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Them Before Us Podcast
by Them Before Us
Join host Jennifer Friesen, Training Director at Them Before Us, along with the TBU team, as they cover politics, current events, and policy updates affecting children's rights. Featuring top experts in politics, bioethics, law, reproductive technology, research, and culture, this podcast equips listeners to defend children's rights in debates on legislation, family, and technology. With thought-provoking discussions and expert insights, the TBU Podcast is your go-to resource for advocating a child-centric approach in today's world.
Episodes
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Them Before Us #110 | Welfare, Feminism, and the Vanishing Black Family | Delano Squires
In 1965, about 24% of Black children were born to unmarried parents, and today that number sits around 70%. Delano Squires [ @squire429 ] is the author of The Vanishing Black Family and director of the Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Human Flourishing at the Heritage Foundation. In his book…
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Them Before Us #109 | C.S. Lewis Thought Gender was more Important than Sex?
Dr. Josh Herring joins Jenn on the Them Before Us podcast to talk about his new book, Sons of Adam, Daughters of Eve: C.S. Lewis' Images of Gender. Simone de Beauvoir said woman is made, not born. Judith Butler picked that up and ran it all the way to "gender is just a script — write your own."...
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Them Before Us #108 | The Powerful, the Weak, and Global Human Dignity | Life International
Jenn sits down with Zac Kadau and Alissa Hollander from Life International, a global ministry equipping Christian leaders in over 170 countries, to talk about what defending human dignity actually looks like on the ground. They get into surrogacy recruitment overseas, polygamy, honor and shame...
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Them Before Us #107 | The three ways school shapes your kid's soul (whether you notice or not)
This episode is for the teachers, the homeschool parents, and anyone with a kid in a classroom of any kind. Billy Hutchinson, director of Colson Educators at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, joins the show to break down a simple but powerful idea: nothing about education is neutral.…
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Them Before Us #106 | Fathers Are Essential and Women Cannot Father
Join the TBU team for our great big Father's Day episode! We've got interviews with Robin Porter from LoveLife, Roland Warren, the CEO of CareNet, a "Here for the Comments" segment on the best dads in media, and all our staff join together to share about their own mothers and fathers and the...
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Them Before Us #105 | We Graded Every State and only ONE Got an A
We just graded all 50 states on how well — or how badly — their laws protect children when it comes to parentage, surrogacy, donor conception, and marriage. Two-thirds of states got a C or below. One state got an A. In this episode, you'll meet the man whose state earned it — and the team that...
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Them Before Us #104 | Mothers and Fathers are NOT Interchangable w/ the TBU Staff
It's a special Them Before Us staff takeover as the gang gets together, in Brady Bunch style boxes, to share favorite mom and dad moments. Then Jenn and Sam go through some of the amazing moms in the movies as we round out the end of our Greater Than week of celebrating moms. What's a favorite...
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Them Before Us #103 | Are Gen Z Men Having a "Crisis of Purpose"? | Micah Kunkle
If you've caught Micah Kunkle debating "Progressive" ideas on Jubilee or other platforms, you already know he's the real deal. Micah joins the TBU podcast to talk debate strategy, why so many young men are drawn to "strong male" influencers pushing harmful ideas, and how we can engage Gen Z in…
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Them Before Us #102 | How to Restore "What Really Matters" with Tim Goeglein
What actually holds a nation together when everything feels like it’s coming apart?This week, Jenn sits down with Tim Goeglein to unpack the convictions behind his new book, What Really Matters: Restoring a Legacy of Faith, Freedom, and FamilyDrawing from history, culture, and personal…
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Them Before Us #100 | Making Fertility Fraud a Felony & Retaking the Arts
Big news out of South Dakota, fertility fraud is now a felony! Learn more about how Them Before Us played a part in inspiring this legislation, sponsored by SD Representative Terri Jorgenson, and what it means for children's rights. See more from Rep. Jorgenson at her substack here:...
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Them Before Us Podcast #099 | Katy Talento Talks Trump and how to Life Hack the Healthcare System
Friend of Them Before Us, Katy Talento is a Harvard-trained epidemiologist, naturopathic doctor, and former Trump White House health policy advisor who spent two decades inside the DC healthcare machine — then left to help everyday people and employers outsmart it. She writes about health policy,...
