Season 4: Episode 8: Beyond Hearts and Minds: On Advocating for Palestine - Josh Ruebner (Part 2 of 2)

In this episode, we are joined by Josh Ruebner — Policy Director at the Institute for Middle East Understanding, author, and scholar of U.S.–Palestine relations — for a deep dive conversation about genocide, accountability, and the state of U.S. politics. We reflect on how conditions for Palestinians have worsened over the past two decades, the role of social media in exposing atrocities in real time, and the dramatic shift in American public opinion toward ending military support for Israel. Yet, despite this overwhelming public sentiment, Congress continues to greenlight weapons and aid—laying bare the disconnect between the will of the people and the actions of their representatives. For TRM, this crisis is more than a foreign policy issue; it is a stark example of why our democracy must be restructured to reflect the collective wisdom and values of ordinary people. The conversation highlights both the urgency of addressing U.S. complicity in human rights abuses and the broader need for a political system that is truly representative.