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The Wrong Cat Died
by Broadway Podcast Network
Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.Part of the Broadway Podcast Network.
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Ep268 - Linedy Genao, Host of Entre Acts
“That organ sound was iconic. I felt like I was transported to a certain time in history.” This episode features Linedy Genao who is currently playing on Broadway as Myrtle Wilson in The Great Gatsby and hosting her new podcast Entre Acts, which is part of the Broadway Podcast Network. Linedy recalls seeing the 2016 revival of CATS while performing in On Your Feet, loving the dancing and music but leaving confused, then later seeing the downtown Jellicle Ball and finally understanding the show. She shares what it was like leading Bad Cinderella, collaborating with Andrew Lloyd Webber, and everything involved with that show including the viral spray-paint moment. Now playing Myrtle Wilson in The Great Gatsby, she explains her approach to making Myrtle sympathetic and critiques the double standard in how characters are judged. Linedy also discusses her Broadway Podcast Network show Entre Acts, focusing on the “in-between” periods for artists. 00:59 First Time Seeing CATS 03:11 CATS Revival Vibes 04:06 Broadway Origins Stories 07:46 Working With Andrew Lloyd Webber 09:58 Bad Cinderella 21:53 Playing Myrtle In Gatsby 25:10 Entre Acts Podcast 28:34 Rapid Fire Check out Linedy on Social Media: @linedygenao Check out Entre Acts on Social Media: @entreacts Check out The Great Gatsby on Social Media: @bwaygatsby Check out The Great Gatsby's website: broadwaygatsby.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied *Episode powered by WelcomeToTimesSquare.com, the billboard where you can be the star for the day Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep267 - Denise Jastraunig, Swing in German Tent Tour
“If you show it in your face, people don’t look at your feet.” This episode features Denise Jastraunig who was a swing in CATS on the German Tent Tour and then in the Vienna revival. Denise shares her CATS journey, from first seeing the DVD in school while training as a competitive tennis player to pivoting into musical theater at the age of 16. Denise recounts being unexpectedly invited to audition for the German Tent Tour, moving from a dancer call to the “movers call,” landing her first major job as a swing, and learning tracks with a detailed swing bible. She compares the tent tour’s deeper character workshops with a more time-pressed 2019 Vienna revival, notes production differences like an expanded tap number, and describes going on as Grizabella. She shares onstage mishaps, makeup challenges, and being featured in an Andrew Lloyd Webber Instagram post. 02:07 From Tennis To Theater 08:22 Audition Movers Call 20:45 Swing Life Prep 26:09 First Night Grizabella 31:46 Wild Onstage Stories 34:02 Webber Instagram Shoutout 38:16 Rapid Fire Check out Denise on Instagram: @denise__jastraunig Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep266: The Jellicle Tribe: CATS US National Tour 4 Reunion Brunch Discusses Cats: The Jellicle Ball
We were honored to be invited to the reunion brunch for the Jellicle Tribe, a group of members from the US National Tour 4 of Cats. They got together before opening night of CATS: The Jellicle Ball to catch up and discuss all things CATS. Hear us discuss the excitement for the opening night, changes from their tour, and who is their Jellicle choice. Featuring (in order): Natasha Davison, Holly Cruz, Nancy Melius, Eddie Buffum & Elizabeth Mills, Helen, Lauren, & Steve Watkins, Linda Leonard, General McArthur Hambrick, Daniel Wright, Joyce Chittick, Rosemary Loar, Jacob Brent About the Production: Cats: “The Jellicle Ball” is a radical reimagining of Andrew Lloyd Webber’s iconic musical based on T. S. Eliot’s Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats, inspired by the Ballroom culture that roared out of New York City over 50 years ago and still rages around the world. Staged as a spectacularly immersive competition by Zhailon Levingston and Artistic Director Bill Rauch. Unfortunately, this production closed way too soon. Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep265 - Bebe Nicole Simpson, Demeter in CATS: The Jellicle Ball
“In ballroom, femininity in particular is embraced. It really shifted my perspective on things.” This episode features Bebe Nicole Simpson who is performing as Demeter in Cats: The Jellicle Ball. Bebe discusses the show’s early closing, her late introduction to CATS, and how she researched Demeter’s traditionally darker Macavity backstory before adapting it to this production’s “House mother” Macavity. Bebe compares lore variations across CATS productions, including shifting relationships and new theories in The Jellicle Ball, and talks about the move from The PAC to the Broadhurst, where staging and audience sightlines changed performance choices. Bebe shares a unique perspective on how ballroom helped her embrace femininity and body image. An episode you won’t want to miss. 02:46 Demeter and Macavity Lore 13:09 PAC to Broadway Transition 19:33 Learning Ballroom Culture 26:09 Walking Categories and Body 27:43 Costume Confidence 30:37 Ballroom Body Positivity 31:26 Onstage Lore And Relationships 37:47 Improvised Comedy Bits 43:57 Rapid Fire Check out Bebe on Instagram: @bebeeee_nicole Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep264 - Jordan Stefanski, The Jellicle Patron
“All of them took concepts here and turned it into just this massive expression of queer joy in the time we are living in right now. It doesn’t deserve to be seen. It demands to be seen.” This episode features Jordan Stefanski, a devoted Cats: The Jellicle Ball fan who has seen the show over 50 times. Jordan comes on the show to discuss how his CATS journey began with the 2019 movie and later shifted after hearing about the ballroom concept through a friend involved in early workshops. Jordan explains why he repeats shows like A Strange Loop and Oh, Mary and his philosophy of bringing friends by buying tickets. Jordan then dives into how The Jellicle Ball’s queer joy, audience immersion, and evolving details reward repeat visits. He shares favorite places to sit (especially boxes), highlights DJ Griddlebone and Junior LaBeija’s presence, and praises swings and dance captains. An episode of true fandom and patron of the arts. 02:06 Surviving the 2019 Movie 04:34 Discovering Cats: The Jellicle Ball 08:50 Why He Keeps Returning 19:07 Hidden Details and Character Choices 21:10 Best Seats 28:35 Swings and Standout Moments 38:40 Rapid Fire Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep263 - Ryan Jackson, Mistoffelees on US National Tour 5
