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The True Representation Movement Podcast
by The True Rep Movement
This is the official Podcast of The True Representation Movement. The True Representation Movement is an initiative designed to elect representatives to the U.S. House of Representatives who commit to voting on all bills strictly according to the will of the people. For more, please go to: https://jointrm.com/The TRM Podcast is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Season 5: Episode 10: A TRM Roundtable with Misurell, Oddo and Pekin
In this special episode, we bring together Metin Pekin, Travis Misurell, and Joe Oddo to confront a growing reality: Modern democracy is not just underperforming: It is structurally misaligned with the people it is meant to serve. The conversation moves past personalities and election cycles to focus on deeper systemic failures, especially the role of political parties as gatekeepers that filter candidates, shape incentives, and trap voters in a perpetual lesser-of-two-evils choice. Drawing on history, lived political experience, and current events, the panel argues that this structure weakens accountability and turns citizens into spectators rather than participants.From diagnosis, the discussion shifts to construction. Travis outlines a vision for new civic infrastructure that reconnects citizens directly with candidates, surfaces real-time public sentiment, and reduces the fragmentation that prevents alternative movements from gaining traction. Joe, running for Congress as an independent, brings this into practice—proposing a model where representatives act as direct conduits of citizen input, effectively transforming voters into an ongoing decision-making force rather than a passive electorate. Metin reinforces the structural lens, arguing that without changing the underlying system, especially the dominance of parties, no meaningful reform can take hold.Across perspectives, a shared insight emerges: the paradox of our time is that people are more informed and more dissatisfied than ever, yet remain politically ineffective. Media dynamics, cultural habits, and entrenched incentives all reinforce this gap, absorbing dissent without translating it into change. This episode pushes beyond critique to a harder question: If the current system neutralizes opposition by design, what new structures are required to restore real representation and make democracy actually function?
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Season 5: Episode 9: A TRM Roundtable with Misurell, Oddo and Pekin
In this special episode, we bring together Metin Pekin, Travis Misurell, and Joe Oddo to confront a growing reality: Modern democracy is not just underperforming: It is structurally misaligned with the people it is meant to serve. The conversation moves past personalities and election cycles to focus on deeper systemic failures, especially the role of political parties as gatekeepers that filter candidates, shape incentives, and trap voters in a perpetual lesser-of-two-evils choice. Drawing on history, lived political experience, and current events, the panel argues that this structure weakens accountability and turns citizens into spectators rather than participants.From diagnosis, the discussion shifts to construction. Travis outlines a vision for new civic infrastructure that reconnects citizens directly with candidates, surfaces real-time public sentiment, and reduces the fragmentation that prevents alternative movements from gaining traction. Joe, running for Congress as an independent, brings this into practice—proposing a model where representatives act as direct conduits of citizen input, effectively transforming voters into an ongoing decision-making force rather than a passive electorate. Metin reinforces the structural lens, arguing that without changing the underlying system, especially the dominance of parties, no meaningful reform can take hold.Across perspectives, a shared insight emerges: the paradox of our time is that people are more informed and more dissatisfied than ever, yet remain politically ineffective. Media dynamics, cultural habits, and entrenched incentives all reinforce this gap, absorbing dissent without translating it into change. This episode pushes beyond critique to a harder question: If the current system neutralizes opposition by design, what new structures are required to restore real representation and make democracy actually function?
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Season 5: Episode 8: Meet TRM Candidate Joe Oddo (Part 2 of 2)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Joe Oddo at a pivotal moment: Not of theory, but of action. After years of developing and refining the ideas behind the True Representative Movement (TRM), Joe steps forward as a candidate for U.S. Congress in South Carolina’s 6th District, challenging the dominance of the two-party system.Joe shares the intellectual roots of his candidacy, drawing on the long-standing vision of a “people’s branch” of government, an idea that predates modern technology but is now newly possible through AI-enabled civic participation. At the heart of his campaign is a simple but radical premise: representatives should not lead—they should execute the will of the people, informed directly and continuously.The conversation explores the political reality on the ground in South Carolina, including the entrenched power of long-serving incumbents and the broader implications for democratic accountability. Joe and Ahmed critique a system in which elected officials often become insulated from voters, beholden instead to party structures and donor networks.The conversation also outlines a strategic path forward. With Congress increasingly divided, even a small bloc of independent representatives—six to eight—could hold the balance of power, forcing genuine negotiation and compromise. This “fulcrum strategy” offers a concrete alternative to partisan gridlock and performative politics.Beyond electoral tactics, the episode makes a broader call: For citizens to reclaim their role in governance. Joe argues that meaningful change begins not with massive mobilization, but with small, consistent acts of participation—just minutes each week to review, understand, and vote on legislation as part of a coordinated civic “swarm.”This is not just a campaign. It’s an experiment in re-engineering democracy itself.For more on Joe Odd's candidacy, go to: https://bettercandidates.org/
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Season 5: Episode 7: Meet TRM Candidate Joe Oddo (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Joe Oddo at a pivotal moment: Not of theory, but of action. After years of developing and refining the ideas behind the True Representative Movement (TRM), Joe steps forward as a candidate for U.S. Congress in South Carolina’s 6th District, challenging the dominance of the two-party system.Joe shares the intellectual roots of his candidacy, drawing on the long-standing vision of a “people’s branch” of government, an idea that predates modern technology but is now newly possible through AI-enabled civic participation. At the heart of his campaign is a simple but radical premise: representatives should not lead—they should execute the will of the people, informed directly and continuously.The conversation explores the political reality on the ground in South Carolina, including the entrenched power of long-serving incumbents and the broader implications for democratic accountability. Joe and Ahmed critique a system in which elected officials often become insulated from voters, beholden instead to party structures and donor networks.The conversation also outlines a strategic path forward. With Congress increasingly divided, even a small bloc of independent representatives—six to eight—could hold the balance of power, forcing genuine negotiation and compromise. This “fulcrum strategy” offers a concrete alternative to partisan gridlock and performative politics.Beyond electoral tactics, the episode makes a broader call: For citizens to reclaim their role in governance. Joe argues that meaningful change begins not with massive mobilization, but with small, consistent acts of participation—just minutes each week to review, understand, and vote on legislation as part of a coordinated civic “swarm.”This is not just a campaign. It’s an experiment in re-engineering democracy itself.For more on Joe Odd's candidacy, go to: https://bettercandidates.org/
