The Whole Therapist

Abby and Kellee spend time exploring inner stories they might hold around clients not wanting to see another therapist or explicitly saying they “need you.” They move into describing the somatic feelings and wonder out loud how listeners navigate these dynamics internally or externally.  Topics Touched on:Holding the Split: Attachment, Divorce, and Self of the Therapist: www.abbyesquivel.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comOak Tree excerpt: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-lost-spells_jackie-morris_robert-macfarlane/25347706/item/88496965/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pmax_high_vol_scarce_%2410_%2450_17400876848&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17400878123&gbraid=0AAAAADwY45hgnbhFEljQq9r4Cn6-CTDGU&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlqTRBhCBARIsANrkrxjhaqXJZD4XPwnJu_-Whm5vZZpRHFSfIfW66MUIq86lzmyJsLRNwZ4aAoA8EALw_wcB#idiq=88496965&edition=27078928Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee kick off a new season of The Whole Therapist. Both are returning from maternity leave and are making shifts in their practice. They use this episode to encourage listeners to think through when and how they decide to make shifts in their own practice. Honoring the need for a shift is highlighted.  Topics Touched on:Holding the Split: Attachment, Divorce, and Self of the Therapist: www.abbyesquivel.comRebodying the Self of the Healer: https://www.marshalllyles.com/event-details/rebodying-the-self-of-the-healer-9-month-program  Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Honoring Your Own Inner Celebrity In this episode Kellee and Abby explore “celebrity therapists.” They talk through how the field looks to these therapists, but in doing this may miss other gifted healers who don’t have the same status. They draw parallels between the cultural of our field and religion and get curious about the messages of “good therapist,” and “bad therapist.” Abby and Kellee encourage listeners to embrace their own unique healing abilities.  Topics Touched on:Predatory Education: https://sarahpeyton.comEternal Song Documentary: https://theeternalsong.orgFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Kellee and Abby dive into the problems with CEU’s across the field as a whole in this episode, but move specifically to discuss the Association of Play Therapy’s (APT) 12-hour in-person CEU requirement. Abby and Kellee express their opinion around the incongruence of APT’s DEI statement and their in-person CEU requirement. They go on further to explore the field’s origins of white supremacy, ableism, and problematic Western measures of learning, and the need for more expansive ways to deepen our work as therapists. They emphasize the need for consultation and mentoring above webinars. Kellee and Abby hold many privileges, some of which include being two abled bodied pregnant women with the financial means to travel for CEU’s. Topics Touched on:EMDRIA- https://www.emdria.org/APT- https://www.a4pt.org/default.aspx Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee talk through basics of looking for, applying for, and interviewing for your internship placement. They discuss the use of AI, and ways to use it appropriately in this process. Topics Touched on:Rupi Kaur  Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee explore how grief often accompanies goodbyes, and that goodbyes can also hold happiness and hope. They notice how endings and goodbyes can feel different for each therapist and each therapist/client dyad. They reflect on their own relationship with goodbyes in an out of the therapy space.  Topics Touched on:Circle of Security- https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comPadraig O TuamaMaya WardFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee recorded on 1/31/25 and began exploring how to hold space for marginalized clients who are impacted by executive orders and fear of or actual detainments of themselves and loved ones.  Topics Touched on:Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition: https://coloradoimmigrant.org/Decolonizing Therapy (Jaiya john): https://www.decolonizingtherapy.comIain McGilchrist: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300245929/the-master-and-his-emissary/Enough About You- Titus Kaphar: https://www.kapharstudio.comMasharll Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com/ Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee jump into a new season with the new year. They explore the ebbs and flows of their rhythms over the last 5 years of recordings, and how they have shifted as healers. Abby and Kellee highlight the importance of slowing down, community, intentionality, and how “being with” is truly enough for our clients healing. Topics Touched on:Rebodying the Self of the Healer - REGISTER NOW: https://www.marshalllyles.comMaggie Smith’s poem- How Dark the Beginning: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/152103/how-dark-the-beginningFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee explore superiority, humility, arrogance, and how they show up for therapists. They give examples of how they have and do fall down this slippery slope (even while they record this episode) Abby and Kellee discuss the therapists’ parts of self that can show up in sessions where we may believe we are better and/or able to influence the outcomes for clients resulting in lack of true presence. How do we set this part aside to be fully curious?  