“You know when you walk into a conversation and two friends are laughing so hard you start to laugh? You have no idea what they are laughing about but the energy is infectious. I think that the fact this show is utter nonsense, it allows a freedom so then the joy on stage invites the audience in.” This episode features Ryan Jackson who played Mr. Mistoffelees during the early years of the US National Tour 5 of CATS. Hear Ryan discuss his first exposure to the show, rehearsals filled with unwritten lore, and Gillian Lynne’s surprising insights into the choreography. Ryan describes the ensemble-driven fun of touring, including onstage games, the influence of superfans and fan art, and how constant cast changes kept performances fresh. He reflects on the pre-show ritual of applying Cats makeup which helped launch his later career as a makeup supervisor on Broadway. An episode you won’t want to miss. 03:23 Rehearsal Lore 11:14 Keeping It Fresh on Tour 21:15 CATS Makeup to Makeup Career 26:01 Mistoffelees Entrance 29:32 Makeup Career Origins 34:34 Cats: The Jellicle Ball 38:06 Rapid Fire Check out Ryan on Instagram: @thisguysmakeup, @its_ryan_jackson & @thisguysbeauty Check out Death Becomes Her on Social Media: @deathbecomesher Check out Death Becomes Her's website: deathbecomesher.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep262 - Leigh Archer, Jennyanydots on 2025 Australian Tour
“If you’d asked me if I’d be in CATS again, I would have absolutely laughed and said don’t be ridiculous.” This episode features Leigh Archer who played Demeter in Australia in 1994 and recently returned as Jennyanydots on the Australian tour. Leigh recounts first encountering CATS music while dancing in a Sydney football grand final show at age 14, later auditioning and joining an already-running Melbourne cast, where a rehearsal exercise helped her embody Demeter’s fear of Macavity. She describes touring Asia in the ’90s, especially Korea’s rock-concert-level audience reactions, and contrasts them with varied Australian crowds on the recent tour. Leigh shares what it was like re-entering the show many years later, relying on muscle memory, adapting to re-choreographed tap, navigating modern backstage social media fun, and defining character relationships. An episode you won’t want to miss. 04:28 Auditioning for Demeter 11:31 Returning After 30 Years 15:35 Backstage Culture Shift 20:05 Character Relationships 28:17 Tour Memories Then Now 32:14 Modern CATS Fandom 35:20 Rapid Fire Check out Leigh on Instagram: @archer5196 Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep261 - Petra Ilse Dam, Bombalurina on Asia Tour
“That’s the fun part about the show because the connections are not set and you can change them all the time.” This episode features Petra Ilse Dam who performed as Tantomile in the 2019 Vienna Revival of CATS and then as Bombalurina on the International Tour in 2022. Hear about Petra’s path into the show, from initially knowing only a few school numbers to auditioning for the Vienna revival, watching the 1998 DVD after getting the job, and learning the production in German. Petra discusses playing Tantomile, defining the twins as telepathic and moving as one with Coricopat, and using changing onstage connections to build character depth. She dives into her time on the International Tour evolving Bombalurina and the layered relationships she built out for the character. 00:46 First Encounter With CATS 05:15 Finding Tantomile in Rehearsals 09:20 Learning CATS in German 17:14 Onstage Relationships and Lore 27:11 Swing Life Stories 30:11 Prepping Friends & Family for CATS 35:03 Rapid Fire Check out Petra on Instagram: @petrailsedam Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep260 - Nathan Taylor, Bustopher Jones & Gus on the International Tour
“It’s a show unlike any other that has ever existed. I truly believe that. I think it broke all the rules of what made a successful hit Broadway or West End musical at the time.” This episode features international tour performer Nathan Taylor, who played Bustopher Jones and Gus on the International Tour. Nathan discusses his unexpected history with the show, its universal appeal, and how performers create new character moments nightly. Nathan recounts auditioning in an emotional time in his life, explains how he relates deeply to Gus, and defends Bustopher by clarifying the UK meaning of “gentleman’s club.” He shares his personal lore theory that the show can represent multiple Jellicle Ball nights and ages in Gus’s life, and describes friendships shaping onstage choices, especially with Jennyanydots. Nathan also shares the death of his mother during the tour, including how she heard his recorded performance as she passed. 00:53 Nathan’s CATS History 04:45 Why Cats Works 11:41 Defending Bustopher Jones 22:33 Gus Timeline Theory 26:26 Asparagus vs Peter vs Bustertopher 30:13 Jennyanydots Friendship Lore 42:02 Grief Onstage 44:53 Rapid Fire Check out Nathan on Instagram: @sockmatician Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep259 - Tommie Luyben, Mungojerrie in German Tent Tour
“I always think of CATS as a picture book. Like a children's picture book come to life.” This episode features CATS veteran Tommie Luyben who has performed in the show since 2006 and recently assisted Chrissie Cartwright on the 2025 Australian tour (and the 2022 Asia tour). Tommie traces his early fandom from CDs, library recordings, and the VHS to joining the 2006 Dutch tour as a swing, then performing on the German tent tour as first-cast Mungojerrie and later Skimbleshanks, plus swinging for the Vienna revival while covering many roles. He discusses challenges of performing in German, how rehearsal rooms build character backstories without changing the show’s outcome, and a very unique Electra theory. An episode you won’t want to miss. 01:19 First CATS Obsession 05:53 Dutch Translation Secrets 09:46 Vienna Swing Life 11:15 Assistant Director Era 13:33 Building Character Lore 20:55 Wild Rehearsal Theories 22:54 Macavity Deep Dive 26:32 Why CATS Still Hits 34:32 Chrissie Wisdom Nuggets 44:48 Rapid Fire Check out Tommie on Instagram: @tommieluyben Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep258 - Tannah Levick, Rumpleteazer in 2025 South Africa Tour
“ I believe that Jellylorum is our mother and she spends so much bloody time with Gus, trying to help Gus and fix Gus. We just wanna get her attention.” This episode features Tannah Levick who performed as Rumpleteazer in the South Africa production of CATS and will be on the continuation of the international tour. Hear Tannah share about her CATS history, how mentors and rehearsal process deepened her respect for the show’s poetry-based story, and how she became obsessed by researching through podcasts and cast discussions. Tannah describes the “I’m in CATS” choreography moments, auditioning in South Africa, insisting on Rumpleteazer, and how her onstage relationship with Mungojerrie shifts depending on who she is performing with(siblings, friends, or lovers). She shares mischievous audience interaction choices, viral tour social media with castmates, connecting with other Rumpleteazers for injury advice, and memorable show incidents including Mistoffelees getting stuck, a tire malfunction, and a bat flying onstage. 01:07 First CATS Memories 02:51 From Hating to Loving 11:41 CATS Theories and Lore 15:04 Rumpleteazer Relationship Theory 21:19 CATS TikTok Goes Viral 24:27 Global Jellicle Community 27:42 Tour Mishaps 32:25 Cats Astrology 37:25 Rapid Fire Check out Tannah on Instagram: @tan_levick Check out Tannah on Tik Tok: @Tannlevick Check out Tannah on Spotify: @Tannahlevick Check out the International Tour of CATS: www.andrewlloydwebber.com/show/cats Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep257 - Isabelle McCalla, Swing in McCalla's 1998 CATS & Emma Tate in Schmigadoon!