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Them Before Us Podcast #098 | Patriotism isn't Political with Katie Broussard
What are we teaching our children about America, and what are we neglecting? Jenn is joined by Katie Broussard, founder of The Littlest Statesmen and author of The Great George Washington, the first book in a seven-part series that introduces young children to the lives and characters of…
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Them Before Us Podcast #097 | #GreaterThan Launches and a NY Photographer Wins against Bullying
Katy and Jenn talk about the #GreaterThan launch, a coalition of most major Christian and conservative groups and thought leaders, to retake marriage and restore it to the institution that best protects children in society. Learn more at greaterthancampaign.comThen Jenn has a conversation with...
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Them Before Us Bonus | Is Katy Faust Anti-Adoption?
Katy's recent post promoting the #LiveAction Young Leader summit, where she is speaking this year, garnered some comments from someone claiming Katy is anti-adoption. Katy goes on the record with her controversial take on adoption and answers the question once and for all, where she stands on the...
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Them Before Us Podcast #096 | Talking Toxic Mom Groups & Cash for Babies?
How can governments incentivize couples to have more babies? What do you do when your fun mom group turns exclusive and "toxic"? And, in case you missed it, a "Here for the Comments" conversation about all the hate Katy got on her post about overturning Obergefell.
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Them Before Us Podcast #095 | Defending Pro-Life Speech at the U.S. Supreme Court
In this episode, Jenn talks with Aimee Huber of First Choice Women’s Resource Centers and ADF attorney Gabriella McIntyre about how the New Jersey Attorney General has used his power to target a pro-life ministry that has never had a single complaint. First Choice has spent decades walking with...
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Them Before Us Podcast #094 | How to Defend Young Minds
The industry that promotes illicit sexual behavior targets children because it wants life-long customers. The reality is that it’s not a matter of if your kids will see pornography but when. This should not scare parents. It’s a chance to get prepared and to help your children be ready when the...
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Them Before Us #093 | A Journey from Orphanage to Advocacy | Promoting Healthy Citizens in Indiana
In this episode, Jenn is joined by Birjan Crispin, the Deputy Director of the Good Citizen Project with the Indiana Family Institute, where they talk about his story of adoption and the best ways for Christians to be good citizens, promoting what is best for human flourishing.Learn more at...
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Them Before Us #092 | How Can We Save Families Before Tragedy | Upstream Collaborative
In this episode, we sit down with Phil and Melody to talk about Family Preservation Ministries and their upcoming UNSHAKABLE 2026 Conference. Their mission is clear: to protect, preserve, and strengthen families through the local church—helping people before they reach crisis or end up in the...
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Them Before Us #091 | Conceived by IVF & Sharing Pro-Life Views on Campus
You'll enjoy this conversation with Maddie! Check out her bio below and go follow her on Tiktok! "My name is Maddie, and I am a 22-year-old recent college graduate. I consider myself to be a Pro-Life activist. I was raised in a Christian-Conservative home, so my worldview has been wholly shaped...
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Them Before Us #091 | “Truth Rising: Our Civilizational Moment” | John Stonestreet
Colson Center’s John Stonestreet joins the Them Before Us podcast to discuss the new documentary Truth Rising. The film explores the rise of Western Civilization, the profound impact it has had on human history, why it’s now at risk, and what we can do to preserve it. TBU’s Katy Faust is also...
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Them Before Us #090 | Developing a Consistent Pro-Life Ethic with Stephanie Gray Connors
Stephanie Gray Connors is a leading voice in the pro-life movement, known for her remarkable ability to explain the ethics of life from womb to tomb in a way that is clear, practical, and easy to apply. She shares how her professional work has shaped her personal conversations, why both IVF and...
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Them Before Us #089 | Born of IVF & Blinded By Birth Control | A story of Pro-Life Hope
Today, Jenn is joined by Chelsey Painter Davis, "whose viral videos have broken the ice on disability and shattered stereotypes through her shockingly relatable humor, breath-catching stories, and vivacious charm.Growing up a survivor of in-vitro fertilization, Chelsey has never been afraid to...
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Them Before Us #088 | A Powerful Personal Story of Hope in Midst of Infertility
In this episode, Jenn has a conversation with Mirjam from the Netherlands. Share this story if you know someone who has struggled with loss and infertility. Check out her full bio and website below:My name is Mirjam and I'm married to Ido. We live in the southwest of the Netherlands. I was 38…
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Them Before Us #087 | How Can We Teach College Students to Seek Truth | Professor Robert P. George
In his second time on the Them Before Us podcast, Professor Robert P. George shared about his new book: "Seeking Truth & Speaking Truth: Law and Morality in our Cultural Moment." In his decades as a professor, George has taught between 8,000-10,000 students in the Ivy Leagues and hopes this...
