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This morning, Katy Perry has given us the most iconic TikTok of the year in response to her ex's engagement.  Plus, Euphoria has dropped its most controversial episode yet, and Hayden Panettiere has opened up about the most painful decision of her life. ☕ Katy Perry fake-cries to her own song and it's hilarious ☕ Euphoria Season 3 drops its most disturbing episode yet and the internet cannot cope ☕ Hayden Panettiere opens up about signing over custody of her daughter ☕ Jamie Foxx is expecting his third child at 58 and we love this for him  ☕ Rival networks circle Robert Irwin THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel.Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

One famous actor is suddenly everywhere—new film, Hollywood Walk of Fame star, viral press tour—and now his very murky past is trending again. We're unpacking the 20-year-old affair that just won't go away, the complicated timeline with his first wife, and why his "nice guy" image makes it all feel even darker.Plus, Charlie XCX said goodbye to Brat Summer vibes and hello to her new rock era, except she didn't actually say she was making a rock album—and the internet can't agree on whether this is genius or missing the mark. We're breaking down the divisive two-minute song and why people are wondering if lightning will strike twice.And finally, Jerry Seinfeld just made the case that Friends totally copied his show, and we're settling the ultimate sitcom debate once and for all—with one of us absolutely dying on the Seinfeld hill.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, the Hemsworth twins enter their depo baby era. Plus, Keli Holiday has been booted out of the US mid-tour and nobody knows exactly why, and the Kyle and Jackie O replacement saga has a very interesting new twist. ☕ Chris Hemsworth's twins make their acting debut in mum Elsa Pataky's new show  ☕ Keli Holiday is denied re-entry into the US mid-tour ☕ Dubai broadcaster Kris Fade confirms talks with ARN to replace Kyle Sandilands ☕ A sneak peek at Delta's Eurovision performance ☕ We sit down with Westlife ahead of their 25th anniversary Australian tour THE END BITS Once you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here. Find our new Bridgerton podcast in the Watch Party feed on Apple or Spotify. Support independent women's media Follow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here. Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here. CREDITS Host & Producer: Ash London Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The romantic recession is officially over. We’re deep-diving into the massive slate of book-to-screen adaptations just announced, including the spicy hockey romance the internet is obsessed with, and the cult-classic fake dating story finally getting the movie treatment. If you’ve spent the last year spiralling over these characters on TikTok, your weekend plans for the next two years are officially sorted.Then, we’re looking at the "terrifying" side of technology that has one of our favourite leading ladies calling out "losers" in the industry. From massive layoffs at a major studio to the digital ‘resurrection’ of an iconic actor, we explore the high-stakes feud between creative souls and the robots taking over Hollywood.Plus, a look at the historic night where a young star’s vision became a reality. We’re breaking down the wins from the biggest night in British TV and the heartbreaking tribute to a late, great icon that left the room in tears.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, Kim Kardashian has done something genuinely beautiful for incarcerated mums, Britney Spears has broken her silence after rehab, and Taylor Swift's lawyers have turned the savagery up to 11. ☕ Kim Kardashian's Mother's Day surprise for incarcerated Mums  ☕ Lenny Kravitz shows some very public approval for Harry ☕ Taylor Swift's lawyers call a showgirl's trademark lawsuit "meritless" and "absurd" ☕ Britney Spears speaks out after rehab ☕ Maren Morris has been secretly donating all her meet and greet money ☕ Kevin McKidd says he'd return to Grey's Anatomy "in a heartbeat" THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel.Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Test your knowledge and take our Devil Wears Prada quiz here!Gird your loins, because we’ve waited 20 years for this moment, and now we’re finally breaking down the sequel to the most iconic fashion movie of all time.From the A-list celebrity cameos that were left on the cutting room floor to the ‘recession indicator’ vibes of the new Runway offices, we’re dissecting whether this return to the high-stakes world of elite publishing actually sticks the landing.Plus, we’re deep-diving into why the sequel’s central romance felt like a ‘situationship’ gone wrong and unpacking the brutal line of dialogue that has the internet reeling and why one specific scene felt like a personal betrayal to the lead character's mythology.From the 'horror movie' reality of modern digital media to the unexpected pop star collab that stole the final act, we’re revealing everything that worked and everything that made us cringe.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

If your idea of a perfect weekend involves a high-energy 3D concert experience where the audience is literally moshing in the cinema aisles, we have the ultimate recco from a global pop icon.We’re also talking about the heartwarming adaptation of a best-selling novel featuring a very sassy, very smart sea creature and a retired cleaner with a mystery to solve.Finally, we unpack a quirky new film about a flock of woolly detectives that features one of our favourite leading men, and has been crowned Em's favourite movie of the year (so far).Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. Read more weekly watch recommendations from the Mamamia entertainment team here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                                                                                                                                           You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast. 00:11Speaker 2 From Mom and May. I welcome to this bill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm em Vernon and I'm Anihaiswarren, and we are doing we can Everything with my voice gone as well. It does not sound as nice as my previous weeks, because previous weeks does sound quite nice. 00:29Speaker 1 You've got a nice little husk going though. I feel like it's quite sexy. 00:32Speaker 2 I kind of hope it stays like this. 00:35Speaker 3 You're doing a bit of scar jokes and make my throat very dry though, so not good for you, but good for the people. 00:43Speaker 2 Yeah, good for everyone else. Anyway. It's our weekend Watch episode where we give you our favorite movies and TV shows to watch this weekend. On the show today, we have a movie that you can dance to in your living room or on the cinema stage. And we also have a movie that you can vibe with, laugh with, investigate. 01:05Speaker 1 With, talk with. You went on a real journey with that movie. 01:08Speaker 2 Oh my god, I have so much to say, spillers, But first, mon, you have a movie that's been on your radar recently. 01:14Speaker 3 Yes, so there's a movie that's coming out today and I haven't seen it yet because it only drops later tonight. 01:20Speaker 1 But I'm really excited about it because I've read the book. 01:22Speaker 3 Oh so I think a lot of people would have heard of this, because I think a lot of people are reading it right now. Literally went to the park the other day and I saw a woman get out of a book and it was this book. It's everywhere. You might recognize it as the bright yellow book with the octopus on it, yes, but it's called Remarkably Bright Creatures. 01:38Speaker 2 I've heard very, very good things about this book. 01:40Speaker 3 Yeah, it's spent more than sixty four weeks on the New York Times bestseller list. It's written by this lady called Shelby van Pelt. 01:48Speaker 1 I don't know any of her other work, but she wrote this book. 01:51Speaker 3 And I actually read it from my book club and I aced the quiz, so it did really well, And I want to free your. 01:56Speaker 2 Book club has quizzes? 01:58Speaker 1 Shall we do a quiz? We take it very serious, not one of. 02:00Speaker 2 Those meant to be fun and enjoyed. 02:03Speaker 1 It's fun and you learn things. Emily. 02:06Speaker 3 So the plot is basically the main character is called Tova Sullivan. She's this woman in her seventies she's retired, but she doesn't fully want to retire, so she still has this part time job cleaning the aquarium and the aquarium the town aquarium. Yeah, it's the aquarium of the town. And she forms a bond. Nothing weird, but she forms a bond with this octopus called Marcellus. 02:29Speaker 2 Is it like a sexual book. 02:30Speaker 3 It's not a sexual pod. It's more of a deeper emotional connection. 02:34Speaker 1 He just gets her. 02:35Speaker 2 Octopuses are meant to be very smart creatures. Isn't it octopi not octopuses. 02:39Speaker 1 I don't think it's octopi. Well, there's no plural in this because it's only one o. 02:43Speaker 2 Well, this octopus seems like he is he or she he muscles, is very smart. So this we have an octopus that would guess who would win the fief for World Cup. 02:52Speaker 3 Yes, so there's all these videos of octopus octopi that. 02:56Speaker 2 Go viral and she doesn't take it seriously. 02:59Speaker 1 But okay, well I'm pretty sure that's what it is. But the woman who wrote. 03:03Speaker 3 This book got inspired by one of those viral videos of the octopus doing something smart. She was like, oh, they're so smart, and then she like wrote this book and there's. 03:10Speaker 1 Parts that are from the octopus perspective. 03:12Speaker 2 They love crazy imaginations. I know, I watched that video and I was like, cool, that made like a massive career out of writing this, Like she's a. 03:21Speaker 3 Seller book, actually great character inspoke, So there's little parts of book that are from the octopus perspective. And he's quite like, I'm sure it's a good book. He said that he's quite disdainful of humans. He's always like, I don't know, he's always kind of like looking down on them. 03:36Speaker 1 It's kind of comic relief in the book club. 03:38Speaker 3 People were divided over whether he's very annoying or very lovable. 03:42Speaker 1 Ah, but anyway. 03:44Speaker 3 It premiered at Sundance earlier this year and was very well received, very warm reception, so I'm very excited to see it. Sally's Field is playing Toba, and Lewis Pullman is in it. He's playing Cameron, who's this other character, Who's this. 03:56Speaker 1 Guy who's like thirty. Honestly, he really annoyed me in it. 03:58Speaker 2 He's just kind of like thirty. 04:00Speaker 1 He's just trying to like, he just has nothing figured out. He just has he's always like. 04:05Speaker 2 Him a break, he's down thirty everything's always breaking. 04:08Speaker 1 His camper van's always breaking. I think it's it is. 04:12Speaker 3 If you read it, you do mean everything goes wrong and it's sort of his fault and you just get it together cameraon. 04:18Speaker 1 But anyway, he's also a lead character. So very excited to see it. I think it'll be quite a heartwarming watch. It's quite emotion I. 04:24Speaker 2 Think, do you think I should read the book before I watch it? 04:27Speaker 3 Yeah? Maybe if you can be bothered. But it's going to come out tonight, so I don't know if you want to be part of the cultural movement, and yeah, maybe I'll just watch the movie. 04:34Speaker 1 Maybe just watch it. 04:35Speaker 3 So it's out on Netflix, I believe around five pm tonight, remarkably Brian creatures. 04:40Speaker 2 I'm excited. 04:42Speaker 3 Okay, So I went to see a movie this week where I have to say, I haven't been to a movie where the atmosphere in the audience was like this crazy for a while. It was the Billie Eilish Hit Me Hard and Soft tour, like the live concert experience in three D. 04:58Speaker 1 The day of a show, it just feels like any day at all. 05:02Speaker 4 I just feel like I'm like going to hang out with my friends. 05:05Speaker 2 Here I go. 05:08Speaker 4 To see the scrapes on my hands that is from the fans. I want to feel like it's me and them. You love that. 05:20Speaker 1 I love that. It was really good. 05:24Speaker 3 And I've never gone to a stadium tour of hers, like I didn't go to this tour. I've seen her at festivals when she was on the way up, like it grew in the moon and stuff, but. 05:31Speaker 1 I have never cared. 05:32Speaker 3 I've never seen her well after this, I really want to because she's amazing. I feel like I went to the concert because the crowd were like super fans, so everyone was there dressed in their like caps and kind of like dressed like her and were full like singing along. It was kind of like with the Ears tour with Taylor Swift, how people would go down to the front and like marsh in. 05:51Speaker 2 The like was there a marsh in your cinema? 05:53Speaker 1 There was a mosh in my cinema. 05:55Speaker 3 And the guy next to me was honestly, he brought a lot of the vibes like I wish I could recommend this movie. Sitting next to this particular man, he was like every time she did like a vocal run, he'd be like, yeah, he's kind of like do it along, and then he'd follow along every now and then be like, WHOA, I killed that anyway, So he was very invested. Would you consider yourself a Billie Eilish fan? 06:16Speaker 2 I would consider myself like, yeah, I would say I'm a fan of her music, but I don't know much about her as a person, and I don't think I would like when she came to Sydney. I think it was like a year ago she came to Sydney. I wasn't a big fan enough then to be like, Okay, I'm going to fork out for a concert ticket because concert tickets are expensive. 06:36Speaker 1 They are really expensive. 06:37Speaker 2 As you guys mentioned on the spill, this is. 06:40Speaker 1 A prime example of it. So I would say the same. 06:43Speaker 3 I really like a music, definitely not like a hardcore fan. So I went into it being like, oh am I going to be like a big enough fan to really enjoy this movie. But I really did. And I will say there were probably only like two songs I didn't recognize, like she has so many bangers. 06:56Speaker 2 Yeah, just keep going, and she's an excellent performer and live singer. 07:00Speaker 3 Because she obviously has so many deep emotional, moody songs. Me and my friend who went, We were like, whoa kind of like, you know, feels right now, but then it will suddenly be like bad guy and the whole cinema goes crazy. And it's obviously such a good way to get to experience that if you didn't go to the concert as well. I was thinking before the only concert films I can remember seeing other than this are the Eras Tour and then like never say never, the justin Peoble. 07:21Speaker 2 One, Oh yeah, oh did you ever you know which one I went to which when I was like quite young, like I was in primary school. The Hannah Montana concert me Miley Cyrus. 07:33Speaker 1 I did actually watch that too, and that was crazy. 07:36Speaker 2 Every time one of the Jonas brothers came on screen, every young girl in the cinema would just scream ahead off And I was like, because I was quite a mature young person, so I was like, they're not really there, They're not there. 07:48Speaker 3 I'm so glad you were there to clarify that I was such a looser. 07:51Speaker 2 I was like scolding these kids my age. 07:53Speaker 1 Yeah, like, thank thanks everyone. 07:56Speaker 3 So I feel like this one was different to sort of like the Ears to where it's just the concert films because they had these little behind the scenes interview bits with her as well on the day of the concert, and she it was done in collaboration with James Cameron, like he was one of the directors. 08:10Speaker 2 Oh wow, kind of friend. 08:11Speaker 1 I'm like in between avatars. 08:12Speaker 2 Yes, he's I need to show people the length of my work, not like blue people. 08:17Speaker 1 I'm more than that. 08:18Speaker 2 I'm more than avatar. 08:19Speaker 3 And the way it's shot is great, like the way she has such hypnotic eyes and the way she sort of stares down the camera. 08:25Speaker 2 And the way she does her makeup. I remember one of her I think it was Vogue where they do like the celebrities and how they do their makeup, and like her video went completely viral because of the way she does the eyeliner is so intense. 08:36Speaker 3 They show that in this too, where she sort of tweaks it on the end. She does all her hair and makeup for the tour herself. 08:42Speaker 2 That's crazy. And she's so good at makeup because her face always looks beat. 08:47Speaker 3 Yeah, she looked really great, and she talked about some really interesting things in the interview bits that he did with her, so she sort of explained her reasoning for why she dresses in the kind of basketball jersey and like baggy shorts for the concert, and she sort of spoke about how there's not that many female pop stars who don't do the whole like dress up and look really sexy kind of thing. Obviously we see that more with like Taylor Swift, Sabrina carp and to take and prey all those people, and she was like, I just didn't really want to have to do that because when I was growing up watching rap artists and they would just run around the stage being so comfortable and free, I just wanted to be like that, and she didn't see other women doing that, so she really wanted to be that for like the next generation of girls. 09:24Speaker 2 That's so cute. 09:25Speaker 1 Yeah, So I thought. 09:26Speaker 3 They showed really interesting things like that, a lot of interviews with the fans, and then also sort of showed how she is as a creative, like she's really involved in the lighting, she's really involved in everything to do with the stadium more than just like getting up there and singing. And then one thing I thought was really cute is that every town that they go to, they kind of connect with a rescue dog center and they bring in dogs for the crew and the other band members to like. 09:49Speaker 1 Have us like little therapy dogs and they play with them. 09:51Speaker 2 Shut up, why do we do that here? 09:53Speaker 1 And we should bring that. 09:55Speaker 2 We just had a dog in our studio just sleeping over there. 09:57Speaker 1 I think the podcast would be better. 09:58Speaker 2 Yeah, let's put that in our next like quarterly review. I want to do this, improvements to me for yourself, And I was like, improvements for everyone else bringing dogs. 10:10Speaker 3 So yeah, Billy Eilish hit me hard and soft. The tour live, it's out in cinema's now. Probably a good one if you have kids as well. I feel like all the like there were a lot of children there and they were really getting into it too, so. 10:20Speaker 2 Yeah, good family experience. Okay, I need to talk about a movie that I saw over the weekend. I was very lucky. I got to go to the Sydney screening of this movie. And when you know it's a weekend screening, it means there's going to be a lot of kids there. Because kids can come out in the weekend. 10:39Speaker 1 They're like vampires at night on the weekend. 10:41Speaker 2 We never see them throughout the week. We only see them on the weekend. So I went to the screening much similar to you, chaotic crowd, vibe vibes, a lot of children. And I was sitting next to Tina Burke and a few of us, and someone was like, Oh my god, look at all those kids over there. Look how many there are. And I was like, Oh my god, that's crazy. And then I realized those kids, all of them belonged to exact producer Georgie Page, all eight all millions of kids. There's like a million kids in that theater. Whoever went to Sheep Detectives in the weekend? All those kids you saw, all Georgie Pages kids, every single one of them. It was such a fun movie. Oh sorry, it's called Sheep Detectives. I should have lived with that. 11:22Speaker 1 The movie you've been talking about, a wee movie. 11:25Speaker 3 Of the year. 11:26Speaker 2 I reckon. I think Tina Burke agrees with me. Georgie, do you agree with me? She says, best movie ever. 11:33Speaker 5 If there's one secret to happiness in. 11:35Speaker 3 My life, it's taking care of the kindest creatures on earth, sheep. 11:42Speaker 4 I'm keeping them well fed, well groomed, and. 11:45Speaker 2 Each day read out loud to them mysteries who've done it? I know who the killer was. 11:51Speaker 1 Our shepherd was murdered and we shall solve the crime. I am George Hardy's lawyer. 11:57Speaker 5 He wrote and will in the night Time stories that people and the will are always the suspects. 12:01Speaker 2 That man had nothing. 12:03Speaker 1 Well, actually there is thirty million dollars and we have our motive. 12:09Speaker 2 It is so good. I regret not bringing more people because I want everyone to watch this. 12:15Speaker 3 You're like, why didn't they shut down the street at the State Theater like for dettlewors Prada. 12:19Speaker 2 I actually reckon, Hugh Jackman should have done like a big premiere here, Like, the reception for this movie is huge? 12:25Speaker 1 So is he in it quite a lot? 12:27Speaker 2 He's yes, he's in trailer. 12:29Speaker 1 Didn't make it seem that way. 12:30Speaker 2 Because his character dies very early on in the movie, which is also shown in the trailer, but he comes back during like flashbacks and stuff like that. So he's in like the whole length of the movie as an actor. Okay, but it's the highest rated movie he's ever done. 12:43Speaker 1 That's so unfortunate for him. What about the Greatest Showman? I thought that the guy's literally Wolverine. 12:52Speaker 2 Sorry, Hugh, but it is what it is anyway, sheep detective what it's about? So yes, Hugh Jackman is I would say the main character. He plays a shepherd who owns like this flock of sheep, and they're not like you know how when you see a flock of sheep, how they all look the same. 13:08Speaker 4 Not. 13:10Speaker 2 I think he like collects him throughout his life, so they're all like kind of like sheep who have just all come together. Anyways, he loves his sheep so much. She lives in just like a little caravan on his like field. And every night he reads detective stories to his sheep, and they say and he thinks he's just having a good time reading stories to his sheep, and then when he goes inside, it's shown to the audience that the sheep actually understand everything he's been saying, and they get really into the detective stories. His I was gonna say, the main sheep, his main sheep, the top sheep. His name is Lily. 13:46Speaker 1 Oh, it's a woman. It's a woman. 13:48Speaker 2 And she is played by Julia Louis Dreyfuss. Oh, very very good. She is like so well done. The other main character sheep is Sebastian and he's played by Brian Cranson, also really well done. 14:00Speaker 3 They played by just the voice, the voice voice. They're not there the voice. The sheep are very much Cgi sheep, and they're very very cute anyway, So what happens. Hugh Jackman murdered. I forgot his real name in the movie. We're calling him Hugh Jackman. 14:17Speaker 2 But you're not spoiling because he's in the trailer. It's in the trailer. He gets murdered, and then the sheep decide to investigate his murder because they know so much about murder because he's been reading them all these detective stories. 14:28Speaker 1 It's almost like he knew it was gonna happen. 14:30Speaker 2 Ah nice, And it's really hard for the sheep because they've never left their flock and they've never left the field, so even just crossing a road, they've never seen a road before. The Steaks couldn't be high of the sheep leaving their field to get into the town because the stupid humans don't know what they're doing. Nicholas Braun is the main police guy and the only police guy of the town. He has no idea what he's doing. He's busy taking orders from Emma Thompson and she's just the lawyer. She has no idea what she's doing, so the have to keep giving the humans clues so they can help investigate Hugh Jackman's death. 15:05Speaker 3 Do you know there's actually a lot of parallels to this in the Octopus book, because the octopus. 15:08Speaker 1 Helped solve a mystery. I forgot to say that. 15:10Speaker 3 So there's a running commentary that humans need to listen to animals more. 15:14Speaker 2 Okay, whatever, No, it's true. I think humans need to listen to animals more. And in the end, they do listen to them. I mean not physically. They still can't understand what they're saying, but they do listen to them. But there was a lot of good analogies in this, So, like the sheep do this thing where they all come down to three to forget what they just experience. So it's all about like kind of like living in your trauma, not always like pushing things aside and trying to forget it. 15:41Speaker 1 So what but count down to three to forget what they're just seeing because they were. 15:44Speaker 2 Like, Hugh Jackman just died. Everyone, let's forget this. This was so terrible. One, two, three, And then they forget it. But then they were like, no, we deserve to remember Hugh Jackman. He did so much for our life and for our flock. But then, but then I looked into this, this is not a thing that sheep do. Sheep have actually very good memories and remember everything. 16:02Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't expect so that was kind of a PLoP hole in the movie. 16:06Speaker 1 I thought this was steeped. 16:07Speaker 2 In real sheep yess. Yes, what is a real sheep? Fact though, is that there's a cute little lamb in the movie that's like really like muddy and dirty, and the other sheep want nothing to do with it because it's the winter lamb and usually when lambs are born in the winter gets rejected by. 16:24Speaker 1 The flock so they die. 16:26Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, this one didn't die spoilers, but like Hugh Jackman's the only one that really loves it, and he died. He dies, And now who's gonna love the lamb? 16:36Speaker 1 I'm gonna want you to forget that? 16:38Speaker 4 What? 16:39Speaker 2 Two? 16:39Speaker 4 Three? 16:40Speaker 1 What lamb? 16:41Speaker 2 What is this place? Where am I? But anyway, okay, I do want to say that this movie, although it's like marketed towards kids and family, it is such a good movie and it's also has really deep themes that I didn't expect from a kid's movie, kind of like int like where like you know how adults like draw so many like parallels to it. It's one of those really good movies. It's also much sader than what I expected. And because the whole thing's in a mystery, it's kind of like a Sherlock's Home vibe where you're like trying to guess who the killer is A body kid next to me guessed it in two seconds. 17:19Speaker 1 We like, don't spoil it. 17:21Speaker 2 Well, the person came on screen and the kid next to me was like, that person did it, And I was like, kids are so stupid. And then as I was watching, I was like, oh, maybe they're just I think that might be And then yeah, that eight year old kid next to me just spoiled the whole movie. But you know what, kids are smart. I guess. 17:38Speaker 3 Well, it's really good though, when they do those movies that parents can also genuinely enjoy, not just like you know some like Duck. 17:44Speaker 4 Well. 17:45Speaker 2 Everyone from our team were just like full adults. We didn't besides Georgie, we all bought other adult people. 17:50Speaker 3 You guys decided Saturday, this is what I'm doing and watching some sheeps of. 17:54Speaker 2 The Murder and I'm so glad I did. I really want to watch it again. 17:57Speaker 1 Now you have really sold it. I want to see it now. 17:59Speaker 2 Oh my god, it's so good. Anyway, that's sheep detectives in cinemas. Yes, you can take your family, but I promise you you will enjoy it more than your kids. 18:07Speaker 1 Thank you so much for listening to this spill. 18:09Speaker 3 We have another super exciting episode dropping this afternoon, a brutally honest review of a film that you absolutely don't. 18:16Speaker 1 Want to miss. Emma and Laura are unpacking all of it. 18:19Speaker 3 This fill is produced by me Minishiuslawn with a video production by Michael Keene and we'll see you this afternoon. 18:25Speaker 5 Bye see ya, Mamma. Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. 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Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                                                                                                   From Mom and Mia. 00:02Speaker 2 Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. 00:05Speaker 1 I'm m Vernon and. 00:06Speaker 3 I'm Brief Player, executive producer of MoMA MIA's interview podcast No Filter, and former magazine editor. 00:12Speaker 1 We had a full intro. That's that's my intro. That's what I'm told to say. I love that. Well. I know yours is just your name, but you. 00:20Speaker 2 Know what that's because I don't know what's going on for me. 00:23Speaker 3 That is, it's because you are a name. It's because your talented girl too. Oh okay, well player. 00:28Speaker 1 Does stand out. 00:29Speaker 4 Well. 00:29Speaker 2 A name that is missing is LB Laura Brodney. It is she is having some fun with her family and we are holding down the fort LB. 00:38Speaker 1 If you're listening, no you're not. It's fun. We've got this. 00:42Speaker 2 Today on the show, we are going to be talking about a very firm statement a production company has put out towards its fan base of a very cult favorite show and what this means, I guess, for the future of film sets. We're also talking about how a lot of hot men doing a bit of. 01:00Speaker 1 A career turn. We're not complaining, we are, no, we are quite the opposite. 01:06Speaker 2 Really, But first I need to talk about our friend Victoria Beckham, so friend of the show, friend of the show, show of the podcast. So she recently went on Emma Gred's podcast. It's like over an hour long interview. Emma Greed, if you don't know, has developed so many of the Kardashian brands. She's like CEO of Chloe's Jean's brand, she was co founder of Skims. She's very very well known in the girl boss industry. 01:32Speaker 3 The girl is actually such an apt description. 01:36Speaker 1 I love it. 01:37Speaker 2 So Vibi did this interview with her, and there's so many juicy things in it. If you haven't watched her documentary on Netflix, you now don't need to. You just need to listen to this interview because she pretty much covers everything she says in the documentary. 01:51Speaker 1 She talks about her kids. 01:54Speaker 2 You know, when you're watching a YouTube interview and it like has the most replay, it shows you the most replayed moments literally about her talking about her kids and the differences between parenting children versus parenting adults. We've talked about bestie Brooklyn Beckham and everything that's going on between him and his mom. Best friend of the show, best friend of the show. She also talked about the alleged affair. She talked about her company making money, losing money, making money again. 02:20Speaker 3 It's super unusual for Victoria to give a like a big deep dive interview as well, so I think. 02:26Speaker 2 Like girl Boss to girl Boss, felt like it was environment Yeah, but like to be fair, a lot of the stuff she talks about with her company and her both her fashion brand and beauty brand is like really really interesting where she talks about She covered it in the documentary as well, but I guess emm agreed asks those really like kind of personal business se questions where she mixes business questions with lifestyle questions. There is one part of the podcast so that I really want to discuss, yes, and it's the part that no one's really talking about. It's her day in the live. 03:01Speaker 1 It's the highlight of the podcast for me. I just love to know. 03:05Speaker 2 What celebrity millionaires and billionaires are doing every day so I can try to replicate it in my sad little life. 03:12Speaker 3 On weekends, because we have jobs. 03:16Speaker 1 Because we have real jobs, real jobs. Should I take you through it? Yes? Oh please please? Okay, she's almost the weekend. I need to know, we need to. 03:23Speaker 2 Know okay, So she says, we get up every morning, thank God, off to a strong style. 03:31Speaker 1 We get up every single morning. That's crazy. 03:34Speaker 2 We get up every morning and we make Harper breakfast. What I've noticed in this day in the live, she doesn't mention about her own eating habits, because we all know she eats steamed fish and veggies every single day. And I don't think she wants to keep marketing that because I don't think she really wants a fish dealer. 03:49Speaker 1 She doesn't need it, doesn't need, she doesn't need, doesn't need a fish finger. 03:53Speaker 2 So they both make Harper breakfast. She says, if he's not traveling, David does the school run, she goes down to the gym. When she says down to the gym, I'm assuming downstairs. 04:03Speaker 3 And the like, Yeah, I don't think she's like popping going down the road, you know, the local like fitness first, no, non equivalent. 04:09Speaker 2 She's going down to the gym, and she does. Wait for forty five minutes. Then David comes back home, joins her, and then they work out together for another hour. 04:21Speaker 1 Oh, I know they're that couple. 04:23Speaker 2 An hour and forty five minutes every single morning in the gym that's a lot, girl, it's a lot. But she loves doing things with him. 04:29Speaker 1 Yeah, but like there are other things to do. Okay. 04:32Speaker 2 Then she says she goes to the office, which is ten minutes away from where she lives. 04:36Speaker 1 So I'm assuming the same time stamped this, Like, do we know, like when is she rolling into the now? 04:41Speaker 3 She kind of like, so it could be midday because if she's got up, we don't know when she gets up, made Harper breakfast or you know, being present for the breakfast making. 04:51Speaker 1 I can't see. I feel like it's David hands on not. 04:53Speaker 2 I feel like she'll make Harper like a juice and David makes the breakfast. 04:57Speaker 1 We know he cooks. He loves to cook. 04:58Speaker 3 And then like she's an arrow and forty five in the gym, has to shower, get I'm sure like that, you. 05:04Speaker 1 Know, becoming becoming BB. 05:06Speaker 3 Yeah, the day is not a quick time office mid day probably yeah, probably. 05:12Speaker 2 So she says it's only ten minutes away, so I'm assuming, like the same estate. 05:17Speaker 1 I'm assuming it's. 05:18Speaker 2 Like it's just next door, next door, a second home. Yeah, she says she goes in five days a week. Oh, what do we feel about that? Well, she says, I have to be there. It's where like all the ideas get made. There's something about going in every day, and I'm like, this sounds like a CEO who had hybrid working conditions and I told everyone. 05:40Speaker 1 To come here, to come back. 05:41Speaker 3 It's like, yeah, VB at the front line of pushing people back in the office's like, I. 05:45Speaker 1 Love being here all the time. Don't shut up, Phoebe. It's because you get to roll in a mid day. 05:50Speaker 2 Yes, And she says she doesn't travel that much. She only ever goes to New York because beauty. Her beauty brands in New York and her fashion brands in between London and Paris must be nice. 06:00Speaker 3 She has a lot of social engagements too, Like, I don't what she's doing this interview. 06:06Speaker 1 Yeah, on the weekend, probably. 06:09Speaker 2 Probably she's in the office five days with family time, Okay, I guess. 06:13Speaker 1 So. 06:13Speaker 2 She also says at six pm, they are all at home and they all have dinner together, no phones, they just talk about their days. 06:22Speaker 1 I love that. 06:22Speaker 2 Yeah, And she says that we are quite a traditional family. Most people won't believe that, but they are. 06:28Speaker 1 I believe that, but I think that it's ordained, like. 06:34Speaker 3 I don't know if it's well, we actually know for a fact it's not every child's choice to be part of that environment. But I can imagine they have strict rules about dinner together and no phones and yeah, well. 06:46Speaker 2 After everything that happened with like Brooklyn Beckham, I'm sure they are like quite strict parents. She also talked about how her daughter Harper is launching a skincare brand because she says that like her daughter used all of these like different skin cares and ruined her skin, and she wanted to create a really nice collection of like clean skin care for young girls to use, like sure, And I was like sure. I mean, like I'm kids meant to get acne. 07:17Speaker 1 Yeah, it's inevitable. Yeah, but it's good for them. 07:19Speaker 2 It's good for them. But as you know, I didn't really listen to any of that stuff. I was just like, let me know the day in the life. Yea other day in the life, and now we got it. So if you want to know what to do for to be Victoria Beckham, an hour and forty five minutes in the gym every morning. 07:31Speaker 1 That is in your house. Yeah, that's in your house. You have to have the gym in your house, and if. 07:35Speaker 3 You do go to work, it's down the road ten minutes. Yeah, and you're not really doing a commute. You're certainly not on the train. 07:40Speaker 1 You're fine, you'll do it. It's probably in you. I would say it's pretty easy to be VB. 07:44Speaker 3 But I don't know about an hour and forty five minutes in the gym every morning. 07:47Speaker 1 I'll give it a go tomorrow, I'm definitely not. No, I stop at waking up every day. We've got that down. I've got it down. Only five more steps to go. 07:58Speaker 2 So the summer turned pretty You might have heard of it. Yeah, she'll have a little old show. They're currently in the production of making the movie, which is meant to act as like the actual actual series finale. 08:11Speaker 1 Yes, this is it. 08:12Speaker 2 Yes, and they're currently filming. Recently, the production company that's doing so, on my Return, Pretty Amazon. 08:19Speaker 1 Tweeted this. 08:20Speaker 2 They said, we love the excitement, but sharing locations and visiting sets disrupts filming and creates real safety concerns for our cast and crew. We're working hard to create a protective bubble to make the best movie possible. Please help us protect the magic of Cousins. That's the place where it's set, not cousins in general, until it's ready to be shared after that. Jenny Hahn, who wrote the book and is also a big writer of the movie and the show, she also posted when people come to set, film and share videos, it disrupts the work and makes it harder for actors to get into character and causes unnecessary anxiety for them. 08:57Speaker 1 We often have to stop. 08:58Speaker 2 Production to clear crowds from the show, which breaks the crew's focus. This story means a lot to me, and I know it means a lot to you too. I want to give you the best version of this movie. Please help protect our process, right. 09:11Speaker 3 Oh, Look, like fervent fandoms are a double edged sword because like they need that. That's why they have had a successful series. It's why they've got this movie coming out. They wouldn't have that without the fans. And the fans are so so so passionate, and like in my heart, I'm a fangirl, I always will be, and I have so much love for fangirls and boys. 09:32Speaker 1 Yeah, and I just think like. 09:34Speaker 3 The reason why, like they're showing up because they love it so much. They want to be part of that world. And it's like it's super endearing, but I do understand why. You know, it's not necessarily conducive to a good set. 09:47Speaker 2 I think they've also like this set and crew in particular, I've had such like bad luck when it comes to like fans being so intense about the show. Because when I first read this, I was kind of like, I was a bit like boohoo. 09:59Speaker 1 Like, yeah, everyone loves the show. Nice, just be nice. 10:03Speaker 2 But then I remembered when they were filming the series finale of the last season of the summer I turned pretty where Belly goes to Paris, and a lot of it was filmed in Paris. They had to fly Gavin over also who played Jeremiah, even though Jeremiah had no scenes in Paris, because everyone was just so intense and guessing who she would choose, Conrad or Jeremiah. And then around the same time, they were putting out Statesmen saying please stop bullying our cast. 10:29Speaker 1 They're not their characters. 10:31Speaker 2 So they've really been through a lot with their fan base. But it's the same exactly what you said. I feel like if I was like walking around the US or in Europe and I saw that they were filming close to me, I wouldn't want to go. 10:45Speaker 1 Of course, I would want to have a look see. Of course I would take a couple of picks. 10:48Speaker 3 I don't know if I would necessarily share them on social media because that's just not my bag. 10:52Speaker 1 But I would show my friends. Yeah, I'd sit here and talk about it. I would literally talk about it like. 11:00Speaker 3 Yeah, like it's it's even if it's not your absolute favorite show. Like obviously there are people that are going, oh my god, I want to see them up close. Let's plan a trip, and like, you know that is happening. I know that happened a bit on the set of people we meet on vacation. 11:14Speaker 1 Yeah, but the. 11:15Speaker 3 Interactions were actually all really lovely and all the reports were fine, and there wasn't kind of a messaging sent out that I'm aware of that was like, don't do this. 11:23Speaker 1 But you know, fandoms are why a. 11:26Speaker 3 Lot of these projects get off the ground in the first place, especially if they're you know, they're based on a book or whatever, so they come with an inbuilt fan base, and so with that comes like this experience. 11:38Speaker 2 And I do think it's changed a lot as technology has changed. Very true to it, Jenny Hahn said, in her statement that it really disrupts the cast and the crew. Like imagine thinking you're filming a show and now you have like a live studio audience who're just like reacting to everything. Plus with the fans filming stuff and posting it online, it just creates like this bigger, bigger thing where was before It used to be like, oh my god, I was in the background of parks and recreation, did you see me? 12:06Speaker 3 I think, like, I find it frustrating when there's too many clips shared on my like for you page. For you that's it where you're like, I don't want to see it, and it's like, oh, like the way I was tapping interested on stuff when The Devil Wears Prata, like stuff was all coming. 12:22Speaker 2 That literally happened to me when I watched the second movie because I watched it in cinemas after you guys went to the big premiere and I was seeing scenes that I'd already seen on my TikTok. It's annoying, right because everyone was just filming them, yeah. 12:34Speaker 1 Filming the way, walking on the streets and everything. 12:36Speaker 3 But then it's also funny as well because we saw so many stills and footage from that film of Anne Hathaway and Patrick Brammel on the Street. It was so gorgeous and so romantic, and then like that was totally missing from the film. So that's a funny experience as well, because we've all been primed and it's almost like part of the promo. And that's actually really interesting because some productions, yeah, are like if you can't beat them, join them, and they're using it as an opportunity for promo. So we've seen that a lot with like they've been filming and they've wrapped filming now on Sunrise on the Reaping, which is like the next installment of the Hunger Games franchise. It's like the cast were encouraged to show stuff on their own like social media, like let's do it first. Yeah, yeah, so they're like McKenna grace was like all over it, and you know, she's so great on social media anyway. But we got a lot of behind the scenes stuff from that production and the movie doesn't come out till November, but they like really leaned into it and like knew that they had this really really really passionate fan base and so they were like feeding people from the start. 13:41Speaker 1 That's really smart. 13:42Speaker 2 I have a feeling Marvel kind of did the same for the New Spider Man movie because Tom Holland does a lot of his own stunts where they got like fans filming him, like jumping over cars and stuff in New York, and they were sharing those own videos on their own socials. It also really interesting, like can work way that kind of helps the production company or give them ideas. Do you remember when the first stills of It Ends with Us came out? Oh, and we were seeing lively in like those costs, like the most horrendous wardrobe choices, the most mirandous wardrobe choices. 14:19Speaker 3 And then it was just like mass trolling of like this she wearing? 14:25Speaker 1 What is this? 14:25Speaker 2 And then we still saw some quiet questionable efforts in that movie, but like the ones that we saw on des Moir were like not in the movie at all, very similarly love story. What they had as like the dress for Carolyne Bassett, the first. 14:39Speaker 3 First glimpse at both of them, both of them, it was like, that's not how they looked like they were wearing like h and M pieces like it just it wasn't reflective. 14:48Speaker 1 And that's so important, particularly for that story. 14:50Speaker 3 Because they're like, firstly, yeah, he had a lot of money, he dressed really well. He was like stylish and gorgeous and you know, but she was known FIRS style. That was a trademark, so to miss that and even like it was right down to the hair, like that's not what Carolyn's hair looked like, and then they started to change. When the show dropped, it was like it had been absolutely coarse corrected and then they nailed it. 15:14Speaker 1 So it is interesting to see and it must be helpful for them. 15:17Speaker 2 They're getting that live feedback as a film versus when a trailer goes out and then they see all the. 15:22Speaker 3 Feed test audience at the end, so like you can't then go await the wardrobe sucks, Like you can't go and reshoot the entire thing. So that's really yeah, that's been really beneficial for them. I've noticed as well. The next series of AHS has been like teasing so much from behind the scenes they've been doing. So they've got the core cast of Coven back, which is really exciting because like in my be in many people's opinion, Coven was the best season three, right, it was season three, that's like the Witch season that was set in Your Orleans absolutely incredible and like the cast so so stellar. Now, if you remember Jessica Lang, who was in the first maybe I think. 16:04Speaker 1 Five seasons, yes, I think. 16:06Speaker 3 So Dan left and when I said no, I'm done, I'm never going back, right, she was like adamant, like no, no, no, no. 16:14Speaker 1 No, guess who's back? 16:15Speaker 5 Shut up? 16:16Speaker 3 Yes, And it was announced on set like they had her in costume and they were like playing into it and they've been dropping in on st same. 16:24Speaker 1 As Emma Roberts is back. And of course her famous line is, hey, bitch, I bet you thought you saw the last of me. 16:30Speaker 3 So that's how she promo that she was back, which was so cool. 16:34Speaker 1 Oh my god, I love so. 16:36Speaker 3 Fun and like, as a fan of that series, I was so excited to like, it's like playing along from home from the start. 16:42Speaker 1 It also extends their run. It gets people excited from the start. That's so true. 16:46Speaker 2 I was thinking of massive cult shows where everyone's been obsessed with and movies where they had to like go through extra lengths just to make sure nothing's link. And I found this really interesting. Fun facts, fun facts for the girls in Sex and the City. The last episode, Sarah Jessica Parker said, they filmed. 17:05Speaker 1 Three this is traditional tragicity not and just like that. Yeah, okay, great, I'm a purist. I'm glad that we're talking about it. 17:12Speaker 2 So three different ending. So the first ending that we all saw on our screens is she ends up with Big. The second fake ending that they filmed was her coming back to New York alone, and the third one can guess, oh, her ending up with Alexander Petrov's no. No, And she was like, yeah, it was so obvious because they were such bad end. 17:38Speaker 3 Look, the one of her coming back to New York alone would have been nice, would have been like it would proper. Yes, I actually think maybe if the show was set today that she re that's so true. Back then everyone wanted a happy ending and we weren't. You know, the show was already revolutionary enough. 17:54Speaker 1 The people weren't. Back then, everyone was like, what would you do with that? And then yes, we don't understand. I don't understand, but now we know, we now we know. 18:03Speaker 2 Kit Harrington on Game of Throw Yeah said that because all of their scenes were filmed in like rural areas, like in forests and like snowy mountains. 18:12Speaker 1 You're a fan and you tricked out that you know what you deserved exactly? Do you take that video? You tell us what's going on. 18:19Speaker 2 But they said they had paparazzi were coming camouflage with these big with these big lenses, filming them like walking up like because everything in Game of Thrones would have been a leak, because even just seeing two characters together and Game of Thrones would have been a huge league, even seeing a character still alive, a character still alive, like a character who's like never met another character together. So everything was like really high stakes. So he said that they all had to film a certain number of fake scenes, like proper fake scenes that they knew would never I. 18:51Speaker 1 Just think of the money that's being spent, so much. 18:53Speaker 2 Money on production on actors with Game of Thrones. 18:58Speaker 1 What a waste of money because any name, you know what. 19:07Speaker 3 Us, choose your own adventure, release them all and the people can decide how it should have ended. 19:12Speaker 1 Agree. 19:12Speaker 2 Okay, And this is my favorite one in Avengers end Game. So if you haven't watched Endgame, this is going to be a spoiler. 19:20Speaker 1 But come on, it's been years and years. I haven't watched it. I probably never will. 19:24Speaker 2 Okay, well this is not going to be a huge, huge spoiler, but there's a scene where there's a funeral. So, like one of the characters dies and they all go to a funeral. They told Tom Holland and Mark Ruffalo, who are the two cast members known for accidentally leaking stuff. 19:39Speaker 1 Yeah, Tom Holland. 19:41Speaker 2 Tom Holland has given everyone Avenger plots. Yeah, his whole life, that's all he does, Avengers plots. They told the two of them that it was a wedding scene, and then they came dressed thinking they were filming a wedding scene and didn't realize. 19:54Speaker 1 Until they were there that it was a funeral. 19:56Speaker 2 And they still didn't tell them until the movie was released. Oh it was so only Robert Downey Jr. Was the only actor in that whole franchise to get the full script? 20:08Speaker 3 Is that because he was dead, because he whispered into a microphone. 20:13Speaker 1 Because he was dead, because he was don't tell anyone. 20:15Speaker 2 Yeah, so he was the only one. No one else everyone knew like bits and pieces. But Tom Holland literally thought the funeral scene he was filming for did. 20:23Speaker 1 The rest of the cart not realized when he was not there Robert because he also came there. He had to come. 20:32Speaker 3 That's so funny because that's not so much keeping it a secret from the fans. 20:38Speaker 2 Secret from the car so they don't accidentally. So Tom Holland couldn't actually like leak anything because he didn't know. 20:44Speaker 3 I want to know what film or TV set you would cross international date lines to go on stalk if it. 20:51Speaker 2 Was still filming, or if they did like another season or like brought it back to our screens. The Mindy Project, Oh I would, Oh my god, I would honestly get because like her whole thing was like she was a gynocologist, and I would literally get a doctorate and pretend that I'm a guyano and just to get on that set and be like I'm here to advise. I'm here to like, yeah, I'm here to see Mindy Kayling, here for miss Kayling. 21:19Speaker 1 Here for miss Kayling. 21:20Speaker 2 I'm here to advise as the doctor on set. Oh my god, I'd love that. 21:24Speaker 1 What would be yours? 21:25Speaker 6 Oh? 21:25Speaker 1 Look, if I'm looking backwards, it would be fleaback. That's such a good one. I feel like it would be fairly easy as well. 21:32Speaker 3 Yeah, I think so too. That would be pretty easy. Also, I feel like you're like. 21:36Speaker 1 Phoebe bit chill. 21:37Speaker 2 You know, she'd be so be excited to see you, would be I think she'dn't brite you on As a writer, I think so too. 21:42Speaker 1 Yeah, oh my god. And like looking forwards, I reckon that they'll have a bit of travel with the Hated Rivalry set next time. Oh yeah, they are going to have trouble. 21:52Speaker 3 Because if the summer I turned pretty is pulling out the fans for those two boys, imagine. 21:57Speaker 1 Taking it up a notch the Heated rivalry. 21:59Speaker 2 Will you give them so many points? Just film fake scenes, but make sure you release those ones to that. 22:04Speaker 1 Secluded cabin is suddenly going to look like it's got. 22:07Speaker 2 A great It's like, can you just remove the Airbnb signed from the lawn? 22:11Speaker 1 That'd be great. 22:13Speaker 3 Okay, And we have to talk about something that is joked around the Spill team that I have a doctrine in which she's Quinn. 22:20Speaker 1 Are you across Quinn? The app Quinn? 22:23Speaker 4 Oh? 22:23Speaker 1 When you say. 22:24Speaker 2 App Quinn, I am across it. When you just say Quinn general, I'm like, I don't think I met her. 22:30Speaker 1 The app quick Quinn. Yes. It is like audio erotica It is an app. 22:35Speaker 3 I came across it back at my last job when I was at Murray Claire and I was interviewing Thomas Dougherty. So Thomas Doherty you might remember from the reboot of Gossip Girls, and he's more recently and tell me lies. 22:48Speaker 1 Yes, he has a very chiseled jaw. He has a very chiseled jaw. 22:52Speaker 3 And despite the accent that he often sports in his shows, he's not American. 22:57Speaker 1 He's Scottish. So he's got a beautiful, beauty Scottish face. I couldn't get any better. He's got it. 23:03Speaker 3 And so Quinn is an app like you subscribe to. There's audio erotica on there, done by contributors, creators like normal guys out there. 23:13Speaker 1 It's like a sexy, calm app. It is, Yes, it's calm, but instead of falling asleep, you're getting horny. You're getting horned. Yeah, yeah, I like it because I. 23:22Speaker 2 Heard that women are more likely to get off on like audible sound versus visual. 23:30Speaker 3 Well it would seem so, and like I think, you know, that's the problem. A lot of like visual porn is not made for women, it's made for men. So this app, which was actually created by Caroline Spiegel, And if that name sounds familiar, it's because she's the sister of Snapchat creator Evan. 23:45Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, she's like and they're both sibling. 23:49Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, Nepo's sibling. But she's like cooler chica and has created something that's like way better for the. 23:54Speaker 1 Girlies and fun sibling duo. Yeah, which also means that she's sister in law. 24:01Speaker 2 They should do a collab time Snapchat. 24:06Speaker 7 They made share a video. 24:07Speaker 6 I don't know. 24:09Speaker 1 So she's created this space where it is like about women's pleasure, much needed, much needed space where it's the focus. It's like female run, female staffed business. Predominantly most of the background creators on it are female. The voices are predominantly male. There are some female voices on it too, because it's like male for female and female for female. Correct. 24:31Speaker 3 Something that they started doing, as I mentioned with Thomas Doherty, was doing these things they call quinn originals with famous men narrating audio erotica. 24:42Speaker 1 I love that. 24:43Speaker 3 So Thomas Doherty came first, so we have to like thank him because he. 24:52Speaker 1 Led the way. 24:53Speaker 3 And what has followed has been like the most astounding lineup of top tier a War winning, and I'm like, when I say award winning, I mean like, like, these are guys that are like Emmy Golden Globe like nominade winners. So I'm going to run you through the stuff, right, Okay. So there's been Jesse Williams, who, of course like, oh my god, those eyes plays Jackson Avery in Ray's Anatomy speaking of Flea Bag, which we just did Andrew. 25:21Speaker 1 The actors at which is like normal accent, yeah, with his Irish accent. Tom blythe tom blythe Beautiful tom Bly God, so many that we already talked about today. There is is like promo for Sunrise on the Things. 25:36Speaker 3 Yeah, well he's not in that unfortunately, no, because it's set so yeah, so Ray Fines actually plays Snow in that one. Okay, Yeah, so it's it's a bit less sexy because tom blythe isn't in it, but Beautiful tom blythe Chris Brinney from the Summer Return pretty again another thing, yes, so okay, but also not only are they getting these men to do it, they're really explicit like they're not tame, right, They're not. So they're getting them to say yes to it. They're getting them to do it. There's sound effects and everything, and they're. 26:09Speaker 1 Getting them to do it at the exact. 26:11Speaker 3 Time that like their major project is. So when the summertime Pretty season three came out, that's when. 26:18Speaker 1 Chris's episode dropped. Wow, same as like okay, that's smart dropped. Like They're so amazing the way they're able to get them. 26:26Speaker 3 And as someone who like books talent, right, that's my job here, that's what I do for No Filter, I book the talent and when I worked in magazines, I booked the cover star talent. 26:36Speaker 1 Right. 26:36Speaker 3 It is hard, like there is like they have not much time to spare. It is hard to get someone like everyone's chasing them, especially when they're on for like those projects. So it is amazing to me how they've managed to get these guys to do this, which is like quite a hard sell I would imagine at the start. But I think that because of the lineup they've had, it's getting easier and easier because when you look at that roster, if you're like a talent manager and you look and you go, oh Andrew Scott, like wow, he's done this, like you know all of these like amazing actors, then you get more likely to show it and say hey, like. 27:11Speaker 1 Yeah, that's chat you. 27:12Speaker 2 And I also wonder because like Romanticy is like killing it in the genre game right now. 27:19Speaker 3 Funny you mention that because Jesse Williams, yeah, his one is themed around Romanticy still like a. 27:25Speaker 1 Very porn vie. I like that. 27:28Speaker 3 The other guys that have done it who we also just talked about was Connor Story and Hudson Williams stuff. 27:33Speaker 1 They did a series together. Of course they did. Of course they did, because that's. 27:36Speaker 3 What they can't do anything and they can yeah, they can never not do anything together. And there's plays into that same vibe as well. 27:42Speaker 2 Yeah, because it's like every like I mean, I'm a huge Romanticy reader, and like I know that a lot of production companies are thinking about taking these like books that everyone loves to the big screen. Like we know Michael B. Jordan's bought rights of a series that was like the whole room of him, like talking to Yarnha on the red carpet, everyone thinking she's going to be starring in one of his upcoming productions. 28:04Speaker 1 And I think this. 28:05Speaker 2 Is such a good opportunity for these men to like jump on this platform because you're obviously, if you're gonna listen, you're gonna visualize them. 28:13Speaker 1 Absolutely. It's not like an anonymous no, exactly what they like. And they all have like massive fan. 28:19Speaker 3 Bases and girls and the way that the Queen Girls tease the next celebrity on their TikTok and Instagram. You'll see like an arm or you'll. 28:26Speaker 1 See like I know that arm, well you do, because you're like I recognize those tattoos, I recognize those backsteps. 28:33Speaker 3 Well indeed, because the latest one to drop, the latest series was narrated by Sean Hattersey of The Pit. 28:42Speaker 1 Oh, he is such a good looking guy. He is such but everyone on the Pit is very good looking. Yeah, but especially those two sad, sad, sexy old doctors. 28:53Speaker 2 Right, oh my god, Okay, I'm really really you know now. 28:57Speaker 3 Okay, So when I hadn't watched The Pit because like, I don't. 29:00Speaker 1 Want to get around a medical drama. You know, you're very much like LB, like it's too real. 29:05Speaker 3 Yes, But then when I started seeing Sean hat to see on the Quinn's feed, I was like, he's really hot. And I've since watched The Pit now I love it, which is so I love that so they're very good, like Quinn seem very good at picking men who aren't just like super attractive and are doing really well in that. 29:21Speaker 1 Space, but also very like Zygeist. Yeah, like everyone's already talking about that. They absolutely nail it. 29:26Speaker 3 I'm going to give a shout out to the two girls at Quinn that run the social media, Brooke and Michayla. 29:32Speaker 1 You're doing guard's work. Girls. 29:33Speaker 3 Absolutely, they're like world class girls, girls what we want. They are both gorgeous, they're always on there, they're primoing, they're so funny. Yeah, you've got to get around on this great and they have really good taste in men because I can see like who they're tapping, you can you can see who that they picked. 29:52Speaker 1 But do you want to hear some? I definitely want to hear some? Okay, how do we want to do that? Shall I play you some and you can kind of guess who you think it is? Okay? 30:00Speaker 7 Yeah? 30:00Speaker 1 I like that, you like that? Okay, I'm nervous. Spillers. 30:05Speaker 2 If you're watching this on Apple podcasts or YouTube, close your eyes, don't look at me. 30:08Speaker 1 Do this. 30:11Speaker 5 I would take your clothes off until you were nothing, but you're underwear. I will get that sound out of you again, the one you made when you press your body into mind. 30:25Speaker 6 Oh, the pushing noises, breathless, desperate for some relief, and the pressure building inside you. 30:38Speaker 1 Oh my god, who do you think that is? Was that Chris Briny? No? Older? Older, much older? 30:47Speaker 3 Ah, I'm gonna read you the tags that were under the audio for that older man. 30:55Speaker 1 Forbidden romance, forbidden romance, mutual pining, sexting, nude picture, jealousy, personal backstory, consent, very important, it is important. M dom oh male dominant watching instructing you. Oh, it's my pit man. Sean had to see it is he sounds so young in. 31:18Speaker 3 That well they make so much feel like the breathy voice must be the breathiness. 31:22Speaker 1 I don't know. Maybe he just feels young because he's very exciting. 31:27Speaker 7 You like that? 31:28Speaker 1 All right, Let's try another one and say if you can guess who this is. 31:34Speaker 7 And you never even said a word about any of it to me. I thought you trusted me and we trusted each other, but you betrayed. 31:48Speaker 4 Me and no, no, I am Oh you're sorry. 32:01Speaker 7 Now you're sorry. Here, we've been sorry. We all that's your chance, prove it to me. 32:19Speaker 4 Beg. You heard me. 32:28Speaker 7 Beg. 32:33Speaker 4 Sorry isn't good enough? 32:36Speaker 7 Not for the anguish I should when you left me? 32:38Speaker 2 Oh my god, this could easily be Flee Back season three, Andrew, You're so right. 32:44Speaker 1 Yeah, So what's really funny is that not only do they like get these guys, and they get them when they're doing a major project. The story kind of weaves in a little instead of like Neil, he's saying, beg, beg, and he says it so well, and he says it so so well. 33:04Speaker 2 I wish I had like a transcript to reply to what are you saying? Because I was like, Oh, I didn't say sorry, but maybe I should have. 33:10Speaker 1 Maybe I should have. 33:11Speaker 3 Okay, and I'm going to play you one more Okay, this one I've chosen to show you just how explicit it can go. 33:20Speaker 1 Oh god, we're gonna have to beat that so much. 33:24Speaker 8 Do you want me to fill you up? 33:26Speaker 4 Darling? 33:28Speaker 1 And I will, but first the bed moving. 33:33Speaker 8 I need you to get me ready for you come here and Niel, whoa that? 33:41Speaker 1 And your leg's still working after that? 33:42Speaker 4 Darling? 33:44Speaker 8 Yeah, let me help you. You're so pretty like this so hazy from Climax on your knees for me. Do you see how hard do you make me? How much I love making you feel good? I need you to spit on it. 34:05Speaker 1 For me, please, my god. Someone British, right, someone British is a tom BLI. No, I don't know any British men. Okay, that one was Jamie Campbell Bauer. Oh my god, stranger things, Stranger things. That's guys, Oh my god. Just if you're like imagining, he is really hot in real life. He's really really beautiful in realize. 34:36Speaker 2 And this is actually a good strategy for him because a lot of people he played Bena's so good. 34:41Speaker 3 Yeah, he's very good at being scary that a lot of people just hated him. But he really just came out and this was actually he's done two series on Quicks. 34:49Speaker 1 He loves it, he loves it. 34:51Speaker 3 He's come back for more, and whenever he's asked about it in the interviews, he can't speak highly enough of it. He's like, my god, I love that it's a female led company. I love that it prioritizes women's pleasure. He's all over it, like dream man. I can talk about other days like he's love of my life. Right, So he's done two series of it, which is great news for all the fans of like ones that have been in the past thing like we want more, we want more. Jamie has like come back and done another one, so you never know what could happen. But the reason why I wanted to talk about this today is because this morning I woke up and did my morning scroll. I don't do it an hour and forty five minutes. 35:34Speaker 1 It's getting I scroll instare in TikTok instead. 35:37Speaker 3 And they're also very healthy habits, very healthy habits. They have started teasing their next Quinn original with a famous person. 35:49Speaker 1 Who is it. It would appear to be Sam Hewan from Outlander. 35:55Speaker 7 Stop. 35:56Speaker 1 They are so smart, good, are so blad, They so know what the girls want. 36:03Speaker 9 Oh, it's always hot men as well. They're always the hottest I know. And they also do you know what, they're all really good guys too. Yeah, there's no one on their rostar that you're like, oh, he's like there's complaints about him or there's something weird, Like they just they're good guys. 36:18Speaker 1 They do their background racent. 36:20Speaker 2 And it's also like this new wave of famous men and it's like I feel like it's a generational thing. Where like all the Hollywood men are kind of like aicked out by the like girl fan base because they. 36:30Speaker 1 Don't want to make movies for girls. 36:31Speaker 2 Yeshe was like, these men are leaning right in because we're the ones who are spending money to watch them exactly in our movies. Yeah, and they're like doing how I don't know, I feel like their career path, we're doing this is the absolute correct choice for them as well as like the Quinn girls, like I feel like it would have been so hard to develop like pretty much a pawn app for women, but also wanting it to be as like socially out there, like I feel like for women, firstly, no porn is ever made for women, and then for women. 37:02Speaker 1 To watch porn, we have to pretend we don't. 37:04Speaker 2 Yeah, and like with Quinn, it's like giving us a safe space to like share these videos with friends, to show them off and be like, yes, this is exactly what we want. 37:13Speaker 1 Well, that is so that it's so true. 37:15Speaker 3 And you know where one of the best places on the internet is the comments section, Yeah, Quinn's TikTok and Instagram, particularly TikTok because people are just funnier on there anyway. 37:25Speaker 1 But like I have this. 37:26Speaker 3 Theory that I know where all the hardcore directioners have grown up and gone, because no fan base was funnier, hornier, smarter the directions. 37:38Speaker 1 Now they're all Quin listeners. 37:40Speaker 2 They're all Queen listeners and probably Quinn writers. Yeah, Quinn, they're writing them scripts. 37:44Speaker 3 Yeah, but you know what they do tap really great writers to write these stories. 37:48Speaker 1 Well, it's like a proper like story. It's not like you're suddenly in the middle of it. No, no, no, It's it's like a beginning middle story. 37:58Speaker 3 So Jamie's story is like kind of a bit Draco Hermione coded. 38:02Speaker 1 It's one of those like Drake really good at. 38:04Speaker 3 Finding like the zeitgeisty things that the girlies are reading that's on platforms like AO three, which is like where all the. 38:10Speaker 1 Fan fit goes. 38:11Speaker 3 Speaking of I discovered on x there is so much AO three smart stories about the Pit. 38:19Speaker 1 It hasn't ever been going that long. 38:21Speaker 3 But the girls are at home like girls away, right, So I created the most like full on stories about the Pit. Okay, I need to know who you want to see next on Quinn. 38:31Speaker 1 Let me think who would be great? Can I tell you mine? 38:34Speaker 5 Yeah? 38:34Speaker 1 Can you tell me you tell me yours. 38:35Speaker 2 Well, I think I was thinking of this while we were just listening to those Donald Glover as childish Gambino. He was meant to come to send me to do a concert in like I think, I want to say, twenty eighteen nineteen, and he broke his foot and he couldn't perform, and I had bought VIP tickets for me and my sister and I wasn't even working then, and I sent him along Instagram message. I was disappointed that he didn't come. 39:02Speaker 1 And he didn't make it up to you by doing a Quinn. Yeah, he can make it up to me doing Quinn. 39:06Speaker 2 But I think, like I want my story to be him replying to me and going, okay, I'll do a private concept for you at my house. 39:13Speaker 1 Oh my god, I love this and that can be our whole queen story. 39:16Speaker 6 But actually went. 39:17Speaker 1 Out because you've put yourself in the narrative. I don't know what. 39:20Speaker 3 You're not wrong to do it, because that is actually the way that the stories are written. Like when you listen to them in the story, they're the partner in the story. 39:29Speaker 1 I like that. 39:30Speaker 3 Yeah, okay, I do have mine. Okay, it's Joseph Morgan. 39:35Speaker 1 It's Joseph. 39:36Speaker 3 He played Klaus in The Vampire Diaries and the Originals. 39:40Speaker 1 I need to look this up. I need to look this he makes look it up. He was like the really bad one. 39:45Speaker 3 He was like a really bad He's so sexy. He also has not aged, so I think he might. 39:50Speaker 1 Actually he's an English actor. He is an English actor. 39:54Speaker 3 He was so sexy as Klaus. I'd love him to just like can he as a vampire? 40:00Speaker 1 Yeah? Well a vampire. 40:01Speaker 3 He was a vampire werewolf highbrid because he was like way too powerful. 40:05Speaker 1 Oh, the most powerful and the bad guy. 40:07Speaker 3 Yeah, the most powerful and the bad guy. And I think he'd nail it, but I want him to do it as Klaus. 40:13Speaker 1 Yes, he would nail it. Yeah, canail You amen to that. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 40:22Speaker 3 If you enjoyed this episode, the best way you can support it is to give us a five star rating wherever you listen. It goes a long way in helping us continue to bring you the very best content. And don't forget weekend watch drops at six tomorrow. The Spill is produced by Manisha it Is Warren, with video production by Michael Keene, Bye, bye,Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hayden Panettiere has come out as bisexual at 36. Plus, Kesha continues to surprise and delight us, Justin Baldoni speaks after the court settlement and a stack of TV and movie development news! Woohoo! ☕ Hayden Panettiere comes out as bisexual ahead of her new memoir ☕ Kesha admits to wearing her...placenta around her neck.  Of course.  ☕ Justin Baldoni's lawyer says he's "ecstatic" about the Blake Lively settlement outcome ☕ New details emerge on why Helena Bonham Carter quit White Lotus ☕ Huge news for Harry Potter fans  ☕ Hocus Pocus 3 is happening, and all three Sanderson Sisters are back THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel.Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Good morning, angels. I hope you are absolutely glowing today because we have a cracker of an episode. I'm Axe London and there's so much going on. Shoud we just get into it. Let's just buddy, we'll get into it today. Hayden Panachier has come out, Kesha has been wearing something around her neck that makes me feel a little woozy. Justin Baldoni has something to say about the Black Lively settlement, and a huge update from the world of TV and movies was some exciting new projects just announced. So watch you wait for bebe Let's Possum tea first up. Hayden Panachier, best known for Heroes, Nashville and screen Franchise, has come out as bisexual at thirty six, ahead of the release of her memoir This is Me A Reckoning on May twelve. She told Us Weekly, now that I know this book is coming out and I've chosen to share it with the world, I'm comfortable to confidently say that, yes, I'm bisexual. 