Topics Touched on:Adrienne Maree Brown: https://adriennemareebrown.net/blog/On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/Dr. Meldoy Brown: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/melody-m-brown-denver-co/774548 Bittersweet by Susan Cain:https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/bittersweet_susan-cain/29217911/item/53180813/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=high_vol_frontlist_standard_shopping_customer_acquisition&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=689361939032&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADwY45goxXpmMinAST89X0a2cqzqd&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8uqo---KigMVnEH_AR3riAElEAQYAiABEgL49fD_BwE#idiq=53180813&edition=60291104 The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino:https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954     Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee start to explore the word accountability and sift through their intention for the episode. They come to name self-reflection and community. Abby and Kellee talk authenticity and explore internalizing nurture from those in their community; which supports them in bringing this into the therapy space. They ask listeners to identify who they can be their truest self with; to practice authenticity and gain internalized nurturing that allows them to show up congruently with clients.  Topics Touched on: The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolinohttps://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954Daria - Accountability Mapping - https://accountabilitymapping.com/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Kellee and Abby revisit the concept of 'process over content' in therapy, and explore what is bringing them Joy over the last few years since beginning the podcast. They dive into what may be leading therapists into content therapy versus process therapy, and encourage therapists to lean into what makes them feel alive and joyful. Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee are back after some big technological struggles. They welcome the community back in and explore the theme of, withholding. They explore withholding EMDR from clients and withholding the truth from clients. Are therapists withholding for a true clinical reason or out of fear? Abby and Kellee ask therapists to ask themselves, “Why might I not be leaning into something that is right here in the room where someone’s nervous system might really benefit from me leaning in?” Topics Touched on: Annie Monaco- https://www.anniemonaco.comEMDR- https://www.emdria.org/Cole Arthur Riley: https://colearthurriley.com/writing/project-one-64g3t Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee get brave and venture into a topic that doesn’t seem openly talked about, feeling attraction to our clients. They share their own experience of this happening, normalize this experience, and explore the neuroscience that is happening when attraction happens. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch:  https://www.nurturingtheheart.comThe Whole Therapist Consultation Group: $50 per group. Capped at 8 participants each month.   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee use this episode to talk through some recent experiences that required Bravery in their own lives and how we relate to Risk both personally and professionally. They explore noticing how 'being brave' and 'taking risks'  show up in relationship in the therapy setting, and share some poetry with listeners.They ask listeners to get curious about their own relationship to Risk and how this influences their ways of being as a therapist and a human.  Topics Touched on:Marshall Lyles: www.marshalllyles.comLouise Erdrich: Advice to Myself The Whole Therapist Consultation Group: Our second open monthly IPNB-inspired group starts 4/25 from 8am-10am MST at $50 per group. Capped at 8 participants each month. Follow us:https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comEmail us:[email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Kellee and Abby are back from their holiday break! Join them for the Season 5 in another conversation, all about looooooove 💗. Their exploration is prompted by the question, “do we love our clients?” and, "must we?" Kellee and Abby muse about what it means to love, draw from some of Dr. Allan Schore's research, name the importance of therapist's doing their own parts work, and end with questions for listeners as they continue to do their own wondering. Topics Touched on:Dr. Allan Schore: https://www.allanschore.com/books/right-brain-psychotherapy/  Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com/  Bonnie Badenoch:  https://www.nurturingtheheart.comWonder With Monthly Consultation Group: email us at [email protected] to be added to our waitlist! Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Kellee is going on maternity leave! This episode explores the ways in which therapists who experience pregnancy can be impacted and transformed as practitioners and humans. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal experience with pregnancy in the field, how they navigate boundaries, and conversations around client care as it relates to self-disclosure in this tender time period. They normalize how nuanced this topic and experience can be and emphasize how necessary it is to 'be so human' with our clients.  Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

This episode explores all the ways in which we therapists don’t take the time off we need while encouraging our clients to take time off for self-care. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal struggles with taking time off, including the messages and narratives they tell themselves about when and how much time off they should take. They normalize how guilt can show up around this subject and emphasize how necessary and worthy we are of taking time for ourselves.   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee use this episode to share some announcements and talk through some recent stories in their own lives that have contributed to deep feelings showing up personally and professionally. They explore noticing deep feelings that show up in relationship in the professional setting, and what pausing and reflecting can do to create regulation around such deep feelings. They ask listeners to get curious about their own deep feelings that show up with clients in sessions.  