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Season 5: Episode 6: On Democracy without Political Parties - Metin Pekin (Part 2 of 2)
In this episode, I sit down with Metin Pekin, whose upcoming book Breaking Democracy’s Chains offers one of the clearest, most urgent diagnoses of our democratic crisis. We dive into why political parties no longer represent the people, how modern democracies have been quietly captured by elite interests, and what it will take to rebuild a system that is genuinely responsive to citizens. Pekin brings the perspective of an entrepreneur, not a career politician or academic—making this conversation refreshingly grounded, deeply informed, and essential for anyone who senses that something in our politics has gone profoundly wrong. Tune in for a timely, wide-ranging discussion about how democracy broke—and how we can still fix it.For more on and from Metin:Website - https://www.metinpekin.com/Goodreads - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/243921128-breaking-democracy-s-chainsAmazon - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1TY9MCPBookshop - https://bookshop.org/p/books/breaking-democracy-s-chains-freeing-and-fortifying-democracy-against-hidden-capture-metin-pekin/e6e25b1f4660eb7e
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Season 5: Episode 5: On Democracy without Political Parties - Metin Pekin (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode, I sit down with Metin Pekin, whose upcoming book Breaking Democracy’s Chains offers one of the clearest, most urgent diagnoses of our democratic crisis. We dive into why political parties no longer represent the people, how modern democracies have been quietly captured by elite interests, and what it will take to rebuild a system that is genuinely responsive to citizens. Pekin brings the perspective of an entrepreneur, not a career politician or academic—making this conversation refreshingly grounded, deeply informed, and essential for anyone who senses that something in our politics has gone profoundly wrong. Tune in for a timely, wide-ranging discussion about how democracy broke—and how we can still fix it.For more on and from Metin:Website - https://www.metinpekin.com/Goodreads - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/243921128-breaking-democracy-s-chainsAmazon - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1TY9MCPBookshop - https://bookshop.org/p/books/breaking-democracy-s-chains-freeing-and-fortifying-democracy-against-hidden-capture-metin-pekin/e6e25b1f4660eb7e
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Season 5: Episode 4: On FINC - A Platform for Democracy - Travis Misurell (Part 2 of 2)
In this episode, we are joined by Travis Misurell, founder of the he Future Is Now Coalition (FINC), for a wide-ranging and refreshingly concrete conversation about what it would actually take to fix a broken democratic system. Travis brings a rare combination of logistics thinking, technical fluency, and psychological insight to a problem most people treat as either abstract or hopeless. Rather than arguing left versus right, his work reframes politics as people-first versus power-first, and focuses on the structural failures that prevent real representation long before voters ever reach the ballot box.We dive into why candidate selection is the true choke point of democracy, how money, party gatekeepers, and establishment media quietly narrow our choices, and why most political reform efforts fail to reach critical mass. Travis lays out a bold but pragmatic vision for “digital politics” and “digital democracy”: A shared civic infrastructure that connects citizens, independent journalists, grassroots candidates, and reform movements into a single, people-owned platform. Along the way, we talk about coordination versus fragmentation, awareness versus power, and why upgrading democracy may be less about ideology than about finally modernizing how we choose and hold leaders accountable.This conversation isn’t about slogans or fantasies. It’s about mechanisms, sequencing, and the hard work of building something real—together.For more about Travis and his work, please visit:- https://futureis.org/- https://www.linkedin.com/company/futureisnowcoalition/- https://www.linkedin.com/in/tmisurell/
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Season 5: Episode 3: On FINC - A Platform for Democracy - Travis Misurell (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode, we are joined by Travis Misurell, founder of the he Future Is Now Coalition (FINC), for a wide-ranging and refreshingly concrete conversation about what it would actually take to fix a broken democratic system. Travis brings a rare combination of logistics thinking, technical fluency, and psychological insight to a problem most people treat as either abstract or hopeless. Rather than arguing left versus right, his work reframes politics as people-first versus power-first, and focuses on the structural failures that prevent real representation long before voters ever reach the ballot box.We dive into why candidate selection is the true choke point of democracy, how money, party gatekeepers, and establishment media quietly narrow our choices, and why most political reform efforts fail to reach critical mass. Travis lays out a bold but pragmatic vision for “digital politics” and “digital democracy”: A shared civic infrastructure that connects citizens, independent journalists, grassroots candidates, and reform movements into a single, people-owned platform. Along the way, we talk about coordination versus fragmentation, awareness versus power, and why upgrading democracy may be less about ideology than about finally modernizing how we choose and hold leaders accountable.This conversation isn’t about slogans or fantasies. It’s about mechanisms, sequencing, and the hard work of building something real—together.For more about Travis and his work, please visit:- https://futureis.org/- https://www.linkedin.com/company/futureisnowcoalition/- https://www.linkedin.com/in/tmisurell/