“My most treasured possession was that VHS. I played it every single day. And then I started teaching myself every single track.” This episode features Isabelle McCalla who is currently starring as Emma Tate in Schmigadoon! on Broadway. Hear Isabelle recount seeing CATS in 1998 at age five, petting the actress playing Cassandra, and becoming obsessed with the London VHS, learning songs and choreography in her parents’ ballroom dance studio. She talks favorite and hardest tracks, her childhood understanding of the show’s sensuality, and reactions to the new Jellicle Ball revival’s ball-culture framing and storyline, plus the 2019 Cats film and the viral “Mr. MESStoffelees” video. Isabella discusses the incredibly fun Schmigadoon! and then she and Mike cast the Cats into the show. 01:03 First CATS Encounter 02:39 1998 CATS VHS Obsession 09:13 Cats: The Jellicle Ball 18:28 2019 CATS Movie 20:08 Schmigadoon! 24:10 Schmigadoon Meets Cats 32:54 Rapid Fire Check out Isabelle on Instagram: @izzymccalla Check out Schmigadoon! on Broadway: schmigadoonbroadway.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep256 - Kendall Grayson Stroud, Swing in CATS: The Jellicle Ball
“Ballroom has been one of the most important pieces of my life so far.” This episode features Kendall Grayson Stroud who is a swing in Broadway’s Cats: The Jellicle Ball. Kendall joined the earliest 2022 workshop, performed as Electra at the Perelman Performing Arts Center, and is now a swing covering 10 characters. Kendall describes going into the project with no prior CATS knowledge and only a small introduction to ballroom, then receiving ballroom briefings that kept the production rooted in the community. They discuss developing Electra’s story, the shift to Broadway, and the demands of covering 10 roles, where improvisation and adaptability are essential. 01:46 Audition Story 04:35 Workshop Chaos And Ballroom Briefings 07:20 Building Electra At the PAC 10:25 Swing Tracks And Broadway Debut 17:49 Transfer To Broadway 21:12 Joining The Ballroom Community 29:41 Dream Judges 35:15 Rapid Fire Check out Kendall on Instagram: @kendallstroud Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep255 - Emma Sofia, Cassandra & Skimbleshanks in CATS: The Jellicle Ball
"I have a dream that Skimbleshanks, as a representative of the MTA, is able to have a sit down with Zohran Mamdani to talk about the MTA fares.” This episode welcomes back the wonderful Emma Sofia for her third appearance on the show to discuss transferring Cats: The Jellicle Ball from the Perelman Arts Center to the Broadhurst Theatre, including how they adapted the PAC’s long runway into a proscenium space with tiers, onstage seating, boxes, and continued audience immersion. Emma explains how she maintains Cassandra’s boundaryless audience interaction, where Cassandra and Skimbleshanks tend to play in the house, and how the team expanded relationships and ballroom “family tree” lore. Emma talks about cast/story tweaks such as Leiomy as Macavity, Emma receiving the Legacy Robe, the pace of Tony season, and standout promo moments like Miscast and an upcoming MTA Sessions Skimbleshanks collaboration. 01:34 Broadway Transfer 04:00 Designing Immersion at Broadhurst 07:05 Cassandra Crowd Work 16:52 Legacy Robe 22:59 Miscast Experience 30:44 Dream Collabs 33:09 Award Season 40:03 Rapid Fire Check out Emma on Instagram: @emmasofiaokay Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep254 - Victor Vazquez & Sujotta Pace, Casting Directors in CATS: The Jellicle Ball
“Junior does not have an agent or a manager. Junior has a community in front of him and we had to move through that in order to get the call.” This episode features the casting directors of Cats: “The Jellicle Ball” Victor Vazquez and Sujotta Pace of X Casting talking about casting the show from early workshops through the PAC run and to Broadway. They discuss their personal introductions to CATS, receiving the initial “ballroom CATS” pitch, and how evolving workshops shaped everything about the show. They describe prioritizing the ballroom community through dedicated open calls, using community networks to reach artists without traditional representation, and the challenges of assembling an ensemble while honoring CATS legacy. Enjoy this deep dive into the creative process and the intricacies of the show. 02:31 The Ballroom CATS Pitch 04:56 Writing the Viral Casting Call 07:34 Workshops and Role Discoveries 09:43 Finding Stars and Ballroom Legends 32:40 Casting For Representation 41:48 Honoring Elders Legacy 45:13 Icons Leading The Company 48:20 Rapid Fire Check out X Casting on Instagram: @xcastingnyc Check out Victor on Instagram: @victorvictorv Check out Sujotta on Instagram: @sujotta Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep253 - Dudney Joseph Jr., Munkustrap in CATS: The Jellicle Ball
“I think that the magic that MCs create and where they're able to activate someone. I think that's a gift and it's really incredible.”” This episode features Dudney Joseph Jr. who is currently performing as Munkustrap in Cats: The Jellicle Ball at the Broadhurst Theatre. Dudney shares his first exposure to CATS via VHS in Buffalo, roles he once imagined playing, and how the production grew through workshops into a Broadway transfer. Dudney explains blending musical theater narration with ballroom MC responsibilities, learning to “take up space,” and developing the Legend Statements and Stars (LSS) curtain-call chants, an idea he voice-noted to Zhailon after the Lincoln Center workshop, then built under tight timing at the PAC before it went viral. He discusses changes from the PAC to Broadway, collaborating with creatives to honor both Cats’ legacy and ballroom culture, and working alongside ballroom icons like Junior LaBeija and Leiomy, including how they supported and informed his performance. Dudney also created a custom “Wrong Cat Died” chant for a podcast curtain call. 01:00 Introduction to CATS 04:26 Jellicle Ball Workshops 07:01 Building Munkustrap as MC 11:12 Creating the Curtain Call Chants 23:19 From PAC to Broadway 28:45 Ballroom Meets CATS 38:11 Why You Should Go 44:00 Rapid Fire Check out Dudney on Instagram: @dudney_jr Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep252 - Dee Roscioli, Grizabella on US National Tour 5 & Standby in Death Becomes Her
“It was a compliment when someone was like, your felinity was really beautiful. They’re really good at being a cat. Your hands up in little paws, maybe wash your little face. Looking back it’s probably one of the more ridiculous things I’ve done in my life.” This episode features Dee Roscioli who is currently a standby for Madeline and Helen in Death Becomes Her on Broadway and was Grizabella on the US National Tour 5 in CATS. Dee shares how CATS was her first Broadway show at 16, her lifelong connection to “Memory,” and what it was like playing Grizabella at 25, including what she recalls about auditions, rehearsal focus on felinity, and portraying an outcast despite being close with the cast. She recounts touring mishaps and backstage stories from her time on tour. Dee then shares her work in Death Becomes Her including the challenges of being a standby who covers two leads, including gaps between performances and viral audience expectations. We cast the cats into Death Becomes Her and discuss upcoming performances Dee has planned. An episode you won’t want to miss. 06:43 Auditioning For Grizabella 10:24 Building Grizabella Physicality 12:30 Cats Felinity 21:11 Wild Tour Stories in Costume 24:36 Death Becomes Her Standby Life 28:14 Viral Moments and Making Them Yours 33:58 Casting Cats Into Death Becomes Her 39:02 Rapid Fire Check out Dee on Instagram: @deeroscioli Check out Dee's Linktree: linktr.ee/deeroscioli Check out Death Becomes Her on Social Media: @deathbecomesher Check out Death Becomes Her's website: deathbecomesher.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep251 - Ken Ard, DJ Griddlebone in CATS: The Jellicle Ball & Macavity in Original Broadway Cast