Topics Touched on:Deb Dana: https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/about Letters to a Young Poet: https://bookshop.org/p/books/letters-to-a-young-poet-a-new-translation-and-commentary-rainer-maria-rilke/228901?ean=9781611806861&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9fqnBhDSARIsAHlcQYSZEU7OtWLE73L7MS4pAmIQ0Yi2W9J3uiowmnfALOrtG9vd8IMqyEEaAhmxEALw_wcB Bonnie Badenoch:  https://www.nurturingtheheart.comThe Whole Therapist Consultation Group: Open monthly IPNB-inspired group begins 10/19/2023 from 8am-10am MST $50 per group. Capped at 8 participants each month. Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee touch on how important non-verbal communication is to the healing process for our clients in the therapy space. They share how words are the least important part of the healing process, and ways that non-verbal communication is so vital to attachment trauma work. The acknowledge this topic being hard to explore while using a podcast that involves all talking, and leave listeners with a practice they can do with nature, a pet, or a listening partner.  Topics Touched on:Somatic Empathy - https://www.somatictransformation.com/Being a Brain-Wise Therapist Workbook - https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31474252947&ref_=ps_ggl_17721428148&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_20to50-_-product_id=COM9780393706390USED-_-keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw_aemBhBLEiwAT98FMixN99tX7PffYdCCpIgNyqcPMMVLeS5fNzsS_s58hydLkN1qjEjJoBoCrs8QAvD_BwE Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Paris Goodyear-Brown: https://www.parisgoodyearbrown.com Marschak Interaction Method (MIM) https://theraplay.org/what-is-theraplay/  Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee lean into discussing recent feedback they got on this podcast, and the parallel process that occurs in the therapy space. They explore work from Dan Siegel around “linkage and differentiation.” The two also discuss attachment strategies we all can fall into based on our own attachment histories with giving and receiving feedback.  Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comFlora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-selfDan Siegel: https://www.drdansiegel.comMarshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee spend time wandering through this episode exploring patience with parts of self for our clients, and for ourselves. They untangle the definition of patience, and what this really means in our work with clients. The two name the wandering that happens in this episode and explore what it feels like to be at the edge of their own work to help listeners begin to recognize when they too are at the edge of their work.  Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comRobyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comCircle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how important the context of our client’s lives are. They discuss being attuned with that context versus pushing feelings away, offering coping skills and offering quick fixes. Being with is identified as the most important thing therapists can do first. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comRobyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comCircle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comMarshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comDr. Iain McGilchrist: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/IntraConnecte: https://drdansiegel.com/book/intraconnected-mwe-me-we-as-the-integration-of-self-identity-and-belonging/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee welcome listeners into community. They explore looking for a therapeutic home for therapists and clients alike. Abby and Kellee discuss balancing many therapeutic homes, finding “your people,” and journeying with them. They share the vulnerability that is present in seeking out community. Topics Touched on:Bonnie: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comLisa Dion: https://synergeticplaytherapy.comOn Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/ada-limon-to-be-made-whole/Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comFire of Love Documentary Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee welcome listeners to season 4. The two share what they have been up to and begin to explore how therapists are in the presence of awe almost every day according to what Dacher Keltner defines as awe. Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comThe Heart of Winter: https://sannawani.com/2022/02/01/booklight-04/The Last of Us: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee bid listeners farewell as they end season 3. They reflect on the year, talking about love and loss for clients, supervisees, consultees, friends, family, and themselves. They of course weave in IPNB and even some EMDR around theirs and others experiences this season, and this year, touching on integration and meaning making. Topics Touched on:Ways of Being by James Bridle: https://jamesbridle.com/books/ways-of-beingWintering by Katherine May: https://katherine-may.co.uk/wintering Adrift by Mark Nep0: https://grateful.org/resource/adrift/The Keep Going Song by The Bengsons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQUpcoming Offerings:Upcoming Coffee and Chat (1.9.23 6:30pmMST) Setting Your Intension for Your Practice: Link to purchase ($11) on the website, or email Abby and Kellee to purchase.   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee broach the topic of using touch in the therapy space with both adult and child clients. They discuss the healing benefits of touch from various therapeutic modalities. Abby and Kellee talk through the sacredness of wordless healing. They explore their relationship with touch personally and within the field and how it’s evolved. Topics Touched on:Theraplay: https://theraplay.orgNatalia Rachel: IG- natalia_rachel_changeThe Gift: Poems by HafizFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how we know when we as therapists are taking clients' progress, lack of progress, emotions, behaviors, etc. personally. They share their own stories of taking it personal, and strategies that can support the therapist to move out of this space and back into attunement with the client. Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.comRobyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee continue to wonder and wander their way through the multi-seasonal book series. Come laugh together under full moon energy in Chapter 5 of   “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They model humility, uncertainty, and the importance of humor as we engage this emergent field. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\  Upcoming Offerings:Seasonal Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and  offer continued discussion of Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives, Part Two!  in  “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use a powerful question offered by Cozolino to guide their conversation, and share personal narratives parts of them hold, in addition to practical applications when working with clients. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\  Upcoming Offerings:Seasonal Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and  explore Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives  in  “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter four to explore the beauty in sitting with deeper client narratives and the need for family of origin work.Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comPlayful Listening Article:https://emergencemagazine.org/practice/playful-listening/  Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Come join us as we take a pause on our book series and explore the concept of Structure in the therapy space! Abby and Kellee use their own personal and professional experiences as they reflect on how Structure relates to Boundaries.  They discuss the value to clients and clinicians in holding Structure, and leave some questions for listeners to reflect on in their own lives and practices.Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comThe Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-selfUpcoming Offerings:Training in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Get ready to smile the whole way through! Abby and Kellee use humor and self-reflection as they explore concepts in chapter three like: self-awareness in the therapy space, process over content, tracking themes, and “listening with the third ear.” They discuss imposter syndrome coming up for them as they re-read the book with this community, and of course throw in a great garden analogy.Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.comRobyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comThe Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-selfUpcoming Offerings:Training in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee continue the summer book series and  explore Chapter Two: Therapist Imagination  in  “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter two to explore "shuttling," the need for ongoing consultation, and laughter around engrained assumptions like wearing headphones to record.  Kellee and Abby share the felt sense behind 'trusting the process.' Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com  Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee begin to explore chapter one of their summer book series using, “The Development of a Therapist.” They use chapter one to explore how therapists’ and clients’ left and right brain show up in the therapy space. Kellee and Abby share what it means and feels like to use and blend poetry and science for healing purposes. Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/series/podcast/The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comDavid Whyte: https://davidwhyte.com  Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Share the love! Abby and Kellee explore the benefits for both therapists and clients sharing and receiving resources with each other. They talk through ways to share books with clients and highlight the need to walk alongside clients while they read a book the therapist has recommended. Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of pairing right brain processing when recommending a book to a client.  Topics Touched on:Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory: https://www.amazon.com/Anchored-Befriend-Nervous-System-Polyvagal/dp/1683647068It Didn’t Start with You: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=it+didn%27t+start+with+you&i=stripbooks&sprefix=this+didn%27t+%2Cstripbooks%2C149&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_12Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comDr Dan Seigel: https://drdansiegel.comHafez: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/hafez Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book (follow along on social media to see how you can get a free copy). Send your thoughts to include in future episodes around this book- The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5Training in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee explore making mistakes in the therapy room, and the shame that becomes very alive and present for therapists. They share their own stories of mistakes with clients, the shame they felt, and ways they have learned to regulated through these moments. They also include an audio clip from a professor at a local university who shares his own mistake as an intern therapist and the shame that followed. Abby and Kellee use an IPNB lens to offer compassion to themselves and all therapists regarding the responses to clients that turn into mistakes. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comTimothy Wienecke: https://empoweredchangece.com/contact-me/The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows: https://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Obscure-Sorrows-John-Koenig/dp/1501153641Practicing Mindfulness: https://www.amazon.com/Practicing-Mindfulness-Essential-Meditations-Everyday/dp/1641521716Richard Powers: http://www.richardpowers.net Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Topics Touched on:Abby and Kellee explore healing others and having to hold boundaries with our own families and friends. They express the grief that can be present when healers see their own family or friends suffering but needing to maintain the boundary of not becoming their healer. They also hold the relief that may come for some knowing they cannot be the healer for their friends our family. Abby and Kellee share the difficulty of separating our therapist part from our friend and/or family member part.  Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Self-disclosure. What is it? When do we use it? When is it helpful? When can it be harmful? Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of awareness around the intention of the therapist’s disclosure. They ask when does self-disclosure create expansion and joining for the therapist and client? Kellee and Abby give examples of when disclosure has been helpful or not helpful for them as clients, and their own clients. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino- https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954A Handful of Quiet: Happiness in Four Pebbles: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/a-handful-of-quiet-happiness-in-four-pebbles_thch-nht-hnh/877515/item/10429135/?gclid=CjwKCAjwo8-SBhAlEiwAopc9W705o0X71FlTBvaTkQJSrS-Iwo6_kkvnqCvL_6j-wuBATDHNGNkvExoCeeoQAvD_BwE#idiq=10429135&edition=7306409 Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Have you ever had that client that “talks at you,” or noticed you yourself “talking at the client?” Do you ever wonder if words in the therapy room may not be the most optimal for healing? Abby and Kellee spend this episode exploring how “talking”, a left brain skill, must be used intentionally to heal our clients. Topics Touched on:World Association of Sandtray Therapy Professionals (WASP): https://worldsandtherapy.comLorraine Freedle: http://lorrainefreedle.com/sandplay-therapy/Dan Siegel: https://drdansiegel.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comThe Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino-https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comParis Goodyear-Brown: https://www.parisgoodyearbrown.comIain McGilchrist: https://www.amazon.com/Matter-Things-Brains-Delusions-Unmaking-ebook/dp/B09KY5B3QL Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected] us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Get ready to talk about money! How do we decide our rates? Abby and Kellee explore their personal relationship with money, and how this impacts their relationship with money as private practice owners. While Kellee and Abby focus this episode on those who have private practices the episode encourages all therapists to become aware of their own relationship with money, and how this lives inside their bodies, their epigenetic story. Topics Touched on:Robyn Mourning: https://www.ominiralabs.comDr. Bukky: https://myrelationshiphq.comTalking about Race with Dr. Bukky Kolawole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc8b0I36WeQ&t=2003sAbby’s contact for EMDR consultation:[email protected]’s contact for EMDR consultation: https://anchorcounselingco.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

What’s a therapist to do when they feel uninspired? Abby and Kellee use the parallel process of the podcast and being a therapist as they explore the experience of being uninspired. How do we show up for clients when we feel uninspired? Can we trust in our clients’ own process that they will come to therapy inspired and our role is to simply follow them, be with them? Topics Touched on:Jaak Panksepp: https://www.asdn.org/wp-content/uploads/1-Motivated-Brain-Excerpt-pgs.pdfJohn O'Donohue: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/39025796-walking-in-wonderMarshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comRobyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee touch on grief, and the ways it shows up for therapists in the field. They share the need to welcome grief again and again; it cannot be box that is just “checked off.” Abby and Kellee explore ways to set boundaries as therapists navigate the hard work they do in this field. Topics Touched on:Michael Pollan- https://michaelpollan.comKate Bowler- https://katebowler.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee welcome veteran and new listeners to season 3! They share hopes for season 3, and then move into using the parallel process of welcoming clients into our space for the first time, third time, or 100th time. They challenge listeners to be reflective on how listeners show up for their clients when welcoming them for an intake, after a brief pause, after a rupture, after a planned break, and many more examplesTopics Touched on:Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comUpcoming Coffee and Chat (2.10.22 6pmMST) Pandemic Parenting: The Alliteration We Didn’t Ask ForLink to purchase ($11) on the website Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee say goodbye to season two this episode. As they reflect on their own process, they move into exploring process over content within the therapy space. Why would we want to focus more on process over content? What cues let you know you or the client are avoiding processing? How do we move clients into processing when they are heavily guarded? Topics Touched on:The Keep Going Song- The Bengons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQEpigenetics: Hope and Attachment: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comIG: Teletherapist.network: https://teletherapistnetwork.comRainer Maria