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Them Before Us #086 | The Org That's Saved 1,000 Babies & An Embryo Adoption Journey
In this episode, Jenn interviews Let Them Live co-founder Emily Berning about how the organization is giving practical support to women who feel they don't have any other choice but abortion. Emily also shares the journey she and her husband have been on with embryo adoption. Subcribe to our...
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Them Before Us #85 | Keeping Kids with Mom - Together for Good
Jenn interviews Maridel Sandberg, the President and Founder of Together for Good, a national nonprofit launched in 2017 to partner with the local church in supporting vulnerable families before a crisis leads to separation. If we can get to moms who need support before their children get involved...
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Them Before Us #84 | From a Cult to Caring about Children's Rights in Spain
Jenn chats with a new connection from Spain, Rosana Montes, whose unique story has led her to caring for children and equipping adults in Spain with a restored understanding of the importance of marriage and family. If you have any connections in Spain, email [email protected] so we can connect...
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Them Before Us #082 | Civilization Depends on Dads: A Conversation with EksAyn Anderson
Jenn sits down with EksAyn Anderson, author, speaker, and founder of the Dadfluence movement, to discuss why fathers are one of the most critical forces shaping the future of children and society. From the heartbreaking story of losing his mother at age eight to practical, research-based…
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TBU Legal Watch | The Louisiana IVF Bill That Could Gut Pro-Life Protections
In this Legal Watch episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Jenn and Patience unpack a new Louisiana bill framed as “protecting IVF”, but which, in reality, dismantles key legal protections for human embryos. Patience explains how the bill, introduced by Senator Thomas Pressly, misrepresents the...
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Them Before Us #081 | Marriage Forces You to Grow or Quit and Why That's GOOD | #ANDnotOR
(Note from Jenn: You may notice a slight echo in the first 1-2 minutes of audio but we were able to figure it out! Thanks for your patience as we ironed out the early wrinkles!) In this #ANDnotOR feature episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Jenn sits down with long-time friends and fellow...
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Them Before Us #080 | Conceiving Miracles: Dr. Jennifer Mercier on Healing & Hope in Fertility Care
In this episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Dr. Jennifer Mercier shares her inspiring journey through women's health and fertility. As the creator of Mercier Therapy, a natural method that helps women conceive, she offers a meaningful look into alternatives to IVF. Drawing from her own...
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Them Before Us #079 | God’s Blueprint for Womanhood: A Conversation with Carrie Abbott
Boardroom or babies? Why not both? In this conversation, Jenn is joined by Carrie Abbott, speaker, author, national radio host, and the Founder and Director of The Legacy Institute, to talk about the strength and beauty of womanhood. With decades of experience as a teacher, corporate…
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Them Before Us #078 | Which Humans Are People? A Conversation with Nancy Pearcey
This episode of the Them Before Us podcast features a conversation with professor and author Nancy Pearcey, exploring what it means to truly love the body and uphold the dignity of the human person. Drawing from her book "Love Thy Body", Pearcey outlines the intellectual and personal journey that...
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Them Before Us #077 | Family Fragmentation Isn’t Neutral—It’s Neglect | Adam B. Coleman
In this powerful episode, author and cultural commentator Adam B. Coleman shares his deeply personal journey from childhood pain to redemptive purpose. Adam opens up about breaking generational cycles and transforming from a young man struggling with fatherlessness to being the father his son...
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Them Before Us #076 | How Is Your State Ranked on Marriage & Family? A Conversation with Aaron Baer
In this episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Jenn sits down with Aaron Baer, President of the Center for Christian Virtue, to discuss the compelling findings from The Hope and a Future Report. Together, they explore how the decline of marriage and family structure contributes to rising poverty,...
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Them Before Us #075 | Bobby Lopez: A Child’s Journey Through Divorce, Identity, and Redemption
In this episode Bobby Lopez shares his deeply personal journey of growing up in a home shaped by divorce and same-sex parenting. Reflecting on the struggles of identity, family connection, and the societal shifts that redefined marriage and parenting, Bobby provides a raw and honest account of…
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Them Before Us #074 | The Battle for your Child's Mind Starts at Home
In a world where culture is discipling our kids faster than ever, how can parents reclaim their role as the primary influence in their children’s faith? Join us as we sit down with Hillary Morgan Ferrer, founder of Mama Bear Apologetics, to discuss the biggest cultural lies targeting kids…
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Them Before Us #073 | When Fatherhood Doesn't Look Like You Expected
In this episode of the Them Before Us podcast, host Jenn sits down with Mark DeGrasse, creator of Dads in Autism Land, to explore the unique challenges and triumphs of fatherhood on the autism spectrum. Mark shares raw insights into balancing the needs of his two sons—one severely autistic and...