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Season 5: Episode 2: Running for DC Ward #1 - Rashida Brown (Part 2 of 2)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast, we sit down with Rashida Brown, a longtime Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner and Democratic candidate for the Ward 1 seat on the DC City Council. With more than a decade of experience serving residents on the ground, Brown brings a rare combination of practical governance, deep community ties, and a systems-level understanding of how local power actually works.Our conversation moves beyond campaign slogans and into the real mechanics of democracy in Washington, DC: how decisions get made, who gets heard, and why working-class and immigrant communities so often bear the costs of policies shaped by a small, organized minority. We discuss housing, public safety, the limits of siloed government agencies, the politics of “not-in-my-backyard” opposition, and the controversial stadium deal that redirected public money away from urgent social needs.Throughout the episode, Brown lays out a vision of leadership rooted in people power rather than special interests, drawing on her background as a social worker, her experience navigating DC’s advisory commission system, and her belief that democracy only works when regular citizens are actively empowered to shape outcomes.This is a candid, substantive conversation about what local government can be—and what it must become—if it is to truly serve the many rather than the few.For more about Rashida Brown, please visit: https://rashidaforward1.com/
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Season 5: Episode 1: Running for DC Ward #1 - Rashida Brown (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast, we sit down with Rashida Brown, a longtime Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner and Democratic candidate for the Ward 1 seat on the DC City Council. With more than a decade of experience serving residents on the ground, Brown brings a rare combination of practical governance, deep community ties, and a systems-level understanding of how local power actually works.Our conversation moves beyond campaign slogans and into the real mechanics of democracy in Washington, DC: how decisions get made, who gets heard, and why working-class and immigrant communities so often bear the costs of policies shaped by a small, organized minority. We discuss housing, public safety, the limits of siloed government agencies, the politics of “not-in-my-backyard” opposition, and the controversial stadium deal that redirected public money away from urgent social needs.Throughout the episode, Brown lays out a vision of leadership rooted in people power rather than special interests, drawing on her background as a social worker, her experience navigating DC’s advisory commission system, and her belief that democracy only works when regular citizens are actively empowered to shape outcomes.This is a candid, substantive conversation about what local government can be—and what it must become—if it is to truly serve the many rather than the few.For more about Rashida Brown, please visit: https://rashidaforward1.com/
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Season 4 - Episode 12: On Citizen Power - Mila Atmos (Part 2 of 2)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast, we speak with Mila Atmos, creator and host of Future Hindsight, about what it really takes to revitalize American democracy from the ground up.Drawing on eight years of interviewing civic leaders, reformers, and everyday doers, Mila explains why local and state engagement—not national spectacle—is where citizens have the most real-world power. She shares how she began her podcast in the aftermath of 2016, driven by a simple question: What can ordinary people do beyond voting?The conversation dives into:1 - Why civic engagement works best locally—and why showing up to a city council meeting can have outsized impact.2- The myth of a deeply divided America and how media incentives manufacture polarization despite broad public agreement on core issues.3 - Lessons from 2016, 2020, and 2024, and why repeated “change elections” keep producing disappointment.4 - How special interests and structural barriers—from the Electoral College to Senate malapportionment—sabotage majority rule.5 - The crisis-as-opportunity moment we’re living through, and what it will take to channel it into genuine democratic renewal.6 - The power of ordinary citizens solving tangible problems, from transit issues to food insecurity among seniors, and how real wins can spark broader political participation.7 - New models for representation, including representatives who pledge to vote exactly as their constituents instruct—issue by issue.Mila also shares the mission behind Future Hindsight: to give listeners the insight, energy, and confidence to act—to think differently about citizenship so they can act differently in their communities.It’s a wide-ranging, hopeful, and deeply practical conversation between two people committed to rebuilding democracy not through theory, but through doing.
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Season 4 - Episode 11: On Citizen Power - Mila Atmos (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast, we speak with Mila Atmos, creator and host of Future Hindsight, about what it really takes to revitalize American democracy from the ground up.Drawing on eight years of interviewing civic leaders, reformers, and everyday doers, Mila explains why local and state engagement—not national spectacle—is where citizens have the most real-world power. She shares how she began her podcast in the aftermath of 2016, driven by a simple question: What can ordinary people do beyond voting?The conversation dives into:1 - Why civic engagement works best locally—and why showing up to a city council meeting can have outsized impact.2- The myth of a deeply divided America and how media incentives manufacture polarization despite broad public agreement on core issues.3 - Lessons from 2016, 2020, and 2024, and why repeated “change elections” keep producing disappointment.4 - How special interests and structural barriers—from the Electoral College to Senate malapportionment—sabotage majority rule.5 - The crisis-as-opportunity moment we’re living through, and what it will take to channel it into genuine democratic renewal.6 - The power of ordinary citizens solving tangible problems, from transit issues to food insecurity among seniors, and how real wins can spark broader political participation.7 - New models for representation, including representatives who pledge to vote exactly as their constituents instruct—issue by issue.Mila also shares the mission behind Future Hindsight: to give listeners the insight, energy, and confidence to act—to think differently about citizenship so they can act differently in their communities.It’s a wide-ranging, hopeful, and deeply practical conversation between two people committed to rebuilding democracy not through theory, but through doing.
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Season 4 - Episode 10: Demystifying Democracy: The Pine State Experiment - Emerson & Van Horn (Part 2 of 2)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast, we speak with Bowdoin College students Natalie Emerson and Larson Van Horn, creators of the Pine State Politics in Session podcast. What began as an academic project has become a powerful civic experiment in demystifying democracy. Emerson and Van Horn take us inside the process — petitions, ranked-choice voting, clean election funding — the often-invisible machinery that makes democracy work. Their mission is simple but profound: to replace cynicism with understanding by showing how the system actually functions, and how ordinary citizens can engage it with intelligence and purpose. From their experience gathering signatures on a Senate campaign to interviewing figures across the political spectrum, they remind us that democracy is not a spectator sport.A grounded, hopeful conversation with two voices of the next generation who are learning — and teaching — what democratic participation really means.