“You have to see it. It’s one of those things that if you miss it, you’ve missed a cultural moment in time.” This episode features the incredible Ken Ard who originated the roles of Macavity, Plato, and the Rumpus Cat in the original Broadway production of CATS and is currently performing as DJ Griddlebone in CATS: The Jellicle Ball at the Broadhurst Theatre. Ken shares his experience hearing the West End cast album, auditioning as a gymnast-singer-dancer, and developing Macavity as a chaotic street cat without the fan-made “family tree” lore, while learning in rehearsal through acting exercises alongside Betty Buckley. He describes the dangerous Rumpus Cat star-trap floor stunt, a knee injury during the original run, and meeting celebrities backstage. Ken dives into how The Jellicle Ball’s ballroom setting makes CATS clearer and emotionally resonant for a new era, his audition path into the expanded DJ Griddlebone role, and why skeptics and even CATS haters should see this reinvention, praising key performances and the production’s inclusive cast and culture. 01:05 Auditioning for CATS 03:25 Creating Macavity 05:05 CATS Lore vs Reality 09:16 Rumpus Cat Trapdoor 13:05 Original Run Memories 21:33 Becoming DJ Grizabella 28:31 Ballroom Meets Broadway 33:54 Standout Moments 44:53 Rapid Fire Check out Ken on Instagram: @thekennethard Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep250 - Gabrielle Parker, Jemima on the International Tour
“In my head I think Jemima is the daughter of Bombalurina and Macavity.” This episode features Gabrielle Parker who played Jemima on the 2025 International Tour of CATS. Hear Gabrielle share how a ballet background and seeing Cats around age 10 sparked her obsession with the show and her early goal to play Victoria. She recounts auditioning soon after graduating, initially being seen for Rumpleteazer before landing Victoria, and explains how character work begins with the “three words,” including Victoria’s surprising trait of being “unselfconscious.” Gabrielle discusses later playing Jemima on tours through Korea, Taiwan, China, and Europe, including the challenge and audience reaction of singing the opening of “Moonlight” in Korean and Mandarin. She offers personal Jemima backstory theories, reflects on touring culture differences, shares memorable mishaps and emergency cover moments, and reveals she met her husband on CATS, joking about a “white cat curse.” 00:50 First Time Seeing CATS 07:18 Building Victoria and Jemima 12:08 Jemima Backstory 20:20 Singing Moonlight in New Languages 24:33 White Cat Curse Love Story 26:48 CATS Wedding Performance 31:53 Rapid Fire Check out Gabrielle on Instagram: @gabbyparker_ Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep249 - sis thee doll, "Sis Thee Jellicle Doll"
“I felt like it was finally something that came to fruition for me. I’m about to go to the theater and see a trans woman on stage and also in my favorite show.” This episode features actress and activist sis thee doll who is a longtime CATS fan. Hear sis share how her connection began with the CATS video trailer on Barney’s Great Adventure and later deepened through school speech competitions using T.S. Eliot’s poems and seeing the 2016 revival live. She discusses first hearing about The Jellicle Ball and auditioning in summer 2023, describes attending early previews at PAC NYC on Juneteenth 2024, and shares how the show’s impact as a milestone for trans, especially Black trans women, and the ballroom community on Broadway. This is an episode made for both CATS devotees and Jellicle newcomers. 00:57 Becoming a CATS Fan 06:31 Hearing About The Jellicle Ball 08:39 Audition Story and Dream Roles 11:21 First Night at PAC 25:49 Friends Debuts 30:56 Broadway Representation 41:03 Why This Production Matters 41:53 Rapid Fire Check out sis on Social Media: @ucancallmesis Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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BONUS: CATS: The Jellicle Ball Opening Night Gold Carpet
We were honored to be invited to cover the Gold Carpet for the opening night of the highly anticipated production of CATS: The Jellicle Ball with VIPs from the film, TV, and Broadway industries along with the cast and creative team from the production. Hear us discuss the excitement for the opening night, changes from downtown to Broadway, and which Jellicle cat each celebrity would want to play. Featuring (in order): Co-Directors Zhailon Levingston & Bill Rauch, Associate Director Cooper Howell, Co-Choreographers Omari Wiles & Arturo Lyons, Costume Designer Qween Jean, Junior LaBeija, Leiomy, Ken Ard, Sherrod T. Brown, Garnet Williams, Bebe Nicole Simpson, Kalyn West, Jonathan Burke, Baby Byrne, Dudney Joseph Jr., Emma Sofia, Sydney James Harcourt, Nora Schell, Robert “Silk” Mason, Betty Buckley, Jacob Brent, Kevin Cahoon, Todrick Hall, Jess Val Ortiz, Lea DeLaria, LaChanze, Marti Gould Cummings, Jenn Colella, Olivia Lux, and Vanity LaVain. About the Production: Cats: “The Jellicle Ball” is a radical reimagining of Andrew Lloyd Webber’s iconic musical based on T. S. Eliot’s Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats, inspired by the Ballroom culture that roared out of New York City over 50 years ago and still rages around the world. Staged as a spectacularly immersive competition by Zhailon Levingston and Artistic Director Bill Rauch. Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep248 - Katie Fairbourne, Bombalurina in 2015 Brigham Young University-Idaho Production
“ I went through all these pictures the other day and was crying my eyes out laughing.” This episode features Katie Fairborne who performed as Bombalurina in BYU–Idaho’s 2015 production of CATS, to answer questions sparked by Teresa Jack’s viral social media post. Katie explains how she was a longtime CATS fan recruited to audition because the show needed dancers, and describes how the production toned down the choreography of the show while keeping some story elements like Grizabella’s reincarnation. She details the heavy, layered fur-and-lycra costumes that made the production go viral, the limited archival footage, and the audience reactions. 01:49 CATS Fandom 02:54 Casting Story 12:55 Choreography Changes 21:34 Performances and Reactions 25:23 Costumes and Honor Code 34:05 Rapid Fire Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep247 - Nina White, Future Grizabella & You Got Older
“I think the premise is clear. They have to compete. For their life. I really don’t know why either.” This episode features Nina White (Kimberly Akimbo, The Queen of Versailles) who is currently appearing at the Cherry Lane Theater in You Got Older. Nina comes on the show to discuss her strong pro-CATS opinions and why she thinks much of the show’s hate is unfounded. Nina shares seeing the tour in Detroit, the characters she gravitated toward, and which role she’d want today, plus thoughts on the CATS: The Jellicle Ball revival and her desire to play Skimbleshanks there. The discussion pivots to You Got Older, as Nina explains the play’s story about a woman returning home during her father’s cancer treatment and its themes of family, presence, and authentic sibling dynamics, including how personal it is to playwright Clare Barron. They end with rapid-fire CATS questions, debate the Jellicle choice, and share how to follow Nina and see the show. 02:14 First CATS Memory 05:24 Dream CATS Roles 15:11 Skimbleshanks Obsession 17:30 You Got Older 20:17 Why the Play Hits Home 34:49 Starlight Express Discussion 37:18 Rapid Fire Check out Nina on Instagram: @iamninawhite Check out You Got Older: cherrylanetheatre.org/shows/ygo Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep246 - Quentin Earl Darrington, Old Deuteronomy in 2016 Broadway Revival