Rilke's Letters to a Young Poet: https://www.amazon.com/Letters-Young-Rainer-Maria-Rilke/dp/0393310396 Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee are beginning to wrap up season two and find themselves recording in a rather silly mood. If you are looking for lightness, laughter, and vulnerability join Abby and Kellee as they explore what their careers would be if they weren’t therapists. Of course, they tie in how this relates to our own security and connectedness to our therapist identity. Topics Touched on:Rick Hanson- Buddha's Brain: The Practical Neuroscience of Happiness, Love, and Wisdom: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/buddhas-brain-the-practical-neuroscience-of-happiness-love-and-wisdom_daniel-j-siegel_rick-hanson/Frank Wilczek: https://physics.mit.edu/faculty/frank-wilczek/Dr. Dan Siegel- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-toleranceCoffee and Chat: Friend or Foe? Exploring Our Own Attachment Sh*t In The Therapy room:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Get ready to ground into this episode as Kellee and Abby explore dissociation. They talk about dissociations being on a continuum, a natural, and normal part of all our lives. They also discuss the brilliance in the body dissociating after trauma and encourage therapist to lean it not run away. Abby and Kellee end the episode offering basic strategies therapists can use to support clients with dissociation in and outside of session. Topics Touched on:Janina Fisher: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/healing-the-fragmented-selves-of-trauma-survivors-overcoming-internal-self-alienation_janina-fisher/13534321/?resultid=a934f9b1-41d6-4aab-9c3d-a871b62be645#edition=13201579&idiq=26946741Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comDr. Dan Siegel- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-toleranceEMDR Tool Box: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/emdr-toolbox-theory-and-treatment-of-complex-ptsd-and-dissociation_james-knipe/13872979/?resultid=6c3a512d-cefe-4b6d-ae7c-b76da9005609#edition=20900482&idiq=29968511Coffee and Chat: Friend or Foe? Exploring Our Own Attachment Sh*t In The Therapy room:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/ Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee talk about curiosity in the therapy room from an IPNB perspective. They explore how compassionate and respectful curiosity looks and feels different in the therapy space versus curiosity where we have an agenda; a path we are wanting to follow. Abby and Kellee go on to discuss how we must know we don’t know something to truly be curious with our clients in the therapy space. Topics Touched on:Yalom: https://www.yalom.comHold Me Tight: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2153780.Hold_Me_TightCircle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comDr. Dan Siegle- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-toleranceCoffee and Chat: Friend or Foe? Exploring Our Own Attachment Sh*t In The Therapy room:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/ Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com  Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Have you ever found yourself in a season reaching too far, too fast, too soon regarding a clinical skill or training? Have you worked in a setting where there wasn’t space for a learning curve, or tolerable doses of new clinical skills?  Using a plant analogy Abby and Kellee explore the impact of reaching too far, too fast, too soon with trainings, with clients, and with superviseesTopics Touched on:Coffee and Chat: Friend or Foe? Exploring Our Own Attachment Sh*t In The Therapy room:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Abby and Kellee explore differentiation. How do we begin to enter our client’s pain without making it our own? They spend time talking about how growth happens at the edge (the space between). They share times they have made a client’s pain their own and discuss strategies to maintain differentiation. Topics Touched on:If Women Rose Rooted- Sharon Blackie: https://www.amazon.com/If-Women-Rose-Rooted-Celtic-ebook/dp/B01AKBFTMWCircle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comCole Arthur Riley: https://www.instagram.com/blackliturgies/?hl=enBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comDr. Dan Siegle- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-toleranceElephant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWhyGI7q8Xk Coffee and Chat: Friend or Foe? Exploring Our Own Attachment Sh*t In The Therapy room: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]

Have you found yourself feeling rejected by a client, or attempting to rattle off multiple solutions for them? Abby and Kellee explore how clients who cannot accept care and trust in the therapy space may be showing you a wise part of themselves, a younger part that developed block trust out of childhood maltreatment. They discuss what this can look like with adults and child clients, what it might feel like for the therapist, and how easily the therapist can recreate attachment ruptures from early on by falling into blocked care. Topics Touched on:The Neurobiology of Attachment-Focused Therapy- Jonathan Baylin and Daniel A. Hughes: https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393711042 Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy: https://ddpnetwork.org/about-ddp/dyadic-developmental-psychotherapy/Louis Cozolino: https://mindgains.org/resources/advisory-board/louis-cozolino-ph-d/Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT): https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapy-types/dialectical-behavior-therapyDr. Dan Siegle- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance Coffee and Chat: Friend or Foe? Exploring Our Own Attachment Sh*t In The Therapy room: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/ Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: [email protected]