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Season 4 - Episode 9: Demystifying Democracy: The Pine State Experiment - Emerson & Van Horn (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast, we speak with Bowdoin College students Natalie Emerson and Larson Van Horn, creators of the Pine State Politics in Session podcast. What began as an academic project has become a powerful civic experiment in demystifying democracy. Emerson and Van Horn take us inside the process — petitions, ranked-choice voting, clean election funding — the often-invisible machinery that makes democracy work. Their mission is simple but profound: to replace cynicism with understanding by showing how the system actually functions, and how ordinary citizens can engage it with intelligence and purpose. From their experience gathering signatures on a Senate campaign to interviewing figures across the political spectrum, they remind us that democracy is not a spectator sport.A grounded, hopeful conversation with two voices of the next generation who are learning — and teaching — what democratic participation really means.
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Season 4: Episode 8: Beyond Hearts and Minds: On Advocating for Palestine - Josh Ruebner (Part 2 of 2)
In this episode, we are joined by Josh Ruebner — Policy Director at the Institute for Middle East Understanding, author, and scholar of U.S.–Palestine relations — for a deep dive conversation about genocide, accountability, and the state of U.S. politics. We reflect on how conditions for Palestinians have worsened over the past two decades, the role of social media in exposing atrocities in real time, and the dramatic shift in American public opinion toward ending military support for Israel. Yet, despite this overwhelming public sentiment, Congress continues to greenlight weapons and aid—laying bare the disconnect between the will of the people and the actions of their representatives. For TRM, this crisis is more than a foreign policy issue; it is a stark example of why our democracy must be restructured to reflect the collective wisdom and values of ordinary people. The conversation highlights both the urgency of addressing U.S. complicity in human rights abuses and the broader need for a political system that is truly representative.
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Season 4: Episode 7: Beyond Hearts and Minds: On Advocating for Palestine - Josh Ruebner (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode, we are joined by Josh Ruebner — Policy Director at the Institute for Middle East Understanding, author, and scholar of U.S.–Palestine relations — for a deep dive conversation about genocide, accountability, and the state of U.S. politics. We reflect on how conditions for Palestinians have worsened over the past two decades, the role of social media in exposing atrocities in real time, and the dramatic shift in American public opinion toward ending military support for Israel. Yet, despite this overwhelming public sentiment, Congress continues to greenlight weapons and aid—laying bare the disconnect between the will of the people and the actions of their representatives. For TRM, this crisis is more than a foreign policy issue; it is a stark example of why our democracy must be restructured to reflect the collective wisdom and values of ordinary people. The conversation highlights both the urgency of addressing U.S. complicity in human rights abuses and the broader need for a political system that is truly representative.
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Season 4: Episode 6: Running for Congress in 2026 - Christopher Ajluni (Part 2)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Christopher Ajluni, an independent candidate for Arizona’s 1st Congressional District. From his roots as a 2008 Obama delegate to his bold decision to run a no-money campaign, Ajluni lays out a vision for politics that rejects the stranglehold of big donors and entrenched parties. We cover everything from campaign finance reform and universal healthcare to the promise of a four-day workweek and the urgent need for authentic, people-first leadership. Honest, unscripted, and unafraid to take on sacred cows, this conversation is a candid look at what it takes to challenge a broken system.
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Season 4: Episode 5: Christopher Ajluni - On Running for Congress in 2026 (Part 1)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Christopher Ajluni, an independent candidate for Arizona’s 1st Congressional District. From his roots as a 2008 Obama delegate to his bold decision to run a no-money campaign, Ajluni lays out a vision for politics that rejects the stranglehold of big donors and entrenched parties. We cover everything from campaign finance reform and universal healthcare to the promise of a four-day workweek and the urgent need for authentic, people-first leadership. Honest, unscripted, and unafraid to take on sacred cows, this conversation is a candid look at what it takes to challenge a broken system.
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Season 4, Episode 4: Robert Talisse - On Civic Solitude: (Part 2)
In this episode, we sit down with philosopher Robert Talisse to explore the ideas behind his book Civic Solitude: Why Democracy Needs Distance. Talisse argues that while democracy thrives on public participation, it also requires something quieter — moments of reflection and distance from the noise. We talk about polarization, the hidden costs of constant engagement, and why institutions like libraries and museums might be just as essential to democracy as voting booths. This conversation is about rethinking what it really means to be a citizen in today’s fractured political landscape.
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Season 4, Episode 3: Robert Talisse - On Civic Solitude: (Part 1)
In this episode, we sit down with philosopher Robert Talisse to explore the ideas behind his book Civic Solitude: Why Democracy Needs Distance. Talisse argues that while democracy thrives on public participation, it also requires something quieter — moments of reflection and distance from the noise. We talk about polarization, the hidden costs of constant engagement, and why institutions like libraries and museums might be just as essential to democracy as voting booths. This conversation is about rethinking what it really means to be a citizen in today’s fractured political landscape.
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Season 4, Episode 2: Bill Pluecker - On Being a State Rep. In Maine (Part 2)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast our guest is Bill Pluecker, a farmer, small business owner, and independent representative for Maine’s 44th District. Bill’s work in the legislature is grounded in his life on the farm, giving him a rare perspective on how laws actually affect communities. In this conversation, we talk about what it means to serve in a citizen legislature, how Maine connects local farmers to those who need food most, and the delicate balancing act between economic development, environmental goals, and preserving farmland.
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Season 4, Episode 1: Bill Pluecker - On Being a State Rep. In Maine (Part 1)
In this episode of The TRM Podcast our guest is Bill Pluecker, a farmer, small business owner, and independent representative for Maine’s 44th District. Bill’s work in the legislature is grounded in his life on the farm, giving him a rare perspective on how laws actually affect communities. In this conversation, we talk about what it means to serve in a citizen legislature, how Maine connects local farmers to those who need food most, and the delicate balancing act between economic development, environmental goals, and preserving farmland.