“ I believe that they were all linked and in sync all of the cats because there's so many parts in the play where it's so evident within the storytelling that they are all in tune with one another immediately.” This episode features Quentin Earl Darrington who played Old Deuteronomy in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS and currently appears as the Phantom in Masquerade. Quentin explains how he had never seen CATS before auditioning and researched recordings and commentary to build the show’s story, then recalls the heavy, hot Old Deuteronomy suit, ice-pack vest, and unexpectedly having to dance with elite performers while also playing an opening-number ensemble cat. He describes shaping Old Deuteronomy through biblical books and viewing the Jellicle Choice as a collective, evolving decision, not predetermined, with Deuteronomy as a servant-leader who never expects to ascend. The conversation shifts to Masquerade’s immersive demands, constant variation, and physical backstage navigation, with Quentin embracing unpredictable audience proximity. 01:20 First Encounter With CATS 03:47 Costume Heat and Survival 04:49 Old Deuteronomy Decision Theology 18:48 Masquerade 27:49 Immersive Show Demands 36:17 Reinventing Classics Today 39:07 Rapid Fire Check out Masquerade on Social Media: @masqueradenyc Check out Masquerade's website: masqueradenyc.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep245 - Rachel Hauck, Scenic Designer for CATS: The Jellicle Ball
"It was very important to us that we figure out how to do this in a proscenium house because we want to bring this work to as many people as we can." This episode features Rachel Hauck who is the Scenic Designer for CATS: The Jellicle Ball. Rachel came to discuss the set and stage design at the Broadhurst Theatre sharing her first experience seeing CATS on tour in Los Angeles, what it was like being part of the project early on, and the research and collaboration required to merge Broadway and ballroom culture on stage. We discuss the challenges of designing an immersive runway environment at the PAC, audience sightlines and seating variety, and teased a few fun elements you can expect to see in the theatre. 01:14 Rachel’s CATS Origin Story 07:20 Designing PAC’s Immersive Space 12:04 Building the Broadway Runway 19:10 What Changes on Broadway 24:45 Set Surprises 32:07 Accessibility and Community Reach 32:55 Rapid Fire Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep244 - Aaron J. Albano, Skimbleshanks in 2016 Broadway Revival
“No one warns anyone before they go into CATS about just how hot the yak hair is.” This episode features Aaron J. Albano who played Skimbleshanks in the 2016 Broadway revival of CATS. Aaron describes first encountering CATS through the Cameron Mackintosh concert “Hey, Mr. Producer,” then trying the filmed version as a teenager and not finishing it due to the show’s non-linear structure. Hear Aaron offer an elevator-pitch explanation of the show, discuss the strong love/hate reactions CATS inspires, including the fans curiosity around Andy Blankenbuehler's revival compared with Gillian Lynne’s original staging, and even the infamous “Stop Cats” flyers that popped up around town before opening night. Aaron shares his experience covering seven tracks including his wild experience going on mid show. This is an episode you won’t want to miss. 01:00 Aaron’s First Taste of CATS 07:52 Getting Cast in the 2016 Revival 11:02 Life as a Swing 21:32 Becoming Full-Time Skimbleshanks 34:52 Being Thrown On Mid-Show 47:23 Rapid Fire Check out Aaron on Instagram: @aaronjalbano Check out Aaron's website: aaronjalbano.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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From The Vault: Robert "Silk" Mason, Mr. Mistoffelees in CATS: The Jellicle Ball
From The Vault: Originally released on June 28, 2024, this was episode 172 with "Robert "Silk" Mason who was the magical Mr. Mistoffelees in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026! "All of us have talked about how our characters are us, who we are in life." This episode features Robert "Silk" Mason who plays the magical Mr. Mistoffelees in the production. Hear Silk discuss their experience learninig about CATS, how they bring their personality into the dance numbers, and where Mr. Mistoffelees would fit in the ballroom community. Plus, Silk shares some details on how the Mr. Mistoffelees/Rum Tum Tugger relationship builds in this production. Check out Silk on Social Media: @_robertsilkmason_ Check out Silk's Haus: @theroyalhausofsilk Check out CATS The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep243 - Gavin Eden, Skimbleshanks on the International Tour
“I think that CATS needs to carry on existing. And when I say this word, I mean it with absolute love. Like a museum piece. It deserves to be preserved.” This episode features longtime CATS performer Gavin Eden who most recently played Skimbleshanks on the International Tour and has worked on productions in Germany, Korea, China, and on Royal Caribbean’s Oasis of the Seas. Gavin shares how he first encountered CATS via the 1998 VHS, learning the show in German, and memorable performance moments like going on as Mungojerrie in Act 1 and Mr. Mistoffelees in Act 2. He also dives into his fun onstage improvisational tradition of choosing a different “station master’s daughter” each show as Skimbleshanks. 01:21 First CATS Memory: 1998 VHS, Ballet Roots & Cat Obsessions 06:42 Learning CATS in German 13:33 Character Chemistry 30:28 Global Audience Etiquette 40:21 Onstage War Stories 44:35 Station Master’s Daughters Tradition 49:24 Rapid Fire Check out Gavin on Instagram: @gabitchi Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep242 - PJ Adzima, Broadway Performer, Producer, and Creator of Stage Time
“CATS The Jellicle Ball was one of the greatest theatrical experiences I’ve ever seen. It had a massive impact on me and made me a fan of CATS.” This episode features PJ Adzima who is known for his role as Elder McKinley in The Book of Mormon Musical and recent rise of his production company Stage Time. PJ discusses everything from his hesitation to dive too deep into the CATS world, his Broadway journey, and the innovative shows by Stage Time. Stick around for a fun segment where they try to cast Book of Mormon characters as CATS. Plus, get an insider look at some must-see new works and exciting upcoming projects. An episode you won’t want to miss! 00:42 Broadway Debut 01:36 Diving into CATS 05:33 The Jellicle Ball 14:51 Book of Mormon Journey 22:08 The Secret Sauce of a Good Musical 23:08 Stage Time: The Birth of a Production Company 36:11 Rapid Fire Check out PJ on Social Media: @pjadz Check out Stage Time on Social Media: @stagetimenyc Check out the Slam Frank Kickstarter: www.kickstarter.com/projects/slamfrank/slam-frank-original-cast-recording Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep241 - Cassiel Eatock-Winnik, Victoria in 2025 South Africa Tour
“The Jellicle Ball is a massive dance competition… to prove who’s best to the judge Old Deuteronomy to give them a new life. They are dancing for their lives.” This episode features Cassiel Eatock-Winnik who is currently performing as Victoria in the South Africa touring production of CATS. They discuss Cassiel's journey in musical theater, her unique experiences with the CATS production, and delve into the nuances of character development and performance. Cassiel shares her insights on the competitive nature of the Jellicle Ball, the importance of studying feline behavior for the role, and memorable moments from the show. Tune in for a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at this iconic musical. 01:05 Cassiel's Early Exposure to Theater 02:04 Auditioning for Victoria 09:04 Character Relationships and Dynamics 28:23 Audience Reactions and Reflections 36:13 Memorable Moments on Stage 39:00 Rapid Fire Check out Cassiel on Instagram: @cassiel101 Check out the South Africa Tour of CATS: www.andrewlloydwebber.com/show/cats Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep240 - Savannah DeCrow, Grizabella on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