01:04Speaker 2 I said it. 01:05Speaker 1 That's the first time I got to say it out loud. She explained why it took so long with such clarity. She said it was never the right time. First she was too young and forced to be perfect at all times. Then came the period where people saw women coming out as bisexual as a fad, and she was terrified of being accused of jumping on a bandwagon. She also shared that she's dated women beginning from a very young age with a constant presence of paparazzi. Meant she never felt she could fully emotionally invest because here she did fall in love. That wasn't something that she wanted to ever have to hide. Well, he's to live in your truth, babe, Get a girl next time. My queen Kesha has made an interesting admission about a delightful piece of jewelry she's been choosing to wear around her neck. I mean, we look at the met gala where seeing the rock wearing a five point five million dollar watch. Half a million dollars were the pearls and other ladies and Kesha's guard, Nah, I've got something better at home, my plus center. 01:56Speaker 2 So your placenta supposedly gives you seconds, helps open your third eye, according to my mother. So she stuck it in the oven. She put it in a box, and she found it when I was like twenty one years old in the basement. Wait, she had to like fight for my placenta, my mom. They tried to take my placenta away from her at the hospital and she like fucking threw a conniption fit, and she fought for it. She fought for that. So now I carry it around. She put it in the oven, strapped it up in a box, stuck it in the basement. We found it, Throw it in the blender, pop it in a necklace work art. 02:42Speaker 1 A quick update on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni situation, because there's been a slight development overnight. Yesterday we reported that two head settled with no money changing hands and no apology from Baldoni. Now he's a lawyer. Brian Friedman has spoken to the press and the words he used were very deliberate. Of course, he said, I can't talk about the term of the settlement, but what I can tell you is that he is ecstatic. That both Jamie and Justin are ecstatic at the result of this and the settlement itself. They are very pleased with how this has ended up. Friedman also made the point that by the time settlement discussions began, Baldoni himself was no longer even a party to the case. Ten of the thirteen claims had been thrown out, and the remaining claims were against Wayfair Studios and its PR team, not Baldoni personally. He said, you're looking at this settlement as a winner or a loss. I think he just looks at it as a logical ending to a case is already out of Frankly, stick around. A TV and movie update awaits on the other side, from White Lotus to Hocus Pokis and Harry Potter. Welcome back to Morning to You, where I've got a stack of news about upcoming movies and TV shows, and we'll kick things off with the White Lotus as we're getting more and more information about what specifically caused the difference of opinions which led to Helena Bonham Carter quitting the show. According to Variety, the created differences came down to Mike White demanding a oysterous performance from her role of a washed up start chasing a Hollywood comeback bottom. Carter reportedly didn't want to deliver that what specifically was asked that she felt she couldn't give. I had many many questions they may never get answered. The door remains open for a future season. Apparently we live in hope. HBO has officially renewed it's Harry Potter series for season two before season one has even aired, which tells me one thing as Gond be good. Season one at Philosopher's Stone, Premier's Christmas Day twenty twenty six, I hope my family aren't expecting me to spend any time with them that day. Season two will adapt Chamber of Secrets and begins filming this autumn. John Brown, a writer from Succession, has been promoted to co showrunner for season two, joining current show run at Francesca Gardner. His quote on the news seems you're never too old to get your invitation to hog Quarts. I'm already sold obviously. And finally, hocus Pogus IIE is officially in early development at Disney Live Action Studios at all three Sanders Sisters, Sanders Sisters, Back, Vet Middler, Sarah, Desic Parker, and Kakinademia all confirmed to reprise their roles, and unlike Hocus Pocos two, which went straight to streaming, there are plans for a theatrical release this time and I will be in the cinema in full witch costume. I love this movie so much. Practical Magic two and Hocus Pocos three, What a time to be Witchie. And that, my Sweet Angels, is all I've got time for today. I hope you enjoyed your short hit up entertainment news for your Thursday morning. I'll be back on Monday with more of the good stuff, and in the meantime, make sure you check back in around three pm for the spill Digtive and Mass London. Your host executive producer is Minitius Warren and we're back next week. 05:37Speaker 2 Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. 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My name is manishaus Warren, producer of The Spell, but filling in today, and I'm joined by Pena provis And today We've got so much to get into. We're unpacking the blue dot phenomenon that's kind of destroying the music industry. Plus one of Hollywood's cutest couples has some exciting news, and we're bringing you on a bit of a walk down memory lane, a bit of a history lesson on how they met and fell in love. But first, a new trailer has dropped for a movie that I really couldn't be more excited about, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. Tina, Are you excited about the Odyssey? 00:36Speaker 3 I'm so excited because the cast looks insane and it just looks like it's going to be the biggest blockbuster. 00:43Speaker 2 Tell me where you remember my wife? As sorry, n. 00:51Speaker 1 Want more? 00:53Speaker 2 Help me go? 00:55Speaker 1 What do you do if he came back here and find all these shoots in his house. 00:59Speaker 2 Were plying you didn't even know? 01:02Speaker 1 Like I'm snaggling past looking after your wife, and so. 01:08Speaker 2 Do you see my dad is coming out when I watched it, I got a similar vibe to watching Dune, which I know you hadn't watched until recently. 01:20Speaker 1 I watched it now. 01:21Speaker 2 Yes, everyone, roll Across said, so, this is the first full length trailer that we've gotten the huge Christopher Nolan adaptation that's dropping in July. And it's based on the Odyssey, which is a classic Greek poem by Homer. It's one of the oldest surviving works of literature and one of the sort of foundational texts of Western literature. But there's been different variations along the way, like there's a retelling that's been done by Stephen Fry and now this big movie is coming out in July. How much do you know about the plot of the Odyssey. I don't know a lot about the plot. Okay, well I learned a lot about it today the trailer. I was like, I feel like I get a picture of what it is. So it's the story of Ody, who is the hero of this plot, and he is a legendary king of Ithaca and a war hero in Greek mythology, and he's trying to get back home after the Trojan War. 02:11Speaker 1 He's sort of like the original road Trip protagonist back home. 02:15Speaker 2 He's in a race against time to get home to his family, and the reason for that is basically because while he was away, a lot of new suitors have popped up who are trying to get with his wife, who's played by Anne Hathaway. 02:27Speaker 1 I love how you're describing it. Yeah, like, here's at a road troop. Everyone's trying to get with his wife. Think about it, Tina, It's a lot like LOI. 02:33Speaker 2 Yeah, the crazy way there's all these men, she's got to couple up with someone. She's got to get home before she couples up with someone else. And watching the trailer, it just really dawned on me how epic this is going to be, because, as you said, the cast is amazing. 02:46Speaker 1 It's that typical Christopher. 02:47Speaker 2 Nolan film where he loves to put a whole bunch of high profile people, even in the supporting roles, to really bring those to life. 02:54Speaker 1 Who are you most excited about in the cast? Liner Browert Patterson. Yeah, I'm just obsessed with him. 02:59Speaker 3 I feel like he's making such a comeback and I love seeing him back on our screens. And I'm excited for like the press run that they'll do because I just love him in all the interviews that he's been doing over the past year. 03:09Speaker 1 He also got a lot of airtime in the trailer. 03:12Speaker 3 Yeah, which I'm surprised because his character isn't the key lead, so I was surprised to see so. 03:17Speaker 1 Much of him in it. Yeah. 03:18Speaker 2 So he plays Antons, who's one of the main suitors who is competing for Penelope's affections, who's played by Anne Hathaway, And Yeah, I. 03:27Speaker 1 Just I thought I felt like I saw more of him than Matt Day. 03:29Speaker 3 Same same when I was kind of reading over like what had come out on the news, I was surprised, like and then getting a little bit of the gist of the plot, I actually thought. 03:37Speaker 1 Rob was going to be the lead. 03:39Speaker 2 Also, what to think of the kind of accent he was doing because he was giving Edward Collin. 03:43Speaker 1 Do you think it was a bit of a nix? I was like, is it a marriage? Do we just see him like that forever? He's just always going to be Edward Collin. 03:49Speaker 2 He can't break out of it. Zendaya is also in it. She plays Athena, but she wasn't in the trailer, but she's going to play the goddess of Wisdom and War who protects and guides Matt Damon on his journey home. I think the main thing I thought watching the trailer was they captured the urgency and the high stakes really well, like I was stressed. I was like, is he going to get back? Is he going to get back to his wife and son? They're going to be okay. So Tom Holland plays Telemachus, who is the son of the main character who's played by Matt Damon. So it'll be quite cute to see Tom Holland and Zendea both in this film. 04:20Speaker 1 I mean, what do you think of his name? 04:22Speaker 2 I think it sounds like a techno festival, but I just can't imagine someone saying that conversationally. 04:28Speaker 1 No, what's his nickname going to be? Telly? Kelly? Yeah, Kelly. 04:32Speaker 2 But he is also quite under threat in this because all the suitors who are going after his mum trying to get Penelope's affections just sort of kind of want him out of the picture. They want to clean slate to get in there enough. So of course the half of haters can't be stopped. So there's a scene of Anne Hathaway in the trailer and everyone's talking about this one second where she's doing really great acting. She's in the fields of it, but her facial expressions are rather which people are attributing to work being done. So there's just been a lot of common treas no one in Hollywood gets work done. I know, everyone's so unfairly mean to her. There's all these comments saying, you know, her eyebrows and her forehead aren't moving. They didn't have, you know, botox in twelve hundred BCE, so she's getting a little bit of flack for that. But it does look like she's going to be amazing in this movie, and she's having a huge year. So the movie is out July seventeenth. It's going to be a huge theatrical event. And if you want to watch the trailer, it looks visually stunning. So if you want to watch the full thing, there's a link to that in our show notes. 05:28Speaker 1 And yeah, just a few months to go. 05:30Speaker 3 So The Pussycat Dolls are the latest musical app to be struck down by Blue Dot Fever. Now I hadn't heard about this before, but it's basically like when you go on a ticket Master website and you have a look at like the seating map and all of the blue dots are all of the unsold seats. 05:46Speaker 1 So they've actually just had to cancel their tour. 05:49Speaker 3 They've come out with a statement saying that they've had to have a really honest look at the North American run and because of that, they've made the heartbreaking decision to cancel all the tour dates. Now, when I saw they announce their tour from Australia, I was excited for I was like, what a throwback. 06:03Speaker 1 I was excited too. 06:04Speaker 2 I just associate all their songs with you know when I grow up. Yes, like I'm eight years old and I'm like shaking my ass to this song that I don't appropriate. 06:14Speaker 3 Yeah, So it's really disappointing to hear that it has been called off. But they're not the only musical act in the past couple of weeks that have had to pause or you know, cancel their shows. So this follows post Malone. He's had to shift the dates to his tour. Megan Trainer has also canceled, and Zane Now, they all have various reasons for why they've had to cancel their top At the end of the day, they weren't really sold out, and the Pussycat Dolls are the only ones who've kind of acknowledged this. 06:42Speaker 1 In their statements. 06:43Speaker 3 But it really shows a little bit of a shift in how these concerts are coming to life and where people are choosing to spend their money. And it just seems like it's no longer viable to have these big stadium shows because these aren't like small acts. 06:56Speaker 2 These are like big headliners. They should be selling out these stadiums. Yeah, and it's interesting to see which of them acknowledge that as the reason that they're canceling and which don't, because I guess it is a bit of taking a piece of humble pie to be like, we're calling it off because we couldn't fill the seeds. 07:11Speaker 3 I've really making up some other reasons. And in China was like, I've got to look after my kid. I'm like, that's not a new thing. Yeah, you already had. 07:17Speaker 1 You the kid was there. You already had your kid. 07:19Speaker 2 And didn't post Malone say he needed to release more music. 07:22Speaker 1 He needs taking time. 07:23Speaker 3 See he's only shifted his by like three weeks. But I'm assuming that leg of the tour. I was just like, wasn't doing that well, so, I guess it's an interesting look at people's willingness when it comes to investing in these big shows and festivals and things like that, alongside these like surging ticket prices, like how many acts can you go to in one year? So your favorite artist is coming that year, are you going to be able to go to three shows? 07:48Speaker 1 Probably? Not, Like the cost of tickets is so expensive now. Yeah, And I don't know. 07:52Speaker 2 If you've sort of found this in your group chats and in your circles that it used to be someone's coming, when are we going? That was more the vibe, whereas I think now people are really realpliers. 08:02Speaker 1 It wants to go. 08:05Speaker 2 Yeah, but you just kind of now have to save that for when you know your top few favorite artists come, and you know, most people are only probably going to one or two a year totally. 08:16Speaker 3 And I guess in Australia we get so many less acts coming over because of the supply and demand and like the physical logistics to make it all the way over here, it just isn't viable to do those big stadium shows. So for us, when acts do come over, we're met with those really high costs. And again, yeah, for the group chat. No, not everybody can go. 08:36Speaker 1 You're just picturing. 08:37Speaker 2 When they're sitting around planning out their tour dates, they must be like do we do Australia? 08:40Speaker 1 Like it's just so far away? 08:42Speaker 2 And when you think about something like the Ears tour or those huge sets that they then have to transport everywhere, that's a huge cost for them. 08:49Speaker 3 So in Australia it really impacts how artists are touring locally. For a lot of those major international tours, you know, they are higher logistic costs involved, and you know when you come out of a concert you see those trucks outside they're packing up the stage. They're getting everything from production into those trucks and then going from Sydney to Melbourne and there's a huge cost involved. So they're often putting a lot of attention into the places that they're going to be able to quickly roll out when they're in Australia. So you can understand if you were going to add you know, an Adelaide and a Perth leg on top of Sydney and Melbourne, you would be driving, you'd be on the road for days. So it's not like in the States we can kind of pack up and like, do your shows. Australia has so much ground to cover, so it does make sense that, you know, they do focus their time on a Sydney or a Melbourne, but it's such a shame because so many other states and so many people are missing out. 09:42Speaker 2 I know, and the other states do really get up in arms about it, Like if you speak to someone from Perple, Britain during. 09:48Speaker 1 The ears to it, oh my god, because they have to factor in so much more to be able to come to something like that. Yeah, totally. 09:53Speaker 3 And there obviously are exceptions the rule of food fighters who have historically loved coming to Australia. You know, they've done one noto shows in Tasmania, they've done Geelong. 10:02Speaker 1 Before, but that is like not the noll. 10:04Speaker 2 I know. I was living in Melbourne when they did the Geelong tour and I still remember everyone being like, oh, I'm going to the few Fighters this weekend hour and a half drive there. 10:11Speaker 1 I was like what, Yeah, where are they doing it? And there are obviously acts. 10:15Speaker 3 That come over, like Bad Bunny came over and he did two Sydney shows and they were obviously massive sellout shows, but because he was only in Sydney. You've obviously got people flying in from all over the country just in order to be there and see him. So it's kind of the people at the top. You know, you have Taylor Swift, people are fighting for those tickets, like there are like hundreds of thousands of people waiting in a queue to buy those tickets when she announces a tour. But there's like that middle ground where your acts, like the Pussycat Dolls are just like not able to get it across the line anymore. 10:45Speaker 2 I know. It is interesting to think about because when we were initially chatting about them, we were both like, Oh, it's so exciting that they're coming here. And then you were like, would you actually get a ticket to go and see the pussy Cat Dolls, And. 10:55Speaker 1 I was like, I don't know. 10:56Speaker 2 I do like some of their old songs, but also the reunion isn't all of the area original members as well? 11:01Speaker 1 I believe it's three of the original band, and isn't there like twenty four of them? Yeah? True, they can't get them all. Yeah, it goes on tour. 11:08Speaker 3 I don't know if I would actually be putting money into seeing the Pussycat Dolls. 11:11Speaker 2 I know, it is sort of the girl math of you know, do I put it into this year's budget even though it's so far away. And I think the problem is these days, the cost of living is so high, so you're really focusing what you can spend on a few key performers that maybe you're really passionate about. And we sort of saw the knock on effect of someone like Adele coming to Australia a while ago, and how people are such big fans of hers that they spent so much money didn't they on going to their concerts. 11:36Speaker 1 Which left less for other smaller artists coming. Yeah. 11:38Speaker 3 So she last toured Australia in twenty seventeen, and she notoriously hates flying. So I think a lot of people knew like, if we're going to see Adele, this is going to be when we see her. She played in Perth, Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne. She sold over six hundred thousand tickets, so it doesn't really free up much like disposable income for other artists who may be touring in that time. Yeah, you've really either got to be in that a group category where your fans are so hardcore but also so widespread, like you have such wide appeal or it's really hard to make a dent at the moment. 12:08Speaker 2 And I think we see that in a lot of like Australian festivals as well, like we've lost so many we lost falls festivals, splendor in the Grass and like I think you and I were having a conversation earlier about like that's how we found so many artists. 12:19Speaker 1 Like smaller artists, and. 12:20Speaker 3 That's where you would first like get a taste of them before they get big enough. 12:24Speaker 1 To sell their own stadium shows. 12:25Speaker 2 Yes, I remember seeing Billie Eilish at twenty eighteen. 12:29Speaker 1 She's crazy, even the move which is really now. She headlined groove in Them. 12:33Speaker 2 I believe it was twenty nineteen, which doesn't even feel that long ago, and it is. I know, it really is a bad reality, but it's crazy to think now there are so few of those platforms that people can make that real headway in terms of gathering fans and getting momentum going that it is hard to imagine someone now going from a festival stage two sold out stadium tours, even though I'm sure it will happen on occasion. 12:55Speaker 3 That actually reminds me of when I saw Taylor Swift and she had Sabrina Carpter as her supporting artists. Now, at this time, I actually didn't know a whole lot about Saprina Carpenter and actually rained so much on the night we went, so we didn't see the opening act and I didn't actually think twice about it because I hadn't really known much about her. And then Taylor actually ended up bringing her out later and they did a song together. It was really cute, and then lo and behold six months later, she's one of the biggest names in the music industry. 13:22Speaker 1 That's one of the few. 13:22Speaker 2 Inns we have left, Like one of the biggest artists in a world has to give a formal introduction from world Yeah, to put you on the map. 13:29Speaker 1 It's hard to see the impact on the music industry. 13:31Speaker 3 And I am such a big advocate for like live music and gigs, like I'm still out here shelling. 13:36Speaker 1 Out my Dallas. So I just think it'd be really. 13:39Speaker 3 Great if you know, it's hard out here and maybe you don't have money for like those bigger ticket acts, but there are so many more smaller artists, you know in Australia who were touring and it's live music. 13:49Speaker 1 Let's get out there and go see them. 13:51Speaker 2 Guys, and you can save money pre at home and then you know, have a really good night out of it. It's so much expensive than going to the stadium two a half the time. Ok So earlier this week there were some exciting baby news from one of the biggest stars. Cameron Diaz Her and Benji Madden announced on Instagram that they've welcomed their third child, Nortus. 14:10Speaker 1 Madden thoughts on the name, I don't know about that one. 14:14Speaker 2 It feels a little ship themes like nautical, doesn't it it does they already have they should be in the Odyssey. 14:21Speaker 1 Maybe this is how they're out there. 14:22Speaker 2 So they already have a six year old daughter called Radix and a two year old son called Cardinal. 14:28Speaker 1 So oh, I think there's not even really a theme. No, I think the theme is out there. Maybe. Well they're nailing that. 14:36Speaker 2 So in their Instagram caption they said, well, actually, Benji post it and said Cameron and I are happy, excited and feeling so blessed. Blessed is in capitals to announce the birth of our third child, Naughtous Madden. Welcome to the world, son and Cameron is fifty three years old, and she's spoken before about sort of her long journey to motherhood and feeling super lucky to be able to become a mum later in life. So I think the blessed in capital letters just look a little bit of a nod to that. But it did make me go on a bit of a journey down memory lane because I don't know about you, but I didn't actually know a lot about Cameron and met you. 15:11Speaker 1 No, So I'm ready for this deep dive. I'm ready to learn. 15:13Speaker 2 Yeah, it turns out they had quite a cute little meet you, which I'm going to tell you all about. But before Cameron met Benji, she had a little bit of a type when it came to who she was dating. So she definitely loved her Hollywood bad boys and pop stars. 15:28Speaker 1 So fair So do you think can why not? I mean, we'd all love it if the option was presented to us. 15:34Speaker 2 So from nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety eight, she dated Matt Dillon. They were co stars together in There Something About Mary, and apparently they broke up. 15:43Speaker 1 Because of long distance. He was in New York, she. 15:45Speaker 2 Was in La Then a couple years later, she was with Jared Leto for about four years. There was a rumored engagement, and then that didn't work out, apparently because you know, both very busy careers, scheduling conflicts. 15:57Speaker 1 He's got to focus on thirty seconds commas. He's working on himself. He's working on himself. You know, we all we've all heard that light. 16:05Speaker 2 Then of course she was with Justin Timberlake as well in the early two thousands. That was really high profile and it ended amid cheating rumors from a Playboy bunny. 16:14Speaker 1 So oh, a bit of a scandal there. 16:16Speaker 2 There was a former Playboy model called Zoe Gregory and she was out there claiming her and Justin Timberlake had a fling while he was dating Cameron and that they quote unquote fooled around at the Playboy mansion. 16:26Speaker 1 Interesting, maybe it was the world tour. This is going to ruin the door. 16:31Speaker 2 So she had this real pattern of high profile actors and musicians and these quite intense public relationships that then didn't work out, which I think makes it all the sweeter when it does work out right in the end. So getting to her and Benji, they met in May twenty fourteen at Well I think inflicting reports of a dinner party or a house party. But it was a gathering of sorts that Cameron was hosting, and they met via Nicole Ritchie, who is Benji's sister in law. She's married to his twin, Joel Madden, and so they were invited to this party, and I guess he was invited by association. They actually hadn't met before, despite running in quite stiless me cute, I know, I love her, meet cute, And what Cameron has said about it is she said, well, firstly, speaking about whether or not Nicole Ritchie specifically set them up, she said, I met them first, them being Nicole and Joel, and they didn't set us up, but we were in the same room because of them, and then we found each other. But Nicole Ritchie is taking credit for setting them up, because she told Andy Cohen on Watch What Happens Live this was right after they met. I'm going to take responsibility for everything I approve of anything that's going to make Benji happy. 17:35Speaker 3 She's probably working behind the scenes to make it happen. Cameron didn't even know. 17:39Speaker 2 I know. And also, if I'm even in the room where a couple meets and then they hit it off. 17:43Speaker 1 I'm taking responsibility for this as you should. Yeah, if I made that invite happen. 17:47Speaker 2 So in terms of first impressions, Cameron said she recalled her first reaction to seeing Benji at the party as he's hot and I was surprised that they hadn't cross paths sooner, and basically very much like you know you're the one. 17:58Speaker 1 They obviously hit it off the beginning. We're all about each other. 18:02Speaker 2 They started dating in secret over that summer in twenty fourteen, and then they went public after these yacht vacation photos were leaked, and that's how everyone found out about it. I mean that that's how you want people to find out, right, Yeah on a yacht, Like imagine all your other exes. You're like, well, I'm on a yacht now with this guy. 18:17Speaker 1 So yeah. 18:17Speaker 2 Snucky and one of Benji's friends sort of spoke to the press and was like, Benji always falls in love easily, but this time it's for real. They make each other incredibly happy. 18:27Speaker 1 Which I thought. 18:28Speaker 2 I think if I was getting my friend to the press, I don't know, if he signed off with this, I'd be like, could you drop the always falls in love easily. 18:34Speaker 1 Bit I'd feel like, why did you add that? Who says that? Who is the source? Like this one's real. They're like, we're not friends anymore. 18:39Speaker 2 Yeah. So later that year, Benji spoke to people about it and he confirmed the relationship and he talked about how much being with Cameron was impacting his music and he was feeling so driven and they had this whole whirlwind romance throughout that year, and then after just seven months they got engaged. 18:53Speaker 1 My god, that's fuss well they say, like when you're older. Yeah, that's so fair. I love that for them. 18:59Speaker 2 You and then planned the wedding insanely fast. So they got engaged December twenty fourteen and then had the wedding January twenty fifteen. 19:07Speaker 1 Oh my god, that's a quick turnaround for a wedding. I know, I don't know how they pulled it together. 19:10Speaker 2 I mean they did throw it at they had some help, probably probably, yeah, probably. 19:14Speaker 1 A forty plant. Yeah. 19:16Speaker 2 So they had a very intimate wedding, was a backyard wedding at their house in Beverly Hills. I mean, I imagine it's not a little shack. It's probably yeah, I don't think Sotly probably got some space and Drew Barrymore was there in Gwyneth Paltrow and they got married in this giant backyard tent with all these beautiful flowers and candles, and then all sounded amazing. 19:34Speaker 1 But I think what's really lovely about them. 19:36Speaker 2 Is obviously they've been married now for about eleven years, but they've said really cute things about each other along the way. I don't know if you've ever seen any of the quotes where they talk about each other. 19:45Speaker 1 What do they say? So I hope they're saying nice things about each other. They're just airing what they find out. 19:51Speaker 2 So in twenty seventeen, so this is like a few years after Cameron gave this interview where she sort of explained why she waited until she was forty two. 19:58Speaker 1 To get married, and I thought, what a big she said? That was cute? 20:00Speaker 2 Was I think it's a matter of I just hadn't met my husband. I had boyfriends before, and there's a really really distinct difference between husbands and boyfriends. What do you think about, Teach, she's real for that. She gives me hope because I'm probably gonna be single time like forty, you're like, I'm currently seeing the boyfriends. I need to see the husband. Bring me the husband. And then She is also gushed about him on a few podcasts, even recently, like you Know twenty twenty one onwards, saying when I saw him from the get go, I knew he was special. 20:26Speaker 1 I was like, you're the guy, You're the hidden gem in my life. 20:28Speaker 2 Oh. 20:29Speaker 3 I love like share this insight into it because you just remember, like they're real people and there's like this real love between them. 20:35Speaker 2 I know. And as much as we all talk about, oh, it's so nice when you just meet someone and it's a slow burn, I think it's really cute when they. 20:41Speaker 1 Actually are saying it's love at first sight. 20:43Speaker 3 I know. And I feel like we hear so much about like the breakups and like the scandal, so it is nice to like hear like the success stories. 20:49Speaker 1 Worked out as aspirational. 20:51Speaker 2 She's also talked a lot about how Benji was the first person to really teach her to value herself and before that she just felt like she was always seeking validation in her partners. That she said, Oh my god, imagine being Cameron Diaz and you're seeking validation. 21:03Speaker 1 Oh, my god. 21:04Speaker 2 This is exactly how I felt when we covered on the podcast how Meryl Streep talked about, you know, feeling it'scure with roles and things like that, and hearing Cameron Diaz saying like, you know, not valuing herself. 21:13Speaker 3 You're like, so everyone's the second. Oh my god, I know, I cannot imagine that. I'm like, surely you're like the most confident person in the world. 21:19Speaker 1 I know you would think. I mean, you're a Charlie's Angel. I think some other cute fun things about them. Is they actually got I don't know. 21:25Speaker 2 Actually, I don't know if this is cutter if I disapprove of this, but I guess in their situation, it's cute. They got matching tattoos on their wedding day. Oh I don't mind that. 21:32Speaker 1 You don't mind that. 21:33Speaker 2 I mean, you're already starting a legally binding contract. 21:36Speaker 1 Is it a fun tattoo? 21:37Speaker 2 Cameron got Benji's name and Hebrew on her finger, and he got the same. I don't know if name I would like like maybe like something fun. I'd like something I could repurpose if it didn't work out, Like, oh, I got this turtle, not because it's our favorite animal. But I don't know if like turtle wedding day works, but like maybe we can workshop that with your wedding. 21:53Speaker 1 Just get apart. That can apply no matter what happens. 21:56Speaker 2 I think it's also cute how they're both talking about how they ran in the same celebrities circles for years, but they never crossed paths until Nicole Richie brought Benji to that event. 22:05Speaker 1 So I'm surprised by that. I know Cameron was too. 22:08Speaker 2 She said, how come I never saw this guy before. 22:10Speaker 1 It's kind of one of those things. 22:11Speaker 2 Where it feels like the universe waits till you're ready. Because if she met him when she was with Justin Timberlay, exactly why would we be Maybe she was manifested, is exactly ready. They're both really private as well, so they don't put out any photos of their kids. They've actually sued paparazzi before over releasing pics of Radix. I keep wanting to say Radish, but it's Radis, he says. 22:34Speaker 1 Child. 22:35Speaker 2 And after they sort of got together and settled down and had a family, Cameron went on quite a career pause. So in twenty eighteen, she quit acting to focus on the family. 22:44Speaker 1 She was quite open about it. 22:46Speaker 2 She said she was retiring, taking a step back, focusing on her marriage and kids, and she actually launched a wine brand. 22:51Speaker 1 In that time. 22:51Speaker 2 In twenty twenty, she released Avaline, her wine brand. Apparently he was very supportive in that process. And then now, obviously she has had a bit of a return to acting because in the life last couple of years she was in the Netflix film Back to Action with Jamie Fox that came out last year, and now she's filming a romantic comedy directed by Stephen Merchant, which we don't know. 23:08Speaker 1 The title of You I Love. That should be great, I know, So she's getting back into the swing of things. 23:13Speaker 2 But I think for that period had, you know, a lot of focus on family because they had their first kid twenty nineteen, and then they've now got a two year old and now the new baby. So yeah, that is a little bit of a you know, walk down memory lane history lesson on. I think one of Hollywood's cutest couples, but weirdly under the radar, like I knew nothing about their whole love story. 23:29Speaker 1 Maybe I was just living under a rock. So cute. I hope that kind of love finds me. 23:34Speaker 3 Thanks so much for listening to the Spill today, and if you want to watch as well as listen, you can now watch us on Apple Podcasts. Just make sure that your iPhone is up to date and switch over to video to see our beautiful faces, or head on over to the YouTube channel to catch more of our video content, including celeb interviews. 23:51Speaker 1 The Spill is produced. 23:52Speaker 2 By Minishi Izworn with video production by Michael Keane. 23:55Speaker 1 We'll see you next time. Bye bye, Lana.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni have settled their lawsuit and the details are genuinely surprising. Plus, the Pussycat Dolls have cancelled their tour and apparently "Blue Dot Fever" is now a thing, and Kylie Jenner made a beauty decision at the Met Gala that she is already regretting. ☕ Kylie Jenner's eyebrows may never recover from the MET Gala ☕ Rebel Wilson welcomes her second daughter  ☕ Blake Lively settles with Baldoni two weeks before trial  ☕ The Pussycat Dolls cancel their entire US tour ☕ Maren Morris received a very suspicious text inviting her to Taylor Swift's wedding THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel.Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                   You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast.00:17Speaker 2 Good morning, angels. I hope you woke up looking better than Kylie Jenno with one bleached eyebrow, because that is today's opening story, and I promise it gets better from Thereage London, and we have a jam packed one today. We've got the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni Stargut reaching a stunning conclusion. Rebel Wilson has welcomed her second daughter, the Pussycat Dolls who canceled their tour, and the phrase blue dot fever is about to become part of your vocabulary. And there's a very funny update on the Taylor Swift wedding situation. So let's pour the tea. First up, for the met gala, Kylie bleached her eyebrows to go with the custom Chaparrelli gown a new course with phone nipples and a heavily embellished pearl covered train that took eleven thousand hours of embroidery. The look was stunning. Eyebrows, however, did not survive the return journey. Kylie filmed herself on Instagram stories with one bleached ibra and one that had been died back, but kind of came out an orange brown, absolutely losing it with laughter. I'm okay, look cool, brows are royal?01:20Speaker 1 What is this?01:20Speaker 2 What is this? This looks horrible?01:26Speaker 1 You left her with no hair?01:28Speaker 2 Horrible. I still can't get over the eleven thousand hours of embroidery for one night. Fashion is truly unhinged people. Next time, Rebel Wilson and her wife Ramona have welcomed their second daughter, and she's named Rose Estelle. Rebel posted proud to announce the birth of our second daughter, Rose Astelle. What a gorgeous blessing to have another little girl now on May fourth, It's now four of us. Cute Ramona and I are feeling so incredibly grateful and blessed to go our family. The next day, Rebel share the sweet photo of big sister Royce holding baby Rose for the first time, captioning it Little Angels, The Stick Around, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni have reached a settlement and the details are genuinely surprising. The Poissycat Dolls have counseled their tour, and the music industry has a new illness called blue Dot fever. Plus Aaron Morris received a very suspicious wedding invite. Welcome back to your morning tea. After more than a year of Hollywood's most public legal battle, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni have settled two weeks before the trial was set to begin. Both sides released a joint statement saying the film is a source of pride to all of us and acknowledges that concerns raised by miss Lively deserved to be heard. The terms were not disclosed, but Tamz's reported that Blake received no money in the settlement. Last month, a judged throughout ten of Lively's thirteen claims, including all sexual harassment claims, leaving only breach of contract and retaliation. Legal experts say both sides face significant risk going to trial. No apology from Baldoni, no money for Blake, no trial, just to roumid sixty million dollars in legal fees. Yausers, There's a fascinating phenomenon gripping the live music industry right now called Blue Dot Fever, and it's affecting some of the biggest artists in the world, including Megan Trainer, Post Malone, and now the Pussycat Dolls. On the Ticketmaster w app unsold tickets show up as blue dots on a seating chart. Blue dot fever is when an artist anounces a tour, the blue dots never really go away and they eventually cancel and it's spreading. The newly from Pussycat Dolls had to cancel their entire US run, living only the European dates untouched. The way I see it, the class of living crisis is real. Concert ticket prices are extraordinary. People are making hard choices. The era of guaranteed demand for nostalgia tours is clearly over, and finally, country star Marion Morris has revealed that she received what appeared to be a fake text message inviting her to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's wedding. It all went down like this, I'm serious in the States, I gotta ask, do you have any tea on the wedding? No, I mean person to ask. Come on.04:03Speaker 1 I got this like spam text a couple of weeks ago and it was like You're invited to Taylor and Travis's wedding. And I was like this, I'm blocking this because like there's no way they would send an invitation through, Like it's a text like this I mean why not. I was like, how how is this going to my number? The actual?04:22Speaker 2 Yeah? What if I just crashed it? Yeah, jim your phone, I'll tell you how to get it back. Just get it back to watch out World of spam text.04:30Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. Yeah, but I was like, how do they have my number? This is weird meeting, it's real?04:35Speaker 2 You know what that got sent to us?04:36Speaker 1 I would have clicked the link.04:38Speaker 2 I would end up.04:39Speaker 1 Yeah, the virus, Yeah, I got the viruses.04:41Speaker 2 Yeah, Marin. If it turns out that text was true and real and you deleted it, I'm so sorry. And also that would be hilarious. And that, my darlings. Is it for today's episode of Morning Tea. I have been your host and producer Ice London. Executive producer is Mini shit Is Warren. The girls will be in your feeds from three pm today with your daily deep dive and in the meantime. You know how to find us on Instagram, TikTok, check us a follow and stay up to date. Okay to tomorrow. Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. 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We’re diving into the 2026 Met Gala red carpet, where the fashion was only half the story. From surprise arrivals to late entrances that completely shifted the night’s energy, this year’s event delivered more chaos than ever. We break down the biggest fashion moments, including Beyoncé’s long-awaited return, Rihanna’s headline-making late arrival, and Blake Lively’s unexpected red carpet comeback just hours after major legal news broke. Plus, the standout looks, the most debated outfits, and the celebrity “power moves” that turned the Met Gala into one of the most talked-about nights of the year. Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. 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Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brednick, and I'm Free Player, executive producer of Mamma MIA's interview podcast No Filter, and former fashion magazine editor. Yes, you're always my partner in crime for these red carpet episodes in dcause we both have hot takes. They're usually very different we do. We often have very like opposing ideas. Yes, what was best, what was worse? And we've been avoiding each other in the office all day. Yeah, we had to yell at each other get away from me because we didn't want to. We didn't want to have a donation. Don't even look at it. You can look at me. We didn't want to have the conversation away from the mic. So if you are listening to this, it means you probably listen to our Met Gala little teaser that dropped in the feed earlier today, because we're dropping this episode a little bit later. Because with the Met car there's so many dresses and there's so many interviews, and then celebrities release their own like look books and updates afterwards. So we needed to bring the people boots on the ground. Journalism with all the looks. So that's why we're coming to you today with our special slightly later episode. Now before we jump into the best, worst, most disastrous, most surprising, most sentimental looks of the day, it's a broad, broad range of looks we're getting into. If you want to see the looks, if you want to actually have the photos in front of you, you can go and listen to us on Apple Podcasts where we're on videos, so you can watch us delightful, watch my face get veteran, veteran rhetoric as I get more excited and overwhelmed. Or you can go and look at all the photos in a gallery on Instagram. So just search the Spill podcast on Instagram. The gallery will be clearly labeled in order of how we're speaking about the looks, so you can follow along and see them all there. Okay, without further ad you, well, our first look is kind of a shared one because we want to just start things off with a bang, and that is Miss Beyonce, who came to the Met Gala for the first time. It was it ten years in over a decade. It's just like so exciting to see her back on the Met Gala. Red carpet, which of course is not red. Let's let's start off by saying, give there a carpet. I love the carpet non red. Okay, this might be the only thing. This might be the thing weiss best dressed to the night is the carpet. I loved it. I did a little moss between Yeah. Yeah, they looked like it was like fake but beautifully done. Yeah, very artistic. Really, and let's bring this to the forefront as well. The theme for this U's met Gala is about fashion being art Yes, so costume costume. So what we get to see is not only like the setting, which is why it's not just your standard red carpet being very artistic and very creative. Is the clothes then on it? And I thought, yeah, the way that it looked this time, it was kind of like it's like a beigey sort of cobblestony, Yes, cobblestony, with like the moss between it. And they had all the beautiful kind of draping again coming down the ceiling. It was creamy it was, and greens and purple it was. It was beautiful, which I thought was such a beautiful backdrop to put all the clothes on as well. Yeah, because sometimes the stairs look lovely, but once you get a dress on them, they cancel each other out. Yeah, like remember the pink here the camp Yeah nine much like it was gorgeous, but then some outfits just didn't work. Yeah, no, no, And that's why celebs are releasing their own They're having their own photo shoots first and releasing them because they're like, I can't trust the lighting and any red carpet, but especially the met gala. Can't trust the lighting, can't trust the background. So okay, and that's the thing. As everyone took their photo, that was the bit where the steps before they became green, they were in that beautiful cream color, which is not a nice backdrop for all the dresses. So we had Beyonce rock up has it been there in ten years? And she was wearing a diamond encrusted dress that looked like a skeleton, so it had like the rib cage and like the pelvis and her hands were skeleton kind of a vibe. And I guess that's to show like the body in its like most like basic form a skeleton, a skeleton. And that's what part of the theme was, was showing the body as well, and the body being kind of the basis for art, so as you say, skeleton is the body stripped back to its most basic form. But I mean, of course, because it's Beyonce. It's jewel encrusted and it's incredible. And then she wore this long feathered cake. Yeah, incredible, that dreaped and then the head piece as well. I mean it's Beyonce, She's always going to bring the dru Yeah. Some people are like, oh, she could have lost the head piece and it's like, no, no, the head piece and it was Olivia Rousting, wasn't it. He used to be from Balmain, who's like she's worked with him before. Yes, she's won a lot of Almaine over the years, so yeah, it wasn't surprising that that's who dressed it. I felt, yes, but I think she looked glorious and I loved that she showed up with her gorgeous, gorgeous best accessory, her daughter. Yes, it was a night for daughters. Yes, Nicole kim And was toting one of her daughters down the red carpet and then Beyonce did it. But Blue Ivy, her oldest daughter who's fourteen now, and I think she actually looked like appropriately dressed for fourteen year olds. I do too. There was a lot anund the office. It's about you know, her being on the on the carpet anyway, and at this event, and you know, these experiences that these really young girls are getting to have. But I thought she I agree, I thought she looked age appropriate and so so gorgeousful so much like her mother. Yeah, that was such a moment because the Beyonce floated up and everyone gass and then Blue Ivy floated behind her, and then they had their moment, and they had their moment together, and then jay Z ran up and and then he was in there and but then they obviously I actually feel like as a family they practiced in the mirror at home because when they got into their first formation for their first photo, they just all I did. Yeah, they just instantly got into the right places and held a pose. And I was like, well, you guys have been practicing that the family living room. Yeah, and I appreciate that level of And Beyonce is a co chair this year. What's interesting is the timing of Beyonces arrived. Yes, if you'll notice all the other co chairs arrived at the top of the top of the day, which is kind of usually, which is how it goes, because they meant to greet people as they come in. Yes, that's part of it. They meant to greet people as they come in. Beyonce has ascended above that level where she is not a greeter. No, they had She's up stairs and being like, hik so much for coming to our party, thanks for coming for a little shin dig Like, no, Beyonce is not doing that. Her arrival was such a moment. It really was. Okay, who else did you go? Because we get week spend an hour on everyone fifty looks to get through. Okay, I'm going to start strut with my favorite of the whole night, and you won't be surprised by this, I don't think. Okay. My favorite was Oh, Sabrina Carpenter. Yes, Sabrina was in Dior. She's been wearing a lot of Dior lately. Jonathan Anderson, who was at Louerva, is now in the House of Dior and doing the most incredible job. Because there has been like quite a shuffle in the last couple of years in the design houses, where like there were designers in certain houses that felt a little bit mislike. Now, I'm not saying he was amazing at Louerva. He did a great job there, but I do feel like what he is doing at Dior is what should be happening at Dior. So I was very excited for this year's met Gala because I feel like after years of kind of the wrong creative directors being in the houses that I felt maybe were they weren't aligned to, or that there were people in those roles that maybe weren't doing the best job interesting for those houses, the dust is settled, and I feel like this is the first time in a few years where the right designers are in the right house the levels. It's like the right house Game of Thrones. It has been a bit of a fashion game of Thrones in the last couple of years. So anyway, I was excited to see I thought Sabrina would wear deal because she's been wearing so much of it lately and she is somewhat like aligned with the house as well. But I was very excited to see what she's wearing now. The gown she's wearing is made of film strips, and the film is of course Sabrina, but the Audrey Hetburn Sabrina. Yes, here's an upsetting fact about me is that Sabrina is one of my favorite movies. But you like the well do you know what? You know what? Okay, but that is usually trees in. It's because obviously, if anyone hasn't seen the Audrey Hepburn movie Sabrina, watch it. It's incredible. But I personally prefer the Julia ormand Harrison Ford Sabrina, which I know is film blasting, you know what, it might be film blasphemy, but I think there's a place for both of them. But it's a place they're both exquisite felt exactly. But I just when I saw the detailing that it was film stills from Sabrina, I nearly lost my mind. That's the most beautiful touch. It's so beautiful. And I love that Sabrina went as Sabrina, but as Sabrina but in this like majorly artistic iteration. Also, and because I am such a swifty fan girl, I'm gonna just say that she's gone a bit show girl this year. And of course she features on Little Maybe with the head Piece a little not to her mentor, but also she features on Life of a show the track title from the album. So look, I'm not saying, oh, you think it's like, well, look, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. It was like a nice little thing. But you're saying it's like shot fired. No no, no, God, no, no, no, we start no Brina and Taylor fe on. I'm not saying that Sabrina's outfit is for like an Easter egg, that this is coming with Taylor's sweet I'm not saying that. But I'm not not saying that the video clips. I'm just you know, last year, Sabrina on the met Gala carpet looked very pop star. This year she looks very showgirl. That's all I'm saying. That's all you're saying. That's all I'm saying. And you can, guys can read into that what you will, what you will. All Right. My next one, it's not a favorite, but it's just one we must discuss. Well, it's kind of a favorite because I appreciate how much this woman takes this seriously, puts her life in the lives of other people on the line, and how much she sticks to the theme. And that is Miss Kimberly Noel Kardashian did you not like it? No? Okay, well let me tell you a backstory maybe then you will. So she worked with British pop artist Alan Jones and Patrick Whittaker on this piece. So it's a golden breastplate for anyone who needs is listening to this just as a podcast, no judgment. It's a golden breastplate. But it has like the high silhouette neck and the cone bra, so we've got a real pointing nipple happening, very sculpted abs and a belly button. And it was craft did from a model in the sixties, which I thought was interesting because she said at first they were thinking like, would they do a mold of her body, which out of everyone, she kind of could have gotten away with because her body is like her cooling cart, and that's why she once walked the red carpet with her face covered because you can just see her body, you know it's her. But they decided to get the body model of a sixties model, and then it was this is the only disappointing thing is that the original look was going to be a full on sculptured suit all the way down, and so they've taken like the legs and the bottom half off and have done that detachable skirt, which is fine, but I feel like it does kind of take away from I would have loved to see her walk down in a fully sculptured suit, like a very old school robotic kind of like end of the World's sci fi vibes. So that's my problem with Oh, that's your problem. That is actually that is actually my problem with it. I think from the waist up absolutely incredible, Yes, And I just wish that it had committed the whole way. It's like she got no I mean I think no, I she didn't get nervous Kim Cush, she doesn't get nervous about I actually wanted her to make more. I think she's one of the few people who because she is always dressed so high fashion, she is not afraid to not be like the prettiest on the night, but be the most headline making And I usually like that about it exactly, and particularly with the met Gala, She's not. There are years where she does not prioritize pretty or sexy. She prioritizes creating a moment. Yeah. I wouldn't even necessarily say she prioritizes the fashion. Yeah, because I feel like it's more moment led with her exactly. Actually it's a headline interest in fashion, and we like that. But that's what she does, and she does it so well. I don't think she did it this year. Yeah, I appreciate the thought behind it. If you go to her Instagram, she's done a huge behind the scenes, like almost her own magazine photo editorial spread to explain the look. And when you see all that and you read it, it makes more sense. But I do wish maybe she'd just gone with the full look, but also the top part, the bones and the bra and everything was finished in autobody shop. So some men who work on cars hameadat and I love that. And I hope they know it's at the met Gala. They would have loved that. Okay, who's your next person? I am going to talk about Tana Taylor? Oh my god? Yes, I had her on my list, Yes, of course. Okay, so there we go. I feel like we're actually aligned on quite a few. Yeah. Yeah, spen too early to tell you now. I love it. It's like crazy. My first thought was she looked like she was like high fashion escapee from Whoville. Yeah, but it's incredible. It's like for anyone listening, of course, it's like silver fringing that is from the hood right down to a train and like it's long sleeve. She was really feeling it. She was swishing, swishing, swishing, and she was taking the shots. I'm glad you brought that up because obviously we had the met gala up in the office here and there's about fifty people gathered around it watching every second. And when she was swishing her head around, Everyone's like, oh, no, she can't see she's getting annoyed by it. And I was like, no, no, guys, she's showing the move No, she's showing the movement. And she's doing a photos wanting to get photos that show it from like every angle. And when something is artistic in the way that it moves, you've got to really show it on the carpet, which she did. So this was tom Ford incredible. I just felt like it was such a moment. It was also I felt a bit of a fresh air after a lot of different other looks at after her big Red Carpet run when she was OSCAR nominated. Yeah, same material on her oscars. I mean, to the naked eye, the same sort of material on the train of her Oscars dress. But it's almost like her Oscars dress has morphed into this like beast and is now running free. That's why I thought when I saw it. Okay, moving on to someone who a lot of people are slamming her and putting her on worst dress. Look, because I'm not so much defending her. I just want to explain. And it's Margot Robbie in Chanel. Did you hate this? No? I don't hate it, Okayel, No, I would never know. No, I would never speak about my close personal fo Margo Robbie that way. I know you guys are pals. We are pals. I mean, for anyone listening, We're not actually pals. I've just hung out with her like two or three times. She would not remember me, but I refer to her as my close personal sofa, so I you know she. I mean, look, Margo can't not look stunning. She's so beautiful. The dress is very pretty. I feel like that would have been very pretty on any other red car, But I'm just not excited by it today. Hear the thing about her? I think also, I love every like everyone just like I mean, I know you've get it more thought than that. But everyone I'm seeing on in like Instagram and TikTok scrolling past this dress and going oh ugly and moving on. I was like, this took the Chanelle team seven hundred and sixty one hours to make, and everyone's just like, yuck, we hate it. But it's almost like a champagne gold strapless gown with this beautiful detail at the back. She also hasn't been to the Met Gala since twenty twenty three, so she doesn't go every year. But what I loved about this is that everyone's always expecting Margo Robbie to go really over the top of the Met Gala. But first and foremost, she is a businesswoman. I would say she's a businesswoman. She's a movie star girl right down the end, and she turns on the fashion in a huge way for her red carpets because one, she's the star of the show, but also she's marketing the movie. I mean, no one does red carpet promotion better than exactly no one does it better than her. And when she's at the Met Gala, she's not there to promote anything. She's not even promoting herself because she doesn't need to. She turns it on for a red carpet movie premiere because that's from usually from her production company, so that money is coming back to her in a good way. Like that's what she's there for. When she's at the met Gala, she's often just there to look pretty or and like comfortable as well, like she never wears. You never hear of Margot Robbie starving herself for six days wearing a corset lined with spikes, like you know, to help her up the stairs. No one ever helps her up the stairs. No one's looking at that saying, oh my gosh, how did she go to the bathroom there? Yeah, she's put loosing fancy, she said time. She's often, I think getting paid by the house, getting paid by the brand to be an ambassador, so she's still making money while she's there. But so many times I've seen these women, like on the red carpet the Met Gala, like feathers trains crazy, which we love, but like not being able to move, not being able to go to the bathroom for ten hours, having to be carried up the stairs, and in the background of the met Gala, you just always see Margot Robbie bound up the stairs looking happy. You know she's going straight to get a champagne because she can, because she's not there to make a spectacle of herself, because she does that for her movies. And I actually think that's a lovely way to be. And if I actually had a choice, I think I would. I would roll like that the way you don't want to go relaxed Australian. Yeah, it's like, you know, the nights that are about me, It's about me, the met Gala, it's about me. So you feel like off the back of the very like stylized Wuthering Heights rum. She just wanted to do something that was just be She was like, Chanell, you tell me what you want me to wear and pay me that feet and I will put that dress on and as long as I can move and it's all approved by Anna and whoever, I don't care, it's not my I think. Her vibe was like, it's none of my it's none of my business what I wear. And I love that for her. Okay, who else do you have? You know? What is it? Time? Can I talk? Oh my god? Can I tell you about the boys? Yeah? Yeah, please please talk about it, please hear it for the book. Okay, I am going to go you know what, I'm gonna surprise you and go straight for somber. Oh okay, okay in Valentino, like I does like that person, this detail, It is stunning. I would love to wear that. It is just so glorious. It's because Share was there, but he looks more share, more share than Share. Oh my god, I wish Share had worn this. Well, they could have done a double act. I would have actually been so here for that. So it's like pants on the waist with full beating around the waistband, longline beating down the full length of the pants. Then we've got like a silk and laced blouse that's high neck, and then the most incredible cape that just brings it all together with just the crystals just flowing down it. This is Valentino my favorite because I love Alessandro Magula formerly of Gucci. Now he is responsible for my favorite meal look of all time, which was in eighteen was The Heavenly Bodies the Catholic Church. Oh yes, yes, okay, so a beautiful confusing time for the beautiful confusing time for everyone. But the best met Gala oh, absolute, literally ever and my favorite was Lama del Rey, Jared Leto and Alessandra mccallay, Yes, showing up together in that like ensemble. I mean, it was just incredible. I don't think anyone has ever reached that since I don't think anyone will, but so I always look forward to what you know, and Alessandro is going to bring to the Red Carpet with ary designs and I was really excited to see that this year on Somber. I thought it looked exquisite. Okay, we love the boys, we love the boys they put Efor in. All Right, while we're talking about boys, let's talk about our hated rivalry. Gorgeous boys, Connor Story and Hudson Williams, because both of them rocked up to the Red Carpet this year. Now, I love that they're there, the meteoric rise of these guys and the show is just being so incredible that they're everywhere. They were all over Award season, they are now on the met Gala carpet. But were you disappointed they didn't actually walk down together? I mean, would you think it would have been too much? No? I mean they're not they're not promoing their show right now, they could have just done the girls and the people saying, you know what, they will, We'll get something out of the day. There'll be something, so you know, they they know where their breast. But that's what I just saw, everyone just like hunting through the images and through the videos desperate to find like a moment that they were together, or they'll get one and it might be it might be at the after party, but we'll get one, don't you worry. So Hudson was in Balenciaga and it was like super super super detailed. Have you had a good look at it? Let me let me. I'm gonna be so honest that I was just looking at their faces. Yeah, show me the outfit. You're like, whatever, what are they? Those men to high had Okay, and that's totally that's totally fine, and I had I had a good crack at that too. But Hudson's eye maker was much talked about in the office. It was kind of a big Euphoria esque with the with the eye makeup, but it looks Euphoria Season one back when the I makeup was fantastic. So in like a powder blue suit and there's like black detailing beaded and then this kind of cap skirt s He's got a train, a train. He's got a train. He took a leaf out of Beyonce's book and he's like, I'm having a train. He's like, I'm having a train. I want my moment on the steps. And then Connor in Saint Laurent, this incredible blouse showing off those guns. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Are insane, and he's got almost me. I feel like I had that top when I was like fifteen. It's like a Poka dot hole today, but my arms didn't look like that. These arms look like they're the Hulk. And it's got it's got a lot. He's got a train as well. So I'm just gonna show see a Poka dot comes all the way down. Now. He actually came with a blazer on over the top, and he knows what we want. He did half reveal. He did a red carpet reveal of the arms. I mean, I guess the blouse, but like whatever of the arms. Now he's wearing Saint Laurent. A lot of people are in Saint Laurent on the red carpet because Anthony Vacarello is one of the coachairs who is the designer for Saint Laurent. So we saw like Zoe Kravitz, Charlie XCX, like there's a lot on the carpet who were rocking in that designer. We love Okay, okay, rapid fire through a few more because guys, there's so many good looks. I just want to give a shout out to Doughci who wore custom Mark Jacobs and she looked gorgeous in the eggplant color, this like headpiece, kind of like rising up to the sky. But my favorite detail about her is that she didn't want to my heels, so she got her feet painted in a beautiful Hannah design, wore anklets, and then tiptoed barefoot down the entire carpet, and then tiptoed up the red carpet. See, and that is move And that is a level of calf strength that I cannot imagine is hard. Tiptoeing is hard, tipto the whole way. If there was a flat footed moment from that girl, I did not see it. Surely she's flat footed inside or maybe she's wearing a shoe inside. What are the rules around being barefoot? And I just findin Anna winter going, Oh you've got a shoe ear right? Well, you know what at Chanelle Cruz's show last week, the girls were walking down the carpet barefoot. Fine, it's it's it's like on trend to be bare foot. Yeah, and then you've got like men like Quentin Tarantino who just like, let me put that in my movies. He's taking screenshop. Okay. Kendall Jenner in Gap Studio by Zach Posen. This is an interesting one. Can She and Kylie Jenna looked a little matching. They both had almost that kind of like nude look at the top, but Kendall's is modeled off a Gap T shirt and then she's got like a little fake nipple poking out and then just kind of cream beige draping of the dress. So Kendall and Kylie also especially Kendall, liked to make a headline with their outfits. Do you think this was as a headline inducing you're like, num, No, I don't actually think none of them are getting a headline this year. No, that it wasn't. Actually reason why I believe that they're invited is because they do get those headlines, and I think they were all really underwhelming this year. I mean, she's like, she looks pretty, she is pretty, She's a very gorgeous girl. But I'm just not excited by that is Yeah. I think the Genas and Kardashians, they just have the most enormous cultural currency, so I feel like that's why they'll always be invited. But I almost maybe liked Kylie's play on a little bit better. I know they're completely different designs, but she had the kind of almost like a nude top and then it was like the body undress of the skirt forward. Yeah, I preferred Kylie's as well. I thought she was more of a moment and worked with the theme yes better. What I did think was interesting about Kylie was that her boyfriend did not attend No you know where he was, Yes, And that's so fair, you know why, because Timothy Shallon May doesn't go to anything where he's not the star. That's his thing. The like the Kardashians and the Genders very much like they the significance of the moment, their red carpet looks, and I know they all work so intently with their designers and like they really care about the fashion side of it. Timothy Charalamayne cares about being seen as a movie star, which is so fair enough, but he doesn't really go to events, especially where he is now, like he has previously when he was trying to build up his capital and build up his absolutely in for me. But at the moment he's in now, he's going to go to a next game anything, and he's not a nominating else missing. Who so Kravitz's boyfriend slash fiance. Yeah, but Harry Style again everyone that they're going to walk together. No, I never thought they were, as you know, long time Harry Styles fan. I didn't expect to see him there either, And I think if he was going, we would have heard about it in advance, it would have been named, you know. But he's also about to start his world tour, so he's busy, and he famously gets tired. That's why he's making everyone the tour come to him. Right. Oh, yeah, he's not city hobby. No, he's not city hop he's too tired to go to Metguala. Yeah for a week. Yeah, he's reserving his energy. Okay, I need to quickly talk about a boy before we get into my favorite boy of the night, Bad buddy, is that I'm sorry, Is that not the weirdly hottest thing you've ever seen? Hey? Yeah, but I don't know whether I'm just like going through a real old man moment at the moment because I've been like really into the guys. So I'm really you haven't watched well, you haven't watched the Pit. No, because I'm I can't do enough. I can only watch grays Anatomy, just the lift, kissing scene something else. There's hardly any medical, like compared to the Pit, there's hardly any medical and graz Now No, that's why I like it. I can understand why you're avoiding it. But yeah, look, because I'm having such an old man moment at the moment, Like, yeah, I was excited to see a bit of great on the car so bad Bunny is wearing Zara and just you can just imagine her like running on them proves all the looks, you know what. I think what will be really interesting is Zara probably advertising in Vogue at the moment, to be honest, so she had to let she had to let someone wear it. Yeah, exactly. And obviously Zara was a big part of his Super Bowl halftime show, but Bad Bunny has aged himself here because I guess one of the part of the exhibition theme is different bodies, so like bodies are different size as shapes and ages. But he's the only one that I saw who really took the aging thing and ran with it. He's wearing prosthetics to make him look maybe seventy or eighty. It's really interesting because like everyone in Hollywood tries to look so much younger than they are. Everyone is on this like strive to look as young as possible, and like, no judgment because I'm I'm the same, but but I love that he went the opposite. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is men can do that because men tend to be like, oh, a silver fox when they get older, like he's he's sixty, Like let him dated twenty five year old and win an oscar because he's just getting started at sixty. But the thing he's in his next act exactly, he's just more, you know, kind of well weather worn. Now, whereas women it's like you're thirty, get out of here. So there's that side of it. But I've decided just to let the feminism leave my body for this because Bad Bunny looks so hot, and also he does you can did it? Yeah? I mean that's not terrible. Yeah, some people don't age well, yeah, I know the weakd I would have thought that he would have looked to the mirror and actually, wait, this isn't working there. I don't look back. But he looks hot and also bad bunny hot? Is it? Maybe you can because you can feel his rippling muscles and sexuality try trying to break free of the old man. And I appreciate a funny guy. And he was in character all the way up the stairs and he was walking with the walking cane and he was interviewed in character. I love it. I think it's no I agree, And I think it's really hard for a man to have a moment on me because it's hard for them, because it's not for them. And how do you compete when Beyonce rocks up with the train, Yeah, like still jammed in the car door while she's halfway up the stairs exactly, But he did it. He has something that everyone's talking about. Oh man, everywhere, we love it. Okay, who else you got? Okay? Well, speaking of making a massive moment, Yeah, we need to talk about Madonna. Okay, now, this is not all of Madonna's look. I couldn't fit it on the eye on the way. I think I've got a wide shot. We can do it, can we? We can do a jewel Hold up for this because I'm missing seven accessories, which is in the form of seven stunning women. I've been calling them Madonna and the Pips, but that's not even accurate because there are way too many girls for it to be Pips. There we go, see, Oh my god, I loved this so much, and seven people holding out this beautiful train and I love that because they're so strict on the Metgala red carpet, And that's why selbs look so scared a lot of the time, because usually if you're famous enough to be at the met Gala, then you're famous enough to travel with an entourage, and you normally never walk a red carpet or even walk into a room without your manager and your publicist and your assistant. But no one gets to bring their team down the red carpet because the guest list is so tight, So the sleds have to stand by themselves in a line. It's the first time they're ever alone in their lives. And then they have to walk the red carpet by themselves, and most of them, because they're socially awkward, are terrified. So I love that no one gets a plus one, but Madonna gets seven plus seven seven servants slash maidens. It was giving a bit handmaiden but okay, so she's in Saint Laurent. It is the head piece. I love. The head piece is incredible. It's a ship. It kind of looks like. Helped me out here because I've never seen it, but I've been on the ride a lot at Disneyland. Yeah, the Pirates, the Pirates, the Caribbean, the what's the what's the one like the one that the captain Jacksbury is his ship? Yeah, I could not tell you that. I thought it looks like more like the ship from Noserati. That's where my head goes. Oh yeah, okay, well that too. Well it's a it's a bad baddie pirate. Yeah, we're we're not good on the pirate lingo. But like, it's this incredible head piece. Off it is draight, like long, long, long pieces of gray fabric that these women are all holding out and then she comes down in this like black dress. She's holding it looks like kind of like a trumpet the piece that she's holding. And what I did love seeing as well was she walked up the stairs, glided up the stairs with these women helping her along up the stairs. But then about fifteen minutes later you see the seven women. They all came running down to leave, so they kind of like fairies fleeing like a sort of like midnight fairy like festival. So they were allowed on the carpet, but not inside. No, absolutely not no, And they were only there for the spectacle of the photos. They were all holding the different sections. The way they move was like a choreographed dance around her, so that the dress was never twisted. They all had like pieces of lace covering their eyes, and it was the whole look so like the dress, the head piece, the way her hair was styled, all the women. It was in reference to that surrealist female painter Leonora Carrington, who was the inspiration for Bedtime Story right the music video from nineteen ninety four. So that is so incredible that they went and like looked back. The detail is just like, honestly pretty much I would say almost my winner of the night because of the deep because of the details and the reference back and I love that they use like it does reference an artist, but it also then references Madonna as an artist as well. Yeah, because that's her. Like I just I can't stop reading the Everyone on her team gave an interview and I'm like, that's correct. Well, there should be seventeen interviews from seventeen different people who put this look together. Imagine how hard the Saint Laurent team had to work to do all of these outfits. Yeah, because you've got all the people, like the handmade into a holding, the dresses, and like the way there has styled a makeup. Even her hairdresser said that they specifically made her hair dark brown, not black, very undone, very untouched, and made it look that like the hair looked lived in, much like Madonna herself. And I was like, get out of here with that. I love that so good, incredible. Okay, this one, I would not say it's my fave, but I think it's a talked about one and I appreciate it. It was a departure from her normal basic black column gown look and it's Hailey er. Do you know what. I absolutely agree. I normally don't have particularly have time for her. And I'm like, I read because she's not a red carpet girl, she's a street style girl. Yeah, but I think she thinks she's a red carpet girl, and a lot of people, well, I don't know. I think I really like someone tell her that's fine, that's not her currency. No, I look, look, I don't really have much time for Haley Beaver. Fine, I said it, be careful saying that in these means streets Sydney. I know, Sydney shut down when she arrives. I know. I don't think I could say it outside the walls of the studio, but you have to come into witness protection. But I'm just yeah, I just never I disliked her. But I know what you mean, Like, we don't understand. We did a whole episode of this, and I don't think we got to an answer the huge intense love and the fandom around her and nothing bad, Like I understand. But the thing is, like, there's lots of beautiful young women who have beautiful style and beautiful makeup and skin and share their lives online and people love them. And I understand all that about her, but whatever it is about her and who have celebrity marriages and who come from vapor totally. Whatever it is about her that has kicked her up to like the highest tier of that is what. I'm not white. I don't know. I don't I've asked so many people who love her and they can't even explain it. They're like, I don't know, I just love her. Yeah, I don't know, that's it. I don't know what her secret source is, but that's it. I don't think other people can name it either. Something about it. They love her, and you know, for a lot of people that's enough. But I agree, normally I am so just like I can't even really bothered to check what she's wearing on her carpet, right, but I thought she looks so absolutely exquisite. The colors, I think is what it is. I mean, hopefully she'll wear color going forward because it does suit her. So she's sewing Saint Laurent, as you said many people are, and it's a beautiful sculpted bodice that has like the breast and stomach detail, which a lot of people, including Kim Kardashian, did to some extent. But the difference with hers is that her sculpted bodice piece with the boobs is made completely of twenty four carrot gold, which is crazy. And then you have long blue chiffon skirt and also the kind of flowing neck piece around her. And apparently she's wearing a gladiator sandal. Oh but we can't see it, but they were in the I know, we'll have to go look at the video. In the video, she'll she'll show them the dress pulls up and she's wearing like a gladiator sandal. Which I'm not against those coming back. No, neither neither. Fifteen year on me is thrilled. No, I've still I've still got some in my coh. I don't throw anything out. I've got everything. Okay, great, so you're gonna be insion, I can pull them out. Okay, I've got someone I want to talk about. Okay, I want to talk about Annicole. Okay, so also a co chair tonight. So she was their first. So she was she's a rule follower because she's a real follower and she's got good manners and she wants to greet everyone. So she turned up first. She's wearing Chanel, so she's part of the Friend of Chanell House of Chanelle. You know she's she's a Chanel girl. She's a Chanelle girl throwing through. I love this color on her. I think she looks so so beautiful in this color. There's been a lot of chatter about her hair though, Oh okay, so I don't know if I have strong thoughts about the hair. So the dress is like this beautiful almost like a burgundy glittering, high necked, long sleeve dress. Beautiful train, and then like almost like a lighter red pomp pom esque feather detail pieces. So that's all beautiful, and she's got the height and everything to wear that. Do people not like the long straight blonde people aren't loving the hair, What do they want like a bum? I don't know. I think I think you need the hair with that. It's because she looks like she looks like a medieval princess with the way she's standing almost, with the cut of the dress and everything, and with that kind of like almost like mystical etherean legend kind of vibe. You need that long, flowing golden hair. Yeah, it would have looked too almost like too prissy with like a bun or Yeah, I think so too. I don't have a problem with the hair either. But there's been a lot of chatter online and also in this office, we're really driving everyone, well, this is just talking to us instantly, and we've like literally, we're like taking notes and we're like, will be the expert. I said nothing out there to anyone, so I just nodded when everyone spoke to me that I'm coming in here and being like and she said this, and I was like, well, this is the actual story anyway. I don't think the hair is that bad. No, general, I'm shocked by that. Do you know whose hair I don't like? You tell me? Oh? And I did screen this across the office. Okay, I just want Gracie Aprams to stop cutting her hair. Oh my god. Everyone was getting upset but again ragging the office. Everyone was like, what's with her hair? And I was like, but isn't that her whole thing? Because you've got to pick more of a pixie cut now, but kind of, I'm short, it's so so short. And I loved her with long hair. Also, I did love her Chinel dress. She looked really really, she did look beautiful. I think she's trying to, like rile against that traditional pop girl look and have like an edgy haircut, but then she pairs it with a pretty dress, and I think it's like, she is so pretty, she's got the cheek brown. Just because you've got the cheek bones doesn't mean you have to do it rest. Just because you can have like a weird bob cut doesn't mean you should. But I also if anyone, if anyone can, it's her fair. Okay, faves again, we can talk about this forever. So one of my all time faves, not just tonight at the Metgala, but in all walks of life. One of my fashion queens Gwendol and Christie, who of course people loved as Briann of Tarth in Game of Thrones, but also in so many other things, including recently in Wednesday on Netflix. Yes she, I mean, the thing is, she's just so statuesque and beautiful, and she's wearing this deep red gown with almost like a fish a mermaid train one shoulder, this beautiful head piece. But what I loved is she has a mask of her own face that she was holding up to people as she walked past them. And the look was designed by Giles Deacon, who was of course her lover. Her lover since I think twenty thirteen, officially, having a hot, fashioned boyfriend also makes you dresses. Yes, the dream, actually the dream. Yeah, where is that man? For the rest of us? Absolutely socially as a tall lady, like it's so hard, like not just model tall, but like tall tall. It's so hard. Sometime many spillers that don't know this. Yeah, Laura Brodnick is very tall. I'm tall. I stood next to Doing Christy once and I was like, this is what I dream of because we're in Like, she's tall than me. I'm joking. Of course everyone knows you're tall because you tell tall time. No one cares about my tall issues. And I'm just saying, it's hard to find a really good dress, and her boyfriend made her one. That's true love. Okay. Someone else I wanted to shout out quickly before we get into the last few big moments was Lena Dunnam in her beautiful Valentino gown. Yes, she looks like she's an escape from an old school Las Vegas casino, but I love that for her. And she was nervous about going to the metgala. She wrote about it because her body has been ridiculed over the years. She's on a big high now with everyone loving her memoir, and I just quite like this Valentino look. I only the only thing I kind of wish is like maybe the feathers weren't completely covering her face, because that looks unintentional. I agree, there's there is too much feathering around the face, and it is like it's obscuring our view of her, and not in a way that it looks like it's meant to no, Like it's not like she's wearing like that's part of the dress for her face. Use she's She's like, I can't see. Probably, I'm like, can you imagine they're probably tickling her nose and she's trying to say stuck in her lip glass. So I love seeing as well the call back to the Valentino rockstud heels on her. So they were seen in the Devil Wes praa promo I'm Miranda and people were like, oh, she would never wear Valentino rockstud heels, blah blah blah blah blah. Now yes, Valentino rockstard heels are back. I love that shoe. I'm so excited to see it back. And there's like a modern twist on it too, which Lena's wearing. And I think she looks fabulous, which is one thing I did notice about Lena, and I don't like. Look. I always think, you know, when you see celebrities on red carpets and they look so perfect, the skin looks so perfect. I'm like, oh, there's a little bruise on her leg, And I feel like whenever I go to any event, I'm always like, oh, I'm not trying to cover up a bruise or something like that. I'm like, thank god, there's a bruise on the red cart. She's got a little bruising on her leg, and you know that's when she probably bumped it. If she's like me, she bruises just by getting out of the car at the met game. And she's got her leg out and she's got the shoe out and she looks hot. Look. I'm so here for for like Lena's comeback. I love her. I love the work she does. I thought too Much was fantastic last year. I'm excited for more Lena. You know who we need to talk about Rihanna, the lady who almost missed the Red car, The lady who almost missed the Red she saw arriving last, and she was like, you know what, girl, I'm going to leave my hotel when they're packing up the carpet, which I pretty I could honestly say that is what happened. They had to reroll that carpet for this girl because I think they were actually sitting down to dinner when Rihanna arrived. And I love being late too, but like, yeah, she was altly really late, and I look, people are given her rival times for the Red Carpet, so either Rihanna did not look, did not care, or saw her arrival time and when no, no, no, I'm Rihanna the only celect who could really do that pretty much. I mean, but no, that's not true because Madonna could have done that, Beyonce could have Like this was the where they work. Actually, those high level celebs there that do not care what rules they're given. No, and no one's gonna tell Rihanna, Beyonce or Madonna what to do. Did Rihanna win? I don't know, because she kind of missed the Red Carpet coverage, so I feel like there was this ripple of like Rihanna's coming and it's like, is she really coming because the red carpet coverage has ended. She came, She's there. I think she came. Maybe just there is such thing maybe as being like unfashionably late, maybe because the photographers like, we've missed your mom. Obviously her photos went everywhere, but you're right, the excitement was kind of everyone was in like the carpet's finished, and all the newsrooms like, and now we get our articles up. Now we finished getting our stories up, and so it was kind of like she was a late addition. So she's wearing Marjella to twenty twenty five, and it's almost like she's got a wreath around her head, but it's almost like a silver like crinkled metallic. It's like a done metal sort of yeah, and it's almost like it's wrapping around her like she's some sort of a sea creature, like she's been pulled into a whirlpool. That's my official fashion take on that. I like it. I'm happy to go with that. But yeah, I mean she looks great, and you know what the thing is that she just rocks up being like I'm here, take my photo. I'll go when I want, and you're lucky to have me. Yeah, and we are, and we exactly we are. I just want to ask her what's it like not to be a people pleaser because I can't relate to that. Yeah, Okay. The last person we're going to talk about was perhaps the most surprising yest of the evening. I don't think anyone was expecting her to show up, but Blake Lively arrived on the red carpet looking absolutely exquisite, and she is such a Met Gala staple, and this moment I can't describe it, like yes, that there were these huge entrances that were saying like Madonna, Beyonce, all these moments, but her arrival felt like a scene from a movie or a scene from gossip Girl, you know how, like gossip Girl always has, like it would always the episodes culminate a big event when someone who'd been shunned from society or blackmailed walks into the event and everyone's like, oh, I didn't think they were going to be here. So so truly, Lively at the Met Gala was a real life you can hear a moment, i'd we can hear it, like good evening for East. Oh I'm back, I'm back. Guess who was back? And she was back in a big way, and she looked like Serena. She had the Serena hair going. She just like had you know, I mean, she's barely aged a day since then. Somehow she looked absolutely glorious. I think everything about her look was again not calculated, but I think she knew that her arrival would make crazy headlines, and so everything she was wearing, the way she spoke, her accessories were all geared towards sharing a very particular message, which is that she wants people to forget about the legal battle with Justin Baldoni. She wants to forget about the smear campaign, forget about what the last few years have been, and just remember her as queen of the Met Gala and like the movie star she is. Yeah, whether or not that landed with everyone, but that was very clearly the message. Look at won't people are so divided over black lives in so many people are committed to hating her. But I do think that she went a long way tonight in showing like who she is, being confident as well, Like I love that she just was like I'm showing up, I'm giving it my all. I'm going to look absolutely stunning, and I'm going to have my head held high and do what I do best, which is create this moment, yeah, and be a fashion icon. And the timing was quite incredible because the statement had only come out a few hours earlier that she and Justin Baldoni in I think quite a surprising term of events, considering the coverage and how that court case was going, that they had settled out of court. They released between their companies a joint statement saying that the settlement had happened, that it was going to remain private, so there's a good chance we'll never know the details of this settlement between them. But their statement was very much like we're proud of our movie, we're proud of the message, and basically move on and let's not let's pretend this never happened, which for the coverage that court case has got in the last few years and the fact that she did a tell all with the New York Time, and then he had a live website where he uploaded all his material on her, like the most public legal battle we've ever seen, and then them releasing a joint statement saying it's been settled. Away from the cameras, please don't talk about it. And then hours later her attending the biggest red carpet of the year, and there wasn't like you there's almost like an audible gasp from the crowd because she was there, and she hasn't been to the Met Gala for four years, and before that she was one of the queens of the Met Gala always you know, the big dress, the co chairing the event, best dressed, all those things. And then she came in and the gown is incredible. Some people thought again throwing me off to some of the bus. Some people thought it was too prince SSSI. But that's her look, right, that's her look. And it was actually really nice to see a PRINCESSI dress all the carpet, like you know, it's like the fantasy and it looks so beautiful. It was a two thousand and six Vasace dress archival piece. They had like reimagined it. They added a bit of fruit. They did had a bit of fruit at the end. And they're in like stunning pastor colors as like peaches and pale pis and violets, and it's so so pretty. The beating is gorgeous. When you look at the dress as well, like structurally around the skirt, it's so amazing, Yeah, paneling. She just looks so pretty in it. Her hair like the you know, it was like classic black life, classic curls, a huge train, jewels dripping off her. Just that idea like what the fashion girls would hate, like too much, but too much in a perfect way. And then I saw her. She think Tuney did one interview that I could see, and she did seem nervous, and I think she was really she was rushing out kind of like all the details of the design of the dress, the importance of it. She was crediting all the artists that she'd worked with, and in a way where she really wanted to be like, I'm just up here for the designer. I'm here for the artists, not here for me. But then she was also carrying this custom Judith liber bag and it had four sides to it, and each of the sides was a different artwork by one of her four children. Now there's some people out there that are like and the statement from Liba was, we love working with Blake. She's so creative. She's such an incredible like visionary. This is a beautiful tribute to her family and she was talking about her kids on the red carpet. Then there's the cynical people who was like, oh, look at her using her kids to distract from the fact that people hate her, Like she's trying to like use being a mother to like just you know, kind of like quiet in the noise. And I think that's probably a step too far. Look, I think it's a step too far, But I do think it's like it's such a safe conversation to have. So while I don't think that it was to kind of distract from the people who like, you know, she can't control that anyway, But what she can do when she's nervous and understandably so, is have a conversation on the red carpet that she feels comfortable with. She's in like an area where she feels good to talk about it. Yeah, And of course that's her children, and she's always talked about her children and brought them into her interviews and her life and everything like that. So you know, it felt correct for her, and it was always going to be a polarizing moment of her arriving. But look, I loved it because I love the drama. That's what the met gal is about the fashion, the drama, And what I think is so interesting is that of everyone that came and every headline at every moment, the one that everyone is going to be talking about is yeah, exactly, And what a way to re enter society post the legal dramas, but also to do it so quickly. Yeah. Day of She's like, we're not wasting any time. I'm back on the radar back. Do you think she would have gone had it not been finalized? No? I think she went because it was fine. They were able to get the settlement happened. They were able to agree on a joint statement and get it out on the day, which makes me think like was it targeted for the day or were they just scrambling at the last moment. I don't think she would have walked with that hanging over her head, because then she would have been seen as like a victim, and at least in this a victim either of people who support her or don't, Like there would have been a negative energy around her. At least with this, there's like this finality to it, like that is over and this is my new chapter. Like a debutante, she's reintroducing herself to society. And you know what, I'm so glad because it would have been such a shame if that dress had had to stay hanging in the Versace Itelier instead of being able to be on that carpet exactly. And that's what the day is about. That is what the day is about. Thank you for listening to The Spill today. Make sure you're following us on Instagram and TikTok to see all the looks that we covered today. The Spill is produced by Manicius Warren with video production by Michael Keane and we will see you next time. Bye bye, LaBecome a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FULL MET GALA DEBRIEF DROPS IN THIS FEED AT 5PM The Met Gala is happening right now — and we’re breaking the rules to bring you a special pre-game episode before the full debrief drops later today.In this mini episode, we’re getting you across everything you need to know before the red carpet chaos fully unfolds — from this year’s theme and what it actually means, to the celebrities who aren't there (and why that matters more than you think).Plus, the controversy already brewing behind the scenes — including the backlash surrounding Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sánchez’s involvement, the politics creeping into fashion’s biggest night, and the quiet celebrity boycott that could define the entire event.This is your essential Met Gala 2026 primer — because later today, we’re coming back with the full deep dive: every look, every headline, and every moment everyone will be talking about.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                     From Mamma Mia.00:02Speaker 2 Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tiner Burk, and welcome to a history making episode of The Spill. Because in the six years I've been hosting this podcast, we've never done this before. So Tina, it's a big day for you to be here. So what is happening If you hear the frantic energy in our voices, the flutter in our hearts, just we're in the midst of right now, in real time, in the midst of the twenty twenty six Met Gala.00:29Speaker 3 Absolutely wild time's happening here.00:31Speaker 2 So we're in the studio. The flurry of the red carpet is still happening outside. And here's the thing about the Met Gala, guys, I'm know if anyone else is across this, there's a lot of celebrities there.00:40Speaker 1 There's a lot of dresses.00:41Speaker 2 And we know we normally drop out big episode, like our full episode every day at three pm. That has been the rule. But today we're breaking the rules slightly. So we're coming to you now with a little teaser. So I hope you didn't look at the time and say, oh my God, their Metgala episode is fifteen minutes. Guys, my intros are fifteen minutes. We could ever so never fear. The full Met Garlett episode is actually dropping in the spill feed later today, but we needed time to do boots on the ground, or at least boots on the Getty on the Getty video images to make sure that we saw all the dresses that we could bring you a full recap that we were across all the celebrity drama, we were across the interviews, we were across just all the bits and pieces, so that we're not bringing you half an episode exactly. I would never It is a long red carpet. It kicks off at eight and it goes to a lunch time like it's a long deal, you know. And yeah, and spoiler alert for I guess how that what if Merrel Streeps said me the other day named us how the sausage is made behind the scene. Is that we normally record at eleven, which means we would have missed all the dresses. So we're coming to you today with just a little update to tide you over of what you can expect in our Met Garlett episode. Because what we do know so far, so we're coming to you from the past. We don't know what's going to happen. Like a ghost of Christmas Pass. That's the ghost of Metgala's pass. We don't know what's going to happen yet. But it's kind of shaping up to be a bit controversial, is that right, Teterburg?02:06Speaker 3 It is The Metgala's never without its controversy, especially in recent years. I think as us normal people have gotten more of a glimpse into it on social media. We now understand the cost tickets to go are upwards of one hundred thousand dollars. For like all of the famous stars you see walking the carpet, the clothes they're wearing are worth hundreds of thousands, if not millions sometimes of dollars. The diamonds, the jewels, all of it. It's so luxurious and beautiful, Yes, and I understand why it exists, But for so many people they look at it and they go, what a privilege and waste of money while real people are struggling. And that has really come to a head this year due to the honorary coachairs Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez Bezos. So according to page six, Jeff and Lauren would have paid about ten million dollars to be named honorary coachairs, and that basically means nothing, Like being an honorary coacher doesn't mean anything. It's not like the others who have actual roles in deciding what happens. It's just a title to show like your contribution to the culture. So basically Jeff and Lauren have been like accused of buying their way into the culture, with which I think is kind of fair. Yeah, but I do think that's what's happened here. But there's like an anti oligarch, anti tech activist group called Everyone Hates Elon, and they have been like blasting New York City with papers about boycott the Bezos met Baal. There's all of these signs going up that are anti Amazon, anti Jeff Bezos. And at the same time, also what's happening in New York is that the New York Maya Zoron Mum Danny is going to be like the first New York City first couple to not go to the met Gala, and he's made a statement of like he's looking forward to spending his time focused on making like affordability his priority in the most expensive city in the United States, and he said that's what I'm looking forward to spending my time focused on on the first Monday in May.03:45Speaker 1 So so fair.03:47Speaker 3 Quite a time period in which to be doing it. So it's made a lot of political discourse pop up about Jeff Bezos and we're definitely going to see I think more of it on the carpet as it keeps unfolding.03:57Speaker 2 Yes, So that has caused a bit of a rift in the fashion community, with some people in the fashion community saying we're just not going this year, We're going to sit it out, and then there's some roomored people like, people like is that why Meryl Streep's not going?04:09Speaker 1 Is that why end Days not going?04:11Speaker 2 I mean, neither of those women is ever going to confirm nor deny anything.04:14Speaker 3 But very interesting timing because Zendea's been seven years straight and this is the one she's sitting out of and she's around at the moment that much. We know she's on a lot of press tours for her film, so it actually would be a great year for her to go.04:25Speaker 2 Well, yes, but also she is going to have five massive red cars environments this year. That are all her. Whole carpet at every event is all about her. So maybe she thought this year she doesn't have to go. Maybe she's trying to pull a bit of a Beyonce because Beyonce is going to the met Gala this year for the first time since twenty sixteen, so for first time in ten years, and that is one of the reasons that Beyonce has her level of fame. Obviously she's talented and beautiful and all those things, but she's become so elusive.04:53Speaker 3 Yeah, she knows when to pull back.04:55Speaker 1 A sighting of her is like seeing like a like a what's an animal that's extinct? Nicon?05:00Speaker 2 Yeah, well never Yeah, I was gonna say unicorns are extinct.05:03Speaker 3 I didn't know you were going to say extinct, and unicorn came out before you were done.05:06Speaker 2 I was gonna say, wow, what why were we doing a podcast on that?05:09Speaker 1 But it feels like breaking news.05:11Speaker 2 I was going to say, like a Tasmanian devil or something like that still look or a Dodo bird if you saw one of those.05:18Speaker 1 This is not a wildlife podcast. If you saw one of those, you'd be like, wow, no one ever sees that.05:22Speaker 2 That's Beyonce. That is Beyonce because she's so she doesn't need the press. No, she's beyond press. Yeah, well she's beyond so maybe yeah. And I feel like Zenda is going in that way too, absolutely beyond the press as well.05:32Speaker 1 Yeah for sure.05:33Speaker 3 And like Beyonce's joined by Nicole Kidman, Venus Williams, and Anna Wintour as the co chairs, which means they're kind of like as well as the hosting committee in charge of like figuring out the theme, the guest list, like who's coming all of that jazz. They do have an involved role, the co chairs and the honorary Hosting Committee, which is like fifty celebrities. Yeah, the honorary So like the co chair committee, which I didn't even realize is the thing.05:54Speaker 1 It's the host committee.05:55Speaker 2 Do we think that they're like getting on a zoom or this sting on a table and someone's bringing snacks and someone's taking notes. I would love to be a fly on the wall for this because the host committee is Sabrina Carpenter, Doja Cat, Tiana Taylor.06:06Speaker 1 Even just those three, I'd be like, girls, I'll play in the event. You guys just gossip.06:12Speaker 2 Lisa from Black Pink, Elizabeth de Becky and Lina Dunham. And also this feels like very kind of prom king and queen. Yeah if you were like school captains in Australia. Is that the host committee? They have two leaders and they are Anthony Vecacalo and Zoe Kravitz.06:28Speaker 1 Yeah, why I sell power Doer. Yeah.06:30Speaker 3 Yeah, it's going to be really interesting as well, Like I would love to be a fly on the wall and be like, so what.06:35Speaker 1 Do you guys talk about?06:36Speaker 2 It needs to make a mockumentary about the met Gala hosting committee. Can you imagine like the side threads and the side chats and like WhatsApp groups and stuff that are happening away from the main thread.06:46Speaker 3 I do feel like the person who's up for that job is Mindy Kaling because she was involved in The Ocean's Eight when they pretended to rob the met Gala, and that felt like someone's insights who had really been there, And Mindy goes sometimes I reckon she could write us a little bit.06:58Speaker 1 Oh my god, Mindy Kaling, please make that happen. How good?07:01Speaker 2 Even if you don't want to make it a documentary, you could fictionalize it, but we can tell who you know, like a blonde Dove Cameron like plays Sabrina Carpenter and like so on and so forth, you know what I mean, Like we can tell who's who?07:13Speaker 1 Yes, that would have been nice. Actually, that's fine.07:15Speaker 2 I love our fan fiction. Maybe that's what we'll dorn the Met this year, which is fan fiction.07:18Speaker 1 Of the Malla. That would be delicious.07:21Speaker 2 The theme this year, I love it. Every year everyone debates the theme, but most people are unsure what it is. I feel like Sarah Jessica Parker is the only one who really goes in on the theme. Yes, we haven't heard she's going this year, but she is usually on the red carpet the Met, and she puts so much time and effort. She reads like books, she interviews people, she goes deep on it. And then other people are just like, well they said something blah blah blah gardens, so I'm a flower. Yeah, so wait, fair enough fair And then hers is like, oh, you know, the lace from my dress is like mimics the poem that was yeah from the Zeer blah bla blah.07:56Speaker 3 Yeah, and you know what really highlighted that was the Sleeping Beauty. Yeah, like that year some people like, I don't know what they were doing. They were really just garden rose in spied outfits. And then yeah, other people were like, well they read this fairy tale from this point in time and the fashion referenced. Yeah, it separates the true art.08:11Speaker 1 I love that.08:12Speaker 2 So this year's theme is Costume Art, which is named after the new exhibition YEA, and the dress code for the met Gala is fashion is Art and so on. The invitation it said guests are invited to explore their relationship to fashion as an embodied art form and celebrate depictions of the dressed body throughout art history. Yeah, I'm going to say five people are going to do that last bit. Everyone else is going to go Art. Just means that you could really go with a very easy, avant garde, crazy over the top. I wondered it would be like the year was Camp and people were just dressing crazy outfits.08:43Speaker 1 Yeah.08:43Speaker 3 So Andrew Bolton, the curator of the Like Costume Institute, he was like, I do worry people might take the theme literally and come as a painting. Like he knows, he's like someone's total He actually said, he was like, I'm scared someone's gonna come as like that Campbells suit painting Katy Perry.08:58Speaker 1 I was gonna say Katy Perry. Well, I was like, let's not slam Katie Perry lesser.09:02Speaker 3 But the year she came as a burger, it was like widely reported that Anna Winter was like what the hell?09:06Speaker 1 Yeah? And Wint was like, when I made this the event of the year, that's not what I meant to.09:10Speaker 3 No, it's not meant to be a dress up thing like it is, but in a very different way.09:14Speaker 1 Yeah. But I found it.09:15Speaker 3 Really interesting because he's spoken at length about like the exhibition and they've split it into like thirteenth thematic body type, so there's like pregnant bodies, aging, disabled, variations on nudity, and they said, like the exhibition has two hundred sculptures and artworks alongside two hundred garments and accessories, So it's about bodies that have been marginalized in fashion and ones that haven't been valorized in either fashion or Western culture. And I found it really interesting because he was like a lot of the development's fashion has made over the last few years have really eroded, and I don't feel like we're seeing as much diversity on the runway as we were seeing. So it's a very interesting time with a lot of the discoss that we are having about famous people's bodies and bodies on runways and men magazines and in movies at this time for this exhibit. But I do think the theme goes over a lot of people's heads. Sometimes, I'm not going.10:00Speaker 2 To pay a lot of people and we'd already know we're just going to see it like a full sea of very very thin bodies at the met Gala, because it's a representation of who's in fashion and entertainment at the moment, and that's who's in fashion and.10:12Speaker 1 Entertainment at the moment.10:13Speaker 2 So I don't think there'll be any sort of body diversity. I feel like that conversation is dead and buried to the detriment of us as a society. And Andrew Bolton in his exhibit, yeah exactly. But I'm interessed to see what a lot of people wear. I'm interested about how Kim Kardashian is gonna vier because she got to a point where the first couple of years after the whole debacle, when she was pregnant and she will the flower rose gown and.10:36Speaker 1 Everyone always quite like that. It was quite nice too. This is me think he tell us of dress as well. I don't know anything.10:41Speaker 2 It's just that she was heavily pregnant and people just pretend that they like that, but they don't. And after that, she just went through many years of just wanting to look pretty because I think she was trying to be accepted. And then she got into an interesting place of the stunt dressing with the Marilyn Monroe look and the wet look, beaded gown like my waist defires human measurements, yeah, and the walking with her face covered, so her silhouette spoke to everything. So there was all that, and the last few years with like the pearl dress and even like the Garden one where she had the cardigan and that was her stunt and people just thought that her dress broke beforehand, when was just not what happened. And now she's in an interesting space whether she's either going to have to just decide she's not stunt dressing anymore and she's going to go down the path of just looking like pretty in chic, or she's going to lean further into stunt dressing. And I hope it's that one and that's what it means to be because she looks just beautiful every other night of the year. But I think she cares less about being beautiful now because she knows she's beautiful, yeah, and she cares more about getting a good headline.11:36Speaker 3 And it was like when she did the sort of water droplet dress like the gal yeah, and like that was the camp year, right, and everyone was like, this is in camp, this is ridiculous, But actually she was one of the ones who understood the dress codes the most, and when you looked into how the dress was made and like the skill set that had gone into it and like what it represented, she was actually one of the ones who got it right. And I think that's the thing about her stunt dressing is sometimes people see it and go like, oh, well, she didn't read the dress code, and it's like, actually, I think she's one of the.12:02Speaker 1 And she wants people to think like she trained and.12:04Speaker 3 I feel like she's copying Sarah Jessica Parker in that, like she sees her as her inspiration fashion wise, and she wants that for herself.12:10Speaker 1 She wants to be taken seriously. That's so interesting.12:13Speaker 2 Well we'll see, so make sure you drop back into this feed this afternoon fro omur Met Gala Special. We're gonna be combing through all the dresses, all the scandals, all the behind the scenes. You just know that carpet is going to be a lit with celebrity gossip, and.12:26Speaker 1 Stick around for that. 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This morning, Cameron Diaz has named her third baby and it is quite something, Britney Spears has walked out of court with a second chance, and the Spice Girls gave Leeds an absolute gift over the weekend. ☕ Cameron Diaz and Benji Madden welcome baby number three  ☕ More baby news for Princess Eugenie ☕ Britney Spears avoids jail in her DUI case and her lawyer says she's doing well ☕ Kris Jenner wants to manage Robert Irwin, and Terri has thoughts  ☕ Olivia Rodrigo roasts Jake Paul on SNL and he takes it like a champ ☕ Mel B crashes Mel C's Leeds show and the Spice Girls are briefly, gloriously back THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel.Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                                               You're listening to A'm Mom with Mia podcast. Good morning, angels. I hope you're glowing today because we have an absolutely jam packed episode. He just happened overnight. I'm gonna get you through. You just settle in, relax. I got you babes. Today, We've got baby news for two famous ladies. Brittany Spears Always Jail Time, Olivia Drigo versus Jake Paul and the Roasting Steaks and the Spice Girls give us a mini reunion in Leeds that has sent the Internet quietly feral. Let's pour the tea baby baby news to kick us off. Cameron Diaz and Benji Madden have welcomed their third child and announced it in the most adorable way. Benji posted to Instagram that he and Cameron are happy, excited, and feeling so blessed to announce the birth of our third child, Nautous Madden. Welcome to the world sun. The announcement came with the trading card graphic featuring a pirate ship and the meeting of the name Sailor Navigator Voyager, one who embarks on a journey and fears not the unknown. Karon and Benji are also parents to daughter Radix and son Cardinal two. So now they've got three kids under seven. Witches a lot. Cameron, who came out of a ten year Hollywood retirement last year, but back in action is clearly thriving on all fronts. Radix, Cardinal and Nortis Madam. They are committed to a theme and I respect it enormously. And more baby news, this one with royal flavor. Princess Eugenie and her husband Jack brooks Bank can be ever heard a richer name are expecting their third child. Buckingham Palace announced her Royal Highness Princess Eugenie and mister Jack brooks Bank are very pleased to announce that they are expecting their third child together due this summer. August, aged five and Ernest, age two are also very excited to have another sibling join the family. His Majesty the King has been informed and is delighted with the news. And next time. Britney spears a pete in court yesterday by her lawyer for her duy case and has avoided jail time. She pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of reckless driving involving alcohol and drugs and was sentenced to twelve months probation, fines, and must complete a three month DY course. The original dui charge has been dropped, but it's a tough one because obviously I want Brittany to be happy and healthy and not got a jail, but also driving while under the influence so incredibly dangerous. She was offered the deal because she has no prior DUI history, there was no crash, and she voluntarily checked herself into rehab straight after the rest. She completed that treatment last week. Let's hope she's an upward trajectory soon. Stick around when we return. Chris Jenna has her site set on a new client, and Jake Paul has responded to the roasting from Olivia Rodrigo on SNL Welcome Back to Morning Tea. Reports have emerged that Chris Jenna has her site set on Robert Erwin as her next management client, and insider says Chris is impressed by Robert's incredibly telegenic, wholesome, and authentic nature. However, Terry has reservations, specifically that she doesn't want Robert to come tabloid fodder. The source added, history has not been kind to the men who get involved with the Gardashians and Terry being the absolute icon. Geeze made her own feelings pretty clear with the Steve Irwin gala in Las Vegas over the weekend, joking about Robert's increasingly shirtless content, saying Steve never took his shirt off for wildlife. Yeah, well, respectfully, Terry, Steve didn't have fast delicious rig But I got to agree with Mamma Bear Chrisky is the most talented strategic manager on the planet. But our boy Robert is a precious, wholesome flower who must be protected at all costs quick ones to close us out, and they are both delightful in their own way. First, Olivia Rodrigue made her S ANDL hosting debut over the weekend absolutely smashed it. In an opening monologue, she called out her former Disney Channel co star Jake Paul. 03:50Speaker 2 We had an incredible cast, which included acting legend Jake Paul, and we'n always talk about our futures. Me and Jake, I'd say, I really want to create music that explores the complexities of girls my age, and he'd say, well, one day, I really want to beat up old guys on Netflix, and we both did it. Hooray. 04:11Speaker 1 Paul has responded on social media and it's a genuinely lovely response. He posted that they both had the vision and he said proud of you for real, adding when challenged, I got that she was making a joke at my expense. So watch she's on SNL and that's what they're supposed to do, Jake Paul. Being gracious and self aware is not something I expected to type today, but here we are. Lead The Spice Girls gave us well. A couple of the Spice Girls gave us a completely unexpected mini reunion in Leeds of the weekend, Melsey was performing at a show for her new album when she spotted Melby in the crowd and got her up friend cheeky sing along for me. My loves The Girls will be back any feed from three pm with this spill. My name is ex London. Hosted producer. Executive producer is Minishia. It's Warren. Make sure you follow this bill podcast on all the Socialists to stay up to date and I'll be back tomorrow morning. Bye. Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have recorded this podcast on the Gatigor people of the eorination. We pay our respects to their elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Horror Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

First up, a massive celebrity engagement has taken a bizarrely fated turn after fans discovered a hidden connection between Harry Styles, Zoe Kravitz and a beloved book franchise. Plus, we're dissecting the first grainy on-set photos from a highly anticipated movie sequel - including a certain "upgraded" diamond ring that has the internet comparing old flames .Plus, we have a very serious theory about a sky-blue dress and a horseshoe necklace. We’re unpacking why a certain countdown appeared and vanished on a major artist's website, and whether she is about to pivot into the world of animated sequels to finally secure her "EGOT" status.And finally, the real-life inspiration behind one of cinema's most iconic "assistant" roles has finally stepped out of the shadows after twenty years. We get into her "savage" rebuttal to the woman who wrote the book and her mortifying encounter at a mutual friend’s house with the A-list actress who played her on screen. Read the Vogue interview with the real life Emily from Devil Wears Prada here. Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                                       From Mum and Me Out.00:02Speaker 2 Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and I'm Tina Burke and coming up on the show today, Look, Taylor slipped us up to some antics. There's secret coded messages in her outfits, there's potential secret songs, there's a countdown.00:15Speaker 1 I'm gonna be so honest.00:16Speaker 2 I'm gonna let you, Tina Burke, explain that because that is wait, you're crazy, Taylor, so fandom that's your business. Plus something I have been obsessed with for the last few days. I know we both have, but we need to talk about it. The real life Emily from The Devil Wears Prada has come forward after all these years, and she's given some really interesting insights about the author of the book, Anna wind Tour Emily Blunt. We're getting get into the biggest takeaways from that, but first you have some other things to discuss.00:43Speaker 3 I have some things that have come across my desk this morning. One of them is very short and I just need to touch on it really quickly, Will And it is that. Obviously, last week we discussed Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles engaged. According to people magazine. Do you know what their middle names are? Her middle name is Isabelle, Isabella Isabelle.01:00Speaker 1 Last, what his is? No, it's Edward. Oh they are Edward and Bella. Oh my god, this has blown up.01:08Speaker 2 You might be the only person who. Oh no, it has blown up on socials this morning.01:12Speaker 3 It's come across the internet because they are Bella and Edward from Twilight, which means they are now faded to be together forever. I was skeptical before. I was like, they're not gonna last. It's not gonna happen. And now I'm like, no, they're Bella and Edward, so like it's gonna happen. By Stephanie Wheer, Oh my god, I love some little nerd put that together. I love nerds.01:28Speaker 1 And they together.01:29Speaker 2 For nine months, we've had this information for nine months and only now have people picked it up.01:32Speaker 3 Someone sat on it until now, And maybe they'll have a little renett me of their own, just something to think about, something a bit.01:37Speaker 1 More serious, do you think of it?01:39Speaker 2 Well, I'm sure they'll be thrilled that people have figured out they're supposed to be together because they're middle names.01:43Speaker 1 Yes, no other reason.01:46Speaker 2 Yeah, something more serious that isn't more serious, No, but with just my lurkings on social media is the Summer I Turn Pretty has officially.01:55Speaker 3 Been done filming the movie, which is very exciting. It's been really like under wrapped of what exactly the plot was going to be. I mean, we pretty much assume and everyone has reported that it's going to be about like Belly and Conrad finally getting married, but we didn't finally.02:10Speaker 2 Everyone's like, well, when will those crazy kids get married?02:13Speaker 3 Honestly like sitting on the shelf at this point. But I do think they're going to be about twenty five. But the first onset photos came out over the weekend. They've gotten back to set and while they were incredibly grainy and blurry and they were kind of like pat photos or fan photos taken on phones, they're all out on a boat on the lake.02:29Speaker 1 It's very the summer return pretty.02:31Speaker 3 Yes, what you can see is that Belly has a big diamond ring on her left ring finger.02:37Speaker 2 Okay, people have not handled these photos well in a mature way. Everyone has been pretty nasty, pretty crazy because the ring, as we all remember, if you can even call her that, that was given to Belly by Jeremiah in the show was so small that you literally couldn't see it. Even when she held it up in front of your face, you could not see it. We put it on socials and we had to.02:58Speaker 3 Draw a circle around it, the tiny little diamond.03:01Speaker 2 From that point, poor Jenny Hahn, the writer of the books and creator of the TV series and showrunner and all these things, This talented, creative, brilliant woman then gave up her precious time to go on oppressed tour to do interviews so that fans could ask her questions about the show. And all that woman got asked was what was that tiny ring? Was that meant to be a joke? And that poor woman had to answer over and over again. No, it wasn't meant to be a joke. We just thought, like, he doesn't have any money, so of course you'd have a small ring. It's just the way that belly held it up so defiantly to show the family and then you couldn't see it, and you couldn't see it at all. Became such a running joke.03:36Speaker 3 Yes, and so even from a great distance on a boat in the middle of the high seas, you can see the ring that we can assume Conrad has given to her. So it's a Peconkin diamond, and I'm very excited about that because she does deserve it. And this is why you date the handsome doctor and not like the weird other brother. There were lots of reasons, but I do think this is one of them. The other big thing that has come out based on these photos is that Jeremiah our like sad single other.04:01Speaker 1 Hey.04:01Speaker 2 Hey, some of us were kind of quietly team Joremiah nick word team Jeremiah, and I don't understand why, but that's your business. He has his arm wrapped around a mystery blonde woman, so that, oh god, it's not that woman from who was that girl?04:13Speaker 1 I kind of friend.04:14Speaker 3 Yeah, So the whole season three subplot of him falling for the roommate and the roommate being a weird hater of Conrad that never.04:21Speaker 1 Sat well, Yeah, that just felt right. That was for nothing.04:23Speaker 3 It felt rushed, and it was for nothing because now he's on a boat with a woman who looks a little bit too much like his mother and he's got his arm around her and they look to be a couple. So wow, something to think about there, But we don't really know too much about what the film is about, but we do know that Jenny Hahn is directing. So she directed one of the episodes of the season three, which was episode five. Laura, I don't know how much you remember the summer I Turned pretty, but episode five was the one from Conrad's pov Oh the Apple.04:48Speaker 1 We hate the Apple, and he is in the white T shirt. Yeah, that song played wild Horses beautiful.04:52Speaker 3 VI.04:52Speaker 2 Wow, I just like, I feel like I just lost you for a second, just went off and I just got into.04:55Speaker 3 My Conrad's little like mind bubble. But she's going to direct the film, so she said, taking inspiration from Nora Efron. Oh great, so great person to take your inspiration from. You do have to wonder what like the traditional third actension is going to because I think the whole show was third actension and we don't need to see a mini breakup again. But I don't know, maybe Steven and the other one can have some drama.05:17Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean that's the thing. Isn't it to be able to make a movie like that.05:20Speaker 2 Yes, yes, you've got the wedding as the plot, but there's going to have to be some moment where you think they're not going to get married some sort of drama.05:26Speaker 1 You can't just have a wedding.05:27Speaker 3 No, But like at this point, it's been drama non stop for years.05:30Speaker 1 You go tired to Paris.05:31Speaker 3 She's like, actually, I'm going back to Paris, thank you so much. I'm leaving you again. That would be so boring. We can't do that.05:36Speaker 1 Do we know when this is coming out? Like, at least not until next.05:39Speaker 2 Year twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty seven to be coming out. Yeah, I mean, I guess people will still be interesting, Like I know people still be interested, But I was worried when the show ended and they announced the movie was happening, and the momentum was so huge, and in my head, I was like, oh, I wonder if they've started shooting so that this can come out at least a year after the last episode has aired, and now it's going to.05:59Speaker 1 Be well over year.06:01Speaker 3 Yues.06:01Speaker 2 People still care because there was such a fandom around that show.06:04Speaker 1 But do we think it all? Do we think the momentums lost a little bit?06:07Speaker 3 I think so, And as well, there were reports like the other week about the fact that maybe the cast had only signed on to do the movie in order to get pay bumps for season three when they were renegotiating, and Deadline kind of reported saw stuff the cast themselves didn't come out and say this, but that the cast might have felt like they were a little bit taken hostage in having to agree to the movie so that they could get a pay.06:28Speaker 1 Rise for three.06:29Speaker 3 So there's also like that little underlying tension as well that I think some fans aren't happy with. And yeah, it's a long wait for a movie that realistically like I don't know what's like, how much could possibly happen.06:39Speaker 2 Yeah, we love Jenny harm but yeah, we love Jenny Harm. Well, hopefully there's a big plot twist in there. But that's the thing about having these continuing stories is like you do have to kind of break something or change something in order to make it worth the stakes.06:51Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm sure to be fine.06:52Speaker 2 And also at least that they were all out of like high school and through college, they have to worry about it. They don't have to worry about them aging out of their roles. Yeah, we've got a good fifteen year years before that happens. So no, I think it'd be fun.07:02Speaker 1 Yeah, So, as.07:04Speaker 3 Discussed my favorite topic in the world. Taylor Ellison Swift has come up twice, actually more than even twice, several times in the past week, but on two very significant occasions. We have been talking about Taylor Swift and I have been talking your ear off, and I'm sure you loved every second of it.07:18Speaker 1 Right, No, I always.07:19Speaker 2 Find that you have an interesting angle on Taylor Swift because you're like really in the weeds with not just the fan theories, but kind of like the industry chat as well.07:27Speaker 1 So I find that very interesting. I thank you for play kating a lot of people who care about stuff I can't really relate.07:32Speaker 3 Yeah, and I care about everything weigh too much. But one of the things that came up last week, which some of the spillers may have seen, I know a lot of people were texting me going, what the hell is happening right now?07:44Speaker 2 People text you if something happens to tell you Swift, They're like, what's going on? Why is this a thing?07:48Speaker 1 And to be fair, you know the answer, and I do know the answer.07:50Speaker 3 So Taylor Swift. On Friday last week, a mysterious countdown appeared on her website for the briefest of moments and obviously, if you know anything about Taylor Swift, she loves like an Easter egg, she loves a big reveal, and she often does these countdowns on her website. So before the Life of a Showgirl album came out, whole website changed colors, big countdown pops up. This time, her website briefly changed to a sky blue background with like white cartoon clouds, and a countdown appeared in like this also cartoonish kind of font and then disappeared, and the Swifties very quickly put together that it looked like Toy Story Wow, okay, and Toy Story five is coming out soon.08:31Speaker 1 No, I'm aware, Oh good, I'm aware. I'm up on the plots, I'm up on everything.08:35Speaker 3 No, everything, and Toy Story five is coming out soon. But the thing is, people suddenly realized, holy shit, has a Taylor Swift been dropping Toy Story five clues?08:45Speaker 1 And again, yes, yes, okay, it looks like yes.08:49Speaker 3 So one of the things that I love about Taylor Swift is so and it's bold of me to say this, I'm sitting here in a T shirt, but her street style is not necessarily beloved by the fashion girls. A lot of people think she dresses a bit basic or like. The common theme is people think there's always like one thing wrong with her outfits, so she often gets roasted for her She.09:08Speaker 2 Gets roasted, And it's so interesting how there's this huge fandom of people that are just like, oh, she looks she just looks terrible. She dresses frumpy. If you listen to any kind of fashion podcast, fashion adjacent, any kind of industry chat, they're just like, she's known as being like one of the worst dress celebrities. Can I just say, I can't see it. I like her outfits.09:28Speaker 1 I like them too. I guess I'm just not a fashion girl.09:31Speaker 2 But I thought, like recently in the dress with the little yellow bag and the heels, maybe it's because I too am a little basic. Like when people just like, oh, it's so boring when she just wears a glittery gown, I was like, you know what, wear a glittery gown. I'm so sick of everyone wearing a beige column dress or a black dress. They're like, it's chival blah blah blah. I don't know, they all look the same. Well, at least she has a look.09:50Speaker 1 Yes, she has a look.09:51Speaker 3 She knows what her style is, and she has worked for years and years and years with the same style as Stress of Castles. You have to wonder how he feels about it all. But he also does like her, like streaming and stuff for like the Era's tool.10:01Speaker 2 If he does love that, it's so wild because I don't see a huge jump between her costumes from the RAS tour and her street style and her red carpet style. To me, it all looks very like concise and that it fits together, Like she doesn't look like she's in a costume when she's on stage to me, and she doesn't look like she's been dressed by someone else when she's like she always looks like her. Yeah, and there's very few celebs that look like that, Like some of them, there's such a clear line between their street style and their event dressing.10:26Speaker 1 Yeah. So I don't know what people want. I don't know what people want.10:29Speaker 3 But what they did was dig back, and they didn't have to dig very far because last week she did wear the outfit you're talking about, which is like a sky blue dress.10:36Speaker 1 She had a yellow bag.10:36Speaker 3 She was wearing lue batons, which obviously have a red bottom on them, and she was wearing a horse shoe necklace, and so people ripped into this outfit last week. Yeah, and then suddenly on Friday, when.10:46Speaker 1 I was like, wa, where can I buy that?10:47Speaker 3 And I can't afford it? But I thought she I thought it was a great dress. She was out for dinner with her family and friends. And though she has previously said she does an Easter Egg when she's like Easter Egg her personal life, she does Easter Egg through fashion all of the time. And people as soon as this Toy Story theory started kicking around, well like, wait a minute, was that hideous outfit we hated on Monday a.11:05Speaker 1 Toy Story five clue? Maybe?11:08Speaker 3 And then outside of that, there is also there's clouds in the background of her opal Aite music video, Greta Lee, obviously because of the Graham Norton show was in that music video. Guess what She's also doing voicing a character in Toy Story five exactly, and June five is the really.11:23Speaker 1 State of Toy Story five.11:24Speaker 3 It was also the really state of Tailswift's debut album, Whoa. So everyone's kind of gathered these clues together to decide that she is making his song for Toy Story five and that the countdown accidentally got set live early.11:36Speaker 1 Oh but does she do anything by accident that I'm not sure of.11:39Speaker 2 So if the countdown had been like real, it would have counted down to like Sunday five am ish our time, and then nothing happened.11:45Speaker 1 And nothing, but it did disappear.11:47Speaker 3 So I do have to wonder if it was like a phase test gone wrong. If it is gonna happen, I mean we'll find out. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me for like Taylor to be like, you know what, now it's time for a kid's music soundtrack.11:59Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, look, she's exactly the right age to have a very nostalgic yeah, because like all elder Malone, like she's an elder millennial just like us.12:07Speaker 1 Maybe or not, but yeah, we're all in that same.12:09Speaker 2 Bracket where we'd like grown up with Toy Story and then that we had like the later Toy Story movies that hit us as adults, and now this next one that we know is coming up is really kind of hitting everyone. It's more for adults and kids, it's hitting us at the stage of our life where we're in wood.12:22Speaker 1 He's got a bald spots triggering for everyone.12:26Speaker 2 It's yeah, so May there's a world in which she's a secret Toy Story fan and she has a real affinity with this franchise she's growing up with, and like it's all the cool kids like Greta Lee's getting in on Toy Story and then you have like Tom Hanks coming back and all the voice cast, and yeah, it's the one thing that everyone wants a piece of at the moment in Hollywood, which is so crazy.12:44Speaker 1 It's a Toy Story franchise.12:45Speaker 3 And one thing we know about Taylor Swift is that she does love an award. And if she could win a songwriting award and get a little bit closer to being an Eagle winner, you just know she would love that.12:55Speaker 2 She's just had a rough run as that poor girl. When will anything go right for Taylor?13:00Speaker 1 When will she again?13:01Speaker 2 I know she was meant to be a shoeing for the Oscars for Cats, Yeah, because she When you write a song, you co write a song with Andrew Lloyd Webber for one of the like most enduring musicals of all time, yea, you should at least get a nomination and probably a win, And that song was lovely, and I'm sure she pictured herself up on stage the Oscar singing it. And then Cats were so reviled and so universally hated the fact that Andrew Lloyd Webber went and bought a dog. Man hated dogs.13:29Speaker 1 He's like it turned me. He literally said that the other day a dog person.13:33Speaker 2 Yeah, He's like, I hated the adaptation of my work Cats so much that I went and bought a dog.13:38Speaker 1 Like, that's how much that man is angry at And.13:40Speaker 2 So Taylor's missu and that, and then everyone thought she was going to get a short film for the nomination for All Too Well. And there's been a few other times her music has been in the mix for a possible nomination, but it just hasn't. It's the one thing that's eluding her.13:51Speaker 3 It is, and I do think like she's got her thinking cap on and she's like a sad song about Jesse the Doll. That's a Cowboys song that could do well.13:59Speaker 2 I mean, the thing is, it's it's a good plan. If that woman writes a banger for toy story for the next movie, then yeah she's in. Then that's a real hook for a Best Song nomination at least.14:10Speaker 3 Yes, and so that was sort of the like unseerious side, but I do believe in it.14:14Speaker 1 That was a serious side.14:15Speaker 3 Yes, no surprising thing. So something else that Taylors which is making headlines for at the moment is her name in relation to a billion dollar sale to do with Spotify. But it's kind of due to something that she did back in twenty eighteen. And the reason I want to talk about it is because I love her so much, but also she's going to get so many other artists and so many other like songwriters and people involved in production paid out as a result of something she did back in twenty eighteen. But basically Universal Music Group are looking at selling half of their three percent stake in Spotify. And that might sound small, but that deal could be worth as much as like one point four billion dollars.14:51Speaker 1 It's a lot of money.14:52Speaker 3 So basically a bid from Pershing Square came to Universal which was to like buy out part of Universal or to become an investor, and in order to do that, they wanted them to liquidate part of their Spotify shares. But then for some reason everyone's reporting that it's like independently Universal Music has decided to sell off part of their Spotify shares and that was announced in April, but at the moment, they're obviously looking to sell off the stake. And what that would mean, like why Taylor Swift is involved is that she negotiated a deal back when she signed in twenty eighteen and other labels were selling off their Spotify shares, she negotiated that the funds would be non recoupable.15:33Speaker 1 Hard work to say.15:34Speaker 3 Got to tell you what that means is, obviously record labels, like every other label that would exist in the world, when an artist makes money, part of that money goes back to their record label. But obviously in this case the record label would be selling something, they would be giving that money to artists, and Taylor Swift is blocking that money from ending up going back to the record label. Oh and so the reason that she did that was because, as we know, Masters were a really big deal to her. She universal in twenty eighteen, and the reason she left Big Machine Records is she wanted to own her masters, like to own her own work, and the only way that Big Machine were willing to do that was if she gave them all one for one deal. So every time she gave them a new album, they would give her back ownership.16:14Speaker 1 Of one of her older albums.16:15Speaker 3 Oh, and she was like no, and didn't really trust Scott Bourschetta. And I think as well. She'd signed on when she was so young, she was a teenager. Her family were really involved. She was one of the very first artists that they had at Big Machine Records. She's certainly their most successful and I think they tried to make her feel as though like she owed them this deal even though it wasn't beneficial or good for her, and so she walked away went to another music group. As we know, the Masters thing kind of carried on for years and at that time wasn't as well known. But in twenty eighteen it did become a big deal. Oh my god, Taylor Swift wants more money from Universal. And what she was actually doing was making sure that this deal would impact smaller artists and musicians. And she said it at the time, she was like, I see it as a sign that we're heading towards positive change, a goal I'm not going to stop trying to help achieve in whatever ways I can. But she was very honest at the time that she was on her sixth seventh album, and she was like, I can speak up and be a voice for change, but younger artists can't. And she was like, what is the point of me, essentially, if I'm not going to stand my ground and have these arguments with record labels and Universal agreed. So they were one of the first to do it, and it does mean now when they're doing this sale, all of these other artists are gain and benefit massively, and I do think it's a testament today Swift. And I know a lot of people talk about her being a billionaire or like money grabbing, and at the time this deal was viewed very much as like, oh.17:35Speaker 1 She's just out for herself.17:36Speaker 3 But I do think she's one of those rare people in the music industry who isn't even though yes, she's going to benefit too, she does want other people to not go through what she went through.17:46Speaker 2 That's interesting thing because and I've said this before public on the podcast, So whether it's wrong or right, is that sometimes I feel like when she takes in the past, she has taken these big stands, it often kind of comes across like people really rally around her and celebrate her for some of the things she's done or when she said, but a lot of them. It sometimes feels like she just weighs on an issue when it's going to benefit her, and she tries to make it a universal thing. She's like, this man said this, you know, inappropriate thing to me, which also fair enough to be upset, and she's like, I'm going to take a stand, and everyone kind of rallies around her, and yeah, it's like, you know, oh, women's rights are that sort of thing. But at the same time, when you actually look at it from like a like a higher lens and kind of float above it, you're like, that was that was.18:26Speaker 1 Just for you.18:27Speaker 2 And saying the master's thing where I think for a long time there where she was like everyone felt like they were swept up in this big movement of like Taylor Swift getting her music back and it was this huge thing and it felt like a communal win every time she did it. But if you actually again looked at that, it was like, oh, no, it's just it's her, Like obviously.18:43Speaker 1 People are not. Everyone's going to own their masters. Yeah, and also like that's nice.18:47Speaker 2 It's like, you know, to feel good about what your favorite artist does and to feel involved in that, and I know that was a real sense of community around the Swifties. But then at the same time, yes, it always kind of felt like, oh, she'll speak on it, but only if it kind of comes back to her. But then I guess over the years she has kind of tried to, like when she spoke about politics and you know, tried to endorse like a different candidate, and she was like very aware that was like a bigger thing than her then. And I you know, obviously I know how much money she gives away and all that sorts of things, but you know, if you want to get on the weeds in it, it's kind of always felt like and that's what I hear a lot of you know, fans talk about the fact they love her music, but they wish she really stood for something.19:23Speaker 1 Outside of herself.19:25Speaker 2 But then also because of her branding and the way she kind of puts herself as this kind of like very inclusionary person, we all obviously expect more of her than other artists, particularly male artists. So it's a very weedy path. So you're kind of telling me that this was on because when I first heard of this, I only heard of it really top line, and I thought it was once again a thing of Taylor's lived coming out and like making sure that she has a win, making sure that she has her money, making sure that she's protected, and that being her first kind of priority, and then as a default, she's pulled other people in with her and she's being like overly celebrated. That's what I thought, But you're that that's not correct.20:01Speaker 3 Yeah, Look, my perspective on it is as you kind of said, there's been times like the Master's thing when she was releasing the Taylor's versions of albums. I liked it because I got new songs. Oh yeah, yeah, which I know, so fair enough selfish.20:12Speaker 1 And like fun as as fifty it was like.20:14Speaker 2 Transactional, like an artist you like is putting out content that you're willing to, like essentially buy the streaming and stuff.20:20Speaker 1 That's fair, that's just how business works.20:21Speaker 3 Yeah, But I very much saw that as like she did that because she it was personal to her.20:26Speaker 1 She wanted to own her own art.20:27Speaker 3 That's great, but it wasn't necessarily, like you said, the big moment that a lot of people built it up to be where everyone was going to benefit or everyone was going to succeed out of this. I do think though, when she did make this decision, there was a lot She actually received a lot of backlash at the time because she'd also previously like she took her music off of Apple Music in twenty fifteen. Yes, I remember that, and it was a whole big deal because Apple started doing like free trials essentially, and Taylor was like, well, how are people going to get paid if you're doing free trials? So then