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Season 3, Episode 12: Hugo Balta - On Solutions Journalism (Part 2)
This episode of the TRM Podcast features an in-depth conversation with journalist Hugo Balta, Executive Editor of The Fulcrum. We explore the principles of solutions journalism reporting that not only identifies problems but also examines real-world responses with evidence and accountability. Balta challenges the myth of media objectivity, arguing instead for fairness, accuracy, and transparency shaped by diverse lived experiences. Drawing on his decades in mainstream outlets like MSNBC, CBS, and ABC, he shares firsthand insights into how newsrooms have shifted from journalism to ratings-driven entertainment. Together we discuss the press’s responsibility to hold power to account, the dangers of echo chambers, and why media literacy is essential for a healthy democracy.
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Season 3, Episode 11: Hugo Balta - On Solutions Journalism (Part 1)
This episode of the TRM Podcast features an in-depth conversation with journalist Hugo Balta, Executive Editor of The Fulcrum. We explore the principles of solutions journalism reporting that not only identifies problems but also examines real-world responses with evidence and accountability. Balta challenges the myth of media objectivity, arguing instead for fairness, accuracy, and transparency shaped by diverse lived experiences. Drawing on his decades in mainstream outlets like MSNBC, CBS, and ABC, he shares firsthand insights into how newsrooms have shifted from journalism to ratings-driven entertainment. Together we discuss the press’s responsibility to hold power to account, the dangers of echo chambers, and why media literacy is essential for a healthy democracy.
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Season 3, Episode 10: Sung Jun Han - On Lottocracy (Part 2)
In this episode of the TR Podcast, we speak with Sung Jun Han, a promising political philosophy doctoral candidate, about the future of democratic governance. The conversation dives into Han’s research on "Lottocracy" — a radical yet historically grounded alternative to electoral representation that proposes selecting legislators by lottery rather than through elections. Han explores the philosophical underpinnings of the model, its potential to address elite capture and systemic bias, and introduces his unique "Madisonian framing," which tempers legislative power by emphasizing citizen filtering and referendum. Together, they unpack what meaningful democratic reform might look like in a time of deep political dysfunction.More about our guest at: https://sungjunhan.com/
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Season 3, Episode 9: Sung Jun Han - On Lottocracy (Part 1)
In this episode of the TR Podcast, we speak with Sung Jun Han, a promising political philosophy doctoral candidate, about the future of democratic governance. The conversation dives into Han’s research on "Lottocracy" — a radical yet historically grounded alternative to electoral representation that proposes selecting legislators by lottery rather than through elections. Han explores the philosophical underpinnings of the model, its potential to address elite capture and systemic bias, and introduces his unique "Madisonian framing," which tempers legislative power by emphasizing citizen filtering and referendum. Together, they unpack what meaningful democratic reform might look like in a time of deep political dysfunction.More about our guest at: https://sungjunhan.com/
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Season 3, Episode 8: Jennifer Chace - On Listening Schools (Part 2)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, Dr. Jennifer Chace joins us to discuss her groundbreaking work in transforming schools into democratic spaces where students are genuinely heard and empowered. Drawing from her dissertation, A Search for Moral Equality: Becoming a Listening School, Dr. Chace shares how she turned a grassroots action into a research-driven movement that trains students to gather peer perspectives, collaborate with educators, and co-create policy changes—from securing AP exam fee waivers to designing mental health curricula. The conversation explores the broader implications of this model, including its potential to revitalize civic life and decision-making at the community level. This is a must-listen for anyone interested in education, participatory democracy, and the future of civic engagement.#EducationReform #StudentVoice #DemocraticSchools #CivicEngagement #YouthEmpowerment #MoralEquality #ListeningSchool #TRMPodcast #JenniferChace #ParticipatoryDemocracy
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Season 3, Episode 7: Jennifer Chace - On Listening Schools (Part 1)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, Dr. Jennifer Chace joins us to discuss her groundbreaking work in transforming schools into democratic spaces where students are genuinely heard and empowered. Drawing from her dissertation, A Search for Moral Equality: Becoming a Listening School, Dr. Chace shares how she turned a grassroots action into a research-driven movement that trains students to gather peer perspectives, collaborate with educators, and co-create policy changes—from securing AP exam fee waivers to designing mental health curricula. The conversation explores the broader implications of this model, including its potential to revitalize civic life and decision-making at the community level. This is a must-listen for anyone interested in education, participatory democracy, and the future of civic engagement.#EducationReform #StudentVoice #DemocraticSchools #CivicEngagement #YouthEmpowerment #MoralEquality #ListeningSchool #TRMPodcast #JenniferChace #ParticipatoryDemocracy
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Season 3, Episode 6: Scott Aikin - On The Dark Enlightenment (Part 2)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Professor Scott Aikin to unpack the philosophy of "deep disagreement"—the idea that some of our political and cultural divides persist not because we’re irrational, but because we reason from fundamentally incompatible worldviews. From the theoretical roots of this concept to its exploitation by reactionary movements like the "Dark Enlightenment," Aikin explores how these divides are not just psychological but structural—and how bad-faith actors are using memes, mockery, and manufactured spectacle to bypass reason entirely. A powerful conversation about reason, identity, and the battleground of modern discourse.#DeepDisagreement #DarkEnlightenment #PhilosophyPodcast #PoliticalDiscourse #CultureWars #TRMPodcast #RedPill #ReasonAndRhetoric #Polarization #MemePolitics
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Season 3, Episode 5: Scott Aikin - On The Dark Enlightenment (Part 1)
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Professor Scott Aikin to unpack the philosophy of "deep disagreement"—the idea that some of our political and cultural divides persist not because we’re irrational, but because we reason from fundamentally incompatible worldviews. From the theoretical roots of this concept to its exploitation by reactionary movements like the "Dark Enlightenment," Aikin explores how these divides are not just psychological but structural—and how bad-faith actors are using memes, mockery, and manufactured spectacle to bypass reason entirely. A powerful conversation about reason, identity, and the battleground of modern discourse.#DeepDisagreement #DarkEnlightenment #PhilosophyPodcast #PoliticalDiscourse #CultureWars #TRMPodcast #RedPill #ReasonAndRhetoric #Polarization #MemePolitics