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Them Before Us #072 | Human Dignity for IVF Embryos | Laura Elm with Sacred Heart Guardians
In this episode, we considered something many folks haven't thought of, offering human embryos that have died in the IVF process Christian burial. Jenn chats with Laura Elm, the Founder and Director of Sacred Heart Guardians, the Catholic charity that provides dignity to these little human lives…
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Them Before Us #071 | Marriage, Family, and the Battle for Truth – A Convo with Glenn T. Stanton
What happens when culture tries to redefine marriage, gender, and family? In this episode of theThem Before Us podcast, Jenn sits down with Glenn T. Stanton, Director of Global Family Formation Studies at Focus on the Family, to discuss why marriage still matters—especially to young people—and…
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Them Before Us #070 | Mentors, Moms, and Miracles: The Church in Action
What happens when a community steps up to support families in crisis? In this episode, we sit down with Christine Denova, Executive Director of Idahope Families, to discuss how this ministry is mobilizing the church to provide real, hands-on help to struggling parents and children. From crisis...
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Them Before Us #069 | The Debt Crisis is a Kids’ Crisis | Pro-Child Politics | Phil Kerpen
Every baby born in America today starts life $80,000 in debt. In this powerful episode, Jenn is joined by fiscal expert Phil Kerpen to talk about how reckless federal spending, runaway debt, and economic myths are setting our kids up for disaster. Kerpen, president of American Commitment and a...
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Them Before Us #068 | Them Before Us & Our Supreme Court Brief | The Fight to Protect Kids Online
Warning: Adult Themes/Conversation Them Before Us has taken a bold stand to protect children online by submitting an amicus brief to the Supreme Court in defense of Texas' age-verification law for accessing adult content. This critical law, challenged by the "Free Speech Coalition"—an industry...
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Them Before Us #067 | Woke Seattle Vendors and Our 2025 Dreams
Join Founder and President Katy Faust and Training Director Jenn Friesen as they sit down for a candid conversation reflecting on an eventful and impactful 2024. From celebrating the triumph of meeting our ambitious 4th-quarter fundraising goals to unpacking the unexpected drama from woke...
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Them Before Us #066 | Author Leila Miller | Primal Loss: The Now-Adult Children of Divorce Speak
In this episode, Leila sits down with Jenn to discuss her book Primal Loss: The Now-Adult Children of Divorce Speak. In it, Leila shares insights from her interviews with 70 adults who experienced divorce during their childhood, adolescence, or young adulthood. The book reveals the profound…
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Them Before Us #065 | Jonathan Pageau | Retelling Fairytales for a Return to Truth & Beauty
Jenn is joined by Jonathan Pageau to talk about his eight-book fairy tale series and why it's so important to reclaim these ancient stories to proclaim truth and beauty to a world in need. Fairytales aren't just for children but are an important part of shaping children's minds. What do you…
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Them Before Us #064 | Andrew Wood | Empowering Churches to Boldly Engage on Abortion
Jenn is joined by Andrew Wood, the Senior Director of Church Engagement at Care Net, as he shares powerful insights on how churches can step up and make a meaningful impact in the pro-life movement. Learn how Christians can support unborn babies, offer hope to moms and dads, and create a culture…
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Them Before Us #063 | Seth Drayer from Created Equal | Culture Change on Abortion
Created Equal Vice President Seth Drayer joins Jenn on the Them Before Us podcast to share about the children's rights to life organization and their yearly "Justice Ride." They also consider whether or not pro-life organizations should show graphic images of the victims of abortion and other…
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Them Before Us #062 | Post Election Recap | What Does a Trump Presidency Mean for Children's Rights?
Jenn is joined by TBU's Josh Wood and Patience Sunne to share some thoughts on the 2024 election and what's next in the battle for children's rights. What do you think?
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Join host Jennifer Friesen, Training Director at Them Before Us, along with the TBU team, as they cover politics, current events, and policy updates affecting children's rights. Featuring top experts in politics, bioethics, law, reproductive technology, research, and culture, this podcast equips listeners to defend children's rights in debates on legislation, family, and technology. With thought-provoking discussions and expert insights, the TBU Podcast is your go-to resource for advocating a child-centric approach in today's world.
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