she took her music off temporarily, and then Apple agreed to still pay the artist despite the free trial periods, and she.21:02Speaker 1 Went back on.21:02Speaker 3 And I'd always taken her music off Spotify in twenty seventeen, like, so she'd done it a couple times in.21:07Speaker 2 Order, and I know those were framed if she was like, this doesn't make a difference to me, I'm doing this for other artists. Yeah, But was some part of it also because she's a business woman, and you don't become a billionaire without being very conscious of like keeping your money and making sure you're getting like squeezing money out of every little area that you can, like that's how you become rich. So was they also a part of her that was like I need to protect my own money, even though I don't need to at this stage, it's still money I'm losing. And then by default I will pull like I will help other artists out, which I'm sure the artists getting the money they don't care that she did it for herself and they're a byproduct.21:40Speaker 1 You'd be happy to take it.21:41Speaker 2 But it's just so interesting we always have to like she's a billionaire, and everyone still has to be like we have to protect the downtrodden kind of, you.21:49Speaker 3 Know, like yeah, yeah, And I do think at the time, like, for sure, those decisions like with Apple and Spotify in twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, definitely we're about protecting her assets and all of that. I do think the decision in twenty eighteen to sort of negotiate all of these terms with Universal because that wasn't the only agreement that they came to. But I do think that had a lot to do with the way she was feeling taken advantage of with big machine records. Yes, and yes, that is a lot to do with herself. But I do think she looked then at that point in time, this is like after she's been canceled. This is when people are hating her guts, and I do think she started to look more. It's also when she's getting to like reputation. That world tour was at the time the highest grossing tour of all time, Like it was a big deal in North America. So I do think she was at a very successful point, but also at a point where she recognized that she had a bit more power than she'd ever had before and finally got to negotiate something and look back at how she'd been treated by this independent record label and just wanted to do something that protected people. She's also had the same band her whole career. She's worked with a lot of the same production team, same songwriters, same people in her camp the entire time. And while they're really well taken care of, I think she also sees that like not a lot of people are, and she's about like when she was a songwriter back in Nashville, she would be in these like communities and people would be talking about how they got money from people buying like a Faith Hill song that they had worked on one time, and so she was like, that doesn't happen anymore. So I want songwriters to be better paid. It basically all came down to the whole songwriting element of how she sees herself rather than like the big pop stars and stuff. Did she benefit absolutely, and do people often yeah, compliment her when she does something just for herself and it ends up benefiting others.23:28Speaker 1 Absolutely.23:28Speaker 3 But I do think in this instance, like it is going to help a lot of people put food on the table and also remain in the industry a bit longer when you have deals that actually support the lower down people in music.23:40Speaker 1 And like I guess in terms of musical.23:42Speaker 3 Billionaires, I'm glad at least one of them is doing something better than other people.23:45Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.23:46Speaker 2 And that's the thing I don't like when people like, look at Taylor Sitch and has to do these extremes of like she's a superhero, she's a super villain. Like, yeah, it's a bit in the middle. It's a bit in the middle. Like do I think anyone should be a billionaire?23:56Speaker 1 No? I don't.23:57Speaker 3 But also I do think she donates a lot of mine. You see it all the time. She doesn't come out and go look I did this, Like random charities will be like, hey, she just gave us a million bucks and you're like, oh sick.24:07Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, Well, and you know the good news. I guess out of this might takeaway. She might have some sweet toy story.24:11Speaker 2 Money coming in. She might look she'll never be shy I of a dollar, Taylor Swift. But hey, maybe she'll help some people along the way. Well, we're still very much in the devil Weares prior to two weeks. The movie came out last week. We've got a special episode coming up this Friday about it. The movie, So it released this weekend. We're like number one at the box office across the world, as we thought it would be. Apparently it's going to go even further than projected with like the money it's making here the box office, because people are going to see it multiple times. And I love that and hopefully I don't know what it's going to take for studios to take notice, because it's like we have Barbie Breaks all the box office records, Wuthering Heights, love it or hate it, Women just wanted to get dressed up and go with their friends.24:48Speaker 1 Yeah, did amazingly crush the box office.24:52Speaker 2 And now the same thing, women are getting dressed up going to the movies.24:54Speaker 1 Like guys, are we seeing a pattern here? People like the movies.24:57Speaker 2 It's almost like women want to go and see women's stories at the movies.25:01Speaker 1 They can get dressed up and have a goddamn cocktail.25:04Speaker 2 Anyway, So, as we move through Devil Wears Prider Week, and I'm having a great time with everyone who's coming out and would work to share their thoughts and feelings and everything, something very interesting has happened, something historic. I would even go as far to say the real inspiration behind Emily Charlton, a character in the Devil West Prata who has been in three of the books and also now the two movies, the real woman behind her has come forward for the first time in decades. People have tried to work out who she was for years, and I'm sure people in the fashion and magazine industry knew, but she herself has never come out and said anything until now, until the movie has come out and so well received it to be said, there's a straight line there. So Leslie Freemar, who is a celebrity stylist and has been in the fashion industry for many decades, went on the Vogue podcast and talked to editorial director Chloe Mao because when Anna Wintle vacated, she wouldn't let anyone else be the editor of Vogue, said, she's the editorial director, but she is running the day to day operations at Vogue now as Anna win talk kind of move has moved into a more like overseeing role. And so she interviewed Leslie, and I know you've listened to this multiple times, right, this interview. Yeah, I couldn't get enough of it. I listened to it twice as well. It's been the thing all my group chats are talking about. And it's interesting because it wasn't supposed to be cutting in any way, but if you read between the lines.26:26Speaker 1 Oh yeah, there's some cutting lines.26:28Speaker 2 It's a bit of a savage story about Lauren Weisberger. So if anyone doesn't know, Lauren Weisberger is the author of The Devil Wears Prata and the sequel, The Devil Returns.26:37Speaker 1 And everyone keeps saying that this is the second book, but actually the.26:39Speaker 2 Third, When Life gives You Lu a Little, When Life gives You Lulu Levin's Crazy, which is Emily's story of her leaving Miranda and like getting pregnant and moving to the suburbs and like breaking up with her husband. It's nothing like the movies. Yeah you've said that. Yeah, I've not read this book. And then so here's the Lauren Weisberger that she was Anna Wintour's assistant well over many decades ago now, and she lasted about eight months in the second assistant chair, and we now know that Leslie was the first assistant at the time. So when she came on to do the podcast with Chloe, Chloe sort of says to her, like, why do you think you're the real Emily? And she's like, I don't think I know. And as she tells her story, it's interesting because Vogue was going to have a panel with past Vogue staffers that all could have been the Emily and they were going to sort of like have a discussion. And then Leslie, who doesn't really do anything like she works with celebs, and like, yes, she's Charlie's.27:33Speaker 1 There on style, Yeah, and she's style a lot of.27:35Speaker 2 Red carpet looks and things like that, but she's on a public face. And she had to sort of call Chloe and say, hey, I'm happy to come and talk and help.27:42Speaker 1 But it's going to be.27:43Speaker 2 Really clear if we all get on stage straight away that it's me.27:46Speaker 1 Yeah, that it's definitively me.27:48Speaker 2 I sat across from her, I said lines that are in the book, I know it's me, And so that idea is going to fall apart pretty quickly. And Soe said that she came on the podcast, Ye did you have a favorite reveal from Leslie? Although there was way too many, but I do think the clearest one, or like the best one to me is how she found out about the book. And also that's the clearest one that obviously, yes, the book was written about her, because even Anna Wintor knew the book was about to tell her. So can I tell the story please people who haven't listened. So obviously wide ranging podcast really really good. But in this part, she says she had moved on to be an assistant in a fashion department and then she gets a call from then Anna's new assistant to be like Anna needs to speak with you, and she was like, Anna never needs to speak with you, and also never needs to speak to an assistant. So she hustles on over there and Anna Wintour asks her who is this woman?28:38Speaker 1 Like who is this lady?28:39Speaker 3 And she's like, that was your assistant, and Anna Winter was like, I don't even know.28:43Speaker 2 Her, has no idea, Well, she has a lot of different assistants, and that she was only there for eight months, and I'm sure maybe she'd seen her.28:50Speaker 1 She would have, yeah, but she.28:51Speaker 2 Called her and she was just like, who is Lauren Weisberger? And it was so funny because Grace Cottington, who's a really famous Vogue editor who worked really closely if Anna and that team, wrote in her own book that no one could remember Lauren when brutal so focused so funny about it. She's like, none of us could picture this, and she's like, I guess Anna's assistants were always, you know, just these bobbing, faceless heads outside her office that you would talk to. But like, Leslie is really the only one who has any memory of her.29:20Speaker 1 Yeah.29:21Speaker 3 And so it's obvious enough when Anna has read this, you know, the initial draft of the book to her that the Emily character is Leslie, because she calls Leslie into her office asks her who Lauren is, and then Anna Wintour says, oh, she's written a book about us, and you come off far worse than me.29:36Speaker 2 That is the interesting thing that Leslie says in this interview, is that they received the galley, which is the very very early stages of a book where things are subject are changed, and she said, she it's so funny, Chloe. He's like, did you run outside straight away and read it. She's like, no, I had to back and do and finish my work. And I was like, life, Emily, I mean maybe because she's like, we probably had a big shoot that day.29:58Speaker 1 That was me.29:59Speaker 2 I would have run straight to some hidden corner and I would have read that book under my desk all day. She said, she waited till she got home at night. Okay, if you've got more will power than me, and she said the first iteration of the book was so mean and much more true to life, because what she's saying has happened is that Lauren took a writing class and they said write what you know, and apparently she wrote it as a memoir, and then they wanted to fictionalize it, and then the fictionalized version was really really mean to everyone who worked at Vogue Tour, to the Leslie character who became Emily, and then the editors who worked with her toned it right down to the book that went on the shelves. The Devil Wears Prada, which is interesting because that book does skew very not mean, but it's like the Miranda Priestley character.30:43Speaker 1 Have you read the book?30:44Speaker 3 No?30:44Speaker 1 Oh, okay, I wouldn't. Sorry, no, I wouldn't invite.30:48Speaker 2 If you're going to read a Lauren Weisberger book, I've got I've got a better recommendation. She read, She wrote some good books. She writes a fun book to have by the pool on holiday. I've read, Yeah, like Last Night at Chateau my Mond chasing Harry Winston. Yeah, The Devil is proud of Like the idea is good obviously because it went on to spawn this incredible thing. But the plot's a bit thin. There's no memorable one liners, Like, it's not a witty book. And also the character of Miranda Priestley is like a caricature. Yeah, all the layers that she has in the movie don't exist in the book.31:21Speaker 1 She's just a nasty woman.31:22Speaker 3 Well. I found that interesting because Leslie said she was able to watch the movie and she found the movie really enjoyable. She was like, it's really glamorous, but there's more like empathy and the people are more well rounded than we saw in that initial galley and then even in the book that got published, Like, that's crazy to me that you can know that this is about you and you see it is really mean, but then you see the on screen portrayal and like, yeah, you like Emily and you like Miranda. I don't have way more nuance than I'm guessing they have in the book.31:47Speaker 2 No, in the book, they just kind of mean girls. Like, yeah, I mean Emily and Andrea hang out a little bit more in the book, but she's still pretty mean to her. And like, yeah, the Miranda character is very kind of just like she's a nasty person. Yeah, she's just like this little talk about her being this little bird like creature, which I guess is very Anna Wintle coded who just like stalks into the office. Yeah, they make a lot of there's a lot in the book about what There's like a whole chapter devoted to what she eats, which apparently is also very Anna winto because she likes steak and potatoes and Starbucks and ice cream. And that's a huge cry in the book. So sometimes Lauren Weisberger was I think just typing out her day. But the end is very different, Like it still ends with Andrea like walking away from her, but there's no nuance with Miranda having like that breakdown scene in the hotel room, like that's to the movie with the no makeup where she kind of like drops the facade and there's no like, you know, Andrea, everyone wants to be out.32:36Speaker 1 It's like this is the sacrifice.32:37Speaker 2 It's just her screaming at her, yeah, and just screaming at her. And then it's like very anti climactic with Andy like calling the office and being like can I still get my flight home?32:46Speaker 1 They're like, no, I'm not going to leave you strand there.32:47Speaker 2 You can get your flight home, and it's just like, oh, kind of anticlimactic.32:51Speaker 1 Yeah. The end.32:52Speaker 3 I do think it's really interesting, like, oh forgot The whole thing is so interesting. But one of the parts that made me go, oh, you are Emily is that Leslie explains like the Lauren person slash Andy character, and she was like the reason that I found it like interesting in the book is like I don't remember Lauren ever being a star on the rise. Yeah, but she's pretty much like that didn't happen. And then she explains like Lauren probably thought I was a bitch because I had to do her job for her because she was and she's like she was probably just sitting around writing her book, I guess, but she pretty much is like that girl never did her job and hated it there. And so yes, I used to snap at her because she wouldn't do her job, and I was like.33:29Speaker 1 WHOA to me?33:30Speaker 2 That was the most telling moment from this revelation from the real Emily from the Devilwars Prider. And can I say I've talked to a lot of people who have listened to this interview, and a lot of people have said, like, she comes across as classic Emily. She comes across as a mean girl for saying that, And can I just say team Leslie on that one.33:46Speaker 1 I thought classic Emily in a good way.33:48Speaker 2 Yeah, they're saying she's too mean, Yeah, that she was being mean about Lauren. Everyone closed ranks against Lauren when she wrote this book, to the point where that's why the company line is like we don't know who Lauren Weisberger is.34:01Speaker 1 And the Devil Wears prior like the first.34:03Speaker 2 Premiere, the one that was in New York, apparently, you know how like they have a host camp on stage and kind of greet everyone a paving. The host was like, you know how they got round the room like this person's here, this person's here. They were like Anna Wintour is here, as is the author of the book, and no they're not sitting together.34:17Speaker 1 And everyone was like whoa because they were in the same room. But also, I have this now.34:22Speaker 2 I think that this has been scrubbed from the internet, but I swear to God I read this quote when The Devil Wears Pride. It came out, but I've gone to look for it so many times and I can't find it. So I think that it was written in a magazine and it's been destroyed. Yeah, but I swear to God that Meryl Streep in an interview, they asked what she thought of Lauren Weisberger and she was like, if I was her, I would have spent more time learning from Anna Wintour than writing a book.34:45Speaker 1 That's just me. Now.34:47Speaker 2 That is not maybe not the kind of thing Meryl Street would say, And maybe I'm paraphrasing, but I feel like she says that in an innuay you have like.34:54Speaker 3 A pretty what is you don't have like a photographic memory, but you have pretty similar.34:58Speaker 1 I have a photograph of memory for so things.35:00Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that'll help me in life. But I swear to god, I read that quotally magazine. Yeah, and some person obviously didn't upload it to the internet or it was it's been screet internet.35:11Speaker 1 But I feel like that was just the vibe.35:12Speaker 2 But yeah, I was very much on Leslie's side because she really cared about fashion. She talked about the fact that she had come from Canada and she had really had to fight her way into this job, and she was working like all that stuff you see in the movie about she was told she had to be in the office at seven point thirty.35:29Speaker 3 She moved closer to the office so she could be there on time and stay late.35:33Speaker 1 I was sleeping in.35:33Speaker 2 That office, so she had to be there at seven thirty in the morning. Yeah, with all of Anna's like books and papers, all that stuff you seen the devil was part of them. Putting him in a fan on her on her desk is all real. And then she had to wait around for the book again things we know from the movie. She had to wait around for the book till like ten o'clock at night, and so she's working these crazy hours she gets promoted to first assistant. They she hires Lauren Wiseberger, who has come from a very prestigious university and is very educated. This is sorry, I mean we know that that's a fact. She did come from a prestigious She was in the ivy leagues in America, so like super educated. And she said, from the moment Lauren got to Vogue, she was just like, I'm too good to be here, yeah, and I don't want to be here. And she had and she said she just wouldn't do her work, and so Leslie had to do all of her work for her. And that's where the resentment grew. And that's where the character of Emily from The Devil Wes Pridact came from her resentment.36:25Speaker 1 And I'm just like, if you've worked in a creative.36:26Speaker 2 Industry, everyone knows that feeling of having to do the work for someone else. Yeah, but there's no way to kind of track it a lot of the time publicly. Yeah.36:33Speaker 3 And it also reframes because she says, she's like, I absolutely told her a million girls would kill for this job, yeah, And like it reframes that to an extent too, Like she is of the opinion that Lauren's come in just to write this book and was wasting time and not doing her job, And it's like, yeah, you probably would say something.36:48Speaker 1 To that effect if you're at Vogue at.36:50Speaker 3 That point in time too, Like insane budgets all of that, So many career opportunities, which there still are with Vogue of course.36:57Speaker 1 But like the more that it's changed.36:58Speaker 3 At that point in time, that was the place to go if you wanted a career in journalism. You could get anything, and like Meryl Streeps or alleged quotes saying if you put in me with.37:08Speaker 1 The Meryl Streeps slander, will they even say? Like in podcasts?37:11Speaker 3 The first assistant before Leslie moved up went on to become the entertainment editor at Vogue it for years and years and years and is a very successful and respected journalist. Like you, Yeah, you could build a career off of being that assistant.37:24Speaker 2 I think back then that was the job one hundred girls would kill for and it probably still is. Yeah, Like I know it still is, Like Vogue still carries a lot of weight, and being an assistant is how you get into that pool. So I think that was Leslie's kind of like and we see that dynamic in the book, but we see it in a different way from Andy's perspective, which is Lauren's perspective of her just not coming into this, like what she's thinking is like a plumb job and not doing any work, but like secretly writing her book under the desk, which is the allegation that Vogue has not been able to prove. And also Leslie also said that she took a writing test for Vogue and was rejected, which is in becau. Lauren Weisberger had some writing published in Vogue recently interesting and everyone was like, look, the woman.38:04Speaker 1 Who was turned away from Vogue.38:06Speaker 2 All she had to go do was write a tell all memoir that gets turned into iconic film series and she finally got in.38:11Speaker 3 It's also kind of interesting then that like a subplot of The Devil wes Prata too, is the idea that Andy might write a tell all memoir.38:18Speaker 1 Okay, that was.38:18Speaker 2 Such a quote when I went and saw because I saw that first part of the movie before I went and did The Devil West prior of interviews, and in the theater I was seeing there was like four other journals. I went because I'm like, that was such a Lauren Weisberger burn Yeah, where they were like, what is she going to do? Go write a tell a memoir about her boss? Ha ha as if that's the worst thing you could do. And I was like, that is literally why we're all sitting here, Yeah, because someone did that. But it's kind of become like, it's interesting because Anna Wintour like could have come out of all of this looking like the villain, but she's come out looking like the hero because everyone's like, we love Miranda Priestley, we love Meryl Street, we love this movie, and by default, we love and a wind Tour for being a part of this and that's why she's lent into it. And then Lauren Weisberger has become the kind of like, obviously she's published so many books and she's doing really well, but she has kind of become the punchline when she was initially set up to be the hero, which I find so interesting. And I just find like Leslie's perspective on Anna so different from someone who was just came in with like kind of no emotion, very ambitious because she talks about the fact that Anna was like very much like no personal chat. We're all here to work, and she works like that and she's very comfortable in that setting.39:28Speaker 1 Can't relate to that, can't relate but I love that story she told where.39:33Speaker 2 So Leslie who was giving the interview, the real Emily is from Canada, and so she was being sponsored by Vogue, a biolized Clark that's a fake company by Conde, asked to work at Vogue. And she got a call one day from the Vogue human resources team to say they were no longer sponsoring anyone, so they weren't going to like do her next visa, and so she basically had to leave the country and lose her job. And she said that she was just hysterically sobbing, something she's never done before, but she was so upset and fair enough, and she said that An she didn't know Anna was going to be in the office that day. All of a sudden, Anna Wintour walks in and I don't know why this is so funny to me. She's like, Anna was clearly uncomfortable, and she just walked away. She just walked into her office. But then she waited a few minutes called her in and I love how Leslie did her. Anna Wintour's voice she said she tried to like kind of do like half a British accident.40:19Speaker 1 She was like, Leslie, why are you crying?40:21Speaker 2 Looks so angry, but also just like can't not angry, but just like so flabbergasted that someone in her office would be showing emotion. And so Leslie told her and she was like, Anna Wintle' was like, oh my god, go sit down and stop crying for God's sake.40:32Speaker 1 And then Anna Wintour just called.40:34Speaker 2 All of a sudden, this man appeared in the office who's like the head of human resources.40:38Speaker 1 And Anna Wintour is like.40:39Speaker 2 Ci, my assistant is crying, and in her head, she's like and that's the worst thing anyone could ever do.40:45Speaker 1 In front of me.40:46Speaker 2 She's like, can you please just get her a visa? Just go and sword it. And he's like, yeah, that's fine. And so she got to stay in America. And now she credits this whole huge fashion career that she's had to Anna Wintour just telling her to stop crying.40:57Speaker 3 And fair enough, It's like, yeah, I do think I thought the little insights were interesting. It's also so interesting because Chloe's the one interviewing her. Yeah, and Chloe, like everyone who is online and has seen the pair of them together in recent interviews, is intrigued by the Chloe Anna relationship and like.41:12Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know. I want to from Chloe so bad.41:15Speaker 3 Yeah, and like little things right, like Leslie was like, well, you can't ask her questions and Chloe's like yeah yeah, and then then.41:21Speaker 1 She's like I'm living that in real time. It's like real And.41:23Speaker 3 They're talking about like the book and like the little like wheel seas, which was apparently like little posters or like seams, which was little posters that Anna would put on to be like email this person, tell them to come see me.41:33Speaker 1 I don't like this bro. Little things like that.41:35Speaker 3 It was so interesting to see like Leslie talking about a career she had twenty years ago and Chloe talking about the career she has now and then both just relating to like Anna's anaysms, but also revealing that like a lot of the things don't come from Anna herself. Yeah, that was interesting. They were like, she's not the one who says you can't take bathroom breaks. It's just like something that's been passed down.41:55Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been passed down. Yeah.41:56Speaker 2 The other thing I thought was really interesting was a reveal that came right to the end, and it was the question that Chloe asked her, which was like, have you have you who plays Emily and The Devil Wears Prata? Have you ever met Emily Blunt? And the answer was yes, because of course she's a celebrity stylist, so she's in that world. And she even Leslie said she always thought about what she would say if she ever met the person who had played her on screen and turned her into this iconic character, even though no one knew that she was the real Emily. So she said she was at a dinner one night at a mutual friend's house and she was like, this is my moment. Emily Blunt's right there. We're on this, We're on even ground. I'm not coming up to an event, We're at a mutual friend's house. We're both here as equals. And then she said to her as they were chatting, I just need to let you know that I am the real Emily. And to be so fair a Leslie, I would have done the exact same thing.42:44Speaker 1 Who wouldn't You're telling Emily.42:46Speaker 2 Blunt that her most iconic role, her first big role, that blew up her career is based on you. I would have dropped that and just been like, like, she she's gonna lose her mind. And apparently Emily Blunt couldn't care less. She said oh and just like went on with the conversation. Now did she not hear her or have so many people in the fashion industry said things like that to her before trying to have an in with her? She was like, oh, or was she maybe like and maybe like alarms went up and she was like, Oh, is this woman gonna say to me at my friend's house like she didn't like my portrayal because she plays her really nasty in a funny way.43:21Speaker 1 Is she gonna like.43:22Speaker 2 Ask me, you know some sort of like inside a question? Does she know something? She worked with the woman who wrote this book and like everyone I know doesn't like that woman, like it was a lot so or does she just is Emily Blunt so cool? She just genuinely did not care.43:35Speaker 3 I feel like Emily Blunt just doesn't care. I really like it, but sometimes intrigues me.43:41Speaker 2 I can't believe that because if you met any person, like if you met the person who was the real person behind a role you played as an actor.43:49Speaker 1 Wouldn't you be interested in that? I ignore people would Yeah, I know.43:53Speaker 2 Some actors don't like to meet the person because they don't want the lines to be blur, they don't want to feel like they can't show them in their worse or they don't want to sort of like do a parody of a person. Yeah, but like that shit is sailed like she did it for the first time twenty years ago. Yeah, Devil was prior to too, wasn't filmed at the time. But also there was no inkling that Devil's product she was ever gonna happen. Yeah, I just want and I'm sure someone will ask Emily Blunt the next time she does a lot of press, and I'm so interested in her answer that. Yeah, it's almost like you feel bad for Leslie.44:22Speaker 3 Like it would have just been at least nice, Like as much as I think she people really like the Emily character and stuff she does.44:29Speaker 1 Speak about it at the.44:30Speaker 3 Time, like people in the industry all knew that it was based on her and her being really scared of how she'd be perceived or if she'd be hired again, or what would happened to her career based on this version of the history they went through together. And she also says like Lauren never called her, Lauren never gave her a heads up, like they have not spoken since, so it's not like how Andy and Emily got along in the end. That's not what has happened here. So she's kind of gone through that never outed herself, goes up to the woman who played her, thinking, oh, we can at least have a nice discussion, and she just.44:56Speaker 1 Gets like kind of ghosted. I don't know that would suck. I think Emily Blunch probably reconsider talking to her about that.45:04Speaker 3 Well.45:04Speaker 2 It's such an interesting interview, and we'll link the whole thing in our show notes.45:07Speaker 1 Because we've only sort of scratched the surface. There's a lot more in there. So good.45:10Speaker 3 Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. Don't forget to follow us on socials. We will pop all of the links in the show notes. We will be back in your feed bright and early tomorrow morning with morning Tea hosted by Ash London. The Spill is produced by Minisihaswarren, with video production by Michael King.45:24Speaker 1 Bye Bye,Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Met Gala is COMING, and a huge backlash is afoot. Plus, the Beckham family feud has hit a genuinely painful new low, and the early 2000s boyband moment we always knew we needed has arrived. ☕ Jeff Bezos paid HOW MUCH for his wife to co-chair the Met Gala?  ☕ Brooklyn Beckham stays silent on David's 51st birthday  ☕ Zayn Malik's worrying health scare signals a huge cancellation  ☕ The Devil Wears Prada 2 cast are already teasing a third film ☕ The Rock gets in trouble with the law (and it's somehow still wholesome?)  ☕ The boyband moment of or early 2000s dreams has finally arrived THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel.Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                                         You're listening to Amma mea podcast. Good Morning Angels, Happy Monday. A brand new week is upon us, and what a weekend it was. I'm Ash London and I have been trawling through the celebrity news since dawn because I love you that much. Today and the Met Gala is hours away, and there is a ten million dollar controversy you need to know about before it kicks off. The Beckham family feud has hit a painful new low. Zane Malick is unwell and has canceled the entire US tour. Now The Devil was prior to two casts have already been teasing, well kind of teasing a third film, and The Rock got pulled over by police after celebrating Emily Blunt and Stanley Tucci. Happy Monday. Let's pull the tea Tonight is the Met Gala fashions the biggest night, and before the looks start rolling in, it would appear a certain controversy is reaching boiler point. This is honorary co chairs are lead financial sponsors Jeff Bezos and his wife Lauren Sanchez, who reportedly paid at least ten million dollars to take on the role alongside Beyonce Nicole Kidman, Venus Williams, and of course and a Winter. Tickets to the event are one hundred thousand dollars each, a table three hundred and fifty thousand. Buying your way in the uprationans of fashion presseless. The backlash has been significant. Posters reading boycott the Bezos and Metgala have been plastered across New York City, with criticciting Amazon's alleged compliance with ice work in mistreatment and the optics of a billionaire buying his way into fashion's most prestigious night. New York City's mayor has already announced he will skip it entirely, and a Winter has defended the decision, of course, but we can all see what's happening here. She's no doubt mortified by the whole situation, But ten million dollars in this economy is ten million dollars. Next up, the Beckham family saga continues, and at this point, well, it was already sad, but now it's just even sadder. So Dave I'd Beckham celebrated his fifty first birthday over the weekend. Victoria, Romeo, Cruzen Harper all posted warm tributes. Brooklyn posted nothing not a word, and he also stayed silent during Victoria's birthday last month. David's post was typically gracious, writing he felt lucky and blessed and I mentioned in Brooklyn Victoria gifted him chickens for the Cotswold estate, which is the most posh spice gift imaginable and I love them for it. If you've ever wondered what to give the man that has everything, chickens is the answer. Zaan Malik has now canceled his entire US leg of the Conical tour, and the news has understandably worried fans. Zam was hospitalized on the same day that his new album dropped on April seventeen, posting a photo of himself in a hospital gown without disclosing the nature of his illness. This week, he posted I've been in home, recovering and doing well and will be better and stronger than before, before announcing twenty one US shows have been axed, UK and Mexico dates remain for now. This comes on top of the counciled Netflix documentary with Lee Tomlinson and a genuinely turbulent few weeks. Whatever is going on healthwise, we hope he feels better soon when we return The Devil Wets prior of two carts have dropped hints about a third film. The Rock had a very embarrassing run in with the Law and the early two thousands boy band duet that we never knew but absolutely knew we needed has arrived. Welcome back to morning tea. Now. The film has only been incigmes three days and has already made two hundred and thirty four million dollars globally, and Meryl Streep and Hathaway and Emily Blunt have already been asked about what it would take to make a third Devil Wears prior film. Streep said, immediately the script. Blunt agreed, a good script. It's all about the script, and then Anne Hathaway added, everyone has to say yes. It's got to be the core four, three of them plus Stanley Tucci and Merril added one final condition. They have to be alive. I refuse to believe that Meryl Streep is seventy six. She will never die, she will live forever. Amen. 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It's the Netflix comedy from Mindy Kaling starring Kate Hudson that is equal parts glossy, chaotic, and completely addictive. Yep, we’re diving headfirst into Running Point Season 2!It’s a sports show, a family mess, a workplace comedy, and a rom-com experiment all at once — and somehow we’re still fully invested. We unpack why Isla Gordon is such a compelling disaster of a lead, why Season 2 pushes her even further into chaos, and why we can’t decide if we want to be her or run from her.We get into the love triangle that keeps collapsing under its own “perfect vs passion” logic, why Lev stops feeling so perfect this season, and how Coach Jay suddenly becomes a lot more interesting than expected. Plus, the friendship storyline that quietly becomes the emotional centre of the entire season, Cam’s slow villain energy, and the cameos that feel like Mindy Kaling collecting icons for fun.And then there’s that finale — the betrayal, the twist, and the very obvious setup for Season 3 chaos.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. 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Welcome to This Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 00:05Speaker 2 I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm and Benham and welcome to a. 00:08Speaker 1 Very special episode of This Spill. We have been just hanging out to do this since we heard that this show was being made on Netflix, So welcome to our brutally honest review of Running Points Season two. I love this show, me too. 00:24Speaker 2 I love this show so much. 00:25Speaker 3 We talked about it, I think for a week in watch and a bit when the show started in season one when they had season one, but we never did a brially honest review in season one. 00:33Speaker 1 No, I know we didn't mind, Mae, because we did three episodes leading up. Well. 00:36Speaker 3 I think there was also a lot of content happening around the same time, and also not a lot of people were talking about it. I remember we were like, are we the only ones watching this? Because we really wanted to do a brilliant review and we thought not enough people were watching it to be interested in really interview. And then when Netflix put out their numbers for that year and Running Point was so high on the list of being like one of their most watch shows, we were like, oh, we have to do it. 00:59Speaker 2 For season two. 01:00Speaker 1 Yes, and so season two debuted about a week ago and ever since then it's been number one on Netflix in Australia for multiple, multiple days. So we know you crazy kids are watching it because you listen to us. 01:10Speaker 2 Make your last week. 01:11Speaker 1 Yeahs all these running points, super fans, No, I mean I feel like it sells itself. I mean it's a comedy starring Kate Hudson created by Mindy Kaling. Like the show sells itself. 01:20Speaker 2 It's like literally the perfect Vendi. 01:22Speaker 1 Yeah. So that was our initial attraction to the show. Well, when I heard Kate Hudson doing like a proper TV show for the first time comedy, I was in obviously the Mindy Kaling of it all, but also that it was so many of the creative team like Ike Baron Holtz, who co created the show with Mindy Kaling. It was so many of the same creative team from one of our joint favorite TV shows of all time, The MINDI Project. The Mind Guys, if you haven't watched The Mindy Project yet after all these years, what are you doing? 01:53Speaker 3 I even think And this might be an unpopular opinion that like the funniest funniest parts in running point, the show barely even touches the surface of how funny Mindy Project is, But you can so tell which jokes Mindy and Ike have written compared to the other writers on the show, because it's so like, specifically that really smart, quick sense of humor that they had on the Mindy Project. And it's so interesting because I'm looking at Kate's character in this show, she plays Isla Gordon, and I'm like, your character would have fitted perfectly within the Mindy Kayling universe in the Mindy Project. 02:27Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. 02:28Speaker 2 That's the thing. 02:29Speaker 1 Running point is very much I guess, like almost like the Little Sister of the MINDI Project, Like it's it's fun, but it's not. And I say this myself, who as a little sister's it's like great and fun, but just not quite. 02:41Speaker 2 As good as the original. I my younger sister to put it. As an oldest girl, I love that. 02:49Speaker 1 Well. The thing is, I'm not trying to diminish it, but the thing is, like, in my humble opinion, nothing else that Mindy Kaling has come close to being as perfect and hilarious as the MINDI Project. But that's not saying how the work is an incredible. It's like the MINDI project is like lightning at a bottle, Like you can't recreate it, you can't move it over to other projects. It's just like that bar is like in the Heaven. 03:11Speaker 3 It's like perfect humor, perfect storyline, perfect cast. 03:15Speaker 1 But it doesn't mean her other TV shows aren't great. It's like that's a special thing all of itself. So in season one, we were introduced to the Gordon family and the character of Isla Gordon, who was played by Kate Hudson, who's based on a real woman who took over Do you not know that? 03:28Speaker 3 I feel like I kind of I think you told me in season one and I had the same reaction. 03:33Speaker 1 Like what, I actually love this that I can tell you the same facts like multiple times and you'll give me a great reaction each time. 03:40Speaker 3 Because I think the first time you told me, I was like, oh, yeah, she's based on the Murdoch family, like Terry Boys. 03:46Speaker 1 Well, yeah, based on a woman who took over a family NBA team and like rows up the ranks to be like a really high like player in the National Basketball League in America, But a lot of it is fictionalized in terms of like all the party of girls stuff, brother going to jail, little legitimate child, like, all that stuff is just like a Mindy Kaling oh creation. So in season when we introduced to Aila Gordon, who I loved. She's like a messed up party girl heiress who was always just kind of on the outs of this extreme family business of owning this LA basketball team. And when her oldest brother Cam played by Justin Threw, and Justin Throw he loves a quirky role. Yeah, he's so good at them, just like he did the same thing in Devils prior to He's done the same thing so many times of the year. 04:30Speaker 2 But he has such like a serious demeanor. 04:33Speaker 1 Yeah, he looks so serious. He looks like a brooding heart. 04:36Speaker 2 He's really serious and scary. 04:37Speaker 1 And inside is just a little quirky character actor just waiting to get out. So he went to rehab and there was all this terrible stuff. 04:44Speaker 2 So that's not Justin Throw his character. Yeah, although maybe his method I don't know. 04:48Speaker 1 I don't know what he does in his spare time, probably running point method for imagine. 04:53Speaker 2 Telling the police. 04:54Speaker 1 I just I'm in this Many Kaling show. I started to my character, He's like, you guys, get it right, like absolutely not, You're going to jail. So we saw Eila take over the family business and have to kind of like prove herself to her brothers and also the basketball team. 05:09Speaker 2 And at the same time, she was. 05:11Speaker 1 In a relationship with lev played by Max Greenfield, who I love and adore so much. 05:16Speaker 3 His character is so similar to his character and your girl. 05:20Speaker 1 Oh really, I think opposite? 05:22Speaker 2 No way, How are they? How are they similar? 05:25Speaker 1 Because both love green juice. Okay, you're just that's literally every white man in LA. 05:31Speaker 3 They're both they're both obsessed with their partner, like he's obsessed. 05:34Speaker 1 With her, Yeah, but in a different way like he he Schmidt because if you haven't seen you girl, also, if you haven't seen you girl, also what are you doing? 05:41Speaker 2 So many recommendations? 05:42Speaker 1 That is also a top top tier comedy. Here's character of Schmidt on that is just one of those breakout stars from like one of those ensemble comedies that is like such a kind of like an individual thing that can't be recreated. Whereas Levins, like he does have that same kind of lovable energy. I guess that Schmidt does. But I think that's just Screenfield in general, because and hiss like a little smile. Again, that's just Max Greenfield's face, because whatever, Schmid's so like neurotic. 06:09Speaker 2 Yeah, but I feel like, you know, I'm gonna stick to my guy. Okay, you similar like. 06:14Speaker 3 I when I was watching him in Running Point, I'm like, I couldn't take Schmid out of my head. Maybe that's just because he is that character. 06:21Speaker 1 Yeah, well he does kind of create that character. 06:24Speaker 3 And like when you watch New Girl, it's hard to like separate them both. Yeah, but I do think he was perfectly cast for this role. 06:31Speaker 1 Well, the thing is, they wanted her love interest to kind of like again be a bit out of like this like every other all the other men in the show, like a bit douchey but also really power, like hungry with secrets and stuff. And Lev is meant to be sort of like this outside world of like an opposites of track, like iile agorded as this rich, kind of messed up woman who is also like a big theme of also season two was like she's a bad person, which is, you know, the whole kind of like thing that we see her go through, and Lev was kind of like this all too good to be true, nice doctor who cares about his family and cares about her and gives her second chances and like makes her coffee in the morning, and it's just always there in the background. And that's a very common rom com trope, which indicating loves to take a rom com troop and like put it in the show, but then like play off it in a bigger storyline because it's his idea of like, this is the perfect guy, but I'm not in love with him, as we find out in this season, and I can't force on paper he's perfect, but there's no like fire, yeah, which. 07:28Speaker 3 We kind of saw towards the end of season one where she kisses Jay like coach j Coach also very hot and attractive, but it was one of those storylines where you weren't like overtly rooting for them because Lev is such a good guy as well, yeah, and you like love them both so much, so it was very much like up to I guess her discretion on what she would do, and the audience would just like back whatever decision she made. And then I think that's where like season one ended, was her kissing Jay after Jay announcid he's moving to Boston and leaving the team, as well as us finding out that Justin Thurrow's character Cam is not as good as he seems. 08:10Speaker 1 Yes, because you thought at the in season one that he had, even though he'd done some bad things, that he had picked Eyelight to take over the family business because he really believed believe her. He was giving her a chance. It's only because he thought she would fail huge plot twists. In fact, Mindy Kayling said recently that they put a huge amount of cliffhangers at the end of season one of Running Point, because she's like, You've got to do that on a Netflix show. You've got to fill the last episode with cliffhangers so that the people at Netflix are forced to go, oh, okay, we'll do a second season then. And I was like, Mindy Kelling, just so you know, that only works for you. Yeah, when you have a TV show starring Kate Hudson. Do you know how many shows Netflix cancels famously, things like. 08:50Speaker 2 The Society mind Hunters. Yeah, exactly. They ruined people's lives. 08:55Speaker 1 They don't care if there's a plot twist at the end, they will cancel that shit. Even if either you end on the biggest plot twist ever and everyone's like oh again, like a society, they'll just be like cut sorry, it's good. Sorry. Sometimes Mindy Kelly doesn't know her privilege. 09:09Speaker 2 Oh my god, she's. 09:10Speaker 1 Out there being like me, playing a fun little game Netflix this little thing. 09:15Speaker 2 Yeah. 09:15Speaker 1 So again, that's why they ended season two on a plot twist that we'll get to because is like it's probably gonna get picked up, but it's at the time of recording, it's not official, but Mindy Kellings knows what she's doing. 09:26Speaker 2 It has to be a picked up. It will be. It has to be. 09:29Speaker 1 You don't cancel Kate Hudson's show. Ah, so we pick up in season two. 09:35Speaker 3 Yeah, we pick up in season two with Cam having been out of rehab and surprising the family. He's back in their office and he's like sitting in the islids like now, I guess his old office and that has made her own, and he asks for his job back now because she CEO. She's like, are you okay with working under me? 09:55Speaker 1 And he's huge when you're the big brother and like the patriarch of the family. 09:59Speaker 2 Exactly, and he was like yes, yes, yes, And then her other brothers are so excited to have him back. 10:05Speaker 3 And the beginning, we just see like Cam trying to merge himself with the family while also the audience know that he's not there on good terms for himself, Like we know he has like this underlining message he wants to like delivered to them, and we're trying. 10:17Speaker 2 To figure out what his play is. Yeah. 10:19Speaker 1 Yeah. 10:19Speaker 3 At the same time anyway, as that's happening, we also are with Eiler while she tries to find a new coach for their team, which is actually so funny, Like I found all the interview processes I did for the coaches were so funny. Ray Romano, Yeah kill that role. 10:39Speaker 1 I know, so good and so funny the way he because he was talking about getting the role when you're very Romano like he's just so humble, but also he knows his worth. He's like, my people told me that Mindy Kayling you want to be for a role, and I was like, yeah, I know him, Mindy Kaling, she's funny, I'll do it. And then he's it's so funny because he's also like I guess people just think he's just a bit of a comedy kind of person, but he's also like white an actory actor. Yeah, he's like, no, no, but normally I have to because apparently they're like, oh great, we're shooting next week. So he got the call and they booked him and they're like, oh great, so be on set next week. And he was like, wait, an actor needs time to prepare. He's like I usually like because I give myself a backstory and I think about it and I do research and. 11:15Speaker 2 All this topic. 11:16Speaker 1 I was like, oh my god, Ray Romano preparing for his roles is like someone make a documentary about that. 11:21Speaker 2 It's so bad. 11:22Speaker 3 And then like Ike Barnhost is probably like, this is a Mindy Kaling show. 11:25Speaker 2 You don't need to be doing. 11:26Speaker 1 So apparently he started researching like famous NBA coaches. And it's even weird that even I know this name, Greg Popovich, who was the San Antonio Spur, like a famous coach. 11:36Speaker 2 I don't know this. 11:37Speaker 1 Why don't it must have been it must have been referenced in like movies or something. Probably I didn't know what team he was and I've just heard that name. Maybe it's one of those names because he How many famous coaches are they? I'm sure in America heaps, but how many famous coaches names get used in TV? 11:50Speaker 2 Shows and movies. 11:51Speaker 1 That's true, so he modeled himself off him. Oh and that's a fun fact for the sports fans. And I just will clarify that's the last fun sports factor. 11:58Speaker 2 Okay, no sports fact. I had my mind and I just used it. I loved his character. 12:03Speaker 3 I love that his character had the potential to be so serious, but then the other characters pull him out of it. Like there's so many points where he tries to bring up his late wife who passed away, and all the other characters is like, we. 12:16Speaker 2 Don't have to. They're like, yeah, for your wife, caresn for your wife. Let's go. 12:21Speaker 1 I know. It's so funny because the thing is he does sentimental so well. So he has all those like when he comes in for his meeting, like he has all these like kind of bumbling moments. But then when you see like, yeah, he tells a story about his late wife, but then also knowing that he left his playbook behind. And I love the thing between him and Marcus where AILA's like you have to make him feel like your main girl. Raymond is like, I know his name's not Raymond over, you don't He's like, yeah, I get it. 12:45Speaker 2 I get it. 12:45Speaker 3 Like Marcus, You're my main girl, and Marcus is like, who's like the star player, He's like okay. 12:50Speaker 1 Gets thrown off the court to look after him. So yeah, there's a lot of kind of movement in the team and in the business as they kind of start putting the new team together, getting a coach, and also looking towards the playoffs. Yeah, sports jargon. 13:02Speaker 3 The best thing about Mindy Kaling shows and Running Point does this so well is like there's always a female lead, Like all her shows have a female lead, and that female lead has at least five problems happening at the same time exactly. So you're seeing like this really beautiful, put together woman just have these like frantic moments of all of these things happening in her life. Like she's having to deal with a new coach, she's a sponsorship with the team, her love life is in perils, she has to plan a wedding, best friend Ali is trying to join a different team. 13:32Speaker 1 Yeah, so she's got all of these. 13:33Speaker 3 Things happening and they're all snowballing into each other exactly, and like it's only specific type of person can do those roles, which is why I'm so glad Kate Hudson is like the main character of that role because I feel like all the leading women in Mindy Kaling's projects have been the best at that type of person. 13:49Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Mindy Hellings. 13:51Speaker 2 It's such a specific thing. 13:52Speaker 1 I can't even describe a Mindy Kayalen leading lady, but I would say fashionably dressed, yeah, running somewhere, dropping things, spilling a coffee and having a hand. 14:00Speaker 2 It's a man treat. 14:00Speaker 1 Her badly but also be in love with her. That's because Mindy Kaling is like, she is a die hard romantic comedy fan. She's watched every romantic comedy, study them, she used to watch them over and over again as a kid, and she just wanted to live in one so badly that she created the Mindi Project, which is just a TV series that's one big, long romantic comedy set in New York. But the twist is the character would never be in a traditional rom com because she's an awful person and famously rom com women are like in a lot of the old school rom coms are just like they're clutch in sweet, but sometimes a little bit bland and sometimes not quite like they're Yeah, they never do the wrong thing because rom COM's taught us like you have to kind of be a bit perfect and like the man will eventually realize he's actually in love with you plot. 14:46Speaker 3 Twist and it's a really cute and like mousey yeah, and like her co worker is like calling her big l. 14:54Speaker 2 She's like, I'm not big, al I'm a tiny age and they're like, yeah, you are big. I'm wasting away. 15:00Speaker 1 And that's the thing about the MINDI character and the MINDI project is like she's so unlikable and that's why she made her a doctor because she's like, oh, this woman's gotta have unlikeable in the best way possible. 15:10Speaker 2 We love her. 15:11Speaker 1 It's just like a traditional Romcom lady wouldn't be pulling the stunt set. Actually Lindy pulls in that show. And so she made her a doctor because she's like, oh my god, this one's gotta have one like kind of redeeming thing about her. Even if sometimes she's like, oh you do have insurance, she's like, oh, you're gonna do it tonight and lost at home. 15:31Speaker 2 Watch. 15:32Speaker 1 So she's not the doctor you'd call, but I guess if she was there, she would. 15:35Speaker 2 Yeah. 15:36Speaker 1 So I like characters kind of meant to be that, And I love that she does have this redemption where she does decide to try and be a better person, but she's still a bit of a shitty person all the way through. And I love that about her because if she had this complete personality change, it wouldn't work. 15:51Speaker 3 It wouldn't work, and it also just wouldn't be good content. Like you want to kind of like have this like push and pull against the main character where it's like a very clever way of writing a main character where everything about them you hate, but you're rooting for them so hard. 16:06Speaker 1 Yeah, And I'm always rooting Foriler, except every time she says I'm a bad person, I'm like, yeah, girl, yeah, but not a bad person, just a bad person. And just like when they show them montage of her doing bad things like stealing a sandwich or stopping a chair and stuff, and they're just like, yeah, that's weird. 16:20Speaker 2 Love that I've never changed. 16:22Speaker 1 The biggest sign to me they were trying this season to kind of paint her as someone who used to be a bad person is trying to get better is the fact that they point out that before she met Ali, she never had a female friend is like you just know as a girl, that's the worst thing you can say to another girl. It's like you're not a girl's girl. Women don't like you. And usually in a movie and TV show, that's the biggest red flag for a character like that would be the villain, not the main character. 16:47Speaker 2 That's so true, and they really showcase that with It makes you think about season one. 16:52Speaker 3 You're like, oh, yeah, I guess she's like so successful in this world because you would see I guess quote unquote past shots of her like bringing her friends into the basketball stadium and stuff, but you never really see the friends. 17:04Speaker 2 Yeah. You always just see her hanging out. 17:06Speaker 3 In the locker rooms with the players and like her dad and her brothers and stuff like that. But you like don't hear about her mum or any other women in her life besides Allie, who's honestly, Brenda's song is like amazing in this it was only because they had to live together in Uni, so like their friendship was kind of forced upon each other. Yeah, but then like Alie literally becomes her person. 17:29Speaker 1 Yeah, And I do love that because it's also saying like, yeah, this is that woman that you get warned about that. And again, we know so many of those women who hang out with their family or their partner and that's it. Yeah, and they're kind of stuck in that world because and that's the interesting thing about the Gordon family in this is they are that very specific family that everyone knows a family like this where they're kind of all terrible and they hate each other, but they just don't have anyone else. Yeah, so they have to Gordon family, always coming back together and having each other's backs, like, oh, it's us or nothing. 17:57Speaker 2 Yeah, that's so true and I love that. 17:59Speaker 1 And yeah, again, Eiler is that very specific character where she's just like, girls don't like me, and yeah, we sometimes see her with a group of friends, but it's very specifically that thing of like party friends. 18:08Speaker 2 Yeah, like you can like a rich people friends. 18:10Speaker 1 Rich people friends where you know, like Isla Gordon's got the bottle service, she's got the table, she's gonna like you can take her car there, you know what I mean. Like she's those people like I'm sure half those girls don't even have her number and she doesn't know their names. They're just like her party girlfriends that latched onto her when she was like young in. 18:26Speaker 3 Her ghost clubs, which is why I like the friendship episode with Alie started off so strong with showing their backstory of how they became friends, and then we find out that Ali has been asking for a promotion. Firstly, asking for a promotion from your best friend must be like insane. 18:41Speaker 1 Yeah, when your best friend becomes your boss, which is something that happens in workplaces because you bond and become friends with the people. 18:47Speaker 2 Especially for the only two women working in that workplace. 18:50Speaker 1 And she has become like part of the family to an extent, and you can see that in the way like Ness and Cam to an extent, but he's a bit evil. But like how like Kness and Sandy have a back and forth with her, Like it's very brother sister. Yeah, like they're so mean to her, but they're only mean to her because they kind of treat her like Isler and they call her out and stuff. 19:07Speaker 2 It's very brotherly. 19:08Speaker 3 Also equals, right, Yeah, it was like her and Ali aren't exactly equals when it comes to that like hierarchy of power, which is why when Alie said that she's going to Canada, Yeah, she's going to Canada because she got a new opportunity that has more money, and like Ila's team could not pay her the same amount, and Eila just couldn't like work out why she was leaving, and she was like, you're leaving because you hate me, and al He's like, if you're a good friend, you'd congratulate me. 19:36Speaker 2 Yeah, And it just shows that, like how she's. 19:38Speaker 3 Just been living in that world a privilege for so long. Yeah, that like I think it was the first time that Eyler realized that Alie is not on her level. 19:46Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And also because it was so interesting how their like flashback scenes of them as college roommates set up their dynamic of the fact that Allie was the first person who didn't give a crap that she was Isla Gordon or Isla Gordon, and she's like, hey, Islam who didn't kind of give a crap that she was this rich, like party girl, that she came from a well known family and just well she didn't like her at first, which is in the chasing there was a classic like you know, opposite and then they watched slowly become friends that scene where they're crying together watching a movie and it and they're like he can't see without these glasses, and it flashes to my girl is so good, especially because Macaulay Culkin wanted a bigger part this season and he only got for anyone who doesn't know, I'm sure people do, but Macaulay Culkin is Brenda Song's partner and they have two children together and madly, madly in love. 20:40Speaker 3 And they're also both massive basketball fans, every single and she's. 20:45Speaker 2 A bigger fan than him. 20:46Speaker 1 Do you know that once in the Lakers game she had to be hospitalized because she was watching the game and she became so like fraught watching it, and then she took a sip of water and they scored, and then she was like, oh my god, you have like sports people are very superstitious, and they're like, if I won this day, I've got to wear the same underwear or drive the same way to work, or like put the same stick on or whatever it is. And she was like, oh my god, every time they should have just so she was hyperventilating and taking a sip of water to help them score, to the point where she like nearly stopped breathing and had to go to the emergency room. 21:12Speaker 2 Brenda song Man just just a girl, just a girl who loves it. 21:15Speaker 3 Was so funny when I was watching the like part of the promo for this season. Yeah, Kate Hudson and Brenda Song had to go to a few NBA games and sit like in the like celebrity see, like on the court and like Brenda songs like jumping up and down and like. 21:29Speaker 2 Yelling at the players and pointing, and you can hear Kate Hudson just sitting next to her and she's just like, you're crazy. Yeah, she was like, I didn't sign up at this level of promo. 21:38Speaker 1 And so when they went to that movie and crying, it's cute because that's Brenda Song's partner or pot we culked, and he gets a few little cameos in, but like he was gunning. Apparently he was gunning for a big partner, like we'll see you next season. So that's cute. So yes, so we see there's this whole story about like a headhunter's in town. Yes, this headhunter who's going to come and take the team away. 21:56Speaker 2 Did you recognize him? 21:57Speaker 1 I did, reckon absolutely, I really jumped off my chair because guys, he's from the MINDI Project. He's so in the fans. So the actor's name is Tommy Dewey and he plays Magnus in Running Points. So he's from the Toronto Trappers. I'm sure if that's a real team, and do you know what, I don't think it is, and I decided not to look it up because I didn't. 22:18Speaker 2 Want to ruin the magic yea. 22:20Speaker 1 And so he's called the Poacher, So he was, And there's just that was actually quite a good plot twist because they're like, they thought he was coming to take a player from their team, and then he wasn't. And so it cuts to the Gordon siblings and they're like, but if it wasn't for that, why was he here? And then it cuts to him offering her this job? 22:36Speaker 3 And isn't it so funny that that was his exact character in The MINDI Project. 22:40Speaker 2 He like managed an NBA team and he would be at all these parties. 22:44Speaker 1 No Mindy Kayling knows what she's doing. So yeah, he played Josh in The MINDI Project and he was one of Mindy Kayling's many love interests. But he had a couple of seasons up, yeah, and then he left when his girlfriend showed up, played by Ellie Kemper, who is Mindy Kaling's very good friend and a coast on the off and he was dating the Tools at the same time, and they have this massive fight, remember when she has to handcuff Midy Kelly handcuffs Ellie Kemper. But I always remember him from one of the very best scenes ever in the MINDI Project, where she goes, oh, after they've like woken up together. She goes, Oh, let me throw on your shirt. 23:18Speaker 2 It'll be so over I was talking about. She's like, oh, let me throw on your shirt. 23:25Speaker 1 It'll be so oversized on me because I'm so dainty to be so sexy. She puts on like fits perfectly, but just a little snug. Then he's like, what happened to my jeans? He puts on her jeans and again they fit. 23:38Speaker 2 And he was like, oh they fit me, and she starts screaming. 23:40Speaker 1 She's like it was so it's the funniest thing ever. And it's because like in your head, you're just like I'm living in a rom com in the rear. It's just like, absolutely not. 23:51Speaker 2 I love that. Let me put this on to be so dainty. 23:54Speaker 1 And so that's his whole character, is that he offers Allie this job that she can't turn down, and that causes that huge falling out between Ali and Isla. And it's the worst falling out of the show because, as we know, like falling up the family member, fine ya, falling up the love interest encouraged fully out of your best friend, especially when you've aready got one. 24:13Speaker 3 Oh heart breaking, heartbreaking, And they really pushed that storyline because I'm just gonna say it. 24:20Speaker 2 Alie was in Toronto for way too long. What she's there for one episode? No, it felt way too okay, Like she fully. I was like, oh my god, Isla, stop her at the door, stop her? Oh okay, and then she's like fully in a different country. She had to go. Actually, they made it so dark. 24:34Speaker 3 There's dark and gloomy and blue, and the poacher only cared about what Isla thought of her leaving. 24:41Speaker 2 Did Eila crime, She's scream. 24:44Speaker 1 So I thought it needed more of a build up than which they would just I thought the whole Gordon in my head, this is the note I had in my head. The whole Gordon family would just fall apart without her not realizing that she was the lynch pin or not holding the entire company together, because I do think that's true, and also holding the family together, and all these boys who are mean to her and had taken her for granted would also go with Island to apologize to her. That was my fantasy, which happened, But it was enough when Ilan went. It was enough when Island and they had their friendship moment and She's. 25:13Speaker 2 Like, how did you get in here? 25:15Speaker 1 It's no small planes. 25:16Speaker 2 Did you fly commercial? 25:18Speaker 1 You're like, yeah, that is the whip put in near the bathroom. That is the world we're dealing with. And at the same time as all that's happening, Cam is slowly but surely being the super villain of the season. 25:30Speaker 3 Oh I love him though, justin Thrower, he's so funny in this. So we find out that Cam is trying to take back his place as CEO, and he's doing it through like very discreete insidious ways where he's slowly trying to make decisions on behalf of Isler. Like firstly he tried to hire his own coach and was just saying, this is what we're doing now, and Isla was like, no, we're not doing that. And then he tried to get his own sponsor on and Isla was like. 25:57Speaker 1 No, which his own sponsor our fly? Can I give him a shout out? 26:01Speaker 2 Yeah? 26:01Speaker 1 Because do you know who that is? Yes, that is one of my favorite actors of all time. 26:04Speaker 2 That is Ken Marino. Where he's your favorite actor just in so many. 26:08Speaker 1 Things, so funny, so funny. So he plays a really iconic role in for Roddi Kamas. He's the rival private investigator to Rodi Kammas and her dad. 26:18Speaker 2 Just so funny. That's just so weird. Yeah, a lot of the times. So he's always like kind of like and again he's just he always plays like a goofy bad guy. 26:25Speaker 1 He plays like he always plays like the worst person who's also secretly hilarious. So when I saw him pop up, I was like, well, dog mindy Kayley. And he was also in that like iconic series like Party Down. 26:34Speaker 2 Yeah, he's just in Brooklyn, My night. 26:36Speaker 1 Yeah he's been You look for a really good comedy show and he's in it. He's like one of those comedy actors who just like everyone calls him to be in their show. So when he rocked up, I'm like, now we're going Now this is a show. 26:48Speaker 2 Now this is. 26:48Speaker 3 Happening when he rocked up too, because he sponsors the company on behalf of toilets. 26:54Speaker 1 Yeah, so he owns a toilet company. No, No, he's a he's I guess he does all the in the stadium. He owns like a toilet company that installs. Yeah, that owns all the pipes and toilets and stuff like that. So and he's a season ticket holder. 27:08Speaker 2 Yeah. And he's obsessed with the team. 27:10Speaker 1 And so he donates money to them and stuff. 27:12Speaker 3 And he keeps wanting more and more and more, and they're like, no, no, no, you can't sit courtside that You're not a celebrity, you're just a billionmaire. 27:20Speaker 1 And then he becomes like a co conspirator with Kim. 27:23Speaker 3 He does, and they become buddy buddy. At the same time, Eiler is trying to get their existing sponsor to stay on, so they have. 27:32Speaker 2 A family basketball playoff. 27:35Speaker 1 Okay, I freaking loved this. 27:38Speaker 2 Oliver Hudson. 27:41Speaker 1 No, that's so because it was because there wasn't inter you with Kate Hudson. They were saying, like, oh, Ali should have been in there because she's practically family, and Kate Hudson's like, no, I know, but like the rule was so clearly that they had to be family, and she's like to the point where we got my real life family in there. So that is her brother Oliver Hudson and I weirdly know so much about their sibling dynamic because they have a siblings podcast. 28:02Speaker 2 They do have a podcast. You listen to it, No, because it's wild. 28:06Speaker 1 I don't think Hate's been on it for a really long time because she's booked and busy now. 28:09Speaker 2 But there was a great he's just soloing it. 28:12Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes he solos. He did a really good episode with Blake Lively sister where they're justalking about a siblings are more famous than us? 28:18Speaker 2 Oh, I mean I like that younger brother Wyatt. 28:21Speaker 1 No, because why it's also working. 28:24Speaker 2 You know what he's working on What Monarch? Your favorite show? 28:30Speaker 1 So they have to have this family basketball thing because they have to have a thing over the rent of a stadium to this other basketball family. 28:37Speaker 2 No, it's a hockey fan. 28:39Speaker 1 Sorry, please forgive me. 28:41Speaker 3 It's a hockey family who are like wanting to invest in that who in that space. So they're like rivaling and they had like this weird bet going on. What's funny is that Oliver husband's playing for the other family. 28:52Speaker 1 Yeah, because he's playing a different thing. 28:53Speaker 2 Which is so funny because then they bring in Barrett Hole. 28:56Speaker 1 Oh my god, can we talk me that for a second. So again, finally I've been waiting for him to get on my screen. Yeah, exactly, because he was on the MINDI Project with Mindy Kley and they have a great professional relationship together where they create together and he is the co creator, co writer all the things of writing point and they had been talking for a while about if they would co star, if they would like make a cameo, would they act on it, because up until then they were like no, no, no, we're just behind the scenes. And then I said he started to get really kind of just being like, oh, I want to be on the screen. 29:27Speaker 2 I want to be in the because he wants to. 29:28Speaker 1 Be like famous, cause he's already famous and he's like in the studio and stuff. But he more SOO was getting jealous of the actors because they're think such a good time. Than he found out the actors had a text chain that was just for the actors, and every time he saw the message on it, he was like, I want to get in on that, and so in his mind he was like, what if I played the coach of a rival basketball team and I had a love affair with Kate Hudson, And what about that dynamic? It's a will they won't they? And Mindy Kaling said, yeah, or you play their cousin and you're the. 29:58Speaker 2 Dumbest person in the world. And so that is he plays. 