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Season 3, Episode 4: Jeff Schapiro - On Covering Local Politics
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Scholar at The University of Virginia Center for Politics and veteran political reporter, Jeff Shapiro, to reflect on his nearly 45 years covering Virginia politics. From his long tenure at the Richmond Times-Dispatch to his continuing commentary on public radio and and engagement as a Scholar at the University of Virginia, Shapiro brings a wealth of insight to a wide-ranging conversation that spans the reinvention of Virginia’s economy, the legacy of Jerry Connolly, the internal fractures within the Democratic Party, and the evolving role—and dysfunction—of political parties in American democracy. At once historical and timely, this discussion maps the deeper shifts behind today’s political turbulence. #VirginiaPolitics #JeffShapiro #DemocraticParty #JerryConnolly #AOC #PoliticalJournalism #Redistricting #PartyPolitics #AmericanDemocracy #TRMPodcast
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Season 3, Episode 3: Jeff Schapiro - On Covering Local Politics
In this episode of the TRM Podcast, we sit down with Scholar at The University of Virginia Center for Politics and veteran political reporter, Jeff Shapiro, to reflect on his nearly 45 years covering Virginia politics. From his long tenure at the Richmond Times-Dispatch to his continuing commentary on public radio and and engagement as a Scholar at the University of Virginia, Shapiro brings a wealth of insight to a wide-ranging conversation that spans the reinvention of Virginia’s economy, the legacy of Jerry Connolly, the internal fractures within the Democratic Party, and the evolving role—and dysfunction—of political parties in American democracy. At once historical and timely, this discussion maps the deeper shifts behind today’s political turbulence. #VirginiaPolitics #JeffShapiro #DemocraticParty #JerryConnolly #AOC #PoliticalJournalism #Redistricting #PartyPolitics #AmericanDemocracy #TRMPodcast
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Season 3, Episode 2: Nicholas Jacobs - On Executive Power
In this, part 2 of our conversation with Professor Nicholas Jacobs, Associate Professor of Government at Colby College and Director of the Public Policy Lab, we explore the deep disconnect between democratic ideals and political reality in the U.S. Drawing from his acclaimed book The Rural Voter and his forthcoming Subverting the Republic, Jacobs challenges popular narratives about Trumpism, executive power, and rural America. We discuss how state power is being strategically redeployed, why the liberal imagination fails to grasp rural discontent, and whether our current system is structurally incapable of true representation. This conversation is essential listening for anyone serious about reimagining democracy from the ground up.
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Season 3, Episode 1: Nicholas Jacobs - One Executive Power
In this, the first episode of the third season of The TRM Podcast, we sit down with Professor Nicholas Jacobs, Associate Professor of Government at Colby College and Director of the Public Policy Lab, to explore the deep disconnect between democratic ideals and political reality in the U.S. Drawing from his acclaimed book The Rural Voter and his forthcoming Subverting the Republic, Jacobs challenges popular narratives about Trumpism, executive power, and rural America. We discuss how state power is being strategically redeployed, why the liberal imagination fails to grasp rural discontent, and whether our current system is structurally incapable of true representation. This conversation is essential listening for anyone serious about reimagining democracy from the ground up.
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Season 2, Episode 10: Lisa Silvestri - On Citizen Engagement
In this follow-up conversation, the dialogue deepens around the urgency of action and the ineffectiveness of traditional protest without a strategic political aim. The host, representing the True Representation Movement (TRM), calls for moving beyond awareness and outrage—toward seizing political power. They critique decades of erosion in democratic responsiveness due to corporate influence, war-making without accountability, and the enduring grip of disproven ideas like trickle-down economics.Professor Lisa Silvestri affirms that many Americans feel morally and emotionally disturbed by the state of politics but are disconnected from meaningful political engagement. Her book Peace by Peace urges people to begin from what bothers them, identifying local issues as entry points to action. Together, they argue that anger, when paired with strategic goals—like running for office or reclaiming budget priorities—can convert despair into progress.They also explore why mass protests, like those surrounding Gaza, often fail to produce systemic change: not due to lack of energy, but due to lack of political education, clear goals, and pathways to structural engagement. The solution, they agree, is not just more talk, but tangible local action—grabbing seats, not just protesting policies. Silvestri shares how personal grievance (bike lanes, oversized trash bins) can propel people into city council meetings—and from there, into positions of power.Ultimately, they call for an ethos of action: citizens recognizing their lack of representation, reclaiming agency, and taking steps—from the modest to the bold—to build a just and peaceful society from the ground up.
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Season 2, Episode 9: Lisa Silvestri - On Citizen Engagement
In this conversation, Professor Lisa Silvestri discusses her book Peace by Peace: Risking Public Action, Creating Social Change, emphasizing the vital yet overlooked role of risk in public engagement. She explains that creating real change—especially in today’s climate of precarity—demands personal courage and a willingness to step into the public sphere. Together with the host from the True Representation Movement (TRM), they explore how most working-class Americans, though deeply affected by policy, are often unable to take such risks due to economic and psychological constraints. They discuss how direct democracy, grounded in the lived experience and practical wisdom (phronesis) of ordinary people, can harness collective decision-making more effectively than elite-led structures. Silvestri argues that genuine social change requires not just energy or moral conviction, but also structural understanding and strategic action—a blend of community, education, and political engagement. The conversation touches on issues like precarity, structural injustice, the false promises of elite expertise, and the importance of building bottom-up, justice-oriented civic movements that empower people to act within their means and conditions.
