decade before El Cap…
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The RunOut 148: The Evolution of Sonnie Trotter
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RunOut 147: How Briana Mazzolini-Blanchard is Pushing the Limits of Climbing Activism
Briana Mazzolini-Blanchard is the executive director of Urban Native Collective, the host of the Life on the Margins: An Urban Native Experience podcast, the co-founder of the Indigenous Field Guide, and a collaborator with the American Climbing Project. She recently stepped down from the Red…
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RunOut #146: From Big Walls to Open Water: Unlocking the Expedition Mindset with Mark Synnott
Mark Synnott is a professional big-wall climber, expedition sailor, and writer whose books have included The Third Pole and The Impossible Climb. His latest book is Into The Ice, an epic read about his recent voyage across the infamous Northwest Passage and the historical mysteries that lie…
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RunOut #145: Here Come the Management Plans
Earlier this year, the Bears Ears Resource Management Plan dropped, outlining rules regarding camping, waste management, dogs, and, perhaps most controversially, fixed anchors for new routes across the monument, which includes, of course, Indian Creek. Jason Keith is a senior policy advisor at…
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RunOut #144: Life After Competition: Hannah Schubert and Eating Disorders in Climbing
Hannah Schubert is an Austrian climber who has podiumed at the World Cup and the World Championships. Now retired from professional competition, Hannah was recently profiled in Der Spiegel, one of Germanys' largest publications, where she opened up about her struggles with eating disorders during...
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RunOut #143: PARC Act Passes, so What’s Next For Climbing in America?
The Protect America's Rock Climbing Act was signed into law at the end of President Biden's term. The PARC Act mandates that various government departments issue guideance recognizing rock climbing as a legitimate use of public lands, including the placement and maintenance of fixed anchors in...
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RunOut #142: Jason Kehl and the Evolution of Bouldering
Jason Kehl is a hold shaper, iconclast, and highball bouldering legend, perhaps best known for his first ascent of Evilution in the Buttermilks. Today, he lives in El Paso, Texas, where he continues to establish first ascents all over Hueco Tanks. He is also continue to work with So Ill to create...
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RunOut #141: The Joy of Struggle, According to Ryan Devlin
Ryan Devlin is an actor who has appeared in such shows as Brothers and Sisters, Cougar Town, and Grey's Anatomy. Climbers, however, will know him as the host of one of our favorite climbing podcasts, The Struggle Climbing Show. In this episode, we catch up with Ryan after he redpointed his…
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RunOut #140: Chris Deuto Seeks More in the Mountains
Though just 21, Chris Deuto has already amassed an impressive lifetime of climbing since first starting the sport at age 7. Having ticked 5.14c and V14 and done national-level competitions, Chris has shifted his focus to more alpine-centered climbs, from Aconcagua to Fitz Roy. Most recently, he...
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RunOut 139: Fred Nicole speaks to the soul of bouldering
Fred Nicole's name is synonymous with hard bouldering. The dude is legend, responsible for establishing the world's first V14 and first V15, always while bringing an artistic, quiet approach that has defined the soul of bouldering for over four decades. Today Fred works as a shoe designer for So...
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RunOut #138: The Bromance of Tommy Caldwell and Alex Honnold
Today’s guest is climbing's Captain America, Tommy Cadlwell. Tommy’s latest film is called The Devil’s Climb, and it documents an epic adventure in which he and Alex Honnold rode their bike’s to Alaska and enchained all the summits on the striking and infamous Devil’s Thumb massif. The film was...
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RunOut 137: The Revelations of Jerry Moffatt
Today we’re honored to be speaking with Jerry Moffatt. Jerry was one of the most influential and best climbers in the 1980s and ‘90s, whose groundbreaking first ascents pushed the limits and also was incredibly influential on the direction of our sport. His autobiography Revelations is one of the...
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RunOut 136: Brady Robinson on Climbing, Advocacy, and the legacy of Armando Menocal
Armando Menocal was a civil rights lawyer and climber who helped found the Access Fund. It’s safe to say that without Armando’s silent but hugely significant contributions, climbing would look very different today. Sadly, Armando recently died at the age of 83 from cancer. Here today to help...
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RunOut #135: Becca Steinbrecher: What it’s Like to Survive a Serious Climbing Accident
Last year, Becca Steinbrecher broke a foothold while climbing in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison and took a 30-foot fall onto a ledge. It was only a couple of months later that Becca woke up and learned what had happened to her that day, including the heroic and miraculous search and rescue...
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RunOut #134: The State of Adventure and Storytelling with Fitz Cahall
Fitz Cahall is the founder of the Dirtbag Diaries, a podcast that’s been downloaded over 18 million times. His new book is “States of Adventure: 30 outdoor adventure stories about finding yourself by getting lost.” But first, childless cat ladies may be a topic for some politicians, but we look…
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RunOut #133: Olympic Runner and Rock Climber Hobbs Kessler
Hobbs Kessler is a 21-year-old professional runner who ran a 3:34 in the 1500m in his senior year of high school. He has also climbed as hard as 5.14c with an ascent of Southern Smoke in the Red River Gorge. Hobbs just returned from the Paris Olympics, where he competed in both the 800 and 1500m...
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RunOut #132: Amity Warme is Bringing Stoke—and Style—Back to Climbing
Amity Warme is a professional rock climber and dietician, who has not only free climbed El Capitan five times, but has done so each time in true ground-up style. This ground-up style is captured in an awesome new film that tells the story Amity and Brent Barghahn’s ground-up free ascent of El…
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RunOut #131: Drew Ruana Climbs Hard and Thinks Ahead
Out #131: Drew Ruana Climbs Hard and Thinks Ahead Drew Ruana started climbing on the slabs of Smith Rock, and has since become one of America’s most prolific boulderers, with over 100 V14 and harder problems ticked. He’s currently a student at the Colorado School of Mines, and thinking ahead of...
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RunOut #130: Thomas Huber Unleashes Freedom on America
Thomas Huber is our favorite Huber brother—no offense to Alex. He needs little introduction, and is one of the most prolific climbers of the last 30 years thanks to a resume that includes establishing some of the best free climbs on El Capitan and across Europe, to winning the Piolet d’Or for his...
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RunOut #129: Olympic Fever; Plus: When Climbers Become Parents with Allyson Gunsallus
Allyson Gunsallus is a climber and lawyer who serves on the board of the American Alpine Club. She is also the producer and director of Hand Holds, a new film interview series providing resources for climbing parents. Our conversation explores how climbing parents navigate the risks inherent to…
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RunOut #128: Activism and Climbing with Miranda Oakley
Miranda Oakley is an AMGA certified rock climbing guide, who set the record for being the first woman to rope solo the Nose in a day. As a Palestinian-American, she recently made headlines by hanging a political banner on the side of El Cap. We discuss this unlikely nexus between climbing and...
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RunOut #127: Sensei and Sensibility: Climb Smarter with Justen Sjong
Today’s guest is climbing coach Justen Sjong. Justen is known for his first free ascents of Magic Mushroom (VI 5.14a) and The PreMuir (VI 5.13c/d) on El Capitan, and redpoints of 5.14 sport climbs. His approach to improvement in climbing is far more cerebral than most standard training fare, and...
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Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always agree, but you’ll probably laugh about it later.
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Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always...
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