30:03Speaker 1 Their cousin, and he's just so creepy and wonderful. He plays his exact character as Morgan, but with a slight he's like, he said, from his point of view, he was playing it like this cousin character has sexual tension with his cousin Aila. So he's like, just in his head, just so gross. And he said, there's a scene where his character, I can't even think of his name. I just think of him as like his Eyke Baron in this Cousin Ike. And there's a scene where he comes over to massage Kate Hudson's shoulders, and he wanted to make her freaked out every time because she's meant to be repulsed by it, which is like fair enough, she's meant to repulse by it, And so every time he did it, he would dip his hands in like a little bit of warm water, so when he went over, his hands were warm and wet. 30:46Speaker 2 And that's why I'm in And. 30:47Speaker 1 The first time she did it, she went ah, And that's the take. That's why she looks so freaked out. 30:51Speaker 2 That's so funny, but you can malage you mention it. I have like on the. 30:55Speaker 3 Basketball in that basketball scene where like he's like dying on the ground and he's like, I help me up, but she just walks me. 31:02Speaker 2 So gross. 31:02Speaker 1 Also, can we talk about, sorry, I'm not feeling the sexual tension between her and the coach of the one she ends up with. Can I tell you who she had wild sexual tension with? Is Scott's Speedman? 31:13Speaker 2 Yeah? 31:14Speaker 1 The actor Scott Speedman. I mean not what the actor. The actor is Scott Speedsman, but he plays the head of the rival family that they and their sexual tension so horeririble. I love Mindy Kelling so much because he's a real nineties early two thousand's heart throm and that's exactly when she would have been in her like, I don't I've seen him before, really, Scott Speedman a little show called Felicity. 31:39Speaker 2 I haven't watched it. 31:41Speaker 1 What I know underworld movies, other things, he's been what's okay, Wow, that was so her fe. 31:47Speaker 2 I've seen him in Running Point. 31:48Speaker 1 I think he's on Greasy Anatomy right now playing meritiths love interest right now. Yeah, right now, he's just going between shows being a love interest, because that's what Scott Speedman does. He's the ultimate love interest. He comes on the screen and everyone like, that's who you fall in love with. He does actually play a bad boy like this. 32:03Speaker 3 Though, that is quite likely and it's not just a bad boy, but he's like I don't know, like when that scene where like her car has a flat tire, Yeah, and then he starts like flirting with her a bit to get butterflies. 32:16Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the thing. They have such good sexual chemistry and sometimes you just can't will that into existence there it's not So I want him to come on next season when season three inevitably happens, and be the love interest for her, because now we've got tension, now we've got stakes. And also I can read Mindy Kayaling like a book, mostly because I wrote all her books multiple times, and I know that she loves will they won't they enemies to love the story. 32:43Speaker 2 Her whole MINDI project was all will they won't they? 32:45Speaker 1 Yeah? Because the MINDI Oh my god, you know how the other day I said to you, Bridget Jones is based on pride and prejudice. Yes, do you know that the MINDI Project is also based on pride? I know that, Thank gosh, Oh my god, embarrassing. I'm like your mind you just pass away. If anyone's listened to that an episode or seeing that video that went quite via, Oh my god, Emily loses her mind because she didn't know that Bridgittan's Diary was based on briden Bridge. 33:11Speaker 2 Go look at the video on our Instagram page. You can fight with everyriend in the comments. 33:14Speaker 1 Everyone who's like opened the schools. So I loved that, and like all the cameos this year was so good. The other cameo I loved before we move on to the downfall of Eiler in Love, which is the next moment after this, The other cameo I loved and again and Mindy Kelly and I are the same. 33:28Speaker 2 Person is Nicole Richie. Oh my god, yes, I forgot I was in there. 33:33Speaker 1 Nicole Richie is such an elusive being. 33:35Speaker 2 She's really good in it. 33:37Speaker 1 No, she's good. She If anybody who doesn't know the I mean, you know who Nicole Richie is. 33:41Speaker 2 If you don't, it's hard to. 33:42Speaker 1 Explain unless you were there, unless you're a teen girl or a young woman in the early two thousands, it's hard to explain the power of Nicole Richie because for a long time there she was the ultimate girl, the ultimate taste maker. And unfortunately it did happen after she lost a huge amount of weight and also committed a few crimes. Yeah, drug beast, and then went to court, went to jail all those things. Was one of those jail you know, like for a while that like Chloe Kardashi and Lindsay Low and Nicole Richie all in jailed. 34:15Speaker 3 Like me, and they all had like these dark gray underbags, but like smiling and. 34:19Speaker 1 They take their mugshots. So she went through a lot of shit. She went through a lot of shit, which she's been opened about. But then she became this glamorous fashion it girl, and she was in the whole like Rachel Zoe co hole. She was. Yeah, she was a zobot and dressed in a very specific way, but everything about her she wasn't a manufactured it girl, like she was the old cool it girl. Like everyone got a rosary beat. I mean, not me, but if my mum would let me, I would have. She has a rosary beat around her and cool tattooed falling down to her foot. Coolest thing ever she wore, like all the headbands that she used to tie on her hair. I used to do that and I used to also, and I lived in Townsville, so what was I doing. I used to lay in necklaces like herd okay leggings and the like kind of like lacy singlet tops and the massive handbags. 35:05Speaker 2 And it was such a moment. 35:07Speaker 1 And even when she had her kids and she named her daughter like Harlow Winter Kate Madden, and I was like, why is that the coolest baby name? Now she goes by Kate, which I actually find disrespectful. 35:18Speaker 2 Kate, Yeah, that's so many other names. 35:20Speaker 1 And then girl, I'm like, imagine being called Harlow Winter Kate and being like going to school and being like call me Kate. 35:26Speaker 2 I would say, no offense. My sister's name is Kate. I just like that. 35:29Speaker 1 I remember when that name Everyone's like, that is the coolest name. I've ever heard, and now she has like the jewelry brand, the fashion business and stuff because people just still want to look like Nicole Richie to this day. And I was never sure if she was a good actress. But then she did a guest in on the show he was obsessed with called Chuck, where she played like this evil got that she only like for oneiso. Okay, she played the evil high school nemesis of the lead girl, and she was so funny and good on it, so I feel like, but she doesn't do anything like that anymore. So the fact that she came in did a cameo for Running Point was so good and again played a nemesis one episode. 36:00Speaker 2 Oyah, she's so good. 36:02Speaker 1 And that I was like, Mindy Kayling, I just again, I get you. Mindy Tayling's like I want the heartthrow I grew up with and the cool girl I grew up with in my show. 36:09Speaker 2 Yes, that's so true. Okay, moving on to the. 36:15Speaker 1 The ill fated wedding of Eiler and Love. Did you think they were going to get married? I thought I had seen obviously there's stills of her trying on the wedding dress, so I thought we were actually getting a wedding. 36:26Speaker 2 Well, the wedding was such like a subplot. 36:29Speaker 3 Yeah, I feel like this whole season her romantic life was a subplot, Like it wasn't the biggest thing that was going on. If it was happening in season one, I feel like there would have been more tension with. 36:38Speaker 1 A wedding happened. 36:39Speaker 3 Yeah, But I didn't really feel the tension of will it won't it at all, Like I completely forgot it was happening until we get to the night before the wedding, which I loved. I love when the brothers got up on stage and did their Scottish Dad. 36:51Speaker 2 It was so good. It was so good. 36:53Speaker 3 And also I think seeing the four of them up there reaffirmed the idea to the audience that it is crazy that she is CEO of the company. 37:01Speaker 1 Yeah, and there's like four guys who are working for her exactly exactly, but it was so well done. 37:07Speaker 3 And then in the at the end where she like opens the ring and sees the ring that Coach Jay had given her for like the for winning and that was like the catalyst of her breaking up with Lev. And that is when Lev says you are a bad person. I know, which is the worst and you can ever say to a significant other. 37:30Speaker 1 And the thing is, I think we'd had this character thread with her. It's like she had done bad things in her past. Sometimes she did bad things now, but she had this guy that was so good and he loved her, so by extension, she too must be good. And I think she was really hanging on to that, and that's why she was pushing forward the wedding and everything. And also there's so many jokes. They don't say how old she is, but Kate Hudson is late forties, and so the character you've got to think his late thirties or early forties. You know what that means in a rom coom in life at any time, but especially in her realm, they're like, girl, get married, what's wrong with you? 38:04Speaker 2 And so she's also got. 38:05Speaker 1 This thing of is like she's like, I need to marry this man because he's good and he's so different to all the terrible men I'm surrounded with my family, like love them, but like her brother's open and her dad. 38:13Speaker 2 Was an awful person, and her mum. 38:15Speaker 1 By all accounts like, but she's like, I'm marrying this good guy, so I'm different to you, and I'm finally doing the right thing after being a washed up party girl for so many years, that I'm finally doing the right thing by getting married and letting all of that go was like a huge character arc for her, and a much bigger character art than getting married, I think, because it was her letting go of everything that made her good and right and having to just be like, and I'm just gonna be this new person I am who tries to do the right thing but still steals the sandwich. 38:42Speaker 2 Oh yeah, yeah. 38:43Speaker 3 And you can tell, like in that breakup that they're having where I was like meant to be a conversation. He when he says I think you might be a bad person, he knows, like that's the worst thing he could say he could say to her, because he's known like forever. She just wanted to prove that she was a good person, and like he knew that would be like the final thing and then he blocked her on. 39:03Speaker 1 Into which again, the worst thing you can do is you can do and say this. But I understand again I'm saying from a storytelling point of view, because Minny Kaylene, like she knows in her head she's got that third season, and just for the rom com premise to work around this basketball show, she needs to be single so that she can have the back and forth with the coach, so she can hopefully have the back and forth with Scott Speedman and she can you know, having her like happily married doesn't fit with where this story needs to go. So then we get into the final act, which is cam Like showing his hand that he's also back on drugs and using Jackie for his urine. 39:35Speaker 2 Jackie, he says that whole thing. 39:37Speaker 1 So we obviously we got not as much Jackie this season. We had the whole subplot with the dancers. I like that, which she was like, I'm like, I'm sorry, is this a Dallas cheerleaders documentary? 39:46Speaker 2 I don't know where they got that? 39:47Speaker 3 Plus and also so fair, And then we got to see Kate hasn't dance. 39:51Speaker 1 Yeah, so so funny about that because she said that was the scene that she was the most nervous about, was dancing with the cheerleaders. And she's a trained dancer because she's all saw a trained see I don't know if you've seen her dance in nine Glee, you've seen a dance in Glee. 40:04Speaker 2 I her dancing in Glee. Oh my god, go after this, straight after this. I remember her and Glee. What I remember Gwyneed Paltrow and Glee. Yeah, okay. 40:13Speaker 1 So in Glee, Kate Hudson played Cassandra July. And when Rachel Barry, Lee Michelle's character moves to New York, she's her teacher. But they have they hate each other at first of her back and forth and at one point they have a dance and song off to all that jazz from Chicago, and it's actually the greatest scene ever. You need to watch it because they're having a dance battle. 40:32Speaker 2 It's so good. 40:33Speaker 1 Okay, And Kate Hudson's a trained dancer and singer, but she hadn't danced for a really, really long time. She's professionally singing now for the first time ever. She was too scared to do it before her forties. She's so good. Kate Hudson can start becoming a singer in her forties. I know she's Kate Hudson, but I think we can just all do whatever we want. 40:50Speaker 2 We can all do whatever. That's what I'm taking away from her. Whatever age. 40:53Speaker 1 So they showed her the dance so Kate Hutson said, she got to set, they had the dances, they did the dance and she's like, oh, that looks kind of hard, but yeah, I can do it. When are we shooting? And they're like, oh, tomorrow. So she learned that whole dance in twenty four hours. The girl can dance. 41:07Speaker 2 Yeah, she is talented. So I love that. 41:10Speaker 1 So Jackie's other main storyline, apart from the fact that his girlfriend was like leading a Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders coup over fair pay and fair working conditions, that part where they're like getting dressed in the alley and stuff was so funny is that he also was pulled into Cam's web of lies and having to give him urinec heare. 41:29Speaker 2 And like jump out a window so we want to get caught. 41:32Speaker 1 My funniest line of the season came after that when Ness who is such a good character and this is not even a funny line, but it made me laugh out loud, where they're like, oh, he jumped out of the window because he was looking at a bird, and he's we've got to get those windows speaks. He's like, yeah, we love birds, but we love brothers more. 41:48Speaker 2 Like you're so stupid. His lines are so funny, he's his only funny lines. 41:52Speaker 1 It's just so so good. And then we find out what Cam's been planning, that he's going to overthrow the company, and it's such a kind of great moment when Ali and I like kind of band together to overthrow him and get their own like sponsors and get everything sorted and that ness and Sandy and I also love Standy this season. I thought I wanted him to have this big romantic story arc and I'm sorry his lover left him to be on Lisa in a another great cameo. 42:15Speaker 2 He has shown like, oh he's so cute. I do love Sandy. 42:21Speaker 1 I know, I love I love because his whole thing is like, I'm not that type of gay, because it would be the whole thing for a show to have that like very stereotypical flamboyant gay character. And I love that they've just like he's just got this full accountant yeah, and he's just like kind of this like gruff businessman who just happens to also be gay. But I also love the idea of out of the whole family because sometimes they sort of treat him as like, oh, you're the stoic one, you're this, you're that, like you're the serious one. I really wanted him to be the only one that had this beautiful romance and it didn't really work out maybe a season, but. 42:52Speaker 2 The whole family was going through the season. 42:54Speaker 1 The whole family really went through the ring up and then the part where Ness and Sandy choose to stand by Isil or not I thought was the ultimate kind of like build up moment for this season. 43:03Speaker 3 Yeah, and then like took away from like season one where it was like Bro's band together, Yeah, where like she actually proved her worth and they really found newfound respect for her, not just as like a younger sister, but just as like a business partner. 43:17Speaker 2 Yeah. 43:17Speaker 3 I was so nervous in this season, like Mindy Kayling would do that trick where she's just like not boys will be boys, Like these are the worst men ever. 43:25Speaker 2 We just have to live with that. 43:26Speaker 3 And I'm glad they came around because I don't think I could have dealt with another like annoying brother sister things. 43:32Speaker 1 Yeah, we need to see a little bit of growth from the season one finale to this season two finale. 43:35Speaker 2 I think we got that. 43:36Speaker 1 So where do you think season three is gonna go after that. 43:40Speaker 3 Oh the cliffhanger for the last episode. Also, I have to talk about when Jay and Isla were making out on the couch and I walked in. 43:48Speaker 2 And took form, like I thought we were gonna go Skinny Saunery. 43:53Speaker 1 Yeah, He's like, we go ski to be like yeah here. 43:58Speaker 3 So it ends after they win the playoffs against Boston, which. 44:02Speaker 1 Was so good because that's why you watch a sports show, Like I didn't care about actual sports, but it's so hooked to like life and death, human emotion, triumph over adversity, all those things. 44:10Speaker 2 So good. 44:11Speaker 3 It was like down to like the last second and they scored and one and that was like Jay's team, and you can see him getting kind of like giving her like a weird look and then storming off and then they just partied really hard. 44:24Speaker 2 They all woke up so drunk. 44:26Speaker 3 The next morning in Eli's house, Jackie comes running in and turn on the TV and it's this big press conference where it's announced that Cam and Al are starting their own LA basketball team to rival the Waves. 44:41Speaker 2 And their head coach is j Yeah, that's crazy, the ultimate brother lover. 44:47Speaker 1 Betraying me and I have like wearble their romans. They're like Romeo and Juliet now that they're on proper like rival team. So yeah, so season three it. 44:56Speaker 2 Just ends with going motherfucker. 44:58Speaker 1 Yeah, so good. She's so angry and hate Hudson does angry so well. So yes, humps for season three. I think it'll be really fun. Indy Kelly will get her way. She's like, take that plot twist, Netflix, Oh my god, and Mindy get on screen. 45:11Speaker 2 Please. 45:12Speaker 1 Yeah. 45:13Speaker 2 I beg you, I beg you. No, she's got an idea. 45:16Speaker 1 She's gonna play ix side piece because she's like, what's worse than playing like the worst t emn ever? Playing the side piece of the worst funny. 45:25Speaker 2 I love them together. 45:26Speaker 1 She's joking, but I'm also like, don't toy with me, make that happen. 45:29Speaker 2 No, I would love that. I want them to have their own storyline. Yeah, do a spit please. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 45:38Speaker 3 Do not forget. 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This weekend, we’ve got one movie Em couldn’t finish… and one we’ve been counting down to for years.First, a chilling new thriller set frighteningly close to home, where a solo wilderness trip turns into a full-blown nightmare. Think high-stakes survival, a relentless predator, and the kind of tension that will have you questioning every outdoor plan you’ve ever made.Then, the sequel that’s been decades in the making has finally arrived — and yes, we have thoughts. From long-awaited reunions and career shake-ups to shocking betrayals and emotional moments that genuinely land, we break down what works, what doesn’t, and whether it lives up to the legacy.Test your knowledge with our Devil Wears Prada quiz here and let us know how you go!  Remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. 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Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brandy and I'm Vernon, and welcome to Weekend Weekend, where we talk about the best new TV shows and movies that have just dropped this week. Although this week we have two movie recommendations for you to Buzzy movie recommendation. 00:31Speaker 2 Sorry, we need to correct that we have a movie and a half recommendation. 00:34Speaker 1 Okay, I'm already off you for just saying that. A half recommendation Emily Treesman and what do you. 00:41Speaker 2 Mean, guys? I tried really hard. So the movie I'm recommending is called Apex. Yes, it is on Netflix and it stars Charlie Theron and Taron Egerton. This movie is a horror suspense movie in the wilderness. It is so scary. I've only watched half of it. 01:03Speaker 1 Are you serious? 01:04Speaker 2 It's so scared. 01:05Speaker 1 It's okay, But also I just want people to take that with a grade of salt, because you're a scared cat. 01:09Speaker 2 I'm like, you're easily scared, easily scared, but this one just reached a whole new level. 01:15Speaker 1 I don't know what it is. 01:16Speaker 2 Maybe it's a type of horror that I am scared of, which I've only just established from watching this movie. Anyway, I'll let you know what the movie is about. 01:24Speaker 1 Please do so. 01:25Speaker 2 Charlie's Theron plays. This happens in the first few minutes of the film, so I feel like I can say, ye say it. She's like an adrenaline junkie. Yeah, she's like loves rock climbing. She's like one of those dar devil kind of people. And both her and her partner are in the like early early stages of the movie, so this is not a spoiler. They're climbing up this mountain and he falls to his death. 01:46Speaker 1 Okay, just so you know, every climbing adventure movie starts like that. 01:50Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sets up her as a person. 01:53Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly every movie I've watched about people being like dare devil junkies climbing blah blah blah. Yeah, like for that movie where they're it's on top of the tower and there has to climb up death at the start. Also, yeah, every every kind of climber, you have to. 02:05Speaker 2 Figure out the main character's purpose. 02:07Speaker 1 Yeah, you need to know the steaks straight away. Because all of a sudden, you're just like, this is so dangerous, people are gonna diet. It makes you And also, can I say nothing is more terrifying than watching on screen someone accidentally fall to their death because you can feel it. I don't find it like a like a like my hands. And it's the type of the it's the type of horror that I can't get around. Yeah, it is so scary because it's so rare. You're so worried that one day you might And you famously don't love the outdoors. You don't love activities, You don't love anything that would put you at a great height. 02:35Speaker 2 Why why hate nature? 02:36Speaker 1 Yeah no, why not famously hate nature? Hate adventures? So why do you think you'd find yourself in the situation that you would be climbing a great like mountain or something. 02:45Speaker 2 I'll tell you why, because this movie is set in the blue mountains. 02:48Speaker 1 Yeah, it's way to Also, if she was doing it with her partner, you're like, of course that's gonna happen to you. If you go on a date with someone that let's go climb a mountain, You're like, okay. 02:58Speaker 2 God, you'll never catch me with someone like that. 03:01Speaker 1 Oh see, I think it'd be a fun day. 03:02Speaker 2 I can immediately suss out on dating apps who the adrenaline junkies are in the men that I match with, and it's an immediate I can't shite past s, white past I can't do it. I can't do it. I am not an adventurous woman. 03:14Speaker 1 So this is set in the Blue Mountains, right, And can I just say, we're only just getting over Australia's like pr problem of the whole Wolf Creek situation where for years people were just like because obviously that's about that's based on a true story of a man in the outback who hunted and killed backpackers and those movies and the TV show are so gruesome. 03:32Speaker 2 Well I think they learned from that. So it's not actually like mentioned that it is the Blue mass if they made up like some fictional like national park. But it was very it's very clearly the Blue Mountains, and we all know that they filmed in the Blue Mountains. 03:45Speaker 1 People know it's in Australia. 03:46Speaker 2 Yes, it's very because Taron Egerton has a very Bogan accent and it's a very well done Bogen action. 03:53Speaker 1 We we love a stereotype when it hits. 03:55Speaker 2 Yes, it is, that's what it works so good, to the point where I was like, I forgot he was Australian. Then I was like, but he's not. He's very British. It's very British man anyway. So yeah, Charlie's husband dies. She now goes traveling to Australia to do this like long long nature walk. It's giving Wild, Yeah, it's giving cake. 04:16Speaker 1 It's giving Reese with a spoon, like trudging along a long. 04:19Speaker 2 Path with a backpack, except a man is hunting her. 04:22Speaker 1 Yeah, and you know what, Wild could have used that infusion of a bit of drama. 04:26Speaker 2 It's like, let's hurry it up, let's speed it on, walk faster Reese. So it's basically about Charlie. He's like going through the Blue Mountains while being hunted by a man, hence Apex. It is so scary because it's so real. 04:41Speaker 1 Oh okay, it just feels real, Yeah, because the fantasy element or anything like that to it, Like it's just an evil man doing evil thing, and it's all about. 04:50Speaker 2 Like women like exploring on their own and how are reminded that we can't do that? 04:54Speaker 1 Oh okay, well yeah, exactly that's everyone's biggest fear when they go out on these things. It's like, again, I love that. 04:59Speaker 2 I can't even walk to me corner shop at nine pm because you're so scared. This movie has blindlessly the spirit. 05:04Speaker 1 A woman is literally out in nature by herself, doing dangerous things, and the most dangerous thing is still a miss, it's still a man. Well that you should have just got a bear in there and called it a day. 05:14Speaker 2 The bear would have actually helped her movie Cocaine bear. That would have been a great bed to have. Anyway, It's so scary, but it's so good. And the filming of the actual like scenes of like the walkthrough of the bush and like her in the river and like getting like thrown over in the kayak is like so like so scary. It's so so well done. It doesn't feel any like it's a proper film. It's not like anything cgi at all. It's just done really well. Her acting is amazing. His acting is amazing. We already would have known that. But it's just one of those movies if you are like an adrenaline junkie or you love like that kind of like suspense horror of like will he catch her. Won't he catch her? 05:54Speaker 1 Then? 05:54Speaker 2 This is like the kind of movie for you. You're on the edge of your seat. You're like sweating through the whole thing. 05:58Speaker 1 And how shary, isn't it? Because she's a good action stuff. 06:01Speaker 2 She is so good. She comes across like the good thing about her being in this film is that it's not I feel like if it was a different actress, that could have gone the way of like the poor woman can't get away, Like she's so small and fragile, she can't escape this. She comes across as like a badass in this film, Like it's not like Damsel in distress. It's very much like you can do it, you can make it out like she's so strong. I think that's also the premise of the film. And in that beginning scene, you know she is like well experienced in this world. So it's nothing like, oh my god, I don't know what to do. I don't know how to fire a gun, I don't know what to do. It's like very much like she can do this, she can do this. We're backing her. She's gonna win, okay. Taron Egerton so scary. 06:40Speaker 1 So scary. That's complicated for you because you love. 06:44Speaker 2 Him, she's so and he's like been in an Australia bondai watching the paparazzi photos, pretending it's. 06:50Speaker 1 Filming or horror. Okay, so apex on Netflix. Someone please watch the movie and then tell scaredy Cat Emily the ending. 06:58Speaker 2 Oh my god, yes, and tell me where if you can. I'm not wearing the Blue Mountains. I did the filming. I don't want to go there. 07:02Speaker 1 Don't you want to go there and take a picture. 07:04Speaker 2 I don't want to avoid that. They at all casts. 07:07Speaker 1 Okay. I can't believe this day has finally come. The build up to this for years. But also I feel like I have been living this movie the last month or so, at least because I traveled overseas into the cast. I've written multiple articles about it, We've released multiple videos and podcasts. And what will I do with my life? 07:28Speaker 2 It is that true? What? What are your plans? I don't know. 07:30Speaker 1 There's just darkness. There's just dark. 07:32Speaker 2 Take up a hobby, maybe go go bushwalking in the Blue Mountains. 07:35Speaker 1 I call you. I'm like, okay, I tried to be Telly's throw and I'm hanging from a mountain. What do I do of course, I'm talking about the fact that the devil weares prior to to is finally in cinemas. 07:48Speaker 2 You are here to help us through our current scandal, but I did not hire you, and all I need to do is my time until you've failed what you check the train do. 07:59Speaker 1 I'm going to make something of this job. You could write a book, The Definitive Miranda Priestley Expose Sindy. We did that. 08:08Speaker 2 The Brunello Cucinelli pants. Love those, and you definitely need an embroidered two piece to tam set, but not the terra cotta. Because you're so pale. 08:20Speaker 1 So. 08:22Speaker 2 Jealous that you watch it, I have such fomo. If you've listened to our episode where we talked about your interviews, I said I was saving to watch it with my mum, which I'm doing this Sunday. It's only a few days away. I was so jealous because you and a lot of the team got to watch it. You went to the Sydney premiere for it. Was it on the Tuesday, Yes, it was on the Tuesdays. 08:44Speaker 1 It was the very fans. 08:45Speaker 2 This has been a very long week for me space It's. 08:47Speaker 1 Been a lot. Yes, it was very fancy premiere at the State Theater. It was all done with the iconic red Devil Wears shoe. The champagne was flowing. They had like Devil Wears prior to like customized coke can give back some. 08:59Speaker 2 Of you didn't bring me back? 09:00Speaker 1 Oh my god, actually said, I didn't break myself back. But actually I'm why. I'm really sad that you're there. Just as a quick note is that you know how normally at the State Theater to line up, you line up along the street and it's chaos. And this time I was like, oh, there's no line, this is great. No, the line was down a back alleyway, so every person moved there and I saw like really famous people, like people have had huge TV shows overseas, like Australian influences, like Australian actorssh stars. No, I didn't see Practice Brummel here, who's obviously in the movie. No, No, I'm assuming that they didn't make him. We had to go all line up at an alleyway and at one point you're standing next to bins and barbed wire, and I was like, our jobs are so bad. 09:38Speaker 2 As Miranda would have won it. 09:39Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, I have everyone being like this is us at the Devil was problem. No, it was so fun to see in a cinema because obviously, despite the fact that I interviewed the cast, I've written about it and done all these podcasts, I hadn't actually seen the full movie until that night because it was kept under lock and key. So now that I've seen the full thing. 09:55Speaker 2 I'm like, God, do you think I love it? Did you love it? 09:58Speaker 1 I liked it so and that's really high praise love. No, no, no, I loved I loved parts of it. I'm not even exaggerating, Like, here's the thing about the Devil weares prior too so so much to say. So it does pick up twenty years after the original, and again this is this is spoiler free because Emily hasn't seen it. I wouldn't do that to you, so don't you guys worry. So obviously we find Andy Sack. She's back in New York. She looks at the fact that she's been living overseas for many years and she's fulfilled her dream of becoming a serious journalist. But then that job gets ripped away from her and I won't say why, but it's very upsetting and sad. And also can I just say PSA to anyone who works in the media industry, This movie is very sober. You're like, oh, I should find another job just in something, but I have no other skills. 10:43Speaker 2 This is the one thing. 10:44Speaker 1 What do I do? So there's that. And at the same time, Miranda is still at Runway Magazine where she is the editor in chief, but she's up for a really big promotion. But the promotion yeah to like with a lives Clark, which is the publishing house, Like still be at Runway, but be like a drive kind of like how Adam Wintaur is now like still the Bosses, but now the overseeral of all the Conde Nast kind of products and things. But then a huge scandal breaks and Miranda and Runway face cancelation and also what will become of her promotion? Yeah, so the states could not be higher. Nigel, obviously played by the incredible Stanley Tucci, is still at Runway Magazine, still the fashion editor, but because of the way media has gone, now his fashion empire, I think I wrote in my review his fashion closet is now a cutlery draw, as in, like not a physical culturally draw, but like the size and the end and stuff. And at the same time, Emily Blunt's character Emily Charleston, is an executive at Deal. But there's a whole backstory there that I shan't get into, so there's a bit of a twist of fate to get it at what I give too much away that Andy ends up back at Runway Magazine as the head of the features department, and then it's this kind of thing of like her having to prove herself to Miranda, save the magazine, save people's careers. And then a lot of the movie also takes place in Italy. Oh yeah, okay, and those things are right switch like Emily, Yeah, They're like, hey, let's do our last season somewhere else. So I will say the best things about it. The original screenwriter, Aleene Broch McKenna, who wrote the first Devil west prit Of movie, is back and out of any movie where it's important to have the original screenwriter, the Devil Wes Prior, I would say is the one that matters the most because the dialogue is such a huroow piece of like the quotable lines, every line exactly, it's like every there's no it's all, it's just so snappy, so smart, so interesting, and so she's penned the sequel script and you can so tell it's exactly the same kind of humor. It's so cutting and interesting and you have these great one liners, so we love that. Of course, the cast are amazing, like watching them step back into these roles, and it's done a way where it doesn't feel jarring and it doesn't feel like you know, sometimes you step back into watching something and it just feels weird, like a lot of people said that with the Gilmore Girls Reboo, that it felt off with the pacing and how they spoke and the delivery and staff, whereas this feels correct. And also it starts so strong like the Devil we is Prota too, Like they jump straight back into the kind of the mix of the drama and you have the four main characters of Emily Blunt, Stanley Tucci, Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway on screen together very quickly, which was actually a request I found out from Emily Blunt when she read the original script of saying like I don't think we have enough scenes with the core four, and we need one earlier on and that and it doesn't feel like fan service. It just really works and puts you into this world. 13:30Speaker 2 So do we have a lot of montages? You know? I love a montage, really a montage. 13:35Speaker 1 That's the thing. That's the thing. It's not as bring back montages, I know, I bring back makeovers. 13:40Speaker 2 So there's no, there's not and has always the best on montage, no, I know. 13:43Speaker 1 But also because she they explain why she still looks really good and she has nice clothes, like there's a plot point for that. She does get to go into the fashion closet a few times with Stanley tucciin and he pulls or a few things and stuff like that. But I will just say from my untrained fashion eye that the fashion this movie is nowhere near as good as the first. And I give it a little bit of grace because I've been watching the first one for twenty years, so those outfits are burnt into my brain. But I have such a vivid memory of watching The Devil Wes Prita, and every time like a new outfit would come on, you'd be like yeah, yeah, and me going home. And I was like working as a checkout chicken at Kmart in Townsville and I'd like try and like dress like The Devil Wears Pride of characters and it just. 14:20Speaker 2 Like so many movies have taken that, like yeah, montage of the fashion, like coming out of the car door, but then going in the building in a different outfit, and then going into a room and they're in a different outfit, and being at your desk and she's in a different outfit. 14:33Speaker 1 Oh okay, Okay, look, there's great clothes in there, but the clothes don't feel like this incredible character like they did in the first Mate. Okay, I will say, just going back to the good things because I'll get to the bad stuff in a minute. It doesn't feel like a sequel that shouldn't exist, Like it feels like there was more storyless deserve. It feels really deserved, not just because it's so good, but also because The Devil Wears Pritor. When I was really thinking about when I was sitting at my computer writing my review very late last night in this office, I was like, what is it that made this movie so ripe? For the fact that you could make a sequel, despite the fact that it's so beloved, because it's heaps of beloved movies that have released sequels that have not been good and that felt not correct and not needed. But The Devil wes Prator is one of the very few movies that ends on both an ending and a beginning because it ends with Andy leaving going off to forge her career. It ends where Emily is also starting her career. So it kind of it's very natural to wonder what came next because we're seeing the beginning of these women's careers, not the ending. And also Andy was like, she was kind of you getting back together with Nate, but she also was breaking out with him, So it's not like because to make a sequel in general, you often have to break things from the original. You have to break up a happily ever after, you have to end a friendship, you have to bring back a villain to make it work. It's like where people are upset about and just like that with Sex and the City because in order to bring Sex and the City back, they had to break all the things from the finale, and that's why people found it jarring. Whereas Devil we was pritor. It's just like you didn't have to break mething. 16:01Speaker 2 It was very much to be continued. 16:03Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, and so that's why it feels like it the story is worth it. But also the story and the plot I thought was so great at the end. It has like I would feel like Shakespearean level twists and betrayal. Like a few times I was a gasping. I was like, and she said that, Oh my god, she says, someone says such. We'll talk about this when we do a brially honest review, which mystery. There's a few lines in there. I'm like, that is the meanest thing that anyone has ever said on film, but so but so like needed. There's some really emotional moments in it too, and the emotion didn't feel like, oh, we're just piggybacking off the original like they felt earned in the new movie. So that's all the good stuff. Ten out of ten love recommend see it in the cinema if you can. It kind of peetered a bit in the middle, and I began to get this like kind of sinking feeling in my stomach that The Devil was product had ruined the character of Miranda Priestley, because I felt like it had taken away some of her mystique and some of her the things that made her an iconic character by some times making her look really helpless or making her like giddy and happy. There's the point where she's like in the kitchen of her home, like just like making a drink and like she's chatting away to Andy, and I was like, I feel like I'm watching a female she doesn't do that, but Jed it makes sense later on the movie. It's like in the first movie, how they had to have that scene of her with no makeup where Andy comes upon her. 17:19Speaker 2 You had was that a scene that Meryl Street requested? 17:22Speaker 1 Yeah, they wanted to take it out of the first movie, and she was like, if you don't have that scene of her broken and different, then the movie doesn't work and the charactersn't work. And as I watched this movie, I was like, Oh, we needed those giddy, helpless scenes in the middle. She needed to kind of falter so that when she started flying get at the end, you were like, oh, I get it, I get it. There was that, And also the other thing is like the new character is so great, like somewhere in Ashley Turn Out of Ten, Caleb Haron, Turn Out of Tan, like everyone else so good. There was obviously so much that was shot that had to be cut, Like we've heard about all the cameos and scenes. 17:54Speaker 2 God and ashually wasn't cut. 17:55Speaker 1 Yeah, no, no, she was. Well, I think she'd have a lot more scenes, but obviously they didn't all make it into the movie. Even Meryl Strip told me in our interview that her scenes were cut. 18:02Speaker 2 Yeah, that's right. 18:03Speaker 1 But where I think having so much of the storyline needing to be cut was with Patrick Bramble's character Peter. And he's very charming in it, but it's such a small storyline in the movie, and. 18:16Speaker 2 So he's meant to be like ane Haeway's love and. 18:18Speaker 1 She's only love interest. Yeah, and there's a lot of paparazzi photos of them that came out because he's so hot, really, he's hot, and there's a lot of they became like iconic paparazzi photos of him and Anne Hathaway filming outside in New York and they look so crazy in love and it looked like an old school romance, and we were like like an old school room calm, and everyone's like, oh my god, can't wait to see that. That's one in the movie. Yeah, I just want you to be he's he's in it. He's definitely he's a character, Like he's fine. He hasn't been like he's not he's not Sidney Sweeney, Like he didn't get chopped. Yeah, cameo. But it did feel like that storyline wasn't given enough room to breathe. And I understand why because there was so much plot happening, and you want the plot to be with the four main characters, but then to meet for a little uneven at the end when he and like Anne Hathaway's character were having their big moment, I'm like, you guys are acting off these scenes. You've already shot your head, like. 19:12Speaker 2 They haven't had enough moments to have a big moment. 19:14Speaker 1 Yeah, Like, you guys are acting in the way that your characters spend so much time together, but we as the audience haven't seen that, so we're on the back foot with it a little bit. 19:23Speaker 2 And you don't even know him. 19:25Speaker 1 I was like, wait, is that strange man? But yeah, So that's my only note so on that, I would just say, release the director's cut. I would watch a four hour version of this movie, so easily avenge this. Yeah, bring back director's cuts where we get to see the full thing. So obviously more to say next week when we do a b really honest review and you've seen it, I can't wait to hear what you think. 19:45Speaker 2 I don't wait to watch you with my mum. I just rewatched the original. 19:48Speaker 1 Oh and yeah, per person, So The Devil was prot Of too is out in cinemas now, and stay tuned for. 19:57Speaker 2 If you love the Devil's product. I mean, I've just rewatch the original film. If you're on that same bandwagon and you feel like you know everything about it, we actually have a little gift for you. We have developed a Devil west Prada quiz to test your knowledge on the original film. If you want to give it a go. It is a little bit hard, but I felt like I made it through. I think I got like eighty six percent. 20:18Speaker 1 You thought it was okay? 20:20Speaker 2 Bye, Sorry Devil west Prada. I got of course you did. Anyone gets that you let me more than Emily or an LB. If you want to find out, we'll put a link to the quiz in our show notes. 20:31Speaker 1 We should do a quiz out you got. 20:32Speaker 2 Laura, thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Spill. Don't forget We'll be back this afternoon with a very special Brudleons review about a TV show that both of us are currently obsessed with. The Spill is produced by Minitius Warren with video production by Michael Kaine. 20:50Speaker 1 Bye Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigal people of the Orination. We pay our respects to their elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                                                   From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and I'm nam And on the show today. The new Michael Jackson movie has been dominating the box office, but reviews are very split between critics and fans, and you and I have some very strong thoughts out this that we're going to bring to the podcast, so strap in for that. Plus, Taylor sit has given a very lengthy interview to The New York Times, which is always interesting because one that girl does not need to do interviews. She's doing the most right now she always So we're going to go through the biggest reveals from the interview and what the headlines are saying, because there's lots to unpacked there. But first, I want to tell you about a new movie trailer that came out just late last night. I do believe when I was scrolling in bed ooh yeah. 00:49Speaker 2 Sexy, Like is it like a movie you think I'd enjoy? 00:52Speaker 1 I think you and I will be front and center at the cinema when this comes out, because we love a rom com. This is a new rom com and it's what I've been asking for. It's rom com with like super talented Academy Award winning leads in the movie. Wow, but there's I just want to just the premise kind of made me stop for a second because I hadn't heard about this movie until I saw the trailer, and then I thought, hmm, so the premise is, and tell me if you're into this, the premise is, what if the movie The Purge was a rom com? Do you know what the Purge is? Have you seen The Purge and all the Purge sequels? 01:29Speaker 2 Not the sequels? 01:30Speaker 1 Yeah, stopped one. You're like, I've purged enough? Yeah, that's enough Purge. I try to see all the Purge, like the first Purge, how the Purge started, Let's purchase some more. Those aren't the official titles, but get Purge, Get Purged, Purge and get out of here all the sequels. So if anyone who hasn't seen The Purge, I think I know. Actually what trailer you're talking about? Yeah, I think I saw it. Yeah, it's been bopping around. So can I say the movie isn't officially associated with the Purge? I just made that connection when I saw it. I know what I mean. This is a rom com Urge. It's purgees I'm not against, but I'm I so want to know if someone sat down to watch The Purge and was like, what if this was a meet cute? Which, again, if anyone hasn't seen The Purge, the premise of the film is that in order to stop crime, there's one night of the year in America where the film is set, where all crime is legal for a certain period of time, So no. 02:22Speaker 3 Crime is legal and any other day of the year except for this one night, and it's all crime. So it's a lot of murder, yeah, a lot of breaking and entry, yeah, exactly, very scary exactly. 02:32Speaker 1 So it's like, you want to kill your neighbor, there's a night to do that. You want to stab a X or your current partner, there's a night to do that. You want to launder money, that's fine, and so that's and like it's like, so you either go out and you try and be part of the Purge and like kill people and commit crime, or you stay at home. This new movie One Night Only takes that premise and says, what if there was only one night? It's at New York City because that's where all good rom comms take place. What if there was only one night of the year that pre marital sex was legal for single people. 03:04Speaker 2 By the Catholic Church. 03:06Speaker 1 Oh yeah, the popes are producer. He got together with the Perch team and they're like, let's crack out something beautiful. Let's do a collab. A colass that's so dark. So the premise is that, yeah, you know what, unless you're married, you can't hook up with anyone, no sex of any any kind, except for one day. What would you do? Became a free time. They're gonna have Oh my god, so many hot you take up crocheting and watercolor. Yes, I love that. I'm gonna say every in the background of this movie, you did look super like put together and well rested. I'm like, that's because the nights are free. So the idea is like one night of the year you can go out and hook up with whoever you want. And a lot of people use that in the movie is like their night. Some people just use it as a night for wild sex, which fair enough, and the rest some other people use as a night to like find their soulate because I want to hook up. Well, they get married, so that's the thing. So starring in this movie is Monica Barbara. Do you know who that is? I know who she is. Yeah, she was in that movie. We loved that Timothy Shalla main movie. No, that's me. 04:11Speaker 3 No, but I know her from what was that TV show that I recommended for a week in watch that? 04:17Speaker 1 I don't know, let's start Arnold schwartz Nager. That's a you recommendation and like it was just all action flubah. I can't help you out there, Fuba, I think of Fuber. Yeah, she'snt that. I can't remembe all the incredible work this woman has done. That's what you picked out. 04:32Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's the best thing she's been in. 04:34Speaker 1 Because she was also on top gun Maverick she yees who the girl, the one girl, the one girl. 04:40Speaker 3 Oh and she was like the one who like the only one who made like who had a problem with her playing? 04:44Speaker 1 Yeah, because Tom Cruise is like it has to be the girl. Oh my god, I had not put that together to bear the girl who goes down? Yeah, exactly because I can't play Wow, Tom cruiseher hook up with the Purge producers. 04:55Speaker 2 He'd love this. 04:57Speaker 1 And also a young man by the name of cal who American accent in this. Yes, he does so who some people call mister Juwa Liipa because they're getting married. But also he was in Eternity, which was my favorite movie of last year. 05:11Speaker 3 Which was also an interesting rom com with like a twist and the big take. 05:15Speaker 1 I love that Callum Turner, who everyone's like, no, no, he's a serious British actor. He's now like, you know what I'm gonna do is lead rom coms? 05:22Speaker 3 Yes, and Dully has to do that before he becomes the next Bond for like ten years. 05:27Speaker 1 Yeah, and then he can't do anything else. Also, the cast this movie is so interesting, so my Hawk and Julia Fox is in it and z Way by the way, which is so. But also Molly Ringwold, Oh do you know who that is? Did we talk about her? 05:39Speaker 2 No, I'm thinking of someone else. 05:40Speaker 1 No. Molly Ringwold in the I Believe the eighties was like the rom com like Pretty in Pink, all those kind of rom coms. She was like the leading lady. I'm trying to put it so she's like, no, no, if you saw her red hair, you would know her. She was in every iconic sixteen candles Pretty in Pink. 06:00Speaker 2 Oh yeah, oh my god. 06:03Speaker 1 But she's in this, Yeah, because it's important if you're bringing wrong cooms back that the original rom com girl is in there. Oh my god, she's so she was in the Breakfast Club. Yes, and the Breakfast Club like I name all her iconic a. So basically it's Callum Turner and Monica Babaro and they are bout two singles out on this one nine and they meet, but then a series events prevents them as the movie goes on, from hooking up and having sex. But yeah, yeah, I mean if I had a dollar. But also it's like the clock is ticking. So I was watching this trail like Giving Cinderella. I was watching this trail like a thriller. I was like, what's gonna happen next that's gonna prevent them from and when do they start dying? Yeah? Yeah, exactly. How funny for the end like Seaway comes in or someone Molly Ringworld comes in like an at it's actually in the Purge universe. It's like an easter eg Purge movie where you didn't realize it was part of it. It just gotta be thinking though, like what other horror movies do we need to be wrong comms? Like does someone reimagine? Does someone reimagine? Halloween? Is like, he was just a girl who murdered his sister. She was a babysitter. Oh my god, Halloween night. They come together and the mask comes off. A love story Halloween is there something like or scream. It's like he's calling on the phone, but he's actually calling to tell you he likes you, and that's why he has to disguise his voice. Oh my god. It's like there's all these horror movies like, oh. 07:23Speaker 3 Like The Grudge, but it's actually like a merge of like under the Tuscan Sun. She goes to Japan to find this life and build this new house. 07:34Speaker 1 That's just like a little boy living she has to look after. Sorry, what do I want to watch that movie? Should we write movies? I think we should write movies. She's going past the Grudge House and it's so dark and terrified. She's like, just like I need to rebuild this and then she falls in love with. 07:53Speaker 3 Trying to get rid of it, like everyone keeps dying, and she's like, I need to rebuild this house. 07:57Speaker 1 And it's just a montage of her redoing the house, and then she falls in love with the Grudge Ghost, what's beautiful? I like this well, I love this new thing. We keep saying rom coms need to come back. That's so true, and I think this is how we bring them back. We merged them with horror movies. Let's start a fan fiction. But like for rom com slash horror. Absolutely so one night only. I'm excited. 08:18Speaker 2 It's going to be so good. 08:21Speaker 3 So there is a film that's currently in cinemas right now and we have been seeing a lot of mixed reviews on It's called Michael. I mean, if you listen to the intro, you know what movie I. 08:33Speaker 1 Did give that away. 08:33Speaker 3 It's called Michael, and it's a biography on the life of Michael Jackson. So it covers his rise to fame as being the biggest pop star in history. The film covers his career from the nineteen sixties, starting off with the Jackson five to the late nineteen eighties where he ends on his bad tour like album bad. It wasn't a bad tour. It was a pretty good tour from what I've heard it. 08:57Speaker 1 How do you keepel like clarifying, Yeah, a bad tour and like bad bad. 09:03Speaker 3 Oh man, they're the song The song bad. It has a huge cast. So Michael is played by Jaffa Jackson, who was also Michael's nephew. His dad, Joe Jackson is played by colemen Domingo, Mike mis isn't it, Miles Teller, isn't it? It's a massive, massive cast. We personally haven't seen the film. From what I've heard by people who went to the screening, a lot of people loved this film. 09:27Speaker 1 Yeah, I've been seeing like so many people come to me and tell me about movies they've seen which I love. And so many people have said to me that they loved this movie that they were like, like, you know, crying, they were overcome with emotion. I've seen people posting that they're going to go see it again two times, three times to experience in the cinema. And that's also what the box office is telling us, like it's gone crazy well at the box office. It's become like the highest grossing musical bio pick of all time. Even when the trailer came out over a year ago. It's shattered records for a musical biopic trailer and became one of the most watched trailers in Studio's history. For Lionsgate, which is huge because they've released so many blockbusters. Like the fans are telling us that they're obsessed and like they're willing to pay for three movie tickets, which is crazy at a time when like it's hard to get people into a cinema. Yeah. 10:13Speaker 3 One, and from what I've heard what the actual film is about. It's labeled as a biography, but it is a very fun film. Like I heard, the music is amazing, like Jaffar's portrayal of Michael Jackson is amazing. The hard parts I'm assuming that people are crying at is it does depict the emotional and physical abuse he went as a child by his father that was played by but. 10:38Speaker 1 I think crying from like happiness is what I've seen the music because they love the music and seeing us. 10:44Speaker 3 Yeah, it was also sanctioned by the Michael Jackson estate. 10:49Speaker 1 So the Michael Jackson estate paid for a lot of it, right, well, they paid for the reshoots that had to happen. And then obviously his family is super involved, not just his nephew being in the starring role, but his Michael Jackson son Prince, his executive producer, along with all his brothers. It's only really Paris Jackson, his daughter right that has spoken out against it. 11:08Speaker 3 He has spoken out against it. And also his sister Janet Jackson didn't give the rights to her likeliness in the film either, so her car like there's no Janet Jackson in the film or portrayal of Janet Jackson in the film. 11:20Speaker 1 But what you mentioned. 11:21Speaker 3 Before with the reshoot, so the original script started to be looked through around twenty twenty three, with the film being greenlet in twenty twenty five. Like coming to our screens, it was meant to come to our screens last year, and it's been reported that the original script included a storyline that actually happened in nineteen ninety three. So now this movie finishes in nineteen ninety eight, which is when the tour happened. 11:44Speaker 2 It was actually meant to. 11:45Speaker 3 Continue because included the first child abuse allegations towards Michael Jackson by Jordan Chandler. However, with the settlement that happened in real life, Jackson's estate promised to chan the family that they would not be dramatized them in the events around the allegation. However, the estate didn't tell that to the original filmmakers, So that's why the movie had to be pushed and they had to do all these reshoots that was reported cost around fifty million USD. Yeah, I can imagine, So it was massive, massive, And I think that's also comes with the mixed reviews. So a lot of film and TV critics without including all of the allegations towards Michael Jackson that has happened over years with boys who are now men, the film they're saying is just actually really bad, Like it is a bad portrayal of Michael Jackson, and it just skirts over incidents in his childhood and in his life, and it doesn't go into the nuances that a biography should. 12:43Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's kind of what Paris Jackson was saying in her comments about it, which I thought was so interesting. So the reason that she put up a bunch of statements on her Instagram account is that Coleman Domingo, who's in the film, had given an interview to People magazine and he was saying that Paris had been very supportive and was very warm and was like that she was really on board with the film. And then Paris went on her instrum accounts pretty much as soon as that interview went live, and she said, don't be telling people I was helpful instead of a movie I have zero involvement in, because that is so weird. And then she went on to say that she actually read the first drafts of the script and gave notes about everything, and she says there was so much that was dishonest, didn't sit right, didn't address it. And then she said none of her notes were taken on board, so she moved on with her life. But then she said, it's basically that the film really panders to a very specific section of my dad's fandom. This is what she said that still lives in the fantasy and so they're going to be happy with it. And then she went on to say that these Hollywood buyer picks can be very sugarcoated, and she said the narrative is being controlled, and there's a lot of inaccuracy, and there's a lot of full blow and lies. At the end of the day, doesn't really fly with me. Go enjoy it, do whatever, just leave me out of it. Which out of all the family statements, I was like the fact that his daughter is saying there is full blow and lies in this and it's sugar coated and basically leave me out of it. I tried to stop you. But on the other hand, like Prince, her brother is an executive producer, and also Blanket, Michael Jackson's younger son, who I think goes by b G now, So they were both at the premiere with the wider Jackson family, and I think it was only Janet and Paris who weren't there. So it feels like there's quite a big divide behind the scenes. 14:21Speaker 3 Yeah, And it's like a divide that we've known for years, Like we've known that Janet Jackson in particular has had issue with the Michael Jackson estate and there's always been conflict there. But what was really interesting is that the whole film in itself, when I was reading a lot of the reviews and the critics, it's that it feels like exactly what Paris said in her statement, like it does pander to that particular type of Michael Jackson fan who has just like always been obsessed with him as an artist, with his music, with his documentaries that were about him, and it like reinforced and like the film kind of tells those fans that you're allowed to still love that man, and you shouldn't feel bad for loving him. 15:07Speaker 1 And I also think that's why a lot of people have loved this. It's like they've wanted to gather together in cinemas, in spaces like this where they can stand up together. People have been like dressing like him or dressing in merch they have and going to those like shared spaces to celebrate this music that they love. So I think that that's kind of been a catalyst for people buying multiple tickets. But yeah, it is interesting because with all of the allegations against Michael Jackson, and obviously there's a lot of different layers there because you know, he wasn't found guilty of the allegations, but there were settlements that were made, like as a result of that, there were so many different allegations and it was like there's no way to kind of move around the fact that for a huge chunk of his life and career, that was the dominant story about him. And there's a lot of people who were either the accusers or the accusers families that have really been staunchly kind of speaking about that, and that's kind of like a hard thing to reconcile, going and tort to a movie about someone's life and just cutting off and being like and that's it, and they're just like Michael's. 16:08Speaker 3 Like literally just before the first allegation takes place in nineteen ninety three, the movie just cuts at like nineteen ninety eight, So you're only really living in that initial world. And I think the way they're portraying Michael Jackson is like that's the part of his life. For I guess it's more quote unquote modern fans, Like I would count myself as like a modern fan of his music, Like I only found his music through my parents, so I never really saw that beginning stage of his life with like Jackson five and everything and Thriller. It was more like later in life where I like rediscovered his music. And I think that's like the fan base that they really. 16:45Speaker 1 Want to hone down into. Yeah, that's so as a fan of his music, did you give your tickets away to the premiere because you just felt uncomfortable going knowing that that portion of his life and the accusations and the court cases and everything were left out of it. Yeah. 17:00Speaker 3 I think because we are so lucky to like have this job. I knew a lot about the intricacies of the allegations, and we both do because we reported on it for so many like years. Yeah, and I also knew about like all the nuances within the family as well. And I remember reading about Jenna Jackson and like her issues with the estate as well as Paris Jackson, and like the conflict between her and her brothers as well. And I think all of that just compiled into I don't want to watch something that just celebrates his life because I feel icky about that. 17:36Speaker 1 Yeah, that's interesting. That's why I didn't go as well. And also the twos that's why I didn't see the Michael Jackson musical when it came to Australia. And I was really surprised when I went on clicked on pictures of the opening night and like literally every single person I know was there, Yeah, which is fine, Like I think that was weird, but I was just a bit like, oh, I thought there was a big conversation happening and then everyone was like, no, we just want to go see this by all accounts incredible musical, which is also fine. And the same thing with the movie, Like everyone who's told me that they've gone, I haven't said, like anything along the lines of, oh my gosh, why are you going to that? Like I have I know people have gone to see it twice, and I have no judgment against it. I just felt personally that I felt, Yeah, I also felt a little uncomfortable, and I also knew like it wasn't the kind of movie that we would be doing an in depth review on. Yeah, and that's the case, Like you want to you want to go and watch it. You can't review or speak on something that you haven't seen. So like our conversation here isn't about the quality of the movie, although a lot of like that's the interesting thing is like so many critics are like this is a terrible movie, and fans like this is the greatest movie I've ever seen, and it's like got huge, Like the score on like all the different fan accounts, Rotten Tomatoes and stuff is like it's one of the highest reviewed Bier picks from fans of all time. So no judgment around that. I just I'm just interested of how that part of the conversation just got so completely blocked out. Yeah, because I feel like people who went and saw it and loved it don't want to engage. 18:55Speaker 2 They don't want to. 18:56Speaker 1 Look at it. 18:57Speaker 3 They don't want to acknowledge that it exists, but it very much does exists. Like those five men who brought the allegations against Michael Jackson that happened to them when they were young boys between the ages of seven and twelve are still very much here and yeah, and they're like, I think there's one thing of like not acknowledging an alleged perpetrator and alleged an alleged abuser, but it's so different to overtly celebrate them as well. 19:23Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I find really uncomfortable. And I've got to say, like, I come from a slightly easier place with this because I'm not a like I like a lot of Michael Jackson music. Like there's a lot of like Billy Jean, that's a bop. The way you make me feel as someone who was raised on center stage, that's a great smoth criminal. But yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean, you know, I think, listening all the Michael Jackson songs and also like you watch videos of him performing in things, you're like, yeah, he is. He was one of the greatest performers of all time. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Yeah, but also it's not my personal like ride or Die music, like what will, So I'm not grappling with it in the same way it was pretty easy for me to say, like, oh, I might just sit out the musical, I might just sit out the movie. I don't really listen to his music unless it's in a movie or something I love and it comes up, and then I'll listen to it. Like, so I kind of recognize that there's it's a lot harder for people who are like, oh, but I'm a die hard fan, but I also know all these terrible accusations and what do I do with that? Because we all have a version of that, whether it's a movie you loved or like I have TV shows that I loved growing up and it came out that terrible accusations against the people who had made them, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah, And so you then have to like, that's my version of the Michael Jackson movie where I have to grapple like do I still watch this, do I still talk positively about it? Do I watch other things that have come out? Because there's all these the same thing, unproven accusations, but very strong accusations. Nonetheless. Yeah, And it's that whole thing of how you grapple with what happens when people who are either terrible because it's proven or there's so many allegations it's hard to ignore. What do you do when then they make the art that you love? 20:59Speaker 3 Yeah, one hundred, But I think it's like right to grapple. What I would say is that if you're just completely ignoring it and then just wanting to see the movie, then I think that's wrong. I think it is important to understand like all the parts of a biography that isn't shown, and there's a lot in even Paris. Jackson says that there's a lot that isn't shown, and the fact that there's also like complete lies in it, that's what she alleges. Then you're not actually watching a biography, you're just watching like kind of like I don't know, well, how would you even describe it, Like it's like something that just celebrates someone as. 21:35Speaker 1 Like a fantasy or like a fantasy of the people who but also it's the people from the Michael Jackson state who were like, you know, signing off on the movie controlling it. From my understanding from articles that were in the Hollywood Reporter of funding the reshoots. But also then money comes back into the estate from that, so like when there's a lot of money changing hands and people are profiting off it, like that's when you always have to ask questions because then it's even though I know his family, but it's a business. The Jackson family is a business at the end of the day, more than a family. I think even they would admit to that. And Yeah, the thing that gave me the biggest pause was Paris Jackson's comments, because I was like, if anyone would really know a lot of the ins and outs of this, it's one of his children, his daughter, who was basically saying that she saw the first script, she gave all this feedback. It was ignored. There's people in the movie out there saying that she endorses it. She doesn't. But also then she says, like, if you want to go see it, go see it. Yeah, just leave me out of it. 22:32Speaker 3 But that's so true, Like see it, but see it as a movie, like a film that you just watch at the movies. Don't see it as a biography, because. 22:39Speaker 1 It's almost like it shouldn't have even been a Bypick or anything like that. It's almost like if people wanted to gather together and celebrate the music, which I understand because music is a lot of the time bigger than an artist, especially in this kind of case, like it becomes bigger than them. That it should have just been like a like a concert film. Yeah, like bring all the footage of him performing on these hits together and run it in a cinema so that people can just go in and watch these moments that they love and sing along and where the Michael Jackson themed outfits and do that. But it's almost like they wanted to really control the narrative, but then they ran to the issue whre they're like, oh, we can't actually tell his stories. We've just cut cut. 23:15Speaker 3 And there is an end credit scene that does come up on screen after the movie that says his story continues, So there could be. 23:22Speaker 1 A part two. Well apparently they are exploring a sequel, but I don't know if they can really touch anything because of the legal cases. But there it is Michael's and cinemas now, so I guess people. Yeah, people are really still seeing it. The box office is crazy and no judgment if you did go and see it. Like, I honestly do believe I heard the music's really good, really lot tis the Michael Jackson movie has good music. Good music. Yeah, so no judgment if you didn't see it. But I just think it's interesting to have this conversation and look at both sides of it. So Taylor Swift has given a long video interview to The New York Times, which has been really interesting because she's been slightly out of the limelight recently. She's taken to ground after the release of Life of a show Girl. And well, I mean a lot of that. I guess she's wedding planning, right, Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You're the person in the world sorry said that. Well, apparently the invitations have gone out and I hear get one. Yeah, I think you'll be waiting a while, damn it. But also apparently she's done that trick where, you know, help we get screeners and stuff. It has our name in the background, so if we share it, it's easily traceable back to us. She's done that, apparently the invitations. I don't know if this is true, but it's very clever and it's potentially necessary. So smile. 24:35Speaker 2 I should have done that for my thirtieth birthday. 24:37Speaker 1 You put people's in so she's put people's name in the background. It's too like jetey, like a watermark, but yeah, watermark, so if anyone shares the invitation is easily traceable. But I don't know, because that woman keeps her circle tight, like there's a lot of I believe her when she says, a lot of rumors have never come out, and those stories have never come out because her circle keeps her tight. But also how tired is Travis. He's inviting all his like the whole of the NFL, and they're all bringing like a partner, a plus one or something like that. And she was like, I cannot keep this under out. Maybe only some people got the watermarked invitations and some people to have as aside or gold water. The New York Times asking this exactly what has happened to modern journalism? So you know why they didn't ask it because this was a music interview, and that's why she a music interview. 