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Season 2, Episode 8: Ndindi Kitonga - On Democratic Schools
In this powerful, wide-ranging conversation, Dr. Ndindi Kitonga critiques the commodification of education and describes her school, Angels Workshop School, as a working-class, community-rooted democratic alternative that fosters critical consciousness, empathy, and civic courage. She contrasts her approach with elitist models like Elon Musk’s Ad Astra, which, despite good intentions, devolved into exclusionary and performative education. Dr. Kitonga underscores the importance of real-world engagement—like public transit use, protest participation, and discussing taboo topics like Palestine—to nurture students who are not only informed but also morally grounded. She advocates for scaling out through networks of small, autonomous schools rather than scaling up into centralized institutions, emphasizing humility, lived practice, and trust in the collective intelligence of everyday people.
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Season 2, Episode 7: Ndindi Kitonga - On Democratic Schools
In this episode of the Tiara Podcast, Dr. Ndindi Kitonga discusses the founding and mission of Angels Workshop School, a micro democratic school in Los Angeles that empowers youth to participate fully in shaping their learning environment and engaging with society. Rooted in humanistic and critical pedagogy, the school replaces top-down authority with shared decision-making, collective problem-solving, and curriculum shaped by both student interest and social relevance. Dr. Kitonga critiques traditional and even "progressive" schools for offering only surface-level autonomy, and emphasizes that true democratic learning must cultivate not only freedom but responsibility, self-assessment, and political consciousness. The school operates on a pay-what-you-can model, supports marginalized students (including neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ youth), and actively involves students in real-world issues such as homelessness and Palestine. Alumni stay connected, often becoming teachers or activists, reflecting the school's success in fostering lifelong civic engagement.
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Season 2, Episode 6: Scott Henning - On Sortition
In this conversation, the speakers explore how citizens' assemblies—randomly selected groups of everyday people who deliberate on key policy issues—can be protected from manipulation by powerful interests as they grow in prominence. Brett Hennig of the Sortition Foundation explains safeguards like open-source lottery algorithms, citizen-chosen experts, and OECD-backed standards that ensure transparency and legitimacy. They discuss the risk of co-optation by groups like the NRA, emphasizing the need for clear principles to distinguish genuine assemblies from manipulated ones. The conversation then shifts to strategy: why Hennig's team targets the UK House of Lords for reform, and how movements like Belgium's Agora Party already field candidates who commit to vote based on assembly outcomes. The host outlines a vision for electing independent representatives in the U.S.—rooted in democratic tech tools and public disillusionment with both parties—and Hennig agrees that lasting reform will require mass social movements and local experiments to scale up. The conversation closes with reflections on democratic cooperatives as a more sustainable alternative to corporate oligarchy.
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Season 2, Episode 5: Scott Henning - On Sortition
In this conversation, Brett Hennig, co-founder of the Sortition Foundation, discusses the growing global movement to replace elections with democratic lotteries—sortition—to select citizens for political decision-making. He explains how sortition-based citizens’ assemblies, grounded in informed deliberation and representative diversity, can bypass the corrupting influence of money, lobbying, and partisanship inherent in electoral systems. Drawing examples from Ireland, Belgium, and elsewhere, he illustrates how these assemblies have already advised on complex issues like assisted dying and climate policy. While most are currently advisory, his organization campaigns to institutionalize these bodies—such as replacing the UK’s House of Lords with a House of Citizens—to give them real power. He emphasizes the assemblies’ legitimacy not just in producing sound decisions, but also in visibly representing the public’s will, making it harder for elected officials to ignore or override them.
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Season 2, Episode 4: Joe Oddo - TRM Strategy and Tactics
In this follow-up conversation, the TRM team deepens its strategic planning, focusing on how to harness rising public frustration with political dysfunction to drive engagement and build momentum. They explore the potential of running candidates not to win outright but to raise awareness, gain media attention, and lay the groundwork for future influence. The discussion emphasizes the emotional resonance of disillusionment with the political establishment—especially among working-class voters—as a fertile space for TRM's citizen-led, ideology-free governance model. They consider drawing inspiration from ancient Athenian democracy by limiting voting groups to 500 working-class citizens and explore implementing randomized selection and annual rotation. The conversation also touches on historical context, referencing Mike Gravel’s direct democracy initiatives, and critiques both major U.S. parties for perpetuating oligarchic control. The overarching goal remains: create a transparent, scalable system that empowers ordinary citizens and disrupts elite-driven politics, starting with grassroots efforts in Virginia’s 2025 elections.
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Season 2, Episode 3: Joe Oddo - TRM Strategy and Tactics
This episode captures a pivotal moment in the evolution of the True Representation Movement (TRM) as the team shifts from discussion to execution. The focus is on refining outreach strategies—developing concise, compelling pitches that can grab attention in six seconds or less, building infrastructure like signup cards and token-based anonymous vote tracking, and targeting key swing districts in Virginia's upcoming 2025 state elections. They emphasize learning by doing, sharing best practices across the team, and prioritizing visibility and media engagement over immediate electoral wins. The core principle is maintaining ideological neutrality—candidates must act solely as avatars for constituents, not as representatives of personal beliefs. This commitment to non-partisanship and transparency, inspired by blockchain-like verification methods, sets TRM apart as they explore partnerships, candidate recruitment, and smart district targeting, aiming to influence tight races while testing and expanding their novel democratic model.