“There’s always the chance that they can make an announcement of some sort and when that happens, that completely cuts the music in the show. It overrides the singing and everything.” This episode features Savannah DeCrow who recently performed as Grizabella on Royal Caribbean's Oasis of the Seas production of CATS. Learn about Savannah's unique journey from college to cruise life, the dynamics of performing in a moving ship, and her perspective on the show. Discover fascinating behind-the-scenes stories, costume mishaps, and what it's like to live and perform on a cruise ship. Also, get a glimpse of Savannah's social media presence where she shares her extraordinary cruise life. Don't miss this intriguing conversation filled with laughs, mishaps, and musical insights! 01:12 Savannah's Journey to CATS 04:00 Choreography and Rehearsals 07:31 Life on a Cruise Ship 16:34 Performing on a Moving Ship 26:00 Grizabella's Relationships and Theories 35:04 Rapid Fire Check out Savannah on Instagram: @savdecrow Check out Savannah on Tik Tok: @savdecrow Check out Savannah's website: Savannahdecrow.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep239 - Sam Brown, Munkustrap on the International Tour
“Chrissie set it out as this young lion who is about to inherit the throne. The Jellicle throne.” This episode features Sam Brown who is currently performing as Munkustrap on the International Tour of CATS. Sam shares his journey with the musical, from first discovering it as a child to joining the cast on tour. He dives into the unique storytelling and choreography challenges, the enriching rehearsal process, and the profound influence of director Chrissie Cartwright. Sam also offers a behind-the-scenes look at performing in different countries and the universal appeal of CATS. Listen in as he discusses his thoughts on the show's iconic characters, memorable moments, and who he believes should be the rightful Jellicle choice. 03:16 First Experience Watching Cats Live 04:40 Joining the International Tour 08:26 Rehearsal Process and Character Development 19:55 Audience Reactions and Cultural Differences 25:35 Memorable Moments and Funny Stories 31:54 The Power of Memory 33:21 Rapid Fire Check out Sam on Instagram: @sam_brown_ Check out the International Tour of CATS: tour.catsthemusical.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep238 - Tyler Daddario, Director of 2025 Broadway Theatre of Pitman Production
“The way I approached this whole production is that I wanted this to be the CATS that 11-year-old Tyler would want to see. If there were kids in the audience, I would capture their attention and maybe have them fall in love with the show in the same way that I did." This episode features Tyler Daddario who was the Director of the 2025 production of CATS at the Broadway Theater of Pitman, New Jersey. Tyler shares his personal and professional journey with CATS, starting from his childhood obsession with a Barney VHS trailer to directing a full-scale production. The episode delves into Tyler's unique approach to storytelling and character development, his rehearsal process, audience reactions, and his special family ties to the show. Tune in to hear fascinating behind-the-scenes insights and Tyler's reflections on what he'd change if he could direct Cats again. 01:24 Tyler's Early Love for CATS 02:31 Basement Productions and Family Involvement 06:04 Transition to Professional Theater 07:39 Directing at the Broadway Theater of Pitman 11:12 Rehearsal Process 23:06 Audience Reactions and Reflections 30:05 Family Trees and Interpretations 32:41 Memorable Moments in Production 37:19 Rapid Fire Check out Tyler's Website: www.tylerdaddario.com Check out Broadway Theatre of Pitman's Website: www.thebroadwaytheatre.org Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep237 - Adam Lendermon, Skimbleshanks on US National Tour 5
“When you’re acting like a cat to begin with, it’s a lot easier to paw in the direction that people need to be.” This episode features Adam Lendermon who played Skimbleshanks on the US National Tour 5 of CATS. Adam shares his introduction to the show, his audition and rehearsal process, and his experiences on tour, including memorable stories and interactions with fans. He also discusses the personality and backstory of Skimbleshanks, as well as his thoughts on the show's unique elements. Tune in for an in-depth conversation about the challenges and joys of performing in CATS, as well as a special listener story that highlights the impact of the musical. 00:58 First Encounter with Cats 02:37 Audition Process and Joining the Tour 04:40 Rehearsal Process and First Performance 10:50 Character Development and Relationships 15:29 Memorable Tour Stories 30:28 Rapid Fire Check out Adam on Social Media: @adamlendermon Check out Adam's Website: www.adamlendermon.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep236 - Marco Venturini, Macavity on the International Tour
“I actually think there is something kind of cool about a bad guy who is pure evil, that there are no redeeming qualities whatsoever.” This episode features Marco Venturini who is currently performing as Macavity on the International Tour of CATS. Marco shares his unique journey from Italy to the musical theater spotlight, reflecting on his early fascination with the musical and the depth of character development in CATS. The conversation dives deep into the intricate backstories of various characters, particularly focusing on Macavity, and offers a fresh perspective on the narrative and choreography of the beloved musical. Ideal for fans and newcomers alike, this episode is a blend of behind-the-scenes insights and passionate discussions about the timeless appeal of CATS. 00:58 Marco's Journey with CATS 01:43 Cultural and Linguistic Challenges 19:18 Macavity's Character and Relationships 34:00 The Complexity of CATS Characters 35:33 The Ensemble's Role and Dynamics 51:20 Rapid Fire Question Check out Marco on Instagram: @marco.r.venturini Check out the International Tour of CATS: tour.catsthemusical.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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From The Vault: "Tempress" Chasity Moore, Grizabella in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball
From The Vault: Originally released on June 25, 2024, this was episode 171 with "Tempress" Chasity Moore who was Grizabella in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026 and Tempress will be Grizabella! "When we were building, the connection between us (Macavity & Grizabella) was that he used to be in the House of Glamour at one time." This episode features "Tempress" Chasity Moore who plays Grizabella in the production. Hear Chasity discuss her experience being back on stage, how she's tackling Memory each night, and a dive into the ballroom history as the founding mother of her own house. Plus, Tempress shares a fun ballroom character aspect their production has between her and Macavity. Check out Tempress on Instagram: @i_am_tempress Check out Tempress' podcast on YouTube: www.youtube.com/@FQCrazySexyCool Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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From The Vault: André De Shields, Old Deuteronomy in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball
From The Vault: Originally released on September 3, 2024, this was episode 184 with André De Shields who was Old Deuteronomy in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026 and André will be Old Deuteronomy! "A theater is a temple. This is the fourth institution where the five necessary questions are answered. You have to answer a question. You have to resolve a crisis. You have to lift a burden. You have to break a yoke. Take that albatross off the neck of the people who have come for redemption. That's why we come and sit in a dark place with strangers. It's a kind of atonement, right?" This episode features André De Shields who plays Old Deuteronomy in this production. Hear André share his thoughts on the production, how he created his character, and how he views the story of CATS. Plus, André gives a passionate defense for why Grizabella has to be the Jellicle choice in this production. Check out André on Instagram: @andre_deshields Check out André on YouTube: @andre_deshields Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep235 - Ginger Minj, RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 10 Winner & Future Rum Tum Tugger