25:22Speaker 3 They're doing like a series on like thirty of the best music writers in history. 25:26Speaker 1 So it's the thirty greatest living American songwriters. And my title was better snapping Your title was like a watercolor of what the actual title was, and obviously that's why she did it. Because that's the interesting thing about Taylor Swift whenever she does press is that she absolutely does not need to. Like a lot of celebrities, especially now like Doo need That's why these press tours have taken off for movies and albums and TV shows And they're doing stunts and they're eating hot chicken, and they're like getting blindfolded on stage and they're wearing crazy outfits. Is that like there's so much everyone's screaming, even like big movie stuff are screaming for attention for their movies. But taylor'sif is one of the rare celebrities where she doesn't need to do any promo. She did a lot of promo for Life of a Showgirl, but it was more to sort of engage with the audience in a way that she was comfortable with, Like she wanted to sort of share some stories and she was happy. She was chat about engagement. 26:18Speaker 2 And she's like friends with all of the late night hosts. 26:20Speaker 1 Yeah, and she was making bread for people and that was just a fun time. But the thing is she could have just dropped Life of a show Girl and it would have it would have done as well exactly. So that's why when she does an interview, was like, hmm, So this one was centered on songwriting and her career, and I think she thought it was a way too which again very interesting to kind of really talk about about her favorite thing, yeah, which is her process of writing songs. 26:41Speaker 2 This is probably my favorite interview she's done. 26:44Speaker 1 Oh. 26:45Speaker 3 I loved it as well, I think because artists talking about their work is just amazing. 26:49Speaker 1 I would listen to that woman just talk about her songwriting and her process and the way her mind works for hours. It's so interesting to sort of hear how she puts a lyric together, what lyrics from other songwriters she like, kind of admires and files away in her head, how she sort of sees herself, how she looks back on her songs, all those things. So there were a lot of interesting tibits in there. And obviously people have kind of raped through the interview, and all the headlines are the ones that are like anything that might be slightly scandalous or slightly like ooh, who is she talking about? Is what the headlines have come out about. And it's funny because one of the biggest headlines is about her fan habits. I know what you thought about this, but she was talking about, like, you know, her fans loving Easter eggs and hidden moments and things, and she went on to say that she sometimes finds it a little bit weird, and there are corners of her fan base that are going to take things to a really extreme place. And she went on to say there's people out there who are going to do detective work and figure out details and say who is this about? What is this about? And then she said where it gets a little weird for me is that people act like it's a sort of paternity test. They say this song's about this person, and I'm like, that dude didn't write the song. I did. I got. 28:00Speaker 3 I kind of agree with her on that. What I don't agree with her on is when she talks about how her fan base takes things to extreme places, and then she can't control that when they do do that, because I do think you can control that. 28:15Speaker 1 I do, Oh do you think she can she can control it? 28:17Speaker 3 I think she has never told her fans to like back off or to like let go of certain things. I feel like her fans are so intense about her and like the Swifties, I was like, have been so amazing for her career, and it's vice versa, Like I think it is a symbiotic relationship, like even growing. Like my first concert was a Tailor Swift concert. 28:40Speaker 1 I was like twelve when I went. 28:41Speaker 3 To Fairly Yeah, and I love Fearless so much, and like so many of the songs where she wrote when she was like twelve, thirteen, forteen, fifteen, I was like, these are songs, Like she looked in my diary and wrote these songs. 28:56Speaker 1 It's so funny. When she was talking about writing love Story and her parents wouldn't let her go on and date. She was saying this into you and she's like, but he was much older than me, so that's also fair enough. That's just good parenting. And she went in her room and wrote love Story, and I'm like, and I was like, when I went in my room to shut my door, I just cry. Yeah. I was just watching so well around YouTube, just watch a Buffy DVD. I was like, we obviously weren't being productive, No, we were just like feing years. 29:19Speaker 3 But those songs like really had an impact on me. And I can see from that age. If she were to mention or like to allude to who those songs were about before the internet even happened, where we actually had to do detective work. I can imagine me like literally having like a Tumblr page like dedicated to like supporting her and like dissing that man. 29:41Speaker 1 God, you should just do that now and like don't let your age stop. 29:43Speaker 3 Honestly I should, because like that's like it was my whole world, Like that's all I was like thinking about, and that's all I cared about. So I do see like how some fans can do that, like get into a hole and constantly like harp on about like all of these men that they think that she's writing about, And it does get to a point where I do feel sorry for some. 30:03Speaker 1 Of the guys. 30:04Speaker 3 But like she's never ever come out and said, like some other artists do, like stop harassing these people or stop thinking about that. Yeah, so I think when she says she can't control that from happening, I do think she can. 30:15Speaker 1 Yeah, potentially if she, because we've seen her kind of almost do it slightly, Like remember on the Errors tour where she said and it was like she was talking to a bunch of school kids, like you can go outside for lunch if you put your hats on. She was like, I'm gonna play Dear John, Now, don't be I'm paraphrazy. She was like, don't be weird, don't don't go. And she did say like, don't go attacking people. Don't go like try and track people down. Go, don't go saying bad things about people. She's like, this, everything's fine, We're all good. I wrote, I wrote this song. I'm proud of it, so I'm gonna play it, but please everyone be chill was the vibe because what she didn't want was this surge of online attacks with everyone like attacking John Mayer in real time after that had kind of settled down because she played that song. 30:55Speaker 3 Yeah, And it was also like when she played that song, it was like much after she wrote and put that song out. But like, obviously she is like a young woman and that she's been writing songs since she was like twelve years old, so I can imagine like writing a song, hating that man, putting it out, then getting everyone else to hate them to and how good that would feel. 31:14Speaker 1 Yeah, And there's all those soundbites of her when she you know, would do interviews, and they'd say, like, what do you think about men who like don't want to date you because you write bad things about them? And she was like, well, I just think that if men don't want me to write bad songs about them, then they shouldn't do bad things. Yeah, which is so true and also so true and so fair it is. I always think it's interesting for an artist who has built so much of her career around easter eggs, hidden messages, signs, and who actively cashes in on that to such an extent. I do think it's interesting to then be like, oh, but now it's getting a bit weird. It's like lighting a fire and being like, oh, that house burned down, but it's something to do with me. Yeah, And it's like, I know, you lit like a campfire over here, and you didn't mean for the house across the street to burn down, but it did burn down. It's still your fault. It's still your fault. 32:00Speaker 3 What I liked about that interview, though, which I think works really well for her in her career, is when she says that if something slifts, like someone upset to you or like you're going through a really hard time, make art out of it. Don't do an Instagram live. 32:14Speaker 1 Yes, which again is so true because you know what, that's what she does. She puts her money where her mouth is, Like she doesn't go on and like publicly trash people or anything like that. 32:22Speaker 3 And she could yeah, because when you do that, you're also giving away like something that you could have done instead. 32:26Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And she was kind of like the art will always be the better option, like creating art is always the better thing. And that's so much of what she does. It's so interesting. 32:34Speaker 2 I wonder what conversation she'd have with Lena Dunham. 32:37Speaker 1 Oh, I wanted to say about so well they do. And you know what's interesting is like in Lena Dunham's new book, Famesick in the acknowledgments, like Taylor sits and then they're really close, but there's no like big stories or like anything in there about Taylor Swift, which a lot of people have pointed out is very interesting because Lena Dunham really bears her soul about her, but other people in her life that she's worked with, that she's friends with in a really in her family in a really extreme way, and then she doesn't write about Taylor Swift. 33:07Speaker 2 Yeah, do you think, And that's an agreement they have between. 33:10Speaker 1 The yeah, I do, I do. I think it is. And everyone's kind of like, oh, so you cannot write about someone who's a huge influence in your life if they're famous enough to be like, you can't do that. I'm not say that in a negative way about either of those women, but it just goes to show that, like, there's so many layers of being friends with someone who's as powerful as Taylor Swift, and that's an interesting dynamic that you have one of the most powerful talked about women in the world who everyone we just want every detail about Taylor Swift, and one of her very close friends is a writer and a creator who is known for bearing her life story and the stories of people around her, and that there's a definitive line for them that potentially she doesn't have with other people. But also she hasn't worked on a TV show with Taylor Swift. Is the other thing when people are like, oh, she just won't talk about Taylor Swift because she's sucking up to her, And I was like, I don think that's true. I think she had to write about like Adam Driver and stuff like that because she was on a TV show with them for many, many, many years, she hasn't done anything public facing like that with Taylor Swift. 34:05Speaker 3 Yeah, and also like if she did write about Taylor Swift, that'll be the one thing that everyone runs with exactly. 34:10Speaker 1 Yeah, but also that that doesn't stop her from writing other things. Yeah. The interesting thing, it's more so that there's like you just when Taylor's sis, you're afraid you just have to walk a more strict line. 34:20Speaker 2 Yeah. 34:21Speaker 1 I think because every single thing that she says or doesn't say is under a microscope, which. 34:25Speaker 3 Would have been in the like friendship agreement fine print before you become friends with her, exactly. 34:30Speaker 1 There's definitely and I mean I don't know if there's a written fine for an agreement, but potentially fast I make one. Yeah, but I think there is something that and that's what kind of seen with the whole Lively situation is that everyone's just like, well, she's broken the agreement of what they had of like not pulling each other into their public stories. And this is the thing is like one little thing of Taylor Swift just ignites this massive conversation. I also thought on the interview that was interesting was when she mentions Jack Antonoff, which there's a lot of headlines around that that Taylor Swift squashes Jack Antonoff feud, which she didn't do. She just mentioned him as a really close friend and collaborator. 35:04Speaker 2 Yeah. 35:04Speaker 1 But why it was interesting is that rumors of a few have been bubbling away because he wasn't involved in the Life of a show Girl. Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot about it. I remember that was a huge thing. Everyone's like they've fallen out. She doesn't want to work with him anymore. And then there was a whole thing where Jack Antonov's white Margaret Qualley was doing movie promo and at the end of the interview on like a live TV show, she was asked about Taylor Swift's music and like she's like, oh, new album's coming out tomorrow, Like what do you think can you tell a tvings She's like, I think everyone's excited to see it. She's like, I don't know. But also like then people like, see, there's definitely. 35:37Speaker 2 A few, but like she hates her. 35:38Speaker 1 Yeah, so it was like she's definitely a few. That's why she panicked. And I was like, I just think that she panicked because she was doing an interview at her movie and all of a sudden she was asked to like disclose information about a Taylor Swifts album, which she rightfully hadn't heard. But she didn't. 35:50Speaker 2 Squash the rumors in this interview though. 35:52Speaker 1 She just basically just spoke truth and just said that he is a longtime friend of collaborator. Well, he squashed the rumors the other day himself, because did did they go out to dinner together? No? I allow that would have been chic. No, she was out to dinner with her dad and a bunch of her friends. But I didn't see Jack and the pat pics you're looking at her da, I think he doesn't. Yeah, I thought was his name Scott Swift, Scott Swift wearing I don't think Jack Anhov leaves his home. No, No, Jack Antonov went on, I think it was Howard Stern and Howard Stone. Howard Sterne's like the one interview and that can just ask any celeb or anything and everyone's like, yeah, let me tell you about that. Yeah, he asked him, Like he's like, Oh, you've got to feel pretty bad being left off the album, and you know, being like, oh, you're just on included in this and Jack is like, no, Taylor and I really good friends, were good collaborators. He's like, you can't collaborate with the same people over and over again. He's like, I would never do that. 36:41Speaker 3 And she's also kind of said that in the interview, and she said that she loves having co writers and collaborators, but she also doesn't need them. 36:48Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly exactly, but it's just it's so interesting, and this interview is thirty minutes of this woman speaking and talking about things that she hasn't touched on as much before and like the things everyone has like really launched onto. Is like she think her fans are weird and she's not fighting with Jack cantonof with a lot of stuff in there, like I thought her even just talking about the All two World ten minute version and how the original was lost and she had to recreate it, or even talking about how like reputation is. 37:14Speaker 3 Yeah, like it became such a big album like years after Yeah, I just put out there and like all the songs that she was saying that people like slept on ready for it. 37:23Speaker 1 Yeah, I was like, oh my god, that was my favorite song on the album. Okay, I felt I always few was a bit stupid in these situations because she was like, yeah, people didn't like reputation and it kind of grew on them, but it hasn't grown as much like there's songs with people. She's basically been like, I know, you guys hate a reputation, but I love it. And I'm always on the back foot of stuff like this because I loved Reputation and it was my favorite album too, me too, And I didn't realize it was like, you know, not a thing with Swifties until the era's to a start and you know, everyone be like did you get tickets? What era are you? And I was like, oh, I guess reputation is my era because I'm like, I'm definitely gonna wear black and a red lip because's what I wear. And people are like, oh, reputation and I was like, oh, I didn't realize that was a thing. It's the same thing when everyone's like, oh, it's like how tailor swift dresses really badly and that's a known fact. And I thought she dresses badly. I thought she looks great. Oh she did for a bit, but now she looks great. Now I think she dresses badly. No, on purpose. I think she dresses badly to make herself relatable. And all the fashion girls are like, yeah's because she just dresses so badly and so on fashionably, And I'm like, from me over here, thinking she looks gress. I don't know about fashion. So we'll link the full interview in our show notes because there's a lot of interesting stuff in there. It's such a good interview. It's so wors a time. 38:29Speaker 3 She's really opinionated in this interview, which I love, Like she doesn't skirt around any answers or anything like that, Like she is really like she comes across very strongness. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. If you love this episode, the best way you can support us is by giving us a five star rating and review wherever you're listening or watching us on whatever podcast app you're using, and don't forget we have your weekend viewing Sordid with our weekend Watch episode dropping tomorrow at six am. The Spill is produced by Manitius Warrn't Video production by Michael Keine. 39:01Speaker 1 We will see you tomorrow. Bye bye.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, Taylor Swift has sat down with the New York Times for one of the most insightful interviews she's ever done. 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Kevin Hart has been roasting a listers and his Timothy Shallow may take He's sending me and tell us. We have sat down with The New York Times for gorgeous, insightful chat about the art of songwriting. 00:46Speaker 1 Happy Thursday, baby, Let's crack it. 00:48Speaker 2 Tristan Thompson has filed for a limited conservatorship over his nineteen year old brother, Amari, who has an intellectual. 00:55Speaker 1 Disability and developmental delay. 00:57Speaker 2 Amar has been diagnosed with Lennox guest Dot syndrome, a severe form of epilepsy causing frequent seizures and requiring constant medical supervision. Tristan previously held guardianship of Amari after their mother, Andrea passed away in twenty twenty three. Now that a Mari's turned nineteen, the conservativeship is required to continue that legal oversight into adulthood. And here's the part that got me. Because of Tristan's NBA travel schedule, it's been Chloe Kardashian, his ex who has taken on day to day caregiving, keeping Amari in LA with full time cares. She said she made that commitment out of her love for Andrea, who was one of her closest friends, and that her care for Amri has nothing to do with Tristan and everything to do with his mum. I said it before, I'll say it again. Chloe's a queen who deserves only the very best of life and. 01:45Speaker 1 All the things. 01:46Speaker 2 Next up, shouted Elizabeth, who played Nadia, the exchange student in American Pie, has joined Onlyfan and she's made an absolutely jaw dropping. 01:53Speaker 1 Amount of money in a very short time. 01:56Speaker 2 She launched her page on April sixteen, and in her first week alone, she surpassed one point two million US dollars in earnings. But here's a clincher. She ain't getting naked. It's just photos of her being her unscripted self. Must be nice, she explained her reasoning perfectly. She said I've spent my entire career in Hollywood, where other people control the narrative in the outcome of my career. This new chapter is about changing that, creating on. 02:19Speaker 1 My own terms, and just being free. 02:21Speaker 2 She's now fifty two, listen in South Africa and works in conservation. 02:25Speaker 1 She's saving the world and making a million bucks. Get a girl. 02:28Speaker 2 Stick around when we return. Kevin Hart has been roasting half of Hollywood. Taylor Sweat has opened up to The New York Times by the art of songwriting and something for all you. 02:37Speaker 1 They ever wears Pride of Fans. Welcome back to Morning Tea. 02:42Speaker 2 Kevin Hart has sat down with Alex Cooper on Call of Daddy, added his Netflix roast special airing May ten, and Alex handed in note cards with celebrity names for rapid fire roasts. On Timothy Shallomey, he said the body of a German woman on Nick Cannon, a sperm diffuser on Patrick Mahomes, a voice that doesn't go of his body on Elon Muski launched into a full physical impression, calling him the Glitcher. But my favorite moment was when Alex asked him about Robert Pattinson, who he called Robert Pattison and then announced here was Team Jacob Steell Kevin Hardest, Team. 03:13Speaker 1 Jacob I died. 03:14Speaker 2 The New York Times magazine pold more than two hundred and fifty music insiders to name the thirty greatest living American songwriters. Taylor Swift made the list, obviously, and sat down with the Time for a thirty minute interview about songwriting that I could have listened to for three hours. She talks about the intensity of love and young love between the ages of seventeen and twenty two and how that period produced some of the most deeply felt, honest lyrics of her career and when we think about it, fearless speak now read a girl feeling everything at full volume and having the genius. 03:43Speaker 1 To write it all down. Man, she is right. 03:45Speaker 2 She then addresses her fan basis, and what I love about this is that this is kind of Teller's web of saying, I know, I know exactly who my fans are. I know there are a lot, and this is how I've learned to exist alongside her. 03:56Speaker 3 I have to know that there's certain things that we have as a trader between me and my fans. 04:01Speaker 4 They love for an emotional song to be track five. 04:03Speaker 3 There's like special things like that, But at the same time, there's sort of so many of them now, which is great, But there's corners of my fan base who are going to take things to a really extreme place. 04:18Speaker 4 There's nothing I can do about that. 04:20Speaker 3 There's people who are going to try to like do detective work, figure out the details. 04:25Speaker 4 Who is that about? What is this? 04:26Speaker 3 When it gets a little bit weird for me is when people act like it's sort of like a paternity test, like this song's about that person, because I'm like, that dude didn't write the song I did. 04:37Speaker 2 She also talked about uli Well the ten minute vision, one of my favorite songs of all time, and how that extended vision only exists because her fans refused to let it go. 04:46Speaker 4 We were rehearsing for the Speak Now tour. 04:49Speaker 3 I was very sad in a way that you know, you're like, you're like twenty one years old, and you're just like excruciatingly just like you are. Sadness is you? You are sadness. I just in the break, I just started playing the same four chords over and over again. It's basically the same four chords over and over again for the whole song, and it just became this thing where I just started rambling, and this thing went on for a really, really long time. It was like more than ten minutes that this rambling rant went on, and it wasn't cohesive and it wasn't really that structured, but it felt afterward like I think my mom or somebody went up to the sound guy was like, did you write any chance record any of that? 05:31Speaker 4 And he was like, yeah, I did. And I would have walked away from it if he didn't have a recording of it. So I went. 05:36Speaker 3 Back and listened to it, and I was like, oh, here's this ten minute like basically catharsis of intense emotion, Like there are some really angry, scathing parts that I was like, kind of going to have to make this into a song that's a little bit more palatable. 05:53Speaker 2 So he releases the palatable version. The fans there's more. They hassle he over the full ten minute version for years. She seems the audio she's looking involved safe daries, and in the end she has to piece it all back together. 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Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                           From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney. 00:06Speaker 2 And I'm Tina Probus and coming up on the show today, poor little Barry Kerrigan has given a bit of a tell interview to Benny Blanco about why he had to escape Hollywood even though he's in the midst of filming one of the biggest movie franchises that is going to hit our screens in the coming years. 00:22Speaker 1 So we're getting into that because there's a few layers, there's a few secret videos. 00:26Speaker 3 I'm glad you said his name first. From here and out, he would just be Barry. 00:29Speaker 1 Yeah, let's just pull that young young or Baz, because the thing is when he says his name, we's got such an irish little to it. And I wouldn't dare. I wouldn't dare trying to speak like that man. Plus, Anne Hathaway a new trailer for one of her highly anticipated movies, one of the five movie shows coming out this year has just dropped, and of course The Devil Wears prior to two is out this week. But it started a very uncomfortable conversation around her that we're gonna jump into. But first, some important breaking news, and no, it's not the fact that Laura Dern has been confirmed to replace Helena Bondum Carter on the White Lotus season, even though that was breaking news this morning. But we have something more important to discuss. 01:07Speaker 3 Yes, we are looking at what of Kate Hudson's X, which I personally am a fan of X. I think we should all be allowed to have something that we just draw as a boundary. It's okay to have boundaries. 01:18Speaker 1 Yes, So Kate Hudson, who I'm going to say, I love a Kate Hudson interview because that's the lovely thing about growing up as the golden child of a NEPO baby family is like that girl can say whatever she wants in the nicest way possible. So Kate Hudson went on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen this week because she's still doing promo for Running Point season two. If anyone hasn't seen that, it's on Netflix now. It's so, so, so good and she's so good in it. But one of the questions was about X, and you can see that she was like, I'm taking a stand. 01:47Speaker 3 What male behavior gives you an immediate ex Oh, oh oh, I have a Okay, I'm not this is this is going to go bad and I'm going to see it anyway and maybe headline It's fine, Okay. 02:00Speaker 1 I have a real issue with guys who like really lead with their spirituality in a in a way. 02:10Speaker 3 That you're like, why are you? I don't know, what are you doing? 02:13Speaker 1 Why am I? 02:15Speaker 3 I'm like it just immediately a red flag like something's off, yes, not right. Yeah, I have no issue with that. Thank you, Kate Hugs. 02:26Speaker 1 I love how much she had to carry out that, Like she's like, should I say it? Should I not say it? Should I speak on it? Should I? She's like, I know this is going to cause headlines. Like when I saw that, I like leant up in my seat. Yeah, what is this girl going to say? That's going to ignite these international headlines? And I'm gonna say it. Wasn't overly disappointed, Like I was not expecting her to say spirituality just because of who she is, everything we know about her for her entire life. 02:50Speaker 3 You know, surely she has someone very specific in mind. She was that one guy exactly. 02:55Speaker 1 I feel like there's a backstory here. Okay, First of all, what do you think of that as an it would that turn you off? 02:59Speaker 3 I guess in terms of spirituality, are we talking religion or more like woo woo? 03:04Speaker 1 I think in her case, I'm thinking like super woo woo. 03:07Speaker 3 I feel like both might put me a little bit off to leave with that, like it's not your whole personality. 03:13Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I think there's a bit of a backstory there we're not getting. But I can read between the lines is that this woman has been in the dating pool at many times of her life in a really specific place, like in the kind of Hollywood world of like La. She's been raised in that area, and I think what she has encountered is a lot of men who were also raised in this kind of rich, famous Hollywood kind of those echelons of they don't have they've never like confronted in their life. They've never had to think about what to do with their lives and so or like make money and all that sort of stuff. And so that type of man or person, to be honest, like men and women can do it is that they then start to sort of be like, well, what else is there? What they like grab on to this very intense form of spirituality and that's fine, but then they make it everyone else's probes. That's when Anti Cohen, I think, says. 04:04Speaker 3 Like saying it's douchey, I feel like doo sheey. It was probably definitely a subshot, and they lead with it. 04:09Speaker 1 When he said, oh, they lead with it, and she was like, yes, So it's the kind of guy that you go on a first date with. And I just like Kate Hudson sitting down and she's a good time girl, Like she seems so fun. 04:17Speaker 3 I love her. 04:18Speaker 1 She talks out the fact that she loves to like go out and have a drink and dance and like, you know, she's just a real fun person. And I think she said some of a guy who was like, let me tell you about my ten steps. 04:27Speaker 3 Which makes me interesting. 04:29Speaker 1 I never asked you one question. I think that's who she's talking about. 04:32Speaker 3 I agree. I think that's totally fair to lead with that. I also think, like for me, someone that this sounds bad, actually no saying it. 04:39Speaker 1 If Kate Hudson can take a stand, you can mind's worse. 04:42Speaker 3 I think, oh, you're well, this isn't my ick, but just someone that has a lot of goals, like men with lots of goals. Like I dated so On once and they had like a list on their wall of like their goals, And I kind of put that on par with like spiritual thing because it's probably too far. 04:58Speaker 1 I can just hear a bunch of really fragile mens screaming right now, like we can't win. The thing is if I had no goals like being there, I think leading with it is what she's saying, and that's what you're saying too, Like if he had mentioned you in a conversation like, oh, I really want to do this one day, what's one of your goals? I'm assuming that would be fine. 05:15Speaker 3 I think it's like having interests verse, you know, outlining like this is my way of life, and like assigning your whole personality to a spirituality verse like it organically coming up at a conversation. Yeah, so maybe it's the nuance to it exactly. 05:29Speaker 1 And I just feel like after a while, like Kate hasn't has said for herself, like she was in the dating pool for like a good thirty years there from when she was a teen, and she has dated a lot of really big Hollywood celebs, a lot of musicians as in like tortured kind of musicians, and she had children with like two different musicians who seem nice but kind of get the vibe of being like very much like me and me like my art, my music. And that woman has had access to like every kind of hot man in Hollywood, and she's ended up with her friend's brother who's like out of the Hollywood world. And I like, there's a lesson in that we should love for all of us that she looked away from. And she'd known this guy for years, Danny, and they have a kid. I love bought it together now and she was just like after a while that she just kind of realized it's him. It's my friend's brother who's like not famous at all. 06:13Speaker 3 What a movie on that? 06:14Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah movie. So anyway, she's taken a stand on the biggest ick, and like people have really reacted to it. Some people in the comments are like, yeah, this is my biggest ick too, and then some people like this is awful, what a terrible thing to say. But I just think, let the woman speak, turn you off the spirituality thing. I think what she's saying too, if it's the main topic of conversation, there's no one thing. If the person's right, I think it turns you off, but I know, I know so well the kind of cuy she's talking about, who would sit down and make the whole conversation about their spirituality and like if you don't agree with everything, they think that you're wrong and they're more enlightened than you, and they'd probably do yeah, exactly exactly, and like they do, and you're just like, just chill and tell me what TV show you're watching, Like I don't need to hear your ten step spirituality and why you're going to have And I'm going to burn in hell because where you're going I don't want to go. Sorry, it sounds bad. 07:05Speaker 3 For the past year, the internet has been piling on to Barry They've been piling onto that man. 07:11Speaker 1 Coward my god key, well, he says in such a husky voice. 07:17Speaker 3 Well, some people say, some people shaking Barry Yeah, Barry Kay. And it has been piling on to Barry Kay following his split from Sabrina Carpenter, where there was swirling rumors of a cheating scandal, and they have just not left that man alone, and up until now he has never addressed the rumors. He's definitely come out and like talked about the online harassment that his face and the scale of bullying that he's come up against, which has sounded really hard, but it hasn't really slowed the pace of everything down. But now he has sat down with Benny Blanco and his podcast Friends Keep Secrets and done a little bit of a heart to heart. 07:54Speaker 4 Just on a serious note. You know, I feel in the safe space to see this. And you know what, I have been avoiding stuff. I have been like, you know, I came off Instagram, you know, on social profiles. I stopped going to events. I've stopped you know, just socializing. And again it's because you know, there was a narrative out there that was never really sort of even spoken on a narrative that's not true, and I never confirmed or said anything about it, and you know, I just disappeared. 08:29Speaker 1 So there's a lot of interesting things about that podcast. Clip one is just the fact that that podcast in general, like I've watched Benny Blanco's podcast a few times, those men just sit on the floor. 08:39Speaker 3 It's kind of chill vibes. 08:40Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's not how you podcast. And I'm not getting quite try that. Yeah, I wooden floor exactly about us, and we had to record during all those years of lockdown, like building a pillow fort, building a mattress tent, all those sorts. 08:55Speaker 3 Of things, because they're in pants, they're not inside. 08:58Speaker 1 That's not why sometimes I can just not just men famous people can just really do the better of them going through that. I mean, Barry did look very relaxed. He's sitting cross legged on the floor. But this is one interesting thing where it's like watching the podcast does give you a bit more than just listening to show there's people in the background just making tea in the kitchen and all those things. They must have excellent microphones not to pick up that background noise. But watching Barry's kind of like he his shoulders really slump. He puts his head down. You can see that he's like having difficulties speaking about it. But he's obviously had this really pent up inside and it's something that like he hasn't spoken on since the breakup with him and Sabrina Carpenter happens. So in that interview he kind of confirms they did date for over a year. He doesn't get into any of the specifics of why they broke up or anything. Like that. But he is in the midst of filming the Beatles movies, which is a huge, huge role that like every actor in Hollywood was going out for those Beatles roles, and it's going to be just kind of like this huge movie moment. So he's been in big movies before, but he's about to be in like a blockbus essentially, and so I think he knows that, like, he's got huge rounds of press in the next couple of years coming, and he also just needs to be in the public eye for his job in general. So wonder this was a bit like trying to clear the conversation before he goes back into. 10:14Speaker 3 That, and the scale of the harassment is it's quite disgusting because he has grown up with a lot of adversity. He speaks a bit in this interview about how people, you know, dragging his late mother into things she was an addict, and then he also has his own struggles with addiction. So I think stooping to that level and having to be constantly faced with that kind of commentary would be really hard when you know you've got this massive press run coming up. 10:40Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, And it was, Yeah, it was kind of interesting. When he and Sabrina broke up, because they were never like overly overly public about their relationship, but they were photographed together a lot, and they did like when she did her Vogue with Come like he's in the video clip as well, Well, he's in the video clip, yes, yes, But prior to that, like they did there, like they were never like posing the heaps couple photos. They were never like on each other's Instagram stories. She never said like, this is my boyfriend Barry. That's like the three year master yeah, celebrity exactly. But the first time they really confirmed their relationship in a very public way was when she was doing a get Ready with Me behind the scenes video with Vogue before the Met Gala, and he walked into the room so it looked like he had an joining room, and he walked in and they were like, you know, the little kiss and a little to get like very clearly, very coupply. And then they've been photographed together since then, but never in like a like that was their kind of big moment. And then when they read the video clip together that was obviously huge. Yeah, and just like kind of like a cute, floirty thing. But I think one of the reasons why their breakup was so so public, there's a few different reasons. One is that, like we had song lyrics to fall back on, and as anyone who's daily Taylor Swift or any musician knows, that's gonna get you every time. Because she was like, please don't embarrass me, and everyone's like, and he did, and that was like a battle cry that people got really ferocious about. 11:56Speaker 3 Yeah, I think as well. It's something so relatable for people, and that's why it's like easy to latch onto it because everyone probably has someone in their life from their past that they kind of share those feelings towards. So when it's music, you I mean, I'm the kind of person that listens to music. I'm like, this is about my life. 12:12Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I guess I'm just thinking that a good song, you're like, yeah, that just hits in the right place. 12:17Speaker 3 If you're in a bas you're like looking out the window. 12:19Speaker 1 There's some lyrics that are just universal, and they're usually about heartbreak. They're always about that. One thing I thought was super interesting is he was talking about and he never gets into like the depths of him and Sabrina. But like if anyone knows anything about their relationship. You can kind of read between the lines of when they broke up. There was a huge amount of allegations that he had cheated on her, and she never came out and said it. But sometimes like she would be on stage, like she was on stage in Ireland once and she was sort of joking about like not wanting to date Irish boys again, that they were kind of like a bit of a bad idea, just like really how she A lot of people probably share that thought, Yeah, and exactly, and she was, you know, she was catering to her audience and stuff, but she never said the words Barry cheated on me. But what did happen that he brought up in this interview that I thought was really interesting is he said that a video went out from a woman who said that he had cheated with her, and that did go everywhere. And what he said I thought was really interesting and something we bring up on this pot a lot is that he said she then released a attraction video saying that she was a lion. She made it up, but no one picked up on that, which is so the case when these stories kind of they break, they come out, they burn hot and bright and a lot of times when something like that or a rumor or a misunderstanding or something happens, there is another part of the story that comes later, whether it's a retraction, a clarification, someone saying they were lying, like the full interview being released. There's always a second part to the story. But the second part of the story never gets the same traction as the first. 13:41Speaker 3 So I guess theys a lot about how people consume things as well, Like even when you see a headline, you may actually not have ever read the full story, Like you just see the headline and then that's your truth that you move forward. 13:49Speaker 1 Yeah. 13:50Speaker 3 Yeah, I remember seeing the video that went up and like there was just not really any grounds to truth with it. But if you just get that kind of like headline out of it, it kind of like takes on this whole life of its own. It is just crazy, the flow on effect that it's hard on, like you forget he's a real person. 14:05Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And that's why we say, like people do just read the headlines, and a lot of the time I'm just like, well, sometimes with like fame and money and everything like that is sort of just unfortunately, like the price you paid. But I thought it was really interesting where he was like, this woman came out and gave a retraction and no one, like, no one saw that, no one pitched. 14:21Speaker 3 He's so strong for one not fighting on that, well he did. 14:26Speaker 1 Yeah, And I mean, obviously I wonder if there's like how much a PR team is involved, or maybe it is also I don't know this man. Maybe this was his thought, like it was very like holier than thou, kind of a nice way to say it, because he was like, I don't know what this woman has gone through in her life, so I'm not that holy call her out. Well, yeah, I don't think yeah, to give her Barry Kaye the benefit of the doubt. That was really nice of him, if indeed that was his own thought, is like I'm not going to pull this woman through the mud and set the internet off on her because I don't know what she's been through, what's going on with her. It's sort of interesting because that's sort of this huge chain of reaction of people hating Barry. And before that he was really having a moment. He had been in an Oscar nominated movie and everyone was like, oh my god, he's a great actor and then after Saltburn, he was having such a fun cultural moment and everyone was like, oh, that tiny evil man, like so cheeky and fun, like everyone loved him, and so when he and Sabrina got together, everyone's like, oh, it's just we love that she's obsessed with like that little gremlin boy. It was really a moment on the internet too, like everyone boy is crazy, yeah, but in an endearing way, like everyone was upset in the way that only men can be, like you know, like rat Boy, fort of stuff and it's all endearing. 15:34Speaker 3 Your face was always coming up in the Rat Boy, yeah exactly. 15:37Speaker 1 So it was all that. And then stuff came out, yes, about his family and like drug abuse and all this sort of stuff, all these allegations, and he talked about it, but at the same time, like people were sort of using then his own words against him, and then people were also bringing out the fact that he was which again cernificants brought up for any other men in Hollywood. I don't know if all of a sudden we decided that Barry was going to take the flack for absent fathers everywhere? Is that? But also people were like, well, where is your son, Like he is because he has a son. People were like, you're off with Sabrina, You're not looking after your son, You're an absent father. I think at one stage he was talking about having to be away and working, but he was doing that for his son, and people were like, you're just making excuses, and all of a sudden, that like became this huge lynch pin. In a way, it's not for other men in Hollywood. Like, I'm not defending him for if he doesn't see his son, but I'm just like. 16:23Speaker 3 That's most in Hollywood. Yeah, Yeah, they're not at home raising their kids every day when they're filming movies months on end. 16:30Speaker 1 Yeah. I just think felt like it became just another thing to add to this kind of like it's very personal Eylon and like when we thought he was cute and sexy, no one cared about that. But when we thought he cheated on Sabrina carp and all of a sudden, everyone's like, you come from a drug addict family and you're a bad parent. Yeah, he was like where we were next. 16:47Speaker 3 It's a really low blow. And obviously in the industry, people are getting away with a lot more and not having you know, so many people cracked down on them. It's almost like it's easier to attack, attack on this. 17:00Speaker 1 Yeah, and again I think like a song lyric will really change the game, Like it became sort of like cute and fun to hate on Barry, and I think because it's also very easy, like there was no except for him personally, there was no stakes for anyone else Whereas I kind of looked at like the attacks on Barry, and I was like, where is this for like men in Hollywood who are like abusive towards women, or where is this for like men who have been accused and sometimes found guilty of like sexual assault or all these other things, or like physical assault, all these other things, Like they tend to sort of get more of it because sometimes that's a murky issue and interesting. 17:35Speaker 3 It's like if people don't have all the information on something that's higher stakes, then they weren't common on it at all. 17:41Speaker 1 Yeah. 17:42Speaker 3 But then if something's lower stakes and you don't even have any information at all, yeah, feel free to go wild. 17:48Speaker 1 Yeah exactly. That's I just found such an interesting and just like which parts of the internet pick up which topics, because sometimes like a man will be accused of sexual assault and not even not found guilty, but just sometimes there's not enough evidence to get to court, which is not the same thing, and everyone will be like, well, that's not ruin his life. But then everyone's like, wait, did Barry kiss someone else? Yeah, stone him to death, Like it's very because again that feels like there's less consequences for the audience. So yeah, I thought it was interesting, and I like the fact that he did come out and have that conversation and like kind of be a bit vulnerable in that way because he's really trying to gun towards this very famous act not famous, he's obviously famous, but more kind of serious actor kind of vibe, and a lot of times that comes with like not giving like being only out of DiCaprio and not giving an interview since a teen magazine like thirty years ago, and not kind of speaking on anything, only ever talking about your movies and your craft and never talking about yourself. It felt like he was kind of and like Paul mescal and other actors who are in his Jacob e. Lordie, like other actors who are in that young Hollywood about to be that next level of very famous man are all going that we don't speak in interviews. 18:53Speaker 3 Keeping it very personally. 18:54Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. 18:55Speaker 3 He lifted the veil a bit, and I think he's a really powerful story so it would be really nice if he's able to speak about it without people throwing stones in. 19:02Speaker 1 Yes, exactly what the little man. I mean. We get maybe he did, maybe he cheated horribly on her. 19:07Speaker 3 We don't know, and if that's the case, then. 19:11Speaker 1 Exactly. But we'll like the full interview in our show notes. Who will listen to the full thing because there's a lot more than that little moment. But yeah, interesting when the Beatles movies come. 19:19Speaker 3 Out, Yes, I'm so excited. 19:20Speaker 1 Yeah, I actually think that'll be a tony hoot for him. I think people will see him in the Beatles movies, they'll love the movie and they'll be fine. 19:26Speaker 3 Yeah. 19:28Speaker 1 So it's been a huge well it's been a huge month year, but also week this week for Anne Hathaway because The Devil West Prota two is finally I'm not gonna do it this movie. Huge week for us. We went to the premiere of The Devil Wears Pritor two this week. We can't say anything about it today, but that review many many thoughts on that are coming. So the Devil Wes Protor two is out starring Anne Hathaway. Of course, it's one of the many movies she has coming out this year, so Mother Mary, where she plays a pop star, The Devil Wes Protor two, obviously, The Odyssey, Christopher Nolan's new movie, which is going to be an absolutely huge blockbuster packed with Hollywood talent. She's in that Flower Veil Street, which is more of a sci fi mystery. This's got range. 20:07Speaker 3 Yeah, she's got range. 20:08Speaker 1 He's got range. And also Verity, which is coming out in October, which is a new thriller based on Colleen Hoover's best selling book of the same name. So the trailer came out this week. It was our first look at There's been so much hype around this particular adaptation of Colleen Hoover's novel, just because it's so beer loved and has such a twisted mystery, and also the casting, because we've got Dakota Johnson playing Low and Ashley who was hired by a man called Jeremy Crawford played by Josh Hartnett. I'm loving the Josh Hartnett come back in the way Why did he ever go away? I do love that man, and so she's hired by him to ghost write novels for his best selling author wife called Verity played by Anne Hathaway. Because she's an accident, she's unable to finish, and so Dakota Johnson's character moves into the Crawford's home to work on the book, only to discover that, of course, all is not as it seems, and there is a mystery with Verity. And the trailer is like really creepy and like atmospheric, and it also has a pretty lovely pash between Dakota Johnson and Hathaway. 21:09Speaker 3 Love that they put that in the trailer. 21:11Speaker 1 Yeah, they were like, we know exactly what you guys want to see, and here it is at the top of the trailer. 21:15Speaker 3 So I haven't read the book. It looks quite dark though, like a horror. 21:19Speaker 1 Yeah, Like it's like a kind of like a horror thriller, kind of like that old school like a Rebecca type kind of like you know, mystery of like what's happening in the home. 21:27Speaker 3 Kind of thing. It's interesting seeing what people are already saying in terms of like what they expected, Like some people like this is way scary than I thought it would be like people interpreted different in their heads. 21:36Speaker 1 So and it was one of those things where like when their casting was announced that it was Anne Hathaway Duco Johns and people that quite lost their minds of that because they were very kind of like territorial overut who would play these characters. So on paper, this should actually be the best year of Anne Hathaway's life professionally. 21:52Speaker 3 She's busy because of all. 21:53Speaker 1 These movies coming out, and there's this kind of just felt like when she was on The Devil Wears prior to press to her, there was this like inten hence love and admiration for her and so on paper, everything is perfect, but of course there's a bit of a different conversation bubbling around in the background. Do you remember, like it was nearly eight years nine years ago now that the Half a Hate started? Do you remember this dark time. 22:18Speaker 3 In our history this time? 22:19Speaker 1 Yeah, well, hopefully not on the internet because it was not a nice stay. 22:22Speaker 3 I don't think I was part of this movement because I wouldn't want to stand for that slander. Well no, exactly exactly. 22:27Speaker 1 So it was a dark time in history where Anne Hathaway had grown up as one of the most beloved actresses because we were introduced to her in The Princess Diaries, iconic Disney film Perfection Can Do No Wrong, and then obviously she had other movies like Ellen Enchanted, so you know, she really a lot of people really grew up with her as their actress, as the person that they would like. You know, people would be like, the first time I went to the movies was to see Ella Chanted, or like the first time, like my friends and I had to sleepover, we watched The Princess Diaries, like it was that kind of way. 22:55Speaker 3 She had a very like soft transition into womanhood as well from that, like Disney Girl. 23:00Speaker 1 And then when she got The Devil Wears Prata, which was it became a huge iconic movie and it was a big deal at the time, but not like it kind of became when the movie came out, and she has spoken very openly that she was about fifth on the list of actresses, so like they had to a lot of people had to say no to the role, and she had to go through like a lot of negotiations and auditions to get that role, and then that kind of was her big star making turn because that movie was sush a blockbuster. She's so great in it, and then she went on to like have all these other big movies that followed it. It was around the time of when she was starring in lay Miz that she won her first Oscar for it was her first Oscar nomination, was the first time she won. It was during the press one for that that people started to really turn against her. 23:44Speaker 3 Yeah, right, and all. 23:46Speaker 1 Of a sudden. I mean, the thing is, she was campaigning very hard for an Oscar, which is what you have to do to win. No one wins at a campaigning, even if you step aside and let your team campaign for you, you have to have a campaign. But she was front and center campaigning, and she run lot of awards leading up to the Oscar and lay Mis won a lot of awards, and people started to tire of her. They were like, she's a tryhard, she's annoying, she has theater kid energy. And one of the worst allegations against her was when Laye Miz won an award and as they were wrapping up, she jumped in on the end and thanked someone from her team, like personally, like thanked one of her managers. And there was this huge backlash, and it wasn't til years later that came out that person had been diagnosed with cancer and she just wanted to give them a shout but also even. 24:28Speaker 3 If they had it, like, let her give a shout out, Yeah, let her give a. 24:31Speaker 1 Shout out to someone in her teen And when she won the Oscar, that's also when the tables turned because she got up on stage and she and also people hated her dress. And that's neither he nor there. But the story was I didn't love it. No, okay, I just think he didn't photograph well. And but the backstory is it was, it was fine. It's a fun It's one of those engages that she is such a she's such a red carpet staple glam kind of and she'd had so many great dresses leading up to the Oscars that I just thought that wasn't the dress. It just photographs strangely because of the darts at the front. It made it look like her boobs were sticking out and the front, no, you do you know the dress't talking about? 25:08Speaker 3 No, it was a I think it. 25:10Speaker 1 Was Prada, which is ironic, and it was like straight down, pale pink column dress and it was just the way the darts were sitting. It made it look like she had breast, which I actually think is quite fun. And then it was it had a lot of detail at the back, but you couldn't see it. And so the story goes that they were rehearsing for le A mis because they were doing a music home in the Oscars, and Amanda Seifered, who was also in the movie, showed Anne hath the Way a picture of her dress that she was wearing to the Oscars the next day, and apparently Anne like lost her mind and I'm assuming just lost her mind and like, oh my god, shit, like because it was nearly identical to her dress, so different designers. Tina's just looking at a picture of the dress. 25:51Speaker 3 Now the dress is quite average. Yeah, I mean, but maybe the back, I don't know. If it was. 25:56Speaker 1 No destroying the woman's life for five years from put that it was okay. 26:02Speaker 3 Yeah. Also a lot of people. 26:04Speaker 1 Wear dresses to the Oscars because it's very serious things. A lot of times that people wear a bit more of a kind of and they want it to look timeless. 26:10Speaker 3 And and she looks beautiful, like if she was in the room she was wearing that phenomenal beautiful. 26:16Speaker 1 She looked beautiful, and I think it's fine. But what happened was, Yes, the story goes that Amanda seiphred and Anne has a way to confirm this happened, but she's never said it was Amanda, but we know, we know showed her photo and Anne was like, oh my god, that's nearly identical to my dress. And we're in the same movie and we're walking the carpet near each other and we're seeing next to each other, like, what am I going to do? So apparently she left and Amanda also left because they were both like, we can't deal with this right now. And so the night before the Oscar she had to find a new dress and that was the pink column dress, and again she won lovely moments. She's always wanted to win an Oscar. Sorry, that's fine, that's fun. That the people started hating her because she got up on stage and it was clearly a rehearsed moment, but she's an actress. What do you want from her? It was clear rehearse moment. She up and instead of speaking, she took a moment of silence. She looked down the Oscar and it's like and she just stared at and then she goes it came true, as in, like I wish for this and it came true. 27:10Speaker 3 Yeah, oh again, is that so fine? 27:13Speaker 1 You? Like she had her Yeah. I just think people were just like. 27:16Speaker 3 Winning an oscar. Just let them do what they want with that moment. Yeah, pretty one. Just let them have antense. 27:22Speaker 1 And I thought that her speech was lovely. It was really heartfelt. She was very overcome, as you would be. And and I feel I can speak like this now because can I say I've always been on the right side of history. I defended Anne Hathaway before it was cool. Yeah, and then she spoke about like sex work and like because her character obviously in the movie, she's like, let Fantine's story kind of be like a reminder to us about this, and like she'd obviously really thought like what is this moment about, what is this character about, and what is the bigger issue? So she did all that, and then people were just like, we're so sick of her, we can't stand her. She's a try hard and the hard thing is is that she kind of I think knew the tide was turning a little bit, but it was until she like a year or so later, when the internet had been hating her for a year or so and very blatant, and was that she sat down to google something about herself because I think it was she was going to do an SNL sketch and she wanted to find a headline about herself to kind of like she had an idea for a joke. She wanted to parry it, so she googled Anne Hathaway and she said all that came up like fill the screen was like ten reasons why we hate Anne Hathaway. Here's why everyone decides they've hated Anne Hathaway. Here's the worst thing about Anne Hathaway. And she was like, oh, sorry, my god, Like yeah, she said. It was really kind of confronting to her to realize how fast spread the hate was. And then she ended up having to do like a magazine cover where she's kissing on it. I think it was Elle where she's kissing and she's like, let's kiss and make up. And I was like, girl, you have nothing to apologize. 28:44Speaker 3 No, no, and hath a ways to apologize. 28:46Speaker 1 Yeah, It's weird that, like again, we see all these men like do and I know that's like kind of a tied take that men and women get treated differently, But it's it's unfortunately very true. Is that we see like men get accused of like they screamed at this one on set, like Adam Driver threw a charity and a donner. 29:02Speaker 3 Literally, why are we not talking about that anymore? 29:04Speaker 1 Well, yes, it was part of their like rehearsal, and she's not angry at him. But also, like you know, and we have all these things of like you know, men cheating or men doing things, or even other actresses sometimes doing worse things. And the worst thing in Hathaway did was just love her to work too much. 29:18Speaker 3 She's just going to work. I've got Jacob Elodie in a million movies right now where like keep going exactly. 29:23Speaker 1 And I also and yes, there are allegations that she was rude and difficult, but we don't have any like there's no proof of that that I can also. 29:32Speaker 3 Rude or difficult or just at work being professional and asking for what. 29:36Speaker 1 She Also, no one's that I can see, No one's gone on the record to say that she was difficult to work with. In fact, it came up in a press conference once. I think it was for Interstellar. I came up on a press conference where a journalist is like, what is it like to be No One as someone who's really difficult to work with it? And it's like oh, and then Jessica Chustin jumps in and she's like, I just want to speak on this that I've worked with this woman twice now and she's not difficult to work with. But it's like saying like that part of the story of never took off, Like No One sort of was like, oh, Jessica Chustin defends Anne Hathaway. They were just like she's. 30:07Speaker 3 There these speculations of her just being lovely to. 30:10Speaker 1 Work Yeah, And there is that interview that went you know, that moment in time where like all the Blake Lively interviews were coming out around like oh, she's awful at interviews, and you watched a super cut of interviews. And it really depends how people edit things a lot of the times and the context around them. But an old interview came up with Anne hathawayen a journalist. It was four laid miss and the journalists keep saying to her it was the same journalist that Blake Lively was accused of being you know, the whole baby interesting and then they were like, oh, look like Blake Lively is getting crucified for being rude to this journalist, which she kind of was that's fair enough. And they were like, look when this like Anne Hathaway was also rude to this journalist. And this clip went viral and it was the journalist saying to Anne Hathaway like, can we can we sing our responses to each other? And apparently other people in lay Miss did it and Anne was like, oh, you can do that. I'm not going to do it. 31:00Speaker 3 That's what I would say. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to sing no. 31:04Speaker 1 And I actually think that's so fine, Like it's it's a hard line of like you're in an interview, sometimes you have to go with the bits. But I also think saying to something like maybe going into an interview and saying to someone, especially if like it's not a pre approved kind of thing, like going into a junkert where it's like every five minutes you're talking to a new journalist and a journalist coming in and saying like can we sing our interview and her being like no, thank you, And it's fair. 31:26Speaker 3 Enough because then it could go in the wrong way, and then that will be the story that spirals out of control, Like you've got to be like thinking a couple of steps ahead on Yeah, what's the output of this got to look like? And a people gonna hate on before it? 31:39Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, And it's so interesting obviously, things like I haven't seen like the full full clip of that in terms of like it wasn't released, Like I haven't seen what happened before the cameras started rolling the cameras afterwards, So I don't know if she was rude or not, but no one cared about that was that isolated clip. And she ended up apologizing to the journalist. Yeah, and because I think she was like, oh god, this is gonna you know, I think. 31:58Speaker 3 The journalist would know as you as well, though, like this could be yes, this could be an I'm gonna shoot my shot. 32:03Speaker 1 I just think it was a moment in time. And then everyone's so back on the inn Hathaway train, as they should be, Like mymorphus loves being held to account for bad behavior. But I just don't know if there's any. 32:14Speaker 3 Bad blockbuster movies that I've seen from her. 32:18Speaker 1 There's nothing that I've seen from her that justifies the level of hatred, except that she just seems to try really hard and she's really earnest and she's a theater kid energy. 32:26Speaker 3 Which I love. 32:27Speaker 1 But I will say, like, having interviewed her myself personally, now. 32:30Speaker 3 She has her friends lovely. 32:33Speaker 1 She was really lovely, and yes, she was very kind of and I've seen her be like this in other interviews. I think because my questions were a bit more serious, which was fine because that's why I wanted. But she gave me really thoughtful answers and I really appreciated that. But I walked in the room to interview her and Meryl for Devil Words prior to too, and there was a bit of a change with the time, and I kind of got when I went in the room, I wasn't sure. I thought I was going into you know how like can go into a junk and you think it's gonna be like a holding area first, and then someone and often there's like a screen and there's all this and the PR person walks around introduces you, and then they take you in and then you're like, oh, okay, like now we're starting. Whereas I open the door and it's just Maryland's oh, right in front of me away, and they were just like oh hell. And I was the first one, so they were just like oh. They were still like settling down, putting their waters down, like Merret was drinking her water because they'd been doing a full day of press. And I was like, oh, hello, and then I didn't even introduce myself because I was like, oh, I'm yeah, and I'm like to the camera and I talked to the camera person instead of them because I said are you filming now? Because I don't want to miss my interviews? And Anne was like like really rolling yeah, you know, it's like high stakes in that room. And Anne was like, oh, sorry, what is your name? And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, it's Laura, and she is all lovely to meet you, Laura. I'm Anne, and this is Meryl. That's really I do know, but like nice to like she was sort of making sure that we had that moment of like seeing each other's names and saying hello. And then I found her really thoughtful and I just watched her because I saw her during that press day. I saw her like do a whole bunch of interviews in the morning and then do all the junk kids and then go and do a fan event that night, and I could feel that she was really like not being cautious, but really trying to make sure that she gave really thoughtful answers and that she was acknowledging people, and that she was giving people what they expected of having their moment with Anne Hathaway in a really intense way of someone who knows what it's like when that goes the wrong way. So I really appreciate it that that's lovely, and I just think it's kind of like now that I'm seeing like even like, so we put up all our Devil Wears prid of clips from the interview that was on the spill, and most of the comments are like lovely and really supportive. But I have this one clip that's got a lot of traction online where I asked her and Meryl, like, because they can't watch The Devil Wes Prita as their favorite comfort movie, what is their like what is their version of The Devil Wears Prata? And Anne gave some really lovely answers. One of them was Moonstruck that she says she watches in bed and with ice cream, which I did over the weekend I haven't seen Moonstruck for ages, but I watched it and I got some ice cream and I was like this, girls on stop like man' the same Shelle. There's also a bunch There was also like a bunch of comments under a TikTok video of people like, look how Ovalish's polite she's been to that interviewer. Look how careful she's been. And then other people were like, oh, yeah, it's because she's like got in trouble before. And everyone's like, oh, I'm getting so sick of her. 35:14Speaker 3 And I was like, guys, none of these are bad things, so she's being too careful. 35:19Speaker 1 Yeah, And I can just see that the tide is not turning against her. But I can just see because she has to be so public this year because she's mailed these movies and just the way the release schedule has fallen, they're all coming out in one go. 35:31Speaker 3 Yeah, even when people like you're so busy this year, like these have been filmed probably over the past like five. 35:36Speaker 1 Years, And I just yeah, And I just find it really interesting that we're even having this conversation in twenty twenty six about like whether or not the table should turn on and Hathaway because she hasn't done anything to deserve that, and it's just justice. 35:49Speaker 3 For Anne Yeas twenty twenty six. 35:52Speaker 1 And it's just it's interesting. As much as we keep having this conversation, it's still like the worst thing that a woman can do in Hollywood is be like two in your face and two in your in terms of like be everywhere and having to promote a movie successful also walking that fine line between like having to be like a little bit self deprecating but also like sometimes very earnest, and it's like everyone's watching you walk this tight rope of like and if you put a foot too far the other way then you have to go. And other actresses have said before, like it's anything happened to Jennifer Lawrence, Like do you remember that when she was everywhere and she won her oscar? It's always when a women wins an. 36:26Speaker 3 Oscar, whenever they're successful, people just want to like really narrow and on things. And I think that's what makes it hard again, just going back to the fact that Anna's just working, she's doing good jobs, she's booking great roles. Why would she turn them down? Yeah, She's got her biggest year ahead of her. There is absolutely no reason to hate someone based on those things. 36:45Speaker 1 No, No, and that thing is like when you ask people because people have just because I've written a lot about this in the past, Like I wrote a big piece about the haf of hate when it first was starting and being like, we need to stop this because all the reasons why, And that piece still bops up on search a lot. Whenever she's in a movie of people like Big Year for You, then yeah, guys read yeah, like I read that piece like eight years ago and every word is still correct of what people have said. But yeah, and whenever like she's in a movie or like when I've interviewed her, like the first people say like, oh, what was she really like? And I was like, she was lovely in a way that you've No one's ever asked me in that tone about any other actress I've interviewed. I've interviewed some mean actresses, to let me tell you, and no one cares about that. But yeah, I just think it's interesting of like how like women come to this moment in Hollywood, like a Jennifer Lawrence, like an nn Hathaway where they searched to popularity and then we decide that they've had too much time in the sun, or they're too quirky, or they're too earnest, and then they have to go and like hide away, I don't want and then they decide to come back again. 37:49Speaker 3 Yeah, they've got it. They've got to buy their time. 37:51Speaker 1 Yeah, so go see Devils prior to go see all of Ann Hathaway's movies. I guess, and I just hope this conversation Petere's out now. 38:00Speaker 3 Thanks so much for listening to the Spill today, And if you want to watch as well as listen, you can now watch us on Apple Podcasts. Just make sure that your iPhone is up to date and switch over to video to see our beautiful faces, or head to the YouTube channel to catch more of our video content, including celeb interviews. 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This morning, Ariana Grande has announced a brand new album, WOOHOO!.  Plus, filming has begun of the movie installment of The Summer I Turned Pretty, and the Friends cast is still making an amount of money that will make you want to quit everything. ☕ Huge news from Ariana Grande  ☕ TSITP is BACK baby!  ☕ Helena Bonham Carter's White Lotus Season 4 replacement announced ☕ The INSANE amount the cast of Friends make in residuals every year   ☕ Ed Sheeran shaves his head for a fresh start and reveals a secret health battle THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see LINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's media SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.Follow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel.Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                        You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Good morning, angels. 00:18Speaker 2 I hope you're having a wonderful harm day, because I have an absolute treat of an episode for you. I'm Ace London and today's tea is so hot I almost didn't want to share it almost Today, Ariana Grande has announced a brand new album, Thanks the Lord. Filming has begun for the summer I Turned Pretty film Lisa Kudrow has casually revealed how much the Friends cast still makes in residuals and it's way more than you think. Anneeded Sheeran has check notes, shaved his head. 00:46Speaker 1 Let's pause, some tea babes, all right. 00:48Speaker 2 Ariana Grande has officially announced her eighth studio album, and it is called Petal and drops July thirty one. Now, with all the wicked action, you might have forgotten something very important, and that is that Ariana is responsible for some of the best pop bangers of the past decade, Dangerous Woman, Yes and Side to Side seven Rings Thank You Next the. 01:06Speaker 1 List literally goes on. 01:08Speaker 2 Ari described the album as something that is full of life and growing through the cracks of something cold and hard and challenging. So Jessic confirmed, we're getting a new Ari album, a tour, and she's starring in a new Fokker in Law film with Robert T. 01:20Speaker 1 Nira and Ben Stilla Lady this year, Someone get this Girl a. 01:23Speaker 2 Massage out of facial stash. Exciting news for fans of the summer I Turned Pretty filmy has officially begun this week for the film installment. First scenes are being shot in Wilmington, North Carolina, and production. 