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Season 2, Episode 2: Roslyn Fuller - TRM vs. Citizen Assemblies
This wide-ranging and deeply reflective conversation revolves around shaping the eligibility criteria for TRM’s (True Representation Movement) citizen voting groups—specifically the controversial idea of restricting participation to working-class individuals. One side defends the restriction as necessary to prevent elite capture and ensure authentic representation of everyday struggles; the other warns it may alienate potential allies and replicate the exclusionary practices TRM seeks to replace.The dialogue branches into deeper themes: how generational wealth—more than income—shapes access and influence, why asset ownership trumps salary in determining life chances, and how disillusionment across class lines could be harnessed rather than deepened. The two also critique bloated NGO ecosystems and technocratic media bubbles, explore participatory budgeting models from Brazil and Ireland, and unpack the hidden power structures in "inclusive" democracies.Importantly, the conversation lands on two strategic points: (1) TRM should avoid institutional bloat by rejecting salaried structures in favor of volunteer-driven, skill-based collaboration, and (2) to maintain moral and operational integrity, TRM must grow organically and equitably, never losing sight of the voices it was built to empower.In short: The mission isn’t about perfection—it’s about better. And better means building power from below, resisting co-optation, and delivering real wins that prove ordinary people can govern themselves.
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Season 2, Episode 1: Roslyn Fuller - TRM vs. Citizen Assemblies
In this wide-ranging conversation, Professor Roslyn Fuller and the host critically examine the growing trend of citizens' assemblies, arguing that while marketed as democratic innovations, many such efforts are heavily funded by elite organizations like the Open Society Foundations and serve more as vehicles for controlled policymaking than genuine democratic engagement. Fuller shares her direct experience with such assemblies and highlights their structural flaws, including biased information flows, lack of accountability, and disconnect from actual voter sentiment. The host then outlines the mission of the True Representation Movement (TRM), which seeks to sidestep these pitfalls by empowering a diverse group of 500 working-class citizens to vote directly on legislation without influence from experts, debates, or intermediaries—arguing that real democracy must reflect the unfiltered will of the majority.
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Season 1, Episode 12: Joe Oddo - TRM Strategy - Overview
Watch & Listen to Ahmed Bouzid’s conversation with Joe Oddo, Head of Strategy at The True Representation Movement and former candidate (Independent) for South Carolina's 6th District US Congressional seat for the 2024 elections.Key Terms: Democracy, Elections, Strategy, Incumbency, , Technology and DemocracyKey links:Joe Oddo's campaign site: https://bettercandidates.org/Joe Oddo's podcast: https://gcdnetwork.com/citizens-alliance-for-better-candidatesJoe Oddo's Ballotpedia page: https://ballotpedia.org/Joseph_Oddo
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Season 1, Episode 11: Joe Oddo - TRM Strategy - Overview
Watch & Listen to Ahmed Bouzid’s conversation with Joe Oddo, Head of Strategy at The True Representation Movement and former candidate (Independent) for South Carolina's 6th District US Congressional seat for the 2024 elections.Key Terms: Democracy, Elections, Strategy, Incumbency, , Technology and DemocracyKey links:Joe Oddo's campaign site: https://bettercandidates.org/Joe Oddo's podcast: https://gcdnetwork.com/citizens-alliance-for-better-candidatesJoe Oddo's Ballotpedia page: https://ballotpedia.org/Joseph_Oddo
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Season 1, Episode 10: Mark Fisher - On Greek Democracy
Watch & Listen to Ahmed Bouzid’s conversation with Prof. Mark Fisher, Assistant Professor of Government at Georgetown University, who specializes in the history of democratic thought, particularly ancient Greek political philosophy.Key Terms: Greek Democracy, Demos, Pericles, Thucydides, Socrates, Stasis, TRMKey links:- Website: https://gufaculty360.georgetown.edu/s/contact/00336000019qtaZAAQ/mark-fisher- Publications: https://georgetown.academia.edu/MarkFisher- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-fisher-1749a870
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Season 1, Episode 9: Mark Fisher - On Greek Democracy
Watch & Listen to Ahmed Bouzid’s conversation with Prof. Mark Fisher, Assistant Professor of Government at Georgetown University, who specializes in the history of democratic thought, particularly ancient Greek political philosophy.Key Terms: Greek Democracy, Demos, Pericles, Thucydides, Socrates, Stasis, TRMKey links:- Website: https://gufaculty360.georgetown.edu/s/contact/00336000019qtaZAAQ/mark-fisher- Publications: https://georgetown.academia.edu/MarkFisher- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-fisher-1749a870
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Season 1, Episode 8: Jeff Schapiro - On The Free Press
Watch & Listen to Ahmed Bouzid’s conversation with Jeff Schapiro, a veteran political reporter and columnist based in Virginia, known for his extensive coverage of Virginia politics. He has been with the Richmond Times-Dispatch for several decades, making him one of the most respected voices on the political landscape of the state. His reporting and columns provide deep insights into the workings of Virginia’s political system, elections, and public policy, often with sharp commentary and historical context.Key Terms: The Free Press, Freedom of Speech, Local vs National Politics, Democracy, Representative Democracy, Deliberation, TRMKey links:- Website: https://www.francescoveri.com/- Publications: https://www.francescoveri.com/publications
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Season 1, Episode 7: Jeff Schapiro - On The Free Press
Watch & Listen to Ahmed Bouzid’s conversation with Jeff Schapiro, a veteran political reporter and columnist based in Virginia, known for his extensive coverage of Virginia politics. He has been with the Richmond Times-Dispatch for several decades, making him one of the most respected voices on the political landscape of the state. His reporting and columns provide deep insights into the workings of Virginia’s political system, elections, and public policy, often with sharp commentary and historical context.Key Terms: The Free Press, Freedom of Speech, Local vs National Politics, Democracy, Representative Democracy, Deliberation, TRMKey links:- Website: https://www.francescoveri.com/- Publications: https://www.francescoveri.com/publications
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This is the official Podcast of The True Representation Movement. The True Representation Movement is an initiative designed to elect representatives to the U.S. House of Representatives who commit to voting on all bills strictly according to the will of the people. For more, please go to: https://jointrm.com/The TRM Podcast is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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