“ It's like an episode of RuPaul's Drag Race. You know there's a lot of people there. Some of them have very furry backs. Most of them pretend to dance and there's some cat fights. And then at the end one is chosen and everybody else is upset.” This episode features the multi-talented Ginger Minj, winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 10 and current host of a North American tour of Hokus Pokus Live. Ginger shares her first impressions of CATS, childhood memories, and thoughts on its characters and plot. The episode dives into Ginger's exciting year, new music releases, upcoming film, and memorable interactions with the cast of Hocus Pocus 2. Don't miss this entertaining and insightful conversation about musical theater, drag, and so much more! 00:48 First Encounter with CATS 02:15 Understanding and Interpreting CATS 07:53 Cats and RuPaul's Drag Race Parallels 16:33 Hocus Pocus Live and Career Highlights 28:43 Upcoming Film Projects 31:12 Rapid Fire Check out Ginger's Website: gingerminj.com Check out Hokus Pokus Live: hokuspokuslive.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep234 - Bryce Bayer, Munkustrap in 2025 Music Theater Heritage Production
“ It's like a group of misfits gathering behind the bleachers after school. And we're all weird and no one wants to hang out with us. So we get together and we tell stories together.” This episode features Bryce Bayer who played Munkustrap in the 2025 Music Theatre Heritage production of CATS in Kansas City. Bryce shares insights on his unique experience with this non-traditional version, including the use of minimal characters, a hip-hop and jazz infusion, and the fascinating concept of a ritualistic book club. Learn about Bryce's journey from no prior CATS experience to embracing and performing in this innovative interpretation. 03:01 The Unique 2025 Production of Cats 05:24 Rehearsal Insights and Podcast Discovery 08:09 Character Dynamics and Conceptual Approach 33:30 Creative Interpretations 36:04 Excitement for Traditional and Non-Traditional Productions 39:14 Innovative Stage Design and Props 43:02 Rapid Fire Check out Bryce on Instagram: @bbayer7 Check out MTH on Social Media: @MTHTheater Check out MTH's website: musictheaterheritage.com Check out The Music Man on Tour: themusicmantour.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep233 - Cooper Howell, Associate Director in CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
“I was involved basically since the very first workshop. I was the original Rum Tum Tugger.” This episode features Cooper Howell who was an Associate Director of the Perelman Performing Arts Center's reimagined production of CATS: The Jellicle Ball and will be continuing the role during the Broadway Transfer. Cooper shares their unique journey from their first Broadway show experience in the first grade to becoming a pivotal figure in the CATS production. Discover their personal connection to the show, their transition from actor to director, and the exciting elements of the new production. Don't miss this in-depth conversation about theater, creativity, and the transformative power of love. 00:51 Cooper's First Encounter with CATS 15:17 Transition from Actor to Director 21:46 Role of an Associate Director 25:04 Changes for the Broadway Stage 32:52 Guest Judges and Iconic Hosts 38:06 Rapid Fire Check out Cooper on Social Media: @thecooperhowell Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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From the Vault: CATS: The Jellicle Ball Creative Team ft. Zhailon Levingston, Bill Rauch, & William Waldrop
From The Vault: Originally released on May 10, 2024, this was a bonus episode with CATS: The Jellicle Ball Creative Team ft. Zhailon Levingston, Bill Rauch, & William Waldrop. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026! "What overtly having categories does dramaturgy of CATS itself is that there is a particular outcome of winner or loser that happens at the end of every song." This bonus episode features the creative team of the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS set in a ballroom which is appropriately titled: "CATS: The Jellicle Ball". Like me, many of you have been obsessing over this new production. I originally spoke with one of the directors Bill Rauch in July of 2022 when I first got wind of this potential new production which was just a reading at the time and the PAC wasn’t even open yet. Nearly 2 years later, I'm joined by directors Zhailon Levingston and Bill Rauch as well as music supervisor William Waldrop to discuss what you can expect from this new production. We recorded this episode two days before the team started rehearsals and discussed how this incredible production is being brought to life. This is an episode you won't want to miss. Check out Zhailon on Instagram: @zhailon Check out PAC on Instagram: @pac_nyc Check out PAC's website: pacnyc.org Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep232 - Adam Andrews & Jadyn Kelly, Mungojerrie & Rumpleteazer in 2025 Broadway Theatre of Pitman Production
“I want to warn you. You’ve got real life Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer here so we could talk for hours.” Check out this episode with Adam Andrews and Jadyn Kelly, who play the mischievous duo Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer in the Broadway Theatre of Pitman's production of CATS. Adam and Jadyn share their journeys to becoming CATS fans, their experience with the rigorous rehearsal process, and the joy of performing iconic double cartwheels. They dive into their unique interpretations of character relationships within the show and discuss their meticulous preparation, including unexpected insights from The Wrong Cat Died podcast. Tune in for a delightful conversation filled with theater insights, behind-the-scenes stories, and more! 01:23 Early Experiences with CATS 07:07 Rehearsal Insights and Podcast Influence 18:27 Character Relationships and Interpretations 41:17 Learning the Partner Cartwheels 47:35 Rapid Fire Check out Adam on Instagram: @adamandrews2 Check out Jadyn on Instagram: @jadyn_kelly54 Check out Jadyn on Tik Tok: @jadyn.54 Check out Broadway Theatre of Pitman's Website: www.thebroadwaytheatre.org Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep231 - Vikki Coote, Rumpleteazer in Original West End Production
“I felt like I was having a dream. Some out of body experience. Andrew literally sat there playing the overture right in front of me.” This episode features Vikki Coote who played Rumpleteazer in the original West End production of CATS. Vikki shares her amazing journey from her initial fascination with the musical, through her audition process, and her time performing in the show. She discusses the unique experience of altering the choreography and music from the British to the Broadway version, memorable backstage and onstage moments, and her involvement in the 1998 film adaptation. Vikki also offers insights into her current role as a performing arts teacher. 00:46 Vikki’s Journey to CATS 01:39 Audition Process and Early Experiences 04:58 Changes Mungojerrie & Rumpleteazer 11:28 Memorable Moments and Stories 21:59 The 1998 Movie Experience 27:01 Teaching and Mentoring Future Performers 32:52 Rapid Fire Questions Check out Vikki on Social Media: @vikkicoote Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep230 - Meghan Peploe-Williams, Swing on the International Tour