01:35Speaker 1 Is expected to run for about two months. 01:38Speaker 2 The cast are reportedly getting paid for the equivalent of three episodes, which makes sense when you break down timings. Belly, Jeremiah, and Conrad, of course are returning, but additional supporting cast members are yet to be now and so there will no doubt be some surprises to come. Jenny Hahn, who wrote the iconic book trilogy, has hindered that the film will center on another big milestone in Belly's journey, and we're thinking people motherhood. 02:01Speaker 1 Surely she's too young for that. I suppose we'll have to wait and see. 02:04Speaker 2 Now. I know we talked about Helena Bottom Carter exiting White Loatus season four earlier this week, and I promised you I keep you posted on who was stepping in while the answer has arrived and it's a good one. 02:14Speaker 1 Oscar win out. 02:15Speaker 2 Laura Dern has joined the season forecast, stepping in after Helena's exit. Crucially, she's not taking over Helena's role. That character has been scrapped entirely. Instead, Mike White has written a brand new character specifically for her. Now this is not a random casting either. They go way back. They created the HBO cult favorite Enlightened together, for which Durn won a Golden Globe, and whitebrote and directed the two thousand and seven film Year of the Dog with Laura Dern. They were even photographed together having somemovies in La last July, which fans were speculating at a time was a White Lotus meeting. 02:49Speaker 1 It took nine months, but fans, as always, were right, and here we are sticking around. 02:54Speaker 2 Billie Eilish gives us a lesson in astrology, and the Friends cast is still making an obscene amount of money from his jewels. 03:03Speaker 1 Welcome back to your morning tea. 03:05Speaker 2 This next story is either going to delight you or make you want a life faced down on the floor, possibly both. 03:09Speaker 1 Lisa Kudro has revealed in a new interview. 03:11Speaker 2 With the Times of London that the Friend's cast is still earning a jaw dropping amount from the show. I'm talking twenty million dollars in residuals two decades after it ended. Now Friends generates about a billion dollars annually for Warner Brothers through broadcast rights and syndication, and each cast member received two percent of that twenty million dollars a year for a show that wrapped in two thousand and four. 03:35Speaker 1 I'm thrilled for them, and also I need. 03:38Speaker 2 To go and cry in a closet while I lament my measly sayings in super write a quick but important one. 03:43Speaker 1 Next Ed Sheerann has shaved your head. The ginger hair has gone. 03:45Speaker 2 He's bald, and he's explained why in an Instagram post ed wrote, yes, I've shaved my hair. I wanted to shave it to signify a fresh start, a lot of new beginnings in my life at the moment. I love it thinking of keeping it this way. He also revealed he's been privately battling shit she can go for the past month, writing wouldn't recommend it, but on the Men's now it is about to recummens. He's looped to a heading to the Dominican Republic next week, and I'll leave you this. Billy Ailey sat down with l for quick Q and A and included this cheeky astrology Listen, what. 04:15Speaker 3 Is a common misconception about Sagittarius's bitch. Those are not misconceptions, those are true. Here's the thing about astrology. That shit is real. That shit is true. And this is coming from a person who if somebody brought up astrology, I would be like, oh my God, please shut the fuck up. And then I met a Gemini man and I dated as ass and then I believed in astrology. And since then, no matter what, without a doubt, I can recognize a Gemini from a mile away girl. Gemini's amazing life of the party. My favorite people in the world. Male Geminis go to help, so Sagittarius is. Here's the real conception, not misconception, conception about Sagittarius's loud, stubborn, obnoxious, bossy, funny, insane, sexy, good in bed. Yeah, kind of flaky, also a little flaky. 05:13Speaker 1 I'm working on it and I could not love that check anyway. 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First up, the engagement rumours between Harry and Zoe have been swirling for weeks have officially been confirmed by a major outlet. We unpack how some of the world's biggest stars manage to share their life updates without looking "tacky," and why we are officially calling time on the "PR stunt" conspiracy theorists.Plus, production on the new season of one of the world's most anticipated television shows has been thrown into chaos after the A-list lead actress fled the set just days into filming. We dig into the "creative differences" that reportedly led to her sudden departure and look at the wild rumours surrounding who might be stepping in to save the day.And finally, it’s the reality TV leak that has consumed the internet this week. We’re discussing the explosive, top-secret audio recording from the Summer House reunion set that has caused a legal storm, furious producers, and a full-scale digital manhunt to identify the person behind the recording.Love binge-watching TV? 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You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                         From Mom and Me Out. Welcome to This Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm tinner Burk and coming up on the show Shay, real life drama on the White Lotus set with news that the biggest star of the new season has been recast. We're going to get into what really happened, or at least what the reports say are really happening, because it's very messy plus even more drama. It's reality TV meets true crime. The Summer House League explained, and even if you don't like Summer House, you on across it. This was breaking news across the world. There were investigations, celebrities were weighing in. We're going to get into that, but first, some news of a romantic nature.00:38Speaker 2 Yes, some news that you did unpack last week on the Spill, but that has finally we confirmed, And is that Harry Styles is engaged to Zoe Kravitz per People Magazine.00:46Speaker 1 Yeah, so I'm still I mean, I do think they are engaged, just because all the reports are on, I don't know if they're you know, if there's some celebrity couples that are kind of in bed with people and they do covers with them, or they do photo exclusives and things, and so when theyvenues to share, but they don't want to look tucky or they don't want to look like they're sort of fanning the flames of rumors, they'll just have their people confirm two People Magazine. But I don't see Zoey Isabelle Kravatz and Harry I'm sure of his middle name styles doing that.01:14Speaker 3 No, I don't think they're in fair with people.01:16Speaker 2 They're not like like tree Pain calls people up and she gives them the tea on ta like officially not in a bad way, But I don't think they're really like that for sure.01:23Speaker 1 Well, the reason they do that is they're not like some of the other tabloids. I mean, they're not tabloid. And sometimes they do if they run a room, they mark in rumor, which is fair enough, we all do it. But I guess the way that like someone like a tree Pain whose tailor swifts, pubblicers would do that because it's one of the quickest ways to clarify or put out a rumor, and the People Magazine team never breathe a word of it, even though it's kind of widely known who they're speaking to, so it's kind of like a win win situation.01:49Speaker 3 I'm not sure if Zoe and Harry's team.01:52Speaker 1 Is confirming to them, it's probably just someone there in a circle because they're not trying to hide it. Has yaid like yeah, because the quotes are very like, yeah, they're engaged.01:59Speaker 3 She really like three Yeah, thank god.02:02Speaker 2 Because I'd be weird if you didn't. I do think like, first of all, like shout out to all the haters last week who said it was a PR relationship and who.02:09Speaker 1 Oh my god, people, I never live in the fantasy world that these people live, where they think that celebrities get married, have children, spend their whole lives being photographed for PR.02:21Speaker 3 Sometimes for a movie they didn't even want to do.02:23Speaker 2 Yeah, people were like, it's a ring from her line. They're not engaged, is all I have to say to that. But anyone who's fanna Harry like saw it coming as well, because he did all those interviews for like American Girls. His song from his album which I cannot say kissing sometimes and discoing occasionally.02:38Speaker 3 That's the name of the song.02:39Speaker 2 No, that's his badly paraphrased album. The song name is American Girls. No, that should be a song. It should be a song name. But on American Girls. He literally like did a whole interview being like I assessed my life and I saw where do I want to be in five years. I want a family, I want kids, So I do think he was just like, right, Zoe Kravitz, it's with you.02:55Speaker 1 Everyone falls in love with Zoe Kravitz when they date her, like, yeah, we couldn't beating away. Yes, yeah, And she's only said yes three times that we know.03:03Speaker 3 Of, and this is the third one and this is the third.03:05Speaker 1 But she's if you're like the that's high odds if you're getting proposed to all the time, as I believe she.03:09Speaker 2 Would, Yeah, j Reckon, everyone has like did Michael faspend a late day?03:13Speaker 3 And she was like, can badly tried? He would?03:15Speaker 1 He would write it off now, but you just know that boy was like, please marry me, and she was like, no.03:19Speaker 2 No, I can't, pen Bactually I've got other people to marry exactly.03:22Speaker 1 Well. Someone she did say yes to was Channing Tatum, who's done in her movie Blink twice yea, and he put up a little Instagram comment this week that I'm actually kind of more invested in because like the engagement room is, I'm like still a rumor. I'll really believe it when I don't know if we'll see wedding photos. As we said previously, she did share a lot of photos from her wedding to Carl and they had that chic Parisian wedding where she wore the ballet flats. Yeah, but I don't know if this time around the level of fame and intrusion around the two of them, whether they will.03:51Speaker 3 But we'll see.03:52Speaker 1 But anyway, I just want everyone to spare a thought for Channing Tatum today because as news of the engagement was confirmed, I mean it's with the timeline, like definitely within the few days it was confirmed, but in the hour that after People Magazine fran I'm just saying there's.04:07Speaker 3 A correlation and that man like that man's been.04:09Speaker 1 Super famous for a long time. He has dated a lot of high profile women. Channing Tatum knows what he posting his Instagram story will be picked up as part of the news story, so he wanted us to know. I believe how he's feeling right now. So Channing Tatum posted this poem to his Instagram story, My brain and Heart divorced a decade ago over who was to blame about how big of a mess I have become? Eventually they couldn't be in the same room with each other.04:38Speaker 2 It's very Chloe Kardashian of him. Why why Kloia Kardashian, She's always sharing a cryptic Instagram Oh, you should spend more time on her Instagram story.04:46Speaker 1 No, I used to like love following all the Kartashians on Instagram when they would like film inside their like houses and shows, like when it was like kind of like an unedited version of their reality TV.04:54Speaker 2 Now it's like sponsorship, sponsor, sponship. Well, she's still sometimes she has a poem, so you got to get in there. I'm not I'm not going back into the story. I think Channing and he's like, Okay, that's what you do.05:03Speaker 1 We can't be in the same room together. Feels very pointed. I'm sure one day in some magazine profile when he's there's a photo of him looking soulfully off into the distance, a reporter probably from Vanity Fair, We'll ask him about this and he'll be like, no, it was just it was just about my heart and my head kind are the timing? Yeah, like we couldn't be in the same room together.05:23Speaker 3 What do we think?05:23Speaker 2 What's interesting because when they broke up, obviously they were doing press for Blink twice, and they kept saying like the nicest things about each other. I mean, you're not going to go out and be like she's the worst. But at the time they were still really complimentary of each other. And then I kind of think that now it's just like, oh, maybe he's a bit sad.05:38Speaker 3 Oh, I bet he's sad.05:39Speaker 1 No, I bet he's one thing is okay, And first of all, I'm not shading Channing Tatum.05:43Speaker 3 I actually quite like that man. I like him.05:47Speaker 1 He's just a dufist who also has a bit of like a good head on his shoulders for like producing and making movies and kind of and like was like instrumental and kind of building out the magic mic Bran into like a feminist masterpiece. If you've seen this stage show, well, yeah, the stage show is a feminist masterpiece. And I know here's people around him who do that. Ye, Because the one time I think he really could have been outed as a Hollywood jerk was when the Sony email league happened.06:11Speaker 3 Oh do you remember all of his because.06:13Speaker 1 He was like really in bed with Sony with like making Magic Mind and all his movies. I'm not like he could be a terrible person behind the scenes. I'm just saying, like, yeah, he's see I lovely. His private emails were leaked and there are a lot of celebrities who came out of that looking badly, but his were just like, yeah, baby, our movie is so good, like, yeah, we did this, thanks so much for your help, and I'm just getting how are you little? By all accounts greaker, Yeah, exactly. And you know, I feel like Zoe Kravitz wouldn't date a bit of us. She was probably just kind of got like they made that movie together. She was directing, he was the star. They were like really kind of like this creative partnership. And I feel like, maybe, as you're saying, when they kind of finished it and they're just sitting in their apartment together, just the two of them, that's when you go, huh, yeah, maybe is it forever?06:53Speaker 2 And maybe that's what he means by sharing this poem. At this time, he's like he's like my head and my heart couldn't agree, and like maybe in his heart he liked her, but in his head he was like, oh, well, she's not the one for me. No, I feel like she broke up with him for sure. Wasn't that the vibe? I mean, probably she does have the vibe of someone who would like aways with him. Yeah, she's not the nun percent.07:13Speaker 1 And I think the catalyst might have been member when he posted that photo of her sleeping.07:18Speaker 3 You think she saw that photo and she went too much. I think she got the ick.07:21Speaker 1 I think she already had the ike because they were back from filming, like they're on an island and they're like.07:25Speaker 3 Filming on location.07:26Speaker 1 They're making this like intense movie, and she was like, oh my god, he's an incredible like filmmaker and actor and we're collaborators. And I think they got back to their apartment and where they're just having their downtime. And that's when it's why so many people like broke up during lockdown. It's like, oh, do I really want to sit on the couch to this person forever?07:41Speaker 3 Not really? And then he posted this photo.07:44Speaker 1 Of her sleeping and with a lovely caption about how creative and credible she was, but it did give an air of desperation that he knew she was one foot out the door, and he tried to win her back with an Instagram story. And now he's posting to an Instagram story about his heartbreak.07:59Speaker 2 It's very poetic and lovely when you think about it.08:01Speaker 3 I mean, I don't love it.08:02Speaker 2 If I was him, I would keep quiet and like keep someone lure and mystery the moment in time.08:07Speaker 1 And also he's in his early forties and he's dating I believe they're still together a woman in her I'm going to say late twenties, mid twenties. Yeah, so at the end of the day all met at the same And also he's fine. I'm so can you imagine being her today? You're like, Hey, did you just post a cryptic messages?08:22Speaker 3 Yeah? Ex got engaged to Harry Styles.08:23Speaker 1 Interesting choice, Yeah, interesting, Well thoughts and pros with that girl when I'm really thinking of Yeah, I'm sure everyone else is fine.08:28Speaker 3 Yeah.08:30Speaker 2 So production on season four of The White Lotus officially kicked off this week in France, and we were all very excited about it because the car sounded really incredible. It is sort of a new French location vibe. We're not on a boat now, we're near where there are boats. So essentially this one is going to be like set at the Can Film Festival. There's going to be two luxury hotels, the Hotel Martinez, which will be like the White Lotus Can. So they've moved away from filming at four Seasons for this one, and then the next will be the Chateau Della. I'm going to say this is really bad Messadier in Santrope, which is going to be the White Lotus do cap. So it's kind of like a rich, luxurious background. There's gonna be Ken Film Festival filming, which will actually kick off on May twelve, So I think they're actually going to film at the festival, which is cool, and we'll be a lot of fun because I'm sure there will be some celebrity cameos. But the actual cast itself was very impressive when it was first announced. So you've got like Alexander Ludwig, who I know from The Hunger Games but other people would know from Vikings, AJ Michayla, Steve Coogan, Christmasina, Sandra Bernhard, Max Greenfield. The most exciting one though, was when Helena Bodham Carter was announced, so she was one of the first ones announced. It was all very tizzy and very exciting because also as much as I love her, she's not necessarily I would think someone i'd picture on the White Loaders.09:42Speaker 3 I don't know about you.09:43Speaker 1 No, no, no, she doesn't really do TV like she does. She is kind of u She's a character actress, but she does a lot of big blockbusters. And she's also very careful that she said now also at this point her career of what she says yes to and who she wants to work with. She is one of those actresses who is which is only a small number of women in Hollywood who get a huge amount of offers and can actually pick and choose what they want. And she has also been very vocal in the past of only working with certain directors and filmmakers. So one like, she's a huge star. She's definitely the biggest name of this cast by far. And it was kind of an unwritten thing from Mike White, who's the creator and writer of The White Lotus, that she was going to be the center point or the lynchpin for the story. So you got this idea that they had met many times they had this collaboration and he had kind of centered everything around her. And the crazy thing is like recasting a role, even a huge role like that, is not unheard of, you know, like a Hollywood production or a TV show, but very very rarely when you're on set, especially a set like this where you've brought because famously the White loatus doesn't film in chunks and different locations. They bring the whole cast together and kind of lock them in. There's like summer camp vibe at like a beautiful resort and location and kind of shoot it all in one go with everyone on set at the same time. So the fact now that the star has led the premises is crazy.11:03Speaker 3 Yes.11:03Speaker 2 So over the weekend, it was announced to The Hollywood Reporter that Helena was dropping out of season four and it was quote like just days into shooting, so that actually started and then all of this happens. So what the Hollywood Reporter has said is with filming just underway in season four, it's become apparent that the character Mike White created for Helena Bonham Carter did not align once they got to say it, once they started filming. And this is from a HBO spokesperson, so it's also not rumor. Yeah, they said the role has subsequently been rethought, they're rewriting it. It's going to be recast in the next few weeks. The producers and Mike White are sad and they won't get to work with her, but they remain quote ardent fans and very much hope to work with the legendary actress on another project soon. So obviously that came out over the weekend, very formal, very official.11:44Speaker 1 It is, And like, I just I just feel like something bigger has definitely happened. Yeah, for like production to be stopped like that and for her to just like not be in the role at all, and what kind of creative differences have happened behind the scenes for them not to be able to get this character to work in this setting, because it is a huge deal now in the middle of production, and Mike White is you know, he speaks about being so meticulous about his casting because the casting is really what makes the White lotus every year because it's the same formula. We know there's going to be a death, that it's the sort of the same thing over and over again. The only thing that we're really tuning in for is all these different characters and their dynamics and how they come across. And so he has said before he's so specific about who he casts, and other actresses have said that we don't usually audition, but we auditioned for the White Lotus because that's just what you have to do. And he writes parts for people sometimes, like he did for Helen Us. So I just feel like something quite crazy has happened. I mean, not even crazy. I just want to for it got there and he was giving her direction to notes and she was just like doing her interpretation because that's what she kind of does, like she interprets her characters, and it just didn't align to the point that she hopped on a private jet out of there.12:56Speaker 2 And I love her deally and she is an excellent actress, but I also feel a lot of the time when I see her on screen, it is very similar, and I do, Yeah, I wonder if you're right, and like maybe the vibe of what he wanted to bring out in her just wasn't what she wanted to give.13:09Speaker 3 Maybe, yeah, I mean, also don't I mean, I don't know.13:11Speaker 1 I think also, you get to a stage in your career, and like I feel like Helena would be there where She's been in the industry for like well over three decades now, and you kind of get an idea of like how you want to work and how you want to shape things. And she is such a if you listen to interviews with her, likeath interviews that she's done, she's such a kind of like on Hollywood Straight Talker and doesn't stuffer fools. Not that I think my wife is a fool, but I also just think that like she just got there and she it didn't really work out. I guess the one kind of good thing is that because they have all the casts there, they've been able to pull all of the scenes forward, so they haven't had to fly people in and like all that sort of stuff. They've just been able to keep filming while they recast this role. Yeah, but it's I mean, it does happen sometimes. Remember when Stuart townsmen I mean not remember because we're not there, went to the Lord of the Ring set and started filming the role of Aragon and then they're like, it's actually it's not going to work, so you just need to sorry, like thanks for coming to New Zealand thanks for putting on the outfit. Yeah, and we're going to fly you out. And an actor called Vigo moreess fly little guy, pay no attention to you put on the way.14:13Speaker 3 I mean, it has to happen.14:14Speaker 2 Sometimes sometimes you do get to set and realize that a dynamic or a grouping doesn't work, or that like, hey, you did a chem test, but actually as we try to bring it together, it's not working. Yeah, which is something The Daily Mail has suggested. So an anonymous source has told The Daily Mail that the word is Helena left because of a clash with Sandra Bernhard.14:33Speaker 1 I mean, I kind of almost want that to be true. I would like it to be true.14:38Speaker 2 They're denying the claim, but I'm interested to know if something has happened.14:43Speaker 1 If that happened, that will definitely come out, because it'll come out from Sandra or Helena, Like one of them will say it.14:49Speaker 3 Yeah. They won't keep that quiet. They just don't.14:51Speaker 1 They're not on social They're not going to like tweet it or instare it or anything like that. But one of them will say it one day and like.14:56Speaker 2 Potentially, yeah, it could come out in an interview one day.14:59Speaker 3 I mean the White.15:00Speaker 2 This is like known for having a scandal here and there.15:02Speaker 1 It's always one scandal every season, but it's like almost like scandal light.15:07Speaker 3 It's just like they're never crazy.15:08Speaker 1 It's never like, as far as we know, like a big blowout fight or it's never like, you know, two married people hooking up.15:15Speaker 3 I think it's.15:16Speaker 2 Because not that they were married, but Ami Leewood and Wilton Goggins on following each other and that whole drama.15:21Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, I was that crazy, but that was crazy.15:24Speaker 2 That was even still that felt drama light because they kind of buried it and did stuff together afterwards.15:28Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, no, that's definitely That's definitely the big one.15:31Speaker 1 But I normally get the vibe that it doesn't spill over into social it's more just like as if like your colleagues and you are away for a month and like all these alter personal dramas and and all the stuff like blow up around like who's going to the beach together and who's going to lunch? And then everyone said they all organize a dinner every night, and like not everyone goes to every dinner like politics.15:51Speaker 2 Well yeah, last season it was something to do as well with like Jason Isaacs not getting on with everyone, and then he just kept dropping tea and everyone.15:58Speaker 1 Get Jason Isaacs on set. He was the only one giving us information last time around, and it's just unfortunate he wasn't super cross what was happening, because you just know that if he knew what was happening.16:10Speaker 2 We would know get him on the New white Land, we'd be getting like a four part Red Carpet Answer series.16:15Speaker 1 I know.16:15Speaker 2 So obviously now they're like working to figure out who's going to be the new Helena Bonham Carter. Like while actively filming, as you said, they're able to kind of bring forward other scenes. But there are rumors that Jennifer Tilley is in talks to replace her.16:29Speaker 3 That would I think that's a good fit.16:31Speaker 2 Yeah, so if anyone who doesn't know, she's currently a real housewife of Beverly Hills and a successful career poker player, but she's also like an Academy or nominee. She's like Chucky. He loves that sort of like a bit of stunt cast. Yeah, a stunt casting. I am intrigued of, like what exactly that role entailed that you would replace someone like Helena with someone like Jennifer.16:51Speaker 3 Yeah, that's a that's a swing, isn't it.16:53Speaker 1 I just like when you said that, I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense because Mike White like it's crazy. Well, no, yes, he is a creative genie. But like, if you didn't want Helena, why would you go and cast another like critically acclaimed British actors, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, obviously whatever he wanted from that character is not he's not getting from her, and she can do like she does like a lot of times, do a similar kind of vibe of her, like quirky character, but got the rain. She has a lot of range, and so he couldn't get it out of her. Maybe the right thing to do is to go in completely the opposite direction and get the poker playing housewife to do it.17:31Speaker 3 Because otherwise you're just recasting the same kind of actress and they would she would give the same kind of thing.17:35Speaker 2 Yeah, And I mean, like, not a lot is known at this stage, but I'm assuming with her being one of the first that she was also going to be one of the most central to the plotline. So it's also like very important obviously that they get this right to fit in with everyone else. But also you don't have much time. This isn't like a case of like, oh, we've got years to film, like they can't film festival starts in two weeks.17:54Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're clearly going to film it, and they only have these like locations booked out for a certain amount of time. It's because book out a hotel that is your set and also where the carts live, and you only had that hotel.18:04Speaker 3 I mean, I'm sure there's a buffer.18:06Speaker 1 On either end, not us getting worried about the production timeline. For the White Loaders, there's a buffer on either end, but like how big is that buffer? Yeah, because they're shooting quite quickly and you only have all those actors on hold for a certain amount of time to shoot, and then they often have built into their contracts like to come back and do reshoots. But again, the White Lotus films so differently, yes, that they usually do knock it all over in like one series, and everyone like leaves the camp they've been staying at.18:31Speaker 3 Yeah, it's absolutely wild.18:32Speaker 2 What I do hope happens though, is that they set an entire episode in like the period of a standing ovation at camp because gos for like twenty minutes. If you had different povs, you could fill a forty minute episode.18:43Speaker 1 It's an entire episode just from a standing ovation point of view, and like, I'm sure they will absolutely again Mike White, he's on the case.18:49Speaker 2 He's a bit busy on the case. He's lost his cast, but he's on the case otherless.18:54Speaker 1 So this is the year that I became very invested in reality TV because.18:59Speaker 3 Of the show. Well done to me. I thought I was better than everyone else.19:02Speaker 1 Turns out I'm not mad, and that was because of a show called Summer House. I've also never been into true crime before, but recently I find myself very invested in true crime also because of Summer House.19:16Speaker 2 Yeah, you put on your little FBI hat and you're ready to go.19:18Speaker 3 Me and everyone else in the world.19:20Speaker 1 Like, if you've been on any sort of social media platform grouped had anything over the last couple of days, you would have heard about the Summer House league breaking news. Obviously, big things happening in the world, but this was a bit of a fun for all of us. So, as we've said before on two episodes that we've covered, this, Summer House a reality TV show on Bravo that's been running for ten seasons, is in the midst of a huge scandal because two cast members, Amanda Patula and West.19:45Speaker 3 I want to say, Wilson not important. That man isn't Wes Wilson.19:49Speaker 1 The name of Ryan Reynolds in Deadpool is I don't know something to information, No, I know, I don't think it is. Those two hooked up and confirmed their relationship, which was a huge drama because Amanda was newly separated from her husband, Kyle Cook, also a member of the Summer House, actually a founding member since season one. But the bigger thing was is that Sierra Miller, a very beloved star of Summer House, had had a very intense relationship love story with West and was very very close friends with Amanda. So betrayal across the board. So up until this moment, people involved in the situation have given a few interviews. Wes did like a little meandering story on his podcast. Amanda put up something on her Instagram story saying she had to get it to real life, but she knows she's hurt people. Kyle Cook's giving interviews on the street. Sierra did a Glummer magazine cover kind of explaining her story. But everyone has really been waiting for the Summer House reunion because if you don't watch Bravo, which I personally didn't until the last year and a half, is that they released the season and then a few like well many months after the season has wrapped, but a few weeks after the final episode has aired, they have a reunion hosted Andy Cohen where all the carts come back together and they look back on this season and they have a few laughs, but mostly they air grievances and they fight out kind of things that have happened. So all eyes have been on the Summer House and reunion because not since scandal, not since the vander Pump Rules situation, with a cheating scandal of a much more intense but equally important kind of layer, not since that happened have people been tuned in for a reunion like they have for the Summer House reunion. And then we found out it was happening, and the casts were pictured going into the reunion. They were pictured leaving West and Amanda very infamously were photographed leaving together.21:37Speaker 3 She was wrapped in a blanket. I'm sure why.21:40Speaker 1 It's very cool, stressful, Well, she wasn't covering her face, but maybe she just needed a security blanket. And then like everyone's like, it's this brand of blanket, and then the brand came out, was like it's not us, we wouldn't be associated.21:51Speaker 3 So like tensions were high.21:52Speaker 1 Yeah, and Andy Cohen even filmed himself afterwards being like, okay, we filmed the Summer House reunion and he said, you know, I've been doing this for a long time. I've done over one hundred reunions and nothing I've seen has been as intense as this. And everyone's like, oh my god, this is going to be crazy. And then a day or so later, a piece of audio from the Lockdown Secretive set was leaked online and no one can even trace like where it just like it just appeared all of a sudden.22:19Speaker 3 It was just everywhere. I was convinced it was Ai. I was like, you're not going to get me today, I.22:23Speaker 1 Know exactly, and everyone's like, this is Siero, this is a man. I'm like, no, it's not like I listen to it and it was an audio leak from set. Now we're not going to play it because one legal issues, but a bigger, a bigger issue is that Andy Cohen asked everyone not to. He's like, yes, Andy Cohen took a real approach. He has been very intense about this. That man has been through the ring. Oh my god, the like it broke kind of late at night and then like looking like I was watching it all unfold on like threads and Insta comments and TikTok comments and like it was everywhere and everyone was like, oh my god, this leak is crazy, this audio is crazy, and so many fans are like, don't look, Andy, don't look when you wake up. And then when Andy Cahn woke up, he's like, I've seen it. He's replying to fans. He's like, I've seen it. I'm on my way to have eye surgery. Oh my way to ie surgery. He's like, I'm so disappointed, and this person will be found. So the audio itself, you listened to it, right.23:14Speaker 2 Yeah, In my favorite parties they do will have kind of different accents. So you're like, cool, that's siarah great. Yeah, oh you can se clearly.23:20Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess because they're sitting on a sound stage and they're micd So even though we'll get to how the recording happened, but like it's clear as day what everyone is saying. And so you hear Kyle kind of questioning West and Amanda. You hear Lindy another cast from the show who's like very outspoken and is a real kind of like tell the truth kind of person, sort of calling them out. You hear Wes just bumbling away like a slimeless and I don't dislike Wes, but like this a few years ago when he treated Sierra really badly, said he was in love with her, pursued her for a whole season. She finally kind of gave in to him. He's like, this is a nice guy. He took her to meet his family, and she has like a different relationship with her family. This is getting the weeds, and she was like, this is and she's like and also there's a huge racial element too, because Sarah was the first woman of color to be a main cast member on the show, and when she was with West, when the breakup happened, she got a lot of really racially charged hate against her. And then it's been a thing on the show of all the guys want to hook up with herb but that don't actually want to date her and be her girlfriend.24:21Speaker 3 And she's had to talk about the fact that and.24:23Speaker 1 She's like a real relationshippy girl. Yeah exactly. And she was like, you guys don't understand like the extra layer of like we all get fan criticism being on a reality TV show, but the extra layer of criticism and backlash that I get and the way people talk about me in the way I get treated, the way publications talk about me is so so so different.24:41Speaker 3 So West took her.24:42Speaker 1 To meet his family and then that was a big deal for her, as it would be for anyone, Like she's not crazy. She was like, Oh, this guy really likes me, and like all this happened off camera, so this was like a real relationship happening away from the camera. And then he broke up with her via an op ed in the New York Times.24:58Speaker 2 People need to stop doing New York Times opinions. I mean, because I love it, but like stop.25:02Speaker 1 Yeah.25:02Speaker 3 He was like, yeah, I just don't think that we were each other's person. That's okay.25:06Speaker 1 And then she was like, how about you tell me that before you go off and like give interviews about how I'm not your person anyway. So the rest of Summer House since Nan has been about them sort of coming back together, and here ty Win her back and just this week, as the audio leak was happening, they had a whole episode dedicated to them going off and having this really intense conversation and crying, and they ended up hugging and hugging and hugging and she was like, I think we can be best friends again.25:31Speaker 2 Do you think the producers went back and changed the season storyline potentially, yes, so that we got more of this, Yes.25:38Speaker 3 I think.25:39Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, it is hard to say, because they do have the footage for a long time, and they do like there is the potential to have it edited and had the whole season set before it comes out. I don't think they kind of show that's editing in like almost like real time to yeah, like it's me mass but yeah, exactly. It's not the kind of show where they're editing week to week. But the way that this last few episodes have been constructed with like so much on Western Sierra, but also so much on like how West and Amanda.26:07Speaker 2 Yeah, there was where she bought him a drink and I was like, this is suspicious.26:11Speaker 3 I know, Kyle's like right there, and I like all that poor silly beare.26:16Speaker 1 So yeah, potentially they have just added in I don't think they've changed like so much of what happened to storyline, because it is kind of set while they're filming, like they have producers coming over and tellme, like, now you guys are going to have an argument. You guys are going to do this, so we're going to film you guys together. But I do wonder if they added in a few more scenes because now that show has so many more eyes on it. So the audio came out, and so it's Kyle questioning them, it's Lindsay chiming In, It's Jesse Solomon, who's another cast member who was like really good friends with West chiming In. It's West being like, oh, the reason we put that statement out is because everything just blew up so fast, and like very famously last time Sierra confronted him about breaking up with her public and he just said nothing the whole time, like he he doesn't have a like a back bone when these things happen. The big kind of moment from this leaked audio that made it so explosive was like it really showed us the moment where Siara and Amanda have their confrontation.27:13Speaker 3 The audio kind of picks up where.27:14Speaker 1 Amanda is saying like, you can't help who you like, and you can't help what you do in this situation. And she was like, you know, I'm single, and Siah's like, you're not. You're still legally married. And then Amanda fires back to her, what was I supposed to do, like stay celibate until I get divorced, until a judge signs the papers.27:30Speaker 3 What was I supposed to do? Never date anyone?27:32Speaker 1 And then Siah's coming back and saying, but you didn't have to date like your friend's ex. And then she and this is a really explosive part, she goes, you are a sneak in the grass, Amanda, silent but deadly. You are a sneak, can you men?27:45Speaker 2 And it's amazing because Sierra's accent is so fucking delightful, Like, oh my god, I love when she speaks.27:50Speaker 3 She's on the South. Yeah, it's so good. Fair enough look for me.27:54Speaker 2 I don't think anything's ever going to top Ariana telling Rachel when scandal happened, like go fuck yourself with the cheese grater.28:00Speaker 3 That was crazy. So we haven't seen the whole reunion, but that is a.28:02Speaker 2 Close second, and it showed like I just think at the end of the day, like what we do remember but Alo sometimes forget is these are real people, yah, and this is happening in real time, Like that reunion was fresh after all of this happened, So like, I love that she got a moment to stand up for herself, but it's still just like and apparently.28:18Speaker 1 They did film for about ten hours, so that's like the clip itself is like forty seconds. Oh. The other thing that was confirmed that we talked about when this news first broke, which I always said, ikey of true and now it is true, is that Amanda said their hand was forced because an intimate video was taken. So there was always this rumor that the whole story broke because someone filmed her and West in his apartment like before they're about to have sex some while she was getting changed and they were talking about the video. So in this Amanda was saying, so she's like, I hadn't seen the video, but like we had to get a statement out before the video was released.28:50Speaker 3 And there's a rumor that.28:51Speaker 1 Ceria met with a fan who had the video. So that's all still to come.28:54Speaker 3 Yeah.28:55Speaker 1 So then everyone started questioning, well, who leaked the video? And first of all, or I turned to the cast of Summer House and everyone was trying to figure out who was sitting where, and they were like, it's it must have been kJ, who's like a new cast member came in his West friend now very off West in his team Sierra everyone, so you can tell by the sound the audio that it's kJ And someone's like, no, no, no, it's Jesse. When he talks, his voice is like a slightly different level to everyone else.29:21Speaker 3 And then everyone's like, no, no, no, it was Kyle.29:23Speaker 1 And then there was even a theory that went for a long time that it was Amanda and West who put it out because they.29:29Speaker 3 They would be a bad move.29:30Speaker 1 I mean, who would even know at this stage, but that was the story. Everyone's like, oh, West and Amanda have leaked it themselves. Was the room for a long time because they were unsure of how it was going to be edited together and where they would get a villain edit. And they thought that bit of them saying like, well, our hand was forced. A video was out there. We had to do this right. We like him saying like we had to get that statement at her saying like, well, you can't help her, you like would put them in a better favor than an edited version. So that all happened. All the different Summer House people were saying no it was and asked like all the cast members. Kyle Cook put up a video saying it wasn't him. And he also said like when we're filming these reunions, security on set is really tight, and you have your phone with you, it has to be turned off and like zipped into one of the couch cushions. So he's like, how would you even get it out without anyone scene to film it.30:17Speaker 2 I mean you could just pressure record before you went in, Kyle, but plot hole anyway.30:21Speaker 3 Well, I think they get checked that they're turned off.30:23Speaker 1 They're like everyone's phone turned off, like they like they've been doing this.30:26Speaker 3 For twenty years. Like you feel like if someone's gonna like it.30:29Speaker 1 Yeah, And he also said that all the hair and mancup people who come out and do the touch ups are locked dinner not locked. I'm sure they can go to the bathroom and get water. They get taken back to the makeup room. So then on set for filming and then they get brought out for touch ups. So he's like, so they couldn't record either, And then the roommate came out that it was potentially someone from production who there was like speakers in other rooms because you know, like you have the feedback in the audio and stuff that they had put a phone up against a speaker to recorders or hell broke loose.30:58Speaker 2 Yes, and like he was like, it's disgusting and illegal. Yeah, he was like intense, Oh my god, he was.31:04Speaker 1 So he was like, this person will be found and if it was you, like you know, watch exactly, and he's like, we don't tolerate this. And it was so funny because I saw so many people being like, oh my god, it wasn't even at the Summerhouse reunion and I'm getting nervous. That made me with me, Everyone's like, was it accidentally me? So then it came out. Then Bravo released the same and saying we got them, we found the person.31:27Speaker 3 That person, yeah, that person. Bravo haven't said yet, who know, they haven't said who it is.31:31Speaker 1 They said it wasn't anyone from the car, so they put that information in the official statement. They said it was someone within the production, but they haven't said who it is who took an illegal recording and that they are being dealt with, and that I asked, has anyone's seen this person again they get disappeared by Bravo. I wouldn't put a pass, bro, I don't if there's anyone I'm not crossing, it's freaking Andy Cohen. No. That man is like a mastermind and he does not take. He the one thing he doesn't take is like any kind of slander or anyone messing with his shows. Yeah. Sa Michell Geller the other day just said like, oh I don't like this new season and whatever Housewives she was watching, and he went online.32:04Speaker 3 He's like, how dare she like? He doesn't suffer it? Yeah?32:08Speaker 1 So yeah, God God rest that poor soul, who I'm assuming could be.32:12Speaker 2 Someone from Sound Productions. To me, all of it sounded pretty level. I know, people were really like, oh, it's also different. I just thought it all sounded like Mike pickup, yeah, which would indicate someone from Sound Probably.32:23Speaker 1 Well again this person who I'm gonna go ahead and allegedly is no longer with us. This person, apparently Andy said on his podcast Just that was released today that they had a team of investigators on it who were like forensically breaking down the different sound, Like this is how serious it is because also there's money, there's legal things and everything.32:43Speaker 2 I mean, if anything, I think this is going to get people to watch it. Oh but people already gonna watch it.32:48Speaker 3 Yeah.32:48Speaker 1 So apparently Andy said they found the culprit via like forensic investigation of sound. But also this is the thing, this is how crazy Bravo fans are, and like full respect to them and never cross them. Is that he said that the Bravo fan pages and like accounts everything were on it in such an extreme way, and they were passing on information about who the league was, Like they were zoning in on this person from like across the world in their fan groups. They were hunting this person down. And Andy's saying that a fan came forward with the crucial information, like they cracked the code a fan.33:20Speaker 3 What did a fan have?33:21Speaker 1 Well, he said, well, knowing we'll know soon, but we don't know now. A fan figured it out and passing information onto Andy Cohen, which allowed this person, who I'm assuming is down de ceased. I'm just like, I'm assuming it's own deceased to be caught and dealt with by the proper authorities within Bravo, because Bravo's a self servicing world, whereas I feel like they don't. They have their own rules of how to.33:42Speaker 3 Deal with people.33:42Speaker 1 Do you think they're going to need like a reunion for the reunion because Andy's gonna have to give us like a four part series A they edit that freaking union down to two hours when they have ten hours of footage. God help me, Andy Cohen, I'll leak something myself.33:54Speaker 2 But you know, well you wouldn't know because you don't really want ch ows wives. But you know, like on Housewives, when there's like a throwback, it's like black and white and like the camera's always shaky. Yeah, and there's that really specific like Hou's Wives and music it's like d and then like I just am picturing that. But if someone listening to audio waves, they have to have filmed the investigation.34:13Speaker 3 Oh, I mean god, I hope. So yeah.34:15Speaker 1 Now the question just remains why did they do it? Because yes, the simplest and always I guess the main reason for everything is money. But also no one outlet leaked it as a e exclusive. It just was like disseminated to a bunch of outlets, so did all those outlets pay? But also that couldn't be tracked, so did this person not get any money? The theory is that they did it because they didn't want Amanda in West. This is getting in the weed because everyone's like those producers work with these people for years and they feel betrayed as well, and they didn't want Amanda and West to get a good edit, and they didn't want them to be protected the way they potentially could have been, because Amanda is in another rapin off show and potentially Wester is as well, and so they wanted people to see how they really were in the reunion.34:58Speaker 3 I don't know.34:58Speaker 2 That's a prodlicting story, yeah, because ones like Western Amanda wanted to get it out to show that good people, and the other is like, no, they're awful and we're going to prove it.35:05Speaker 3 Yeah, so we.35:07Speaker 1 Don't know yet, but like there's a lot of theories around. But anyway, that is a summer house leak.35:12Speaker 2 I didn't think it could get any worse last week, Like I thought we were at the peak.35:16Speaker 1 It's not airing the Ringion for a few more weeks. 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This morning, it appears Harry Styles really has left the dating pool forever and I think we all need a moment. Plus, Jessica Biel has apparently had ENOUGH of Justin Timberlake and honestly sis, same, and Taylor Swift is legally trademarking herself which is the most Taylor Swift thing that has ever happened. ☕ It would appear Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz actually are engaged ☕ Jessica Biel issues Justin Timberlake an ultimatum and the man only has himself to blame ☕ Taylor Swift trademarks her voice because if AI wants her, it can pay for it ☕ Melania Trump wants Jimmy Kimmel fired and the whole thing is genuinely unhinged ☕ House of the Dragon Season 3 teaser trailer drops so get ready to watch 400 people get stabbed THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see LINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's media SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. 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Tyler Swift is taking on the AI industry, and Milania Trump wants Jimmy Kimmel fire because of course she does. Let's pause some tea, Okay, let's start with the big one. It would appear that Zoe Kravitts and Harry Styles might actually be engaged. We first reported on this last week, and honestly, by now I expected one of them to come out and say, namah, it was just some costume jewelry that Zoe sometimes wears on that finger and so far, no such a bottle. A source confirmed to People Magazine that Harry and Zoe have shared the news with a small circle of family and friends. The couple were first wanted together last summer in Rome and have been inseparable ever since. And generally, when it comes to this sort of thing, people know their stuff because when people kind of announce it, it's generally a pretty good sign. Zoe was previously married to actor Kyl Gluseman and then engage to Channing Tatum before they caught things off in late twenty twenty four. What I love about all of this is that Zoe doesn't have a type. None of those men look, feel, or vibe. Similarly, she does not discriminate. Get a girl. Now, this one's been bubbling for a while and it's now reached a new level. So according to The Daily Mail, Jessica Bial has issued Habi justin Timberlake with an ultimatum over his behavior, and sources say there's not much more she can take. The report says the Bill has had enough of a string of incidents, including his twenty twenty four DUI arrest in subsequent release of bodycam footage Jelly, this year recent trip to Las Vegas, where eye witnesses told Page six he appeared to be under the influence, and his own golf invitational in the afternoon. A source told the outlet she does everything with the kids, and she's stick of being publicly embarrassed. There's not much more she can take now. Unnamed sources and tabloid marriage reports should always be taken with a grain of salt. The pattern of behavior here is documented and very public. The dy, the meme, the bodycam footage, the Vegas golf tournament. Jessica has stood by this man through a lot, and generally speaking, when these reports start emerging, it's often kind of in order to pave the way, so to speak. So we'll just have to wait and see. Stick around. Taylor Swift is trademarking her own voice to protect against AI Malaney. Trump is demanding that the ABC fire Jimmy Kimmel and one for the Game of Thrones fans, welcome back to you morning Tea. Taylor Swift is far the three trademark applications with the US Paytent and Trademark Office, and the movie is specifically designed to protect her against AI misuse. I mean, it's terrifying that people have to do this, but honestly, if I was I would do the same thing. Two of the applications are around trademarks covering her voice secifically the phrases hey It's Taylor Swift and Hey It's Taylor. The third is a visual trademark covering a specific photograph with her on stage holding a pink guitar in a multicolored iridescent bodysuit and silver boots. You know the one. We all know the one. Taylor's likeness has already been used without permission in AI fakes, including metas AI chatbods, pornographic images, and famously in twenty twenty four, when Donald Trump shared AI generated images falsely suggested she endoorstam Ill. She's following in the footsteps of Matthew McConaughey, who's successfully trademark Alright, alright, alright last year. Jimmy Kimmel is back at it again, and by it, I mean pissing off the Trumps. He made a joke on his show last Thursday in which he said that Mlania Trump had a glow like an expectant widow. The Joe gave two days before the White House Cross Bondent dinner, which was evacuated after shots for fired outside the venue. Milania has since posted on next calling for ABC to fire Kimmel, writing Kimmel's hateful and violent rhetoric is intended to divide our country. His monologue about my family isn't comedy. His words are corrosive and deep into political sickness within America. Enough is enough, It's time for ABC this take a stand. This is not the first time Jimmy Kimmel has been pulled into this kind of controversy. Of course, he was previously suspended in twenty twenty five after he made comments following the death Charlie Kirk, before reinstating him less than a week later. I med a significant public backlash. Kimmel and ABC have not yet publicly responded. And now, for anyone who has been waiting very patiently for more Dragons in their life, your prayers have been answered. House of the Dragon season three trailer has struggle well to tease a trailer, and now we have an official premiere date. The eight episode season kicks off June twenty one, and new episodes are airing weekly through the season finale on August Night. As expected, things look and gory. All that remains is for you to decide what you want from this war. You will do things that your heart would have recoiled from before you came to the throne. The tak Arians are savage race. We act with holy purpose, So a score a rightful king. I'm going to kill my brother or die in the attempt. Draw your sword. Show runner Ryan Condall said in a video message, this is a huge season. It's the biggest we've had by any margin. It's dark, it's funny, it's action packed, it's emotional, and of course it has lots and lots of dragons. And that is it for me, my loves, but the girls will be back in your feeds at three pm with the spill Dip dive for your entertainment news. Wanting Tea is hosted and produced by me Ash London with executive producer Many sars Warren. 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With The Devil Wears Prada back on the big screen, we've been completely fixated on Andy's transformation from “frumpy” assistant to head-to-toe haute couture. It has sent us straight down a rabbit hole of the greatest makeover sequences cinema has ever given us.Because here's the thing. Yes, they're a little problematic, unhinged in their logic, and we are not even slightly sorry about how much we love them.We're breaking down the most monumental movie makeovers, why they've aged the way they have, and why we completely lose our minds every time the dramatic music plays and the transformation is revealed.  Speaking of iconic makeover scenes, listen to our Brutally Honest Review of Clueless here.  THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.                                                                   From Mama Mia. Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Tita Previs, and we have a very special episode for you today, one that I have been dying to do for so long because this is a special interest area of mind. So I'm so glad you're here for my moment that I got to share with you. We are doing the best movie makeover scenes that yes, might be seen as problematic, but we desperately love them. I love them. What do you think they're problematic? Well? I think well, I'm just gonna take my feminist hat off and put it in the corner. I'm gonna actually put it outside the studio, pick it up later on the way out, because I guess these like these movie makeover montages that have become such a big part of in particular romantic comedies. One is obviously we're both going to share our favorite ones. We don't know what the other person's going to say, but I'm assuming you don't have any men on your list, because I don't have any men on my lise. 00:53Speaker 2 You do, I do, But how rare is that it's rare, And that's why exactly exactly exactly. 01:00Speaker 1 So all the makeover scenes in movies, especially wrong cooms, always happen to women, and they always famously go one way. More men should be having makeups. Yeah, let's make it see men, I know. But if you rubits have tried to do that, has it really landed? I just mad it every day? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely real mount the Street, let's make them over. I think it's a famous shell queer right. Well, these makeovers always go one way, so that's I think that's where the kind of problematic issue has come over the years is that the woman always comes out, she's always like tenned, she always has like a ton of makeup on, she gets her glasses taken off, even if see without them, always wearing like skimpier clothing. Like it's a very like kind of like sexualized bombshell kind of look that every woman gets made over to in these movies in order to kind of achieve the life that she wants. So if you look at it through that lens, slightly problematic. But we're not doing that today because movie makeover scenes have made up the broke of pop culture for so long, and there's so many movies that are made around these scenes or these ideas, and they were always the scenes that we used in marketing so famously in Suddenly thirty they had like done the script and shot half the movie, and the studio was like looking at the dailies and looking at the script and they're like, you have to put a makeover montage in here for the trailer. Otherwise formula is otherwise we can't sell this movie. What the hell are you doing. So the reason we're doing this today, I do have a reason for this before we get into our picks, is that it is The Devil Wears prior to two week. Yeah, the movie is actually coming out this week on the thirtieth of April, and the first movie has an incredible makeover moment which Andy goes into the fashion closet with nigelnic He pulls a poncho for which we never wear it see her wear. And then that is such a catalyst for the film because it's how we see her lean into her career and how she gets taken seriously, and that we have that incredible montage of all the different looks that she wears down the streets, different coats and hats into the office. You have a favorite one. 03:01Speaker 3 From that montage, all of the looks are always so good, and I think because you do have that contrast for like her own style at the start to all of those looks, like you can't just pick one, and then from there on out it just gets like better and better. 03:15Speaker 1 The fun better and better and better. 03:16Speaker 3 Yeah. 03:16Speaker 1 From that makeover montage we first see her like the green coat means the winner, but also the brown snakeskin coat when she walks into the building, which is how I want to be dressing this season. So off the back of the Devil Wears prior to two cinemas April thirty, we're gonna be sharing with each other our favorite movie makeover moments. Do you want to kick us off? So we haven't shared yet. I don't know what you're gonna say. It's going to be surprise. I'm interesting how a man weaseled his way in there, so like a man. It's like, we have one thing and it's been overly sexualized and made over in movies and then men want to take it away from us. 03:47Speaker 3 So I'm staying on the Anne Hathaway train. 03:49Speaker 2 Oh yeah, and I'm going with Princess Darry It wouldn't be Yes Complete the Makeover Podcast EP if we didn't have this one in there, I feel like it. It's so iconic unless you're living under a rock. Everybody has seen Princess Staris. It's one of my favorite movies growing up. And we follow Mia Thermopolis played by Anne Hathaway, and she finds out that she's actually a princess, which is what I thought was gonna happen to me. I'm still waiting for a letter behind estranged relative in her country. And she pretty much undergoes this whole transformation on her path to becoming a princess, and they enlist a stylists. 04:27Speaker 1 She pretty much just. 04:28Speaker 2 Takes her glasses off, straightens her hair and like has her nails done. 04:32Speaker 1 Like there's really not much more to it. Oh see. I actually think out of all the movie makeover is this one they actually go through quite a drug etiquette, has the etiquette training and that whole thing. But also I think they actually do quite change, Like she looks drastically different. Some makeover segne like you just took off her glasses and put a lipstick on, whereas this one it's like completely like her hair because I think she's got like a crazy wig on when she is playing Mia in the early movies. The glass has always changed things, but the makeup is so intense, the skin sort of stuff. 05:00Speaker 2 How she they pluck her eyebrows, They're like really like whacking those off. But again on the slightly problematic end, because it did really like reinforce you know, curly like frizzy hair being like a little bit messy and untamed, and like, I deep dove into Reddit and there are so many people on the Internet who you know, said how much it really affected them and it led them to like chronically straighten their hair for like ten years. 05:25Speaker 1 Okay, I didn't know there was like the dark side of the Princess Diaries. 05:28Speaker 3 We have Minisha producer Nisha in the studio. 05:31Speaker 2 Who was saying that this had a little bit of an impact on her and her. 05:34Speaker 1 And she never curled her hair again. Wow, No, she has curly hair. She straightens it. No, No, I know, is that right? 05:42Speaker 3 She's nodding, She's she's no. 05:44Speaker 1 I didn't realize that your hair looked like that. Because of the wrath of Anne Hathaway. Wow and Hathaways actually come out recently. Anne Hathaway's commented on Yeah public apology. 05:56Speaker 2 She recently spoke to people off the back of the recent press she's been dewey and shared her one regret from her time on the film. So her natural hair is actually straight, so they had to create that contrast for that makeover scene, that moment, so they gave me a really curly hair. And you know, she has regrets around people thinking that they were saying curly hair is unattractive, which is obviously terrible, and like she says, it was an unintended side effect. It was just in order to make it easier and post and you know, have that massive transformation moment. But it's so significant that it's actually something. Now in twenty twenty six, she's had to come out and dress. 06:32Speaker 1 Oh and no, And can I just say, you don't need to apologize. Do you have curly hair? You'r okay, no, we don't get it. I would love curly hair because I cut my hair all the time because I have dead straight, flat hair. Yeah, And I always feel like I'm the same the unattractive thing. And I would love to have people like especially like in rom com there's some wrong comms, like in How Lose a Guy? In Ten Days, where Kate Hudson's character Andy famously has straight hair, yes, but as she falls in love, her hair goes curly. Have you sadnything online of like girls in love have curly hair? 06:58Speaker 2 Yeah? 06:58Speaker 1 I have, yeah, And I was like, obviously I've been in love because my hair is straight, straight, So you can literally find anything. I'm just gonna say, Anne Hathaway, you don't apologize for that. It's okay. We don't speak on behalf of the curly girls. We well, no, no, I think that that's the fault of the movie, not Anne Hathaway. Yes, yes, And I also think that out of all the things that we have to sort of look at, that that one's okay. I'm not disregarding the feelings of curly head girls. I just don't think Anne Hathaway personally should take on that emotional birth. 07:24Speaker 3 No, it's not for her. She can we forgive you, Anne, it's not you. 07:27Speaker 1 We don't have to five. But that is such a pivotal moment, that scene, because everything about that movie plays and to wish fulfillment, and that is like also the biggest wish for filment as an adult but also as a teenager. That you're just kind of one step away from looking beautiful, that someone could take you in a room and they could do all these things. And also then her life does open up in this crazy way. Yes, because she's become a princess, but also because she looks like this ideal beauty, she becomes popular. Yeah, everybody likes her. The guy shet to like her, and are they're really careful to caveat that he always liked her. 08:00Speaker 2 Yeah, and it wasn't the makeover. Yeah, I was actually really don't do that as much watching it last night. And she just ignores him for like the whole first part of the movie. 08:09Speaker 3 He literally is like, you're attractive, and she just doesn't even like. 08:12Speaker 1 Well, that's the whole thing of these movies, too, is that they pedal this thing that everyone's secretly beautiful they just don't know it. And for a lot of us, and they put me in that category. No, fine, that's fine, there's no there's no little trick of like, if she just took her glasses off, or if she just took her hair out, she would be so beautiful and she just doesn't know it. 08:30Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't wear glasses. What's the next straight. 08:33Speaker 1 I wear my hair on every day. There's no way a man can take out my ponytail, and I'll instantly be beautiful. What is left? So good? Okay, before we move on to my next one. Are you excited for Princess Diaries three? Or you're upset about it? People different came. I'm excited because Princess Diary is too wildly a great movie. All the sequels out there, I think they're both great. 08:52Speaker 2 I think Anne is great, and if she wants to be involved in it, I know she'll want to do it right. 08:57Speaker 1 So super excited. 08:58Speaker 2 It's such a part of my child would I watched that movie rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. 09:03Speaker 1 It was one of those ones I was always. 09:04Speaker 2 Watching, even the nos Soldier, like, even if it's not better than one and two, I'm here for it. 09:12Speaker 1 Okay, So the movie Makeover I'm going to talk about now. I picked because it has my favorite reveal like When You Had. It has everything it has, like the big reveal, the reaction, the build up, the song, the song choice and maker. I realize every nearly every makeover Picked has an iconic song that sort of had new life in it because of the movie moment and this is an iconic comedy from the year two thousand, a great year for m comms. Miss Congeniality. Oh oh my god. 09:42Speaker 3 I can't what but like I would have been really really young. 09:46Speaker 1 Okay, you need to watch this is just movies. I just assumed everyone has seen I didn't. I didn't see it. I was like in not pro I was probably in high school. I did even know. Anyway, I didn't see the movies, but I just remember what. It's one of those ones where I just remember, like I know of it. I mean, we're probably had on a VHS and I just watched it over and over and over again. Oh my god. It holds up so well. I mean, no, it's problematic as hell, but that's fine. That's fine. But our feminist is outside. Actually yeah, it's actually out the window. I've thrown it. No, no, it's not problematic, and like, there's actually nothing so super bad in it. They'll just be little things. But anyway, as a movie, ten out of ten holds it so well. You need to watch it. You'll love it. Don't watch the sequel. Okay, the sequel's frodden. Sandra Bullock went through Who is the lead of this movie, Sandra Brook went through a time where she made two really regrettable sequels, Speed Too. I don't watch that. I never watch I've loved Speed Speed. Yeah. The second one, she's on a boat, and even she was like, that was a mistake because the boat. They're like, the boat's going so fast because the boat can go anywhere, because it's a cruise ship. It can't go the world. Yeah, it's fine. And Miss Congenality Too not great, but Miss Congeniality a perfect movie. So Sandra Bullet plays an FBI agent called Graasy Heart, and she's like really schlubby and gross, like yeah, that's the perfect kind of word for her. She wears like an ill fitting, like cheap suit which is always like crinkled, food stained. She's got really frizzed. They really frizzed her hair hair same thing. She's just hair like and she looks terrible. And so there's been a threat against the Miss USA pageant. So a lot of it set in a beauty pageant, and they need someone to go undercover in the pageant as a beauty queen to like stop the threat. And they go. They have this computer program that they go through all the women the FBI, and it renders them what they would look like, which is a bit weird down to think of what they would look like like, what their bodies would look like. And Sandra looks gracy heart is the only one when they like, they think she's like, they think she's ugly, even though it makes a deep fake of them. And I was like, wow, that technology came true twenty years later and we used it for evil. Yeah, and then because not all the boys and Benjamin Bratt plays like one of the FBI agents, true who's like the hot sexy guy friends. It's a real Benjamin Bratt moment in the early two thousands. You might not know because you're a child, but he was like the romantic lead in so many movies and Julia Roberts was madly in love with him and they were getting married and it was a whole thing. So that, yes, this is peak Benjamin Bratt era. That moment passed, We're still in peak Sandra Bullock era, so that moment is still here. So she is the only one that can go under cover, but they're just like, look at her. She's so ugly and she's a mess. And she is also she's like an ultimate tomboy and she doesn't want to do it. So that's the difference too, is that in this movie she is so against she's scene, whereas a lot of other movies women are like, yes, please give me a makeover, which is also fine. So they bring in Michael Caine. Michael Caine one of it. Do you know who my yes is? Okay, you literally shocked, but I'm just thinking of him giving a makeover. Yeah, no, I know, that's why and one of the most like he's such an esteemed serious yea, but he And the thing is this cast. It's like Benjamin Bratt, Sandra Bullock, Candice Bergen, Michael Caine, William Shatner, like all of these incredible actors in this movie. And this is why romcoms works so well then, because this was a huge studio release with all these like Oscar factors, Like we was just a throw away. It wasn't like a throwaway watches on a Friday night in Netflix and forget about it. They like approached this like it was Shakespeare, like these people exactly. They approached it like it was Shakespeare. And that is the way to make a romantic comedy. Anyway. So Gracie Heart then has to they have to bring in Michael Kaine's character, who is like a deportment expert like etiquette, also trains people for the pageants. He's also like a pageant cope, and he is revolted by Gracie Heart when he meets her, absolutely revolted. And the fun thing about it is like nobody just so like he's just literally like this, what is like a cow. She's disgusting, And Sandra Bullock is so good like her physical comedy. Like the first scene is they're meeting together having lunch in a restaurant and he is just looking at her with this intense disgust on his face in a way that only Michael Caine can and she's like ripping into this food and all swapping down her face like with her frizzy with her frizzy hair, the ultimate cry. And Sandra Bullock said that she really leant into really wanting to make Gracy like as unattractive as she could so that the makeover scene paid off. So she was really behind the scenes pushing like no, let's have food in her teeth when like when we first meet her, like let's have like her clothes be kind of really disheveled, like she she walks around really hunched over. And Sandra Bilok also said that it was so funny because it only took like less than an hour in the makeup chair to make her look like Gracy pre makeover, but then she had to spend like three or four hours in the makeup chair for Gracie afterwards, just to even in the scenes where she's just walking around just to look like a normal woman. Yeah, and I was like, I love that. Even Sandra Bulok is like, it takes four hours to make me look like a natural Sandra Bok. So the stakes of this maker is so high because the FBI is involved. They're like, how do we make this ugly woman beautiful? So they get this like literal warehouse, like a huge warehouse, and it's full of like the tanners, the waxes, the beauty maker everywhere is this place. I know, I want to grab me out. Well, this is like that, Like it's so funny because it's like this is what it takes a woman look beautiful. It's like we have the whole FBI army making literally taking over what looks like an army base. That's so fair, like this huge bunker and they go in there and they have to like wax her and tan her and all this stuff, and she's hating and you never see it. And then you see Benjamin Bratt and his like crew on the outside with the plane like waiting to fly her to the pageant to like get her in, like where is she? Where is she? And all of a sudden, the big bunker door like slides open and Mustang Sally starts playing I Got It and it's just the best. It's one of the best movie music moments in history. And it's a cover of Mustang Sally. So they did a cover of it, and Sandra Bullock played the tambourine, I think because she's like just want to be involved, yeah, just wants to be part of it. So and there's a slow motions shot and then Sandra Bullock as Gracie Hart walks out. You have to, I mean, don't watch this until you watch the movie because a bigger moment. Again, it's so sexist but so good. I love it so much. And the camera pans up super slowly over her body and she all of a sudden, she's tan, she's shiny, she's wearing a purple mini dress. Love her hair of course straight, it's straight straight, it's straight straight as an ironing board, like literally not a hair out of place, and her hair's all glowy. And Benjamin Brat, like his character, I'm just using his knee because that's how people are. It just rips his sunglasses off in and his jaw drops open and everyone around him is like, oh my god. And she's strutting and then she just falls straight over. And before that she has an iconic line about like I haven't done this, I haven't eaten doped mess with me, and then she just topples over because she can't walk in heels. She's so real for that. Yeah, and it's just such a huge moment. And obviously, like later on when her and Benjamin Brad's characters fall in love, it's very much they fall in love because like their personalities, but it's also because she's super hot now. 16:51Speaker 3 Yes, because she had the purple dress, and then she has to. 16:53Speaker 1 Go through the Miss America pageant, right, which is again it's so the comedy is just so. 17:00Speaker 3 She's great, like it's funny. 17:03Speaker 1 I think that's the role she should have won. An Oscar for I know they don't like to give oscars to comedy actresses, but there's so many good one liners that she delivers, and her physical comedy is so good. Oh my god, you're gonna love it. Okay, you're gonna love it. I've watch it. I can't believe I was sole jealous of you. They get your torch it for the first time. 17:18Speaker 2 I think I've watched a lot of things, but when I'm under the age of ten, like. 17:23Speaker 1 I just feel like that's a movie that gets referenced all the time, that's still in the conversation. So I would sort of believe that more for movies that fall out of the conversation, but that's still at anyway, you get to watch it, so please and report back on your next on the next time you're on the pod. But yeah, that to me, that stands out as the biggest reveal of a make over and the biggest and also the fact that a lot of other makeover scenes are just like, I don't know, we can get one stylist in someone's bedroom and we're just like, but this is like, no, no, this is an industrial fispiration to make a normal woman look like the ideal of a woman. And you know what, I love it so much, this congeniality. If anyone else has watched it? All right? 18:01Speaker 3 Next on my list another movie that I rinsed to death. 18:04Speaker 2 I used to sit in front of my TV with the lyrics book because it is spoiler a musical. 18:09Speaker 1 Okay it's grace, Oh okay, yes, I love my god. Watching this as a kid, all I wanted to do was be a sexy Sandy And I'm so far from all of that. But all I wanted to do was wear leather pants and strut around. Yeah, which would I worked for me? 18:24Speaker 2 Carnival, Yeah, they're all like thirty years old as well, exactly, so many like I don't know about you, but I again, watch that movie as a kid, over and over again, all of the references straight over my head. 18:36Speaker 1 Didn't realize what a hickey from Kinnicky was now, didn't realize about the whole like having sex in the back of the cars, didn't realize that a pregnancy scarab was what she was worried about. Literally, no idea, just like the songs really exactly. And you know what, like kids watch sexy movies. 18:51Speaker 2 So my dad loves Grease yeah, so that's how I was like introduced to me. 18:54Speaker 3 So we always watch it when I was younger. 18:56Speaker 2 But I think it has one of the most iconic transformation make overs but also a little bit controversial. So obviously we follow the lives of Danny played by John Travolta, and then we have the lovely Olivia Newton John as Sandy, who's like this very clean cut, cutesy good girl, and Danny's this bad boy, like grease up completely opposite. 19:18Speaker 1 World ultimate like Romeo and Juliet story, like they come from different worlds. How could they ever be together? Could they ever? 19:25Speaker 3 We'll tell you how. 19:27Speaker 2 All it takes is a pair of leather pants and a red lip, according to sandrew D. So she walks out in the final like scene sequence, they've you know, had a little bit of push and pull this whole time. 19:38Speaker 1 So they both go to. 19:39Speaker 2 These I don't want to say extreme lengths because all Danny does to change himself for Sandy's put on like a little lettermon jacket, like a little nit jacket. That's all he does, which I feel shows the extent of effort that like men are going to change for us. 19:51Speaker 1 Yes, that's so true. There's such a good lesson in Greece that modern women. 19:55Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then obviously Sandy shows up in these insane leather pants. It's beautiful, like off the shoulder, black top, red lip, she's got this bold like curly hair, actually doing it for. 20:07Speaker 1 The color girl God. So actually it's a so debunked. We have been raised our whole lives to think that Grease is actually anti feminist, because it's feminist. The initial kind of message that we took away from the movie was this movie is telling us you have to change yourself for a man, and that's bad. But actually, what we've uncovered today is that it's actually a feminist plot because she's saying curly hair can actually curly hair is. But while curly, did you ever have Like I used to be obsessed with grease And then I got my mum to get me these like old school not even get me. I think they were my moms from like when she was a kid, these like old school hot rollers, And I would hot roll to look like Sandy, and I thought it looked so chic when I was like eleven, and looking back now, I did look like a poodle. Yeah, that was me. With the red lip. Yes, it never worked really for me. 20:50Speaker 2 It's giving dancers steadfast, but I gave it, gave it a go. 20:54Speaker 1 I still do it red lip. I still do black leather and a red but you rock a red lip. I'm just I'm just sandy on the Yes, we. 21:00Speaker 2 All have a little bit of sty but yeah, I think it definitely is a little bit of. 21:03Speaker 1 A feminist like move. 21:04Speaker 2 A lot of people can say, you know, she's changing for Danny, but I think what we see is, you know, she's like leaning into her confidence and like it's like a bold yea. 21:12Speaker 1 Well, because you can take it either way, you can take it. You're right that she's becoming who she wants to be. But that's the thing feminists like, these makeover scenes are always wrapped up and like, no, she's empowering herself, and it's like no, no, no, she's dressing for the male gaze and that's fine. 21:27Speaker 3 Who she chose to do it, but only. 21:30Speaker 1 Because she felt desperate that he would leave her. But again, who amongst us hasn't dressed for the male kase? Exactly? 21:35Speaker 2 Guilty, It's a time and a place exactly. 21:41Speaker 1 Right, is exactly. But again, I just can't hold that in my head. When I watch gree it's like I'm aware that it's there. I'm aware of this idea and it's a different time, and it's got the best like mic drop moment of like like literally like the whole carnival turns to her and then she has that iconic clim when she has tell me about it. Stud. So also she's smoking. 22:02Speaker 3 She doesn't know how to smoke. 22:03Speaker 1 But she's doing it. I'm looking friends, how do I put it? That's just a good moment. Oh my god, Olivia Neton John is so good. So again, it's sexualizing dressing from man, it's sexualizing like like smoking and like that bad girl. But I don't even care because you know what, smoking does look sexy on screen? It does. Don't do it, don't do it. 22:20Speaker 3 But sometimes it looks chic on the screen. 22:22Speaker 1 Yeah, it always always looks cheek on screen. 22:25Speaker 2 Now, they do have this like fairy tale ending they get into a convertible when they fly off into the sky. 22:29Speaker 3 But there are actually a lot of fan theories. 22:32Speaker 1 Are you gonna say that they're dead? 22:36Speaker 2 So basically there are theories that when they fly off into the sky that they actually passed away and that Sandy actually died from the very first scene where they're first on the beach, because Danny when he's singing someer love and there's a line where he said, you know, she almost drowned. 22:54Speaker 1 I saved her. 22:55Speaker 2 So it turns out, according to this theory, that she in fact drowned, and then we enter this like homo fantasy for the entirety of the whole film, and that's how they're flying off in the end. 23:09Speaker 1 I have heard that theory that this is all Sandy's, Like, this all happened in the moment she died, and this is what living through like living through those moments is that she fantasized going to school with Danny and then falling in love and stuff. But it's very intense and also like none of the screenwriters have said that's true. But I love I love when like a theory for like a really old school movie like this just takes it takes. 23:29Speaker 3 Over a life of its own, like people run rampant with it. 23:33Speaker 2 I hate to disappoint anyone that thinks they're dead, but the creator has since come out and said. 23:38Speaker 1 That that's absolutely it's not the case. They're not dead. 23:41Speaker 2 Also, there's so many like fantasy moments in the film I just love to grab on exactly. 23:46Speaker 1 Well, I guess I just want to explain why the calf flies at the end. It's not even a good theory though, the calf flies at the end because it's a movie and things happen in movie music and that's fine. But no, that's a great make over scene. Love that, And it does go to show that if you're having problems relationship, if you put on a pair of black leather pants, they will go away. 24:03Speaker 2 Oh and apparently they had to show them onto her body so tight. 24:06Speaker 3 It's so tight their vintage Yeah, oh love. 24:09Speaker 1 Okay, the next one I'm going to bring up is the most realistic movie makeover I have ever seen, so in a way that it's actually quite a feminist makeover. Again, not that that matters, we're putting that out the window. Bring the hat back in dress. No, no, the hat's on the doorn on. It's not all the way back in the room dress for the male gaze. It's fine in a movie, But this one I always think is like a beautiful way of watching, like seeing a makeover happen really really slowly, and having it be part of the character's evolution in a way that just feels so real. And this makeover scene is from the two thousand and two classic My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Oh have you seen it? Yeah? No I haven't. Yeah, what a great movie? 24:50Speaker 2 Right? 24:50Speaker 1 The is not to speak The first one is the first one I would say is a perfect movie. So in this if anyone hasn't seen it. Nina the Dallas, who also wrote and produced and created the movie, plays Tula and John Corbett our favorite rom com boyfriend. John Corbet's just in every room. Yeah, they just throw him in and he always. 25:11Speaker 2 Works once they get one good one. I feel like it just becomes a role like everyone's boyfriend. 25:16Speaker 1 He just has that vibe and like movies have been like and parts of been like created and written for him, like him playing Aiden Sex and the City. They created like a lot of that role for him. And also the rom com starring Kate Hudson Raising Helen. Have you seen that? Oh you should watch it? Really got it to listen, where she plays a model agent who her sister passes away and she has to like raise her children. John Corbett plays her love interest in that, and I remember like listening to director being like, well, but why would she fall it? Because she's like this beautiful New York like styler that everyone loves. Why would she fall in love with the high school principle like we have to give him something? And then they looked at him like he's John Corbett. Yeah, that's his thing. That's it. We don't have to add anything. Fine, And when you watch the movie, you're like, yeah, I get it. So John Corbett plays Ian Miller and so the story is actually have such a vivid memory of seeing this movie for the first time because it's one of those movie experiences that stays in my head forever because it came out when I was like just starting high school and one of my really good friends in high school is Greek, and so they held like a screening, like the Greek community in Townsville, like the Greek Community Center held a screening as like a fundraising thing, and so we all went to that, and yeah, it was the best way to see it because there's a whole cinema full of Greek people and so they were screaming the joke person and it was just like the vibe was so high. Also, like the characters in this speak Greek, and so they would say a joke and they would all laugh, and then the subtitles will pop up and then like the non Greek s bea because we would all laugh and we're like, oh, we got it now, Like that is really funny. So I Sultays remember it as being like this really joyful experience. So Tula is like an adult. They sort of say her age, like she's like probably in her late twenties, but like in the like you know, Greek household, like super old, unmarried, no children, a pariah of a family, if you will. And she works in like the restaurant, and like she lives with her parents, and her life is so small and everyone's just like she's so frumpy, and you know, all that sort of stuff. And then slowly over time she decides to start kind of changing her life, not on a huge scale, in a way that feels so beautiful relatable in terms of like she goes and takes some computer courses at like a community college, and she's and she then gets a job outside of the family, so she kind. 27:26Speaker 2 Of a second coming of Age's definitely. 27:30Speaker 1 Was really small looking at her parents house and she goes to work in another family business where she's like out you know, by herself in the office. And during all this she gives herself like a little makeover that's peppered through this montage, but it's more so like she'll just wear like instead of wearing like the overly frumpy clothes she was wearing, she just buys herself like a nice dress and a matching cardigan, and then you see her like try and like like do her eyebrows and she puts like just a little bit of lipstick on and like she's like and again the frizzy hair is the frizzy hazel thing, but she does straightened, but it's not pinned straight. She just kind of smooths it and stulls like she put rollers in it. And it's this beautiful, quiet, little makeover that she just does to herself. 28:11Speaker 2 And I think that's what makes it, Yeah, that it's something that she found in herself and like exploring your like your own identity and like finding who you are verse like having the FBI coming it. 28:22Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. When you put the two makeover scenes here that I brought up, it's like one is like, yeah, fifty people in like a government funded bunker trying to make Sandra Bullock look like a woman. And then the other one is just a woman at home in her childhood bedroom, just putting on a little bit of lipstick like Tula, just like you know, and she puts on a card again, and the thing is it just changed all of a sudden, she just feels like herself. And I think this is why it's one of my favorite movie makeovers, is that she hasn't done this too, Like she hasn't met Ian Miller yet, so she hasn't done this for a man. She hasn't even done it with the idea that she could possibly meet a man, because she's still working in like the family business. It's more so that as she kind of got a little bit of education and stepped outside of like the tightness of her family, left her bedroom and just kind of fell like, well, likely she's just prings so much time there. Now she's out in about the world, and all of a sudden, she just becomes the person that she wanted to be. Like it feels like it feels like it's actually the only movie makeover I can think of where it feels like it's just for the Carroc. 29:17Speaker 3 And it's happened before they've met the guy. 29:19Speaker 1 And it's not serving the plot, Like, no one's saying like you have to have makeover so you can be the price of the princes. You could be the prompt get the guy exactly. This is just for her and it's so beautiful and so small and quiet, and she doesn't look She looks different at the end of the movie than she does at the start, but not drastically drastically different. She does take her glasses off on my context is that scene of her trying to contacts. Had to put that in there, exact, had to get it in there. So basically it's like less frizzy hair, no contacts, a cardigan, and some nice lipstick, but not as extreme as other makeovers. And so then she's so happy because she's educated herself. She's working in an office and then Ian Miller played by John Corbett just happens to walk by and sees her get stuck in the headset headset. She tries to get up, and he goes into a travel agent and they chat and they just have this beautiful like courtship courtship is the correct word, where they fall in love but then when they get engaged, huge controversy. He's not Greek and her family unaccepted him. This movie has if anyone hasn't seen it, I cannot recommend it enough because the one liners are so good, Like when they get engaged and she takes him over to her big family gathering. He's like family dinner, like five people, She's like, no, fifty five and they say, like, he doesn't eat meat. I like to put that line in here. It's so good, and just like the lead up to their wedding and everything, and I just like even with her wedding, like she looks gorgeous, but it's never this idea of it. She has to be like overly made up. She looks like a completely different person. So I just think if there's like one movie makeover scene that kind of really changes that formula and makes it like part of the story. It's my big, fat, great wedding and tulla And you know, sometimes okay to put on a nice cardigan and some lipstick and go work in the family travel agency and you'll meet John Corbett. That is quite and that's a lesson. Sometimes it's okay to do all do all those things. Yeah, well, I think the biggest thing is she gets a macover while she goes to community college and gets an education. As we know, that is the thing that will say she three exactly so maybe fair great wording. Love it so much? 31:15Speaker 2 All right, we've come to the man, the man make Yes, it's crazy stupid love. 31:22Speaker 1 Oh my god, yes, okay. 31:24Speaker 2 Steve Carell, he plays col Cow's life is falling apart. His wife has left him. He's trying to get back out into dating. He's hopeless. He's quite a bit of a dig. He's in a bar and he runs into this really cool womanizer obviously played by none other than Ryan Gosling because who else. 31:42Speaker 1 Could and the best supporting actor his abs. Oh my god, they should be in the credits one hundred and they get a whole scene with Emma Stone's character dedicated and not only did he work out for months to get them, but they had like special makeup artists, like because you again, those makeup artists have to come in and do the shading and the bronzing and like draw them on. But they're also just there. They're almost too much like when she sees it, when when like Emmaston's character season and she's like, those are photoshops. I don't think I want to be with someone with apps like that A good look up close and just see them just from just to know what the muscles would look like. But I don't need to feel like that's a violation. 32:19Speaker 3 But for those who are watching the bar is imagining. 32:22Speaker 1 Feeling that's going to put me on a watch list somewhere. But yes, we have a male makeover. 32:30Speaker 2 Isn't interesting like flip on the script of like what we usually expect because it's the woman kind of going through the midlife crisis here where she's had an affair and now the man is like having this like makeover off the back of it. So he goes on this like there's like this three minute makeover montage where they like change all of his outfits. He's learning how to like speak to women, getting all the tips and then putting into the practice. 32:54Speaker 1 It's just like not something you expect either. 32:56Speaker 2 For like Steve Carell, he does it so well because he's just not someone you expect to be like hitting up the ladies in a bar. 33:03Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like that is so true that he gets a makeover. But the reason I didn't come into my head when we're talking aout makeover is is that even though he does get a makeover, it's nowhere near his extreme as some of these other makeover scenes with women. I guess with men, there's only so much you can do once you sort of wax them because their hair of shorts is not that curly. You can't have that. You don't have the curly plotline. And I guess that he didn't have glos. They should have put him in glasses. He did look very like dad because then they could no, he does look different. Like it's a good makeover scene, but I'm just saying it doesn't have like the kind of and they don't have a montage, right, that's a mistake they should have had. They do like a full musical montage. 33:41Speaker 2 There wasn't a musical montage, but they do go through like a number of like designer clothes. There's a really funny quote where like Ryan Gosling's character is looking Steve Crorer up and down and he's like, are you Steve Jobs the founder of Apple? No, then you can't wear those to his shoes And basically the whole goal is like for Steve Carell's character to be better than the gap. 34:00Speaker 1 Oh my god. And I have a vivid memory of him like being really repulsed by his wallet and again not thinking of wallet be part of a makeover. But I guess for a guy, especially it is and the fact that it has Velcrow and I think it was like I was a kid while watching at the time, or I was like, oh my, Walter has Velcrow's cute. And I also wasn't the sexy man out in the streets. But if I wanted to be, I had the wrong wallet. Is a little bit of an egg. 34:22Speaker 2 What would you do if you were on a date with a man without he's got coins? 34:26Speaker 1 They're like jingling around. Well, oh my god, would I break up with a man if he had a Velcrow wallet? Something to think about on this if you're on the Sydney dating scene, kind of say that potentially that's gonna happen, and that's not even the worst thing. 34:38Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't think I would break up with him if they had. I wouldn't either I have a wallet for their birthday, Yeah, I. 34:44Speaker 1 Would, just especially because every time you do the rip with a Velcrow wallet, it's so loud and intense. It is it's an announcement. Yeah, and you're just like I'm opening my velcro point and there's no Yeah, that's some folded in here, and you're trying to like pull like straighten the money out because it's been folded in there. 35:00Speaker 2 Actually still have yours exactly exactly. 35:02Speaker 1 Well, I think I am one of the last team in the world who has a wallet that I. 35:05Speaker 2 Lost my wallet and now I've lost all my cards, like I get all scattered around the house. 35:09Speaker 1 Okay, no, no, no, you need it just PSA. Everyone gives me so much shit for having a wallet, but when we can, I just tell you. When someone needs a physical card or something, who do they turn to me? Who's got a wallet? It's got an emergency hair tie in it, it's got emergency cash in there. 35:21Speaker 2 So basically, get rid of your wallet if you don't want anyone to ask you for anything, yeah, exactly. 35:25Speaker 1 Or if you're going through a makeover, exactly exactly. If you're going through a makeover, that's the first thing change. Yeah. 35:30Speaker 2 I just love crazy stupid love, though obviously follows the lives of like lots of different love stories that are all like interconnected, but at the heart of it, it's like Steve's Carrell's character. Yeah, and like everything that he goes through. 35:43Speaker 3 But yeah, I love that movie. 35:44Speaker 1 It was so good. Emily and I talked about that in an episode little while ago when were actually talking about plot twists because it has who hasn't seen it, although I assuming most of you has. It has a great plot twist that is someone expected but just works so well for these characters. Oh love, Yeah, you don't spoil it for like the two people are there who haven't seen it. Okay, last time I'm going to bring up and I had to go back to nineteen ninety nine. Cool, and I just remember again watching this movie on a loop as a kid again as a kid on a VHK guest. Before you say that, oh, I'm actually I wonder if you've I mean, I hope you've seen this. Otherwise I'm going to be super disappointed. It's the nineteen ninety nine teen classic. She's all that. 36:22Speaker 2 No. 36:24Speaker 1 I know should be this surprise every time, but like, this is a classic movie. I thought you're going to say Clueless. Then, Oh, I had Clues on my list, but we talked about Clueless so many times. Yeah, we have a whole brutally honest review on it, so that's got an important makeover seeing it too. You've never seen you know what I know of it, Okay, and like that's the weird thing to me. Can I say you know of it, but you've never watched it. 36:46Speaker 3 I think a lot of it is like what my parents like fed me at that time. 36:50Speaker 1 You're an adult woman now who lives alone with your own TV. You can make your own choice. I'm just saying so many times I went home and I'm like, oh, I wish I had a new, great movie to watch. But the hard thing about me and my job, I've seen every movie. I literally have seen every movie. It's so hard for me to sit down and find a movie that I haven't seen that this is not fair, but I really want to watch. And then you're spoilt for choice. You could sit down a fry night. There's so many. 37:13Speaker 2 Movie hours an hour, and I got in my adult life too, it's valuable, like I've things to look forward to exactly. 37:19Speaker 1 You would love this again. This out of all the movies on my list, this is probably kind of the most problematic. 37:24Speaker 3 Okay. 37:24Speaker 1 It's also like using a woman for like a nefarious reason over like sexualizing her and there's a slight sprinkling of sexual assault end. But it's a classic. So she's all that. It came out in nineteen ninety nine and it stars Rachel Lee Cook. Do you know that name? Blasphemy? Rachel Lee Cook was in the late nineties, only two thousands. I'm a icnic girl. She started so many big movies. Also, Josing the Pussycats was a movie that was torn apart and I think did wreck her career. I think, but now we look back at it and see it for the masterpiece that it is. So she plays Laney Bogs. What a name? I don't know. They were like, you know what, this girl's gonna be unpopular and ugly, and we're gonna give her name's gonna be Laney Bogs, and that's going to explain exactly why. 38:07Speaker 3 Laneye b would be cute. 38:08Speaker 1 Yeah, they don't call it that. And so Lanny Blogs is she's an artist at school, and she was like and she kind of just looks away at paintings all this sort of stuff, and she dresses like an absolute hobo. So they went to because Rachel Lee Cook is a really like a classically beautiful kind of pixy looking woman, and so they really had to go to town to make her unattractive. So they've dressed her in like really oversized, paint slatted clothes. People don't want women to be comfortable, no, exactly, and you know what, she is so comfortable. That's what I take away from her, Like, and she's wearing about fifteen and before she gets her makeover, she's wearing about fifteen layers of clothes in all scenes, like she'll have like a pair of like old pants on and like a long top over that, and then like a singler and then that's very inn now and like an exactly ahead of her time. So Laney Bogs is the most unpopular nerd at school and they have have he do the classic thing of like the first time we really see her, she just falls over. Girls in rom coms always falling over. Sometimes they're so hot and beautiful that they fall over because like I'm so clumsy, and sometimes it's to show they're a nerd. But and then like feeling around exactly well exactly, and she and she wears really big glass okay of course, and straight hair but pulled back in a low ponytail I'm not a sleek ponytail like a I do anything to my ponytail. But the glasses is the real thing. So she So she's the ugly girl at school. And then we have Freddy Prince Junior and this is peak Freddy Prince Junior era. Don't I mean, I don't want to say his air is completely over, but like this was peak, Like he was the wrong com leader and so many things. Playing Zach Syla and he is like the sports storry. I know, Lany Bogs Zach Syler. You know he wrote on this movie m Night Shamalan before he did six Cents. Yeah, like I know, well, you could just be a skipper for high It's like hash. It's like haw Shonda Rhimes wrote the classic Britney Spears movie Crossroads. 40:05Speaker 2 Job. 40:05Speaker 1 Yeah, before you have your big break, you just write the scripts that are out there. So Mna Scharmalan is like I can just imagine he had like the sixth cent script on one screen and like the other and between them. So Zach is like the actual like the jock of the school, the king. Everyone loves him. They're all seniors in their final year of high school and they're coming up to prom and again a very old school like American high school thing is like the prom is always like the climax of the movie, like everything's leading towards that. The rest of his cast is like a who's Who of the nineties. We have Matthew Lillard as Brock Hudson. He's like a reality stuff. Paul Walker, the late Paul Walker again peak kind of his like era playing Dean. And then Jodi Lynn O'Keefe. I don't know if you know that name, but you would know her face. She is in every kind of she's She wanted to be on the Vampire Diaries and stuff later on, but she was in a lot of these early like teen movies, always as like kind of the high school mean girl, the beautiful high school young girl. So Zach and Taylor have been Taylor Vaughan have been together, and they're like they're going to be prom king and queen. That's their thing. Only Taylor meets Matthew Lylard's character, who is old of them out of high school, a reality TV start on the real world. In the real world, Ye dumps Zach for him, and it's like anarchy in the school that the couple has broken up and that Taylor has dumped Zach, and then everyone feels sorry for Zach. And he was like, I can have any girl I want. This is not romantically he meant to fall in love with him, and you kind of do, but he's like, I can have any girl I want. He's like, I could make a girl like that. So this movie is actually based on Pigmalion, which is a play in a book that then went on to inspire the Audrey Hepburnt movie My Fair Lady. So this is a play. Do you know there was a moment in time there where like Clueless is based on Emma and She's the Man, Yeah, And She's the Man is based on Twelfth Night, and as we discovered another podcast the other day, Bridge Jone's Diaries Pride and Prejudice. So this was a big moment in time where, like all of these teens, the biggest thing you could do for box office gold was to remake these classic literature as a teen rooman, now we make movies from last year, and now we'll just remake anything that's out there in the world. So Zach is like, I can make any woman. I can make her the popular girl. And so Paul Walker's character makes him a bet. He's like, Okay, I'm going to bet you that you can't make like a girl that I pick in this school into the prom queen. And Zach's like, pick someone. And that's of course when Lanye makes her entrance, comes up the stairs. She's making fifty layers of clothing. She's got fifty bags eye and she like immediately falls to the floor. And he was like, and then I'm just gonna say Paul Walker because it's two, so you know who I'm talking about. Paul Walker goes her and Freddie Prince Junior. Zach is like, Lady Box, absolutely not. He's like, like, the subtext is she's the ugliest woman I've ever seen. So then he has to the subjects of all these exactly, and then Zach's like, well, I'm gonna have to do this now. So then Zach has to go and try and befriend laany Bogs. And it's so funny when he like keeps trying because he's used to. He's the star of the school, he's the sports star. Everyone loves him. He's so charming. So he kind of goes over to her, like later that night he goes up and to her where she's working, where she's wearing this like huge, full lawful hat because she works in like service industry and he's like never worked a day in his life, and he's like kind of like hey, and she just has no time of day for him, and so funny because she's like, look, I'm not smart, and he's like what this is kind of like a good kind of like twist of that classic like dumb jock smart girl being ugly. She's like, I'm not smart. I know I look smart because I got the subtext is because she's got wearing glasses. I know I look smart, but I'm not. And I can't choot. I can't chewt to you. She's like, I can't. I know you're probably failing school, but I can't help you. I can't choot you. I just I look smart, but i'm not. He's like that is oh no. Then he's like, oh I'm smart. I'm like the third top of that class. I don't need tutoring, thank you so much. So he's smart. So he is smart, yeah, because he's like his whole subject is like his parents like you're going to like this fancy school and you're gonna do this, You're gonna do that. He's like, he can't pick anything of his life. Smart boy, I know, sucks. And so then he starts to befriend her, and like slowly over time, starts to sort of like make her over and teach her how to be cool. And the makeover scene is so so important because up until this he has no like sexual interest in her because she's got glasses, you know, of course, and he can't tell, Yeah, he can't tell because it's pulled back, and he can't tell that she's got a tiny hot body because she keeps falling over and oversized and she falling over so she has a muscle issue. It's all happened. So he's like, he's like, I'm gonna make her gorgeous, but I have no interest in her. And then he brings over his older sister, Mac played by Anna Papquin, and Anna Pumpquin is only in this movie for a short moment, but she makes She comes into this sassy older girl from college, his sister. And then there's this party at school and so Mac takes Laney upstairs and they have this moment where and this moment has been parodied so many times, most famously in Not Another Teen Movie, where all she does is pull out the ponytail and she's like, and you're beautiful. But they at this moment too where lady talks about the fact that her mom died when she was little and so she's been raising her little brother and looking after her dad, and she's like, I just never had a mom to like teach me this stuff, because Mac is like, in the nicest way possible, your eyebrows are disgusting, let's pluck them, Like why don't you wear makeup? And she's like, well, I didn't have anyone to teach me, which is lovely also so young, like yeah, yeah, Well she's a senior in high school and she's never plucked her eyebrows, which isn't the craziest thing at all, but the movie does make you think like her life has been severely stunted because of this. So this college student cuts her hair so instead of having and again usually they add hair in, so this is also maybe not even like a flipping the script, but at the time they so she has this like long, kind of straight, like scraggly hair, they cut it into a super super chic boss she does yeah, yeah, exactly, cuts her head perfectly, plucks her eyebrows, takes the glasses off, apparently does like a huge tan and stuff. And then we have a staircase, and all we haven't had a staircase moment so far as you know, all good movie makeover scenes really need a staircase. That's the moment. So Zach's downstairs, he's waiting to take it as party. He's expecting Lady Bogs to come like like his sister's just gonna like put some lipstick on her and she's gonna come frumpy down the stairs. All of a sudden, the camera pans up the stairs and a slow plan and you see a foot come down in a red high heel, and then the classic song kiss Me by Sixpence none the Richer, also from Dawson's Creek. I kind of tell you how this movie. This song is like this soundtrack of my entire teenage years. And every time I play it now, I actually, that song's too powerful. I have to be careful when I play it because if I play it with the street oh passion stranger, like I can't. That song's too powerful. It's just like it just makes you right, because it's a soundtrack to all the big romantic moments in our lives as that we watched on screen and not participation saying I don't have that many referends. No, no, no, I've never had a romantic tree that song, but it makes me think of a time where like it's signaled this like cue a social cue tea. Yeah, it's like this subconscious like dog whistle of like I'm about to fall in love for the first time, and as a woman in her late FERI I still feel that. And so the camera pans up kiss Me starts to play, and then you see Lannie for the first time post makeover, and she is an absolute bombshell. She's wearing a tiny red mini dress, one of the most iconic dresses in film. I would say, she's got this beautiful, not over the top makeup, like not a red lip or anything, just like beautiful, smoldering, bronzy makeup, a beautiful chic Bob and Zach like loses his mind, he cannot believe it. We look on and Freddie Princeton up give that man at the Academy Award. He just he's like, oh my god, this is the most stunning woman I've ever seen. This is simple manner exactly. You put in a red little as in my early twenties, I had so many little red party dresses because all I wanted to do was dressed like Lannie. I was just waiting for a stair I was waiting for a staircase, and I've never lived in a house with staircase. How will I make my entrance? So she's walking down the stairs, the song's playing, it's so beautiful, and then she falls face first down the stairs. Well, she grabs the because she walked in Heels's true. It's actually like a quite a it's quite dangerous. Yeah, she's trying to do a slow walk down the stairs in heels, the first time she's ever worn heels. It's actually quite the moment. So the spell is like broken because she has to grab the railing and he has to help her, and everyone's like ooh, and he's like ill and he's like, oh, I remember how before? Yeah, I don't know. But falling when you're hot and following your ugly too true. When she fell when she was ugly disgusting. When she falls and she's hot, he's like, pretty well, help you yeah, pretty brifect. Yeah, it's so funny. And before before she comes down the standcase, Anna Patlin's character Mac does a little introduction. She's like, and they try to I think they're aware there that like, giving this teenage girl a bombshell makeover might send the wrong message. They try to dilute it, but it doesn't work. That's what I was thinking, is. 48:54Speaker 2 That putting it like a young girl in like red dress, red heel. 48:57Speaker 1 A sexy red dress for a man that's trying to win a bet with her. Yeah, there's a lot. It's all trying to make grimacing for anyone who cuts. So Mac tries to sort of dilute the message. So she comes down before Lane and she goes introducing the not improved but different. It's kind of what she says Lady Bogs. She's like, not improved but different because she's trying to be like, no, she was good before, and I'm like, guys, she wasn't good before. That's the part of the whole the movie. That's the premise of this exactly. And so as it goes on, she does dress better, but she doesn't like overly change how she dresses. And then she wears this like black glittery dress to the prom, and she does look nice, but it's the whole thing because she goes with Paul Walker's character and then he tries to sexually assault her and then Zack Syla saves her and then they fall in love and have a gorgeous kiss and then there's a huge dance number. There's the best dance number that it's a lot happens. That's a lot that poor girl. Yeah, yeah, she goes through a lot. Well, she finds out before the prom that it's a bet, and she has this moment where she yells act She's like, all of a sudden, this turns into like it does turn into a Shakespearean drama. It's not based on Shakespeare, but the vibe. She's like, am I bet, am I bet? Am my fucking bet And he just looks at her asi and he goes yes. And then oh my god, burn it into my soul that moment because you just like I remember as a kid, like nearly crying. I'm like, yeah, it's over, Like they'll liver be in love now where they do spoiler alert end up in love. She should be like, thank you for the makeover. Yeah, exactly. Now everyone at school wants me because they realized I'm not I could make a man. Yes, that's the sequel, so that in my head is well. There's a remake with Addison Ray called He's All That. Whether I've watched that, but I don't that. 50:34Speaker 3 I think I don't remember it because I had to burn it out. 50:36Speaker 1 That is a burable movie. Okay, that movie is blaspheming. They tried to flip the script by making it a girl making over a guy, which I'm all for, but the movie itself is terrible. So I can't believe. You can't not You cannot live in a world where you've watched He's All That and not She's All That. I know when one is a one is an abomination and one is a classic teen movie. So you've done that wrong. I'm sorry. So She's All That one of the teen movies that still lives in my head is one of the best makeovers ever. And again, don't listen to that song, just like on the Fly, Oh it's too dangerous, dangerous, use it responsibly. 51:12Speaker 2 Thanks so much for listening to the spill today. Don't forget to follow us on socials. 51:16Speaker 1 We've popped. 51:16Speaker 2 The link in the show notes will be back in your feed bright and early tomorrow with morning tea. 51:21Speaker 3 Ash London has all of the entertainment headlines. 51:24Speaker 1 To start your day. 51:25Speaker 2 The Spill is produced by Minishi Sworn with video production by Michael Keane. 51:29Speaker 1 Bye ByeBecome a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, Megan Thee Stallion has put Klay Thompson on full blast.  Plus, BookTok now has its own official bestseller chart and honestly it's about time, and there's a new trailer for a film starring Paul Rudd and Nick Jonas that looks like a solid 10/10. ☕ Megan Thee Stallion dumps Klay Thompson and does NOT go quietly ☕ BookTok gets its own official UK bestseller chart - and it's all female authors  ☕ Paul Rudd and Nick Jonas star in a new film that actually looks...incredible.   ☕ Helena Bonham Carter exits White Lotus Season 4 just days into filming ☕ Noah Cyrus brings out Billy Ray at Stagecoach and the Cyrus family heals in public THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see LINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's media SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. 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Helena Bonham Carter has exited White Lotus before filming even properly got started. And there's a new film coming out next month that I didn't know existed until today, and now it's all I can think about. So let's spore some tea. First Up Rapper and Broadway Start. Meghan Stallion is dumped NBA player Clay Thompson after less than a year of dating, and she did not go quietly. She posted to her Instagram stories cheating. You had me around your whole family playing house, got cold feet, holding you down through all your horrible moods, wings and treatment towards me during your basketball season. Now you don't know if you can be monogamous, followed by like five question marks. Then came the formal statement. She said, I've made the decision to end my relationship with Clay. Trust, fidelity and respect a non negotiable for me in a relationship, and when those values are compromised, there's no real path forward. I personally preferred the Instagram run, but I respect her being classy about it. Now, let's put this in context. Two months ago, Meghan was publicly manifesting her own engagement. She'd met his whole family. The man named his boat after her, the ss Stallion that apparently could manage to be faithful Clay buddy, the ss Stallion deserved better, inserted Meghan next time. This one is for the readers, but not like literary fiction readers, the real ones like me, who spend more time than they care to imagine reading about other people. Bonking book Talk has officially been given its own UK bestseller chart. The new list is compiled by a media controller Nielsen IQ Book Data, the same people behind the Sunday Times bestseller list, so you know it's legit. It combines UK sales data with analyzes of the BookTok hashtag with over seventy seven million posts under the tag book It's about time they put some respect on Booktok's name. The inorderal Top twenty is entirely made up of female authors, as it should be. Irish writer Chloe Walsh appears the most. All six books in her Boys of Tom and series have made the list, which follows a group of teenagers navigating love, friendship and trauma at a private school. Romandes. He dominates, with Sarah g Mass and Rebecca Garris, both featuring heavily on top of the list. Heated rivalry of course, stick Around. We've got the Nick Jonas film that I did know existed and are now having an existential crisis over Helena Bottom. Carter has exited the White Lotus and the Sires family at a stagecoach moment that signals a full reconciliation. Welcome back to Morning Tea. Now over the weekend and you trailer dropped for a movie I didn't know all about until now, and I can't believe it. I'm beside myself with anticipation for May twenty nine. The film is called Power Ballad and it stars Paul Rudd and Nick freaking Jonas so Rad plays a wedding spinger past his prime. Nick plays a washed up boy band member. They have a late night jam by coincidence, and Paul Wright's character plays him a song he's been working on. Fast Forward. The pop star releases the song, reigniting his career. But this is when it gets complicated. You don't recognize it, should I of course yes you should. If that's my chorus and verse. I wrote at that time, when Wow, Danny Wilson, you were great up there, come with me. I could tell with any two minutes of any you you are ninely some boy band guy, and you are too good for that wedding band to him with this one for years. So every Signverrold in my life, it's about you. Sockered. The film is directed by the same guy who made Once, which if you haven't seen, please stop what you're doing and watch immediately, and he's already receiving rave reviews. Paul Right and Nick Jonas in a music film about songwriting, friendship and betrayal, put it in my veins. Helena Bottom Carter announced it as part of the White Load of season forecast back in January. Has exited the show and the timing is extraordinary. HBO released his statement seeing the character did not align once on set, and that the role has subsequently been rethought, is being rewritten, and will be being recast in coming weeks. So what we understand is that she got to Saint Trepe, unpacked her bags, got a couple of days into filming, and then it became clear to both parties it wasn't working. Reports suggests the role was central to the season story, which is why the decision was made to rewrite it entirely. I want to know if she got paid for a couple of days or she just got a free holiday at Center Pay, which I said wouldn't be bad about. The season is set during the Cannes Film Festival on the French Riviera, filming in Center Pey, Monaco and Paris. And finally, Noah Cyrus made her stagecoach debut on Friday over in the States and saved the best of last. After a studying set, she brought out her brother Brazen and then her dad, Billy Ray to perform their new song on Our Way Along a song tonight. Thank you so much for coming to see my first ever stage church. I'd like to talk about my brother Brazen and welcome my dad. Billy Ray's single written I produced by my brother Brazen, Hold on our way Along. You're right now. If you don't know anything about the Syrus family, there was some estrangement after Tish and Billy raised Aborce Scott Murkhy. Since then, Miley and Billy Ray have made up and now it's lovely to see they all seem to be on better terms, proof that once again, all faunilies are complicated, even when you're all famous. And now, my darlings, is it for today's morning tea. But thank you for spending a couple of minutes of your public holiday Monday with me. Hope you have a wonderful day with friends and family. 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The first trailer for Practical Magic 2 has been released, and while we are loving the witchcraft and the romance, it’s also reminded us that this beloved movie is really about the unbreakable bond between sisters.So now we need to talk about the iconic movies that highlight the relationship between sisters and all the loving, messy, hilarious, and chaotic storylines they allow us to explore.From a laugh-out-loud comedy starring Amy Poehler and Tina Fey, to a supernatural teen movie that will change your life, to a New York-set masterpiece and the little-known Cameron Diaz masterpiece that will have you weeping and calling your sister, these movies are a must-watch.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Stranger Things is officially back, but not in the way you expect. We’re breaking down the brand-new animated series that takes us right back to Hawkins in 1985 and Laura is clear on whether this return to this universe is a worthy addition to the lore or if the lack of original voices makes it feel like a different show entirely.The show we’ve been championing since day one is finally back for season two, and it’s arguably funnier (and more chaotic) than ever. If you love Ted Lasso but wish it had a Succession-style family dynamic, this Netflix hit is your perfect weekend binge. It’s messy, heartwarming, and completely unmissable. Plus, we talk about the incredible guest stars making us laugh this season.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Read more weekly watch recommendations from the Mamamia entertainment team here.  Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The first trailer for Practical Magic 2 is finally here, and it’s given us a lovely dose of nostalgia and anticipation, yet we have one note for Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman.Plus, Hollywood is awash with two celebrity love scandals, and we have deployed our investigative journalism skills to get to the bottom of these reports. Are Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi hooking up? Are Zoë Kravitz and Harry Styles engaged? We’re here to get to the truth.And after Call Her Daddy podcast host Alex Cooper became embroiled in a very public feud with influencer Alix Earle, her empire has been dealt another blow in an explosive report about the company she runs with her husband, Matt Kaplan. We unpack all the allegations and question how much a public-facing woman should have to answer for her husband’s troubling actions.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Devil Wears Prada 2 continues to dominate headlines today. Plus, Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton have taken their romance to the beach and I cannot stop watching the footage (in like, a non creepy way), and Blake Lively has put a very specific dollar figure on what her Baldoni battle has cost her. ☕ Anne Hathaway pushed for body inclusive models on the Devil Wears Prada 2 set — and won ☕ Sydney Sweeney's cameo got cut from Devil Wears Prada 2 ☕ Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton get sexy at the beach ☕ Blake Lively claims $64 million in damages ahead of her May trial ☕ Red White and Royal Blue is getting a new book and I need the book today THE END BITS Once you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here. Find our new Bridgerton podcast in the Watch Party feed on Apple or Spotify. Support independent women's media Follow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here. Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here. CREDITS Host & Producer: Ash London Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The most highly anticipated movie of the year (according to us), The Devil Wears Prada 2, is about to be released, and we have some exclusive insider intel for you.Laura sat down with Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway during their global press tour for the film and talked about the one moment that made Meryl emotional (and why she thinks some of her scenes were cut from the sequel) the huge plot point Anne changed in the script before she agreed to make the sequal and the comfort movies they watch over and over again like the rest of us watch The Devil Wears Prada.Plus, Laura shares some of the behind-the-scenes moments from the interview, what really happened inside that fancy hotel with Meryl and Anne, and what to expect from the movie we’re all talking about.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, the internet is spiralling over fresh engagement rumours, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s wedding prep is heating up, and we’ve got a very exciting update about a major interview dropping later today. ☕ Harry Styles and Zoë Kravitz have sparked engagement rumours after a new photo sent fans into a full-blown spiral. ☕ Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce appear to have taken a big step in their wedding planning — and yes, we’re analysing every detail. ☕ Connor Storrie could be teaming up with Melissa McCarthy - and Victoria Beckham is already a fan ☕ DeuxMoi’s “nicest celebrities” list is out —  some of the entries are exactly who you’d hope (and a few might surprise you). ☕ The Spill’s Laura Brodnik has interviewed Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway — and that exclusive episode is dropping today. And don’t forget to tune into The Spill at 3pm for our exclusive interview with Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway.THE END BITS Once you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here. Find our new Bridgerton podcast in the Watch Party feed on Apple or Spotify. Support independent women's media Follow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here. Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here. CREDITS Host & Producer: Ash London Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hailey Bieber is Interview magazine’s newest cover star, and the interview and photoshoot initially seemed quite innocent…until fans got hold of one quote and all hell broke loose.And Olivia Rodrigo has released a new song, with a new album on the way, but if you know where to look for the hidden clues and Easter eggs in her lyrics, they tell the story of her secret breakup with her famous boyfriend. Allow us to decipher it for you.Plus, the wildest reality TV story of the year is playing out before our very eyes, and it involves a marriage breakdown, a friendship break-up, a secret affair, and now a tell-all magazine cover. But some newly released photos have changed the story, and we’re here to walk you through all of it.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, Rebel Wilson is in a Sydney courtroom and the details are genuinely wild. Plus, the Practical Magic 2 trailer has finally dropped and I have watched it four times already, and Anne Hathaway and Stanley Tucci interviewing each other for Vogue has me GAGGING for May 1 ☕ The Practical Magic 2 trailer is here and it's everything ☕ Rebel Wilson's defamation case kicks off ☕ Carrie Bickmore shares her gruesome injury photo ☕ We chat to MasterChef's Poh about this season's celebrity guests ☕ Anne Hathaway and Stanley Tucci for Vogue ahead of Devil Wears Prada 2 THE END BITS Once you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here. Find our new Bridgerton podcast in the Watch Party feed on Apple or Spotify. Support independent women's media Follow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here. Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here. CREDITS Host & Producer: Ash London Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Meghan and Harry have left Australia after just four days, but the conversation around their visit is far from over. What was meant to be a relatively low-key series of appearances — school visits, community events, and a speaking engagement — has instead turned into another round of global headlines. From claims about how the trip was funded to criticism of Meghan's Besties Retreat appearance, the narrative overseas has been loud, divided, and very familiar. Plus, Coachella Weekend Two delivered its own chaos — Sabrina Carpenter bringing out Madonna in a surprise moment that we won't be getting over any time soon, Billie Eilish getting pulled on stage for an emotional Belieber moment, and a bigger conversation about whether festival crowds are actually… participating anymore. Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, Zayn Malik has allegedly punched Louis Tomlinson in the face and killed a Netflix show in the process. Plus - Bieber's Coachella redemption arc is complete, and Billie Eilish losing her mind on stage is the most wholesome thing I've seen all year. ☕ Bieber brings out Billie Eilish at Coachella and she completely fangirls. We love it.  ☕ Zayn allegedly punched Louis and their Netflix docuseries is cancelled.  ☕ Charlize Theron opens up about the night her mother shot her father. ☕ Holly Valance has a new man...and the details are very interesting THE END BITS Once you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here. Find our new Bridgerton podcast in the Watch Party feed on Apple or Spotify. Support independent women's media Follow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here. Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here. CREDITS Host & Producer: Ash London Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You know her, you love her, and somehow it’s been 25 years since Bridget Jones’s Diary first hit screens. And honestly… we have thoughts. Because what was once sold to us as a cautionary tale about dating, work, wine consumption and embarrassing yourself in public? Yeah… we accidentally took it as aspirational. And we need to talk about it.We unpack our own complicated relationship with Bridget, revisit the behind-the-scenes facts and iconic bits of lore that still shock us to this day (yes, Em is still recovering), and ask the big question: how is this movie problematic in hindsight yet more beloved than ever?Plus, we get into the parts of Bridget Jones’s Diary that absolutely don’t hold up today — and why, despite all of it, we still can’t help but love the film with every fibre in our beings. And finally, the one big takeaway from Bridget’s world that we firmly believe you should hold as your north star... Want more Bridget Jones content? Listen to more deep dives into the movie as it approaches 25 years since release. Link here.  Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women.SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY:Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

First, a PSA for one of the most critically acclaimed (and genuinely laugh-out-loud) shows on television, which has just returned for its final season. If you’ve somehow missed it until now, this is your sign to finally start - because the hype is very real.Then, a terrifying cult-favourite series is back, dropping us into a mysterious town no one can escape… where the real danger only comes out at night. It’s creepy, addictive, and not for the faint-hearted.Plus, a brand-new comedy about a young woman whose life takes a chaotic turn after an unexpected pregnancy - leading her into a very unconventional career path. It’s sharp, funny, and packed with big performances and even bigger family dynamics.Three TV shows. Zero excuses to leave the house. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women.Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Read more weekly watch recommendations from the Mamamia entertainment team here.  Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We’re breaking down the chaotic Married at First Sight reunion, and if you thought the finale was dramatic, nothing could prepare us for the secret audio that caught one groom’s terrifying true colours.This week, the scorecard for the season was officially tallied - and with only one couple walking in together, we need to talk about why this year felt like an exercise in public humiliation for the women involved.Plus we discuss the fallout from the Danny/Steph/Bec triangle. We’re dissecting the story they told about those leaked bikini photos and how that aggressive off-camera audio proves why this groom might be one of the most manipulative contestants the show has ever seen.Plus, we’re unpacking the logic behind Steven’s "seasonal" approach to romance (spoiler: there is none) and hear why his pathetic excuses had us feeling "broken but hopeful" for the end of the season.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This morning, Khloe Kardashian is pissed at Lamar (and rightly so!).  I mean, the man should be kissing her feet at this point.  Plus - more details on what's in store for Practical Magic 2, and Meghan Markle's Aussie itinerary takes an interesting turn.  ☕ We have plot details for Practical Magic 2 ☕ Meghan Markle appears on an unexpected Aussie TV show ☕ Khloe Kardashian is PISSED at Lamar  ☕ Pacey and Joey walk the red carpet together. We die.  ☕ The latest Emily Henry film has been cast...and it's perfect.  THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Fans of Emily Henry’s best-selling novel, Beach Read, have been left devastated today when the casting choices for the highly anticipated movie adaptation of the book were announced. We now know the name of the nepo baby starring opposite Bridgerton star Phoebe Dynevor in the romantic comedy, and fans are furious.And the internet lost its mind this week when Call Her Daddy host Alex Cooper called out one of the biggest TikTok stars in the world, Alix Earle, in a video challenging her to share the allegations she had been alluding to for weeks. Now, more famous names have escalated the situation, and we’re here to tell you exactly what happened.Plus, Lena Dunham has released her new memoir Famesick, and it’s packed with never-before-told stories about her life and career. We unpack her tale of cheating on Jack Antonoff, uncover the mystery pop star at the centre of her relationship break-up, and break down the wildly disturbing allegations she made against Girls co-star Adam Driver.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lots going on, babes! Meghan Markle has touched down on Aussie soil and we're already obsessed with her looks, Britney makes a huge step in the right direction and one for the Spidey fans (or those of us who are just obsessed with Zendaya and Tom Holalnd) ☕ K Fed responds to Britney Spears' trip to rehab ☕ A serious allegation has been made against Katy Perry, which she is flatly denying ☕ Spider-Man has a new name and it's completely unhinged ☕ Lin-Manuel Miranda just announced the most stacked cast imaginable ☕ Meghan Markle has arrived! THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There’s a buzzy new show in town that one of our hosts (and the rest of Australia it seems) have fallen so madly in love with that we have to tell you about it immediately. Plus, Bridgerton star Phoebe Dynevor has given quite an explosive interview about why she has not returned to the hit Netflix show and we need to discuss what the repercussions are. And Laura is back from her stint on The Devil Wears Prada 2 press tour and she’s ready to take you behind the scenes and tell you exactly what Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway are like when the cameras stop rolling, what you won’t see on social media when it comes to this global tour and a few secrets about what to expect from the movie.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

If you're a fan of J Lo's rom-com era then I am delighted to announce that it's BACK, baby!  And she's got a surprising and very exciting co-host this time around.  Plus, heaps more to sink your teeth into this morning... ☕ Chappell Roan is owed an apology ☕ MAFS Danny Hewitt's unseen footage has dropped and it is SO much worse than you think ☕ Nicole Kidman has revealed she's training for a surprising new career ☕ Jennifer Lopez is back in her romcom era (THANK GOD!) ☕ Phoebe Dynevor has finally revealed why she's not in Bridgerton anymore THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha IswaranMamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Well, the Euphoria season three red carpet has taken place, and it was even more dramatic than we expected it to be.  From Zendaya running from photos (and co-stars) and Jacob Elordi’s reaction, we need to talk about what was happening behind the scenes.And speaking of Jacob Elordi, the first weekend of Coachella has taken place, and there are so many celeb cameos that we need to unpack. From Jacob’s rumoured make-out session with Kendall Jenner, to an aspirational moment between Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry, and Sabrina Carpenter’s public apology, we need to urgently discuss everything that took place.Plus, Justin Bieber was the headline act for the first week, and his performance has divided the world. Now we need to share an unpopular opinion about what was really going on. ***Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lots of Coachella news from weekend one in the Californian desert, but everyone's divided over Justin Bieber's set.  Was it a work of genius, or a ten million dollar display of excessive laziness?  Plus Sabrina Carpenter gets an education on middle eastern yodeling and drama on the set of Euphoria.  ☕ Justin Bieber's Coachella Set Divides ☕ Sabrina Carpenter's yodel-gate ☕ Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau hit Coachella in style ☕ Labrinth slams the Euphoria team with some heavy accusations  ☕ Michael Jackson's sons steps out to support him (with a new name!) THE END BITS Once you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.Find our new Bridgerton podcast in the Watch Party feed on Apple or Spotify. Support independent women's media Follow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here. Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here CREDITSHost & Producer: Ash LondonExecutive Producer: Monisha IswaranBecome a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Off the back of the internet’s collective obsession with the plot twist in Zendaya and Robert Pattinson’s new movie The Drama, it got us thinking: when did movies stop playing by the rules? In this special Friday roundup, Laura and Em dissect the movies that lured us in with the promise of a stock standard story, only to hit us with a reveal that had absolutely no right to be there. From the rom-com reveal that everyone in the cinema was gasping at to the one ending so notorious it still makes people’s faces darken with rage, we’re covering it all.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now.Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news…OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here.THE END BITSFind and follow us on socials:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/Support Independent Women’s Media:https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women.Want to join the conversation?Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.  Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

If your idea of a perfect weekend involves an Aperol Spritz and a sun-drenched Italian villa, we have a spot-on recco of the film that gives strong Eat Pray Love vibes. From Rege-Jean Page’s posh accents to the whimsical vineyard frolicking, learn why this cheesy rom-com is exactly what the world needs right now.We’re also talking about the return of a series that asks: What if the world’s biggest superheroes were actually the villains?. With the final season officially underway, we discuss the ‘bloody’ stakes for a show that we need more girls to watch.Finally, we return to a familiar dystopian world for a new chapter set 15 years after we last saw June. This sequel focuses on the next generation navigating a chilling regime, and we reveal why this version of the story feels surprisingly more like an "action-adventure" than the original nightmare.Listen to Laura's chaotic story of interviewing Regé-Jean Page and Halle Bailey here.  Read more weekly watch recommendations from the Mamamia entertainment team here. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news…OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITSFind and follow us on socials:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia:Discover more Mamamia podcasts here: Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the show today, we’re breaking down the two-part finale of Married at First Sight Australia, and even if you think you’ve seen it all, you are going to want to hear about the secret footage that didn’t make the final edit.This week we saw the rise of the "out-victim the victim" strategy and a dinner party that felt more like a scripted movie than reality, and we need to talk about the fallout from Gia and Scott’s explosive exit.Plus, the aftermath of the final vows was brutal, with one groom delivering a mic-drop line that left us cheering and his bride flailing. We need to explain why Bec’s "delulu" behaviour in the forest had us screaming at the screen and what "cross-pollination" means for the upcoming reunion. Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news…OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here.THE END BITSFind and follow us on socials:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia:Discover more Mamamia podcasts here:Support Independent Women’s Media:https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women.Want to join the conversation?Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] and we’ll get back to you ASAP!Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, some very happy baby news, Euphoria is back and fans are already dissecting the red carpet, Laura Brodnik sends in an update from a wildly glamorous celebrity interview, and Ryan Seacrest’s dating standards are… oddly intense. ☕ Aubrey Plaza has big news  ☕ Euphoria has finally returned with a star-studded red carpet, emotional tributes, and one little detail that has feud rumours swirling again. ☕ We’ve got the latest on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni legal battle so you don’t have to decode the headlines yourself. ☕ Laura Brodnik checks in from Korea after a huge celebrity interview that The Spill listeners are going to lose it over. ☕ Rege-Jean Page has thoughts on Bridgerton — plus new season five casting is officially here. ☕ Ryan Seacrest has revealed his dating icks and let’s just say… good luck out there. And don’t forget to tune into The Spill at 3pm for your daily deep dive into the pop culture moments everyone will be talking about. THE END BITSOnce you’ve devoured this morning’s celeb stories, get your daily news headlines from The Quicky here.You can now watch some of our episodes in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to seeLINK: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-spill/id1473523403Support independent women's mediaFollow us on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. And subscribe to our Youtube channel. Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here.CREDITSHost & Producer: Monisha Iswaran  Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.