“When you have such a love and a passion for a show that means so much to you, you have the ability to take care of it and look after it.” Check out this episode with Meghan Peploe-Williams who in multiple productions of CATS. Meghan shares her extensive experience with the musical CATS, detailing her roles in various productions including the Vienna Revival, the Asia Tour, and the international tour. Listen in as Meghan reveals her introduction to CATS, her university production experience, and the unique challenges of performing in different languages and locations. Discover her favorite roles, memorable moments, and in-depth character insights, all while exploring what makes CATS such a special and enduring show. 00:45 Early Love for CATS 02:23 University Production Experience 06:38 Professional Journey Begins 07:26 Navigating Language Barriers 14:07 Assistant Dance Captain Role 27:11 Memorable Moments from The Stage 34:32 Rapid Fire Check out Meghan on Social Media: @meghan_cara Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep229 - Tim Scott, Director of 2018 & 2025 Music Theater Heritage Productions
“ I've never seen a production of CATS that looks the way a production of CATS are supposed to look which is why I always thought I was the perfect person to direct it.” This episode features Tim Scott who was the Director of the 2018 and 2025 reimagined productions of CATS at the Music Theater Heritage in Kansas City. Tim discusses his initial dislike of CATS and how that perspective influenced the innovative choices he made. From eliminating the iconic cat costumes to introducing hip-hop elements, Tim shares how his team brought new life to this classic musical, making it more relatable and emotionally impactful. Tune in to hear about the challenges, audience reactions, and the future of theater reimaginings. 01:06 Tim's Initial Dislike for CATS 02:35 The 2018 Production: A Bold Reimagining 04:26 Philosophy Behind the Unique Approach 12:00 Audience Reactions and Feedback 19:35 Diving into Character and Story Arcs 29:22 Upcoming Season Highlights 31:21 Rapid Fire Check out MTH on Social Media: @MTHTheater Check out MTH's website: musictheaterheritage.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep228 - Jalise Wilson, Grizabella in 2023 City Springs Theatre Production
“I couldn’t ignore the fact for me that I was playing Grizabella while also pregnant so for me I had to allow that piece of me to layer into my version of Grizabella.” This episode is with Jalise Wilson who performed as Grizabella in the 2023 City Springs Theatre Company production of CATS. Jalise shares her unique perspective on playing the iconic role while pregnant, her unexpected audition process, and her journey from jazz singer to musical theatre performer. Discover the depth and storytelling in CATS as Jalise discusses her experiences, challenges, and the profound impact of motherhood on her portrayal of Grizabella. Whether you're a die-hard fan of CATS or new to the musical, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the artistry and emotion that bring this timeless show to life. 02:15 Auditioning for Grizabella 06:07 Jacob Brent's Influence and Storytelling 11:41 Portraying Grizabella While Pregnant 24:31 Artistry and Motherhood 31:23 Rapid Fire Question Check out Jalise on Social Media: @_jalise Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep227 - Aaron Jenkins, Swing on the International Tour & Chorus in the 2019 Movie
“I’m not religious but Chrissie Cartwright would be the person I would pray to.” This episode is with Aaron Jenkins who is a versatile performer known for his extensive involvement in various CATS productions. Aaron shares his journey, from watching CATS on VHS as a child to performing in the 2019 CATS movie, an outdoor production at Kilworth House Theatre as Macavity, and on the international tour in China as a swing covering multiple roles. He delves into the unique challenges and memorable experiences of each production, including the demanding rehearsals, the intricate makeup processes, and the camaraderie among cast members. Aaron also discusses the fascinating nuances of the characters he portrayed and offers his insights on who should be the Jellicle choice. Tune in for an in-depth look at the magical and sometimes surreal world of CATS! 01:12 Early Experiences with CATS 02:10 Landing the Role in the 2019 CATS Movie 09:07 Reactions to the 2019 CATS Movie Release 17:17 Kilworth House Theater Production 23:34 Challenges of Outdoor Performances 25:52 Joining the International Tour as a Swing 38:02 Rapid Fire 43:23 Debating the Jellicle Choice Check out Aaron on Social Media: @aarondavidjenkins Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep226 - José Raúl, Swing on US National Tour 6
“Chrissie said that when Munkustrap admits Grizabella back into the tribe, that is Old Deuteronomy's confirmation that he is ready to lead the tribe.” Check out this latest episode with José Raúl, a talented swing performer from the US National Tour 6 of CATS. In this episode, José shares his unique experiences playing various roles in the iconic musical, from his start in community theater to his upcoming role as the Rum Tum Tugger on Royal Caribbean's Oasis of the Seas. Dive deep into the world of theater as José discusses his insights on the show's sensuality, character dynamics, and the psychological impact of embodying a feline on stage. Hear his passion for the CATS universe, his thoughts on the Jellicle choice, and his excitement for the challenges and opportunities that come with performing on a cruise ship. Don't miss this fascinating conversation about the magic of CATS and the life of a dedicated performer. 01:39 Community Theater and First Role in CATS 02:45 Exploring Sensuality and Sexuality in CATS 08:39 The Expansion of the CATS Universe 16:50 Challenges and Insights of Being a Swing 24:09 Character Development and Relationships 31:26 Reflecting on the Feline Experience 36:09 Excitement for the Royal Caribbean Cruise Performance 44:39 Rapid Fire Questions Check out José on Instagram: @joserauliii Check out José's website: www.joseraul.org Check out Oasis of the Seas: royalcaribbean.com/cruise-ships/oasis-of-the-seas Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ep225 - Michael Guerriere, Skimbleshanks in 2025 Shawnee Playhouse Production of CATS
“I started to realize that Skimble had a little bit of a cheeky side to him and that’s the thing I wanted to balance out along with his meticulous side.” This episode features Michael Guerriere who recently played Skimbleshanks in the Shawnee Playhouse 2025 production of CATS. They discuss Michael's introduction to CATS, his character development process for Skimbleshanks, and the unique experience of performing with a different Grizabella each night. Michael shares his intricate approach to doing makeup and reflects on the trust and camaraderie built during the production. 0:48 Michael's History with CATS 03:22 Diving into the Role of Skimbleshanks 09:36 Unique Production Elements 14:26 Building Trust and Overcoming Challenges 17:46 Memorable Moments and Makeup 22:21 Rapid Fire Questions Check out Michael's Website: www.michaelguerriere.com Check out Michael on Instagram: @mike_guerriere Check out Shawnee Playhouse on Instagram: @theshawneeplayhouse Check out Shawnee Playhouse's website: www.shawneeplayhouse.org Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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From The Vault: Fergie L. Philippe, Old Deuteronomy at Elon University
From The Vault: Originally released on December 14, 2020, this was Episode 32 with Fergie L. Philippe who was Old Deuteronomy at Elon University's production of CATS and is currently on tour with Beauty and the Beast. This episode features Fergie L. Philippe who stars as James Madison in the Broadway production of Hamilton but also played a wild weekend as Old Deuteronomy during the Elon University Production of CATS. Fergie shares how his Elon production utilized a Beyonce and Elvis cat, how CATS influenced his career, and how we would cast Hamilton characters as Cats aka HamilCATS. Check out Fergie on all social media platforms: @fergsters95 Check out Beauty and the Beast: beautyandthebeastthemusical.com Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Social Media: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.Part of the Broadway Podcast Network.
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