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Trade Secret Law Evolution Podcast
by Greenberg Traurig
Greenberg Traurig's Trade Secret Law Evolution Podcast strives to offer business leaders, in-house counsel, and entrepreneurs an easily digestible and quick analysis of the most current developments in trade secret law. In episodes short enough for a morning commute, host Greenberg Traurig Shareholder Jordan Grotzinger summarizes key cases and trends, providing takeaways on trade secret protection. Each episode will address recent developments occurring since the previous episode, to help you stay current on trade secret law and trends as you work to protect your company's most valuable assets.
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TSLE Industry Voices - David Gould (Episode 91)
In this episode of TSLE Industry Voices, a subseries of the Trade Secret Law Evolution Podcast, Jordan Grotzinger welcomes David Gould, CEO of FarmTogether. David is helping transform how investors access farmland by bringing a traditionally hard-to-reach asset class into a modern, tech-enabled investment platform. With over 30 years of Wall Street experience spanning portfolio management, emerging markets debt, and capital markets, David has held senior roles at firms including Cargill, Elliott Associates, Jefferies, Banco Pine, and AMERRA Capital Management, where he led capital markets, investor relations, and ESG initiatives. His global perspective now informs his mission to connect institutional capital with real-world impact as farmland emerges as one of the most compelling alternative assets of our time.
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Episode 90: New Circuit Cases on Statute of Limitations and the Preliminary Injunction Standard
In this episode, Jordan breaks down a major statute of limitations ruling from the Federal Circuit, which erased a massive verdict, and a Sixth Circuit decision clarifying the plaintiff's burden of proof when seeking a preliminary injunction.
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TSLE Industry Voices - Joe Perez (Episode 89)
In this episode, we launch TSLE Industry Voices, a new subseries of the Trade Secret Law Evolution Podcast featuring founders, business leaders, and in-house counsel discussing trade secret-related issues from the company perspective — how businesses think about proprietary information, competitive advantage, innovation, and risk in the real world. Our inaugural guest is Joe Perez, an entrepreneur and digital media executive best known as a co-founder of Tastemade, the global lifestyle media company focused on food, travel, and home and design content. Before Tastemade, Perez was the co-founder of LIVESTRONG.COM and Demand Media and was COO and CMO of Autograph. He has built a long career in internet media, gaming, and digital health. He has also been active in startup mentoring and advisory work, including with the USC Center for Body Computing and accelerator communities such as techstars and Mucker Capital. Today, Perez is building Proactive SPX, another company he co-founded, focused on science-backed training and performance programs designed for elite athletes.
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Episode 88: Ownership Issues
In this episode, Jordan breaks down a recent First Circuit case that addressed the issue of who owns a trade secret and therefore has standing to sue for misappropriation.
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Episode 87: Trade Secret Identification at the TRO and Summary Judgment Stages
In this episode, Jordan discusses two District Court cases that address the issue of trade secret identification at different stages of litigation.
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Episode 86: Two Circuit Cases on Damages Apportionment and Trade Secret Identification
In this episode, Jordan breaks down a Fifth Circuit ruling that requires apportionment of damages in multi-secret cases, and the Seventh Circuit's strict approach to trade secret identification at the summary judgment stage.
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Episode 85: 2025 Year in Review
This episode is our annual year in review. Jordan and Boston Shareholder Gregory Bombard break down last year's key cases and takeaways.
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Episode 84: How a 16th Century French Shipwreck Implicated the Florida Uniform Trade Secrets Act
In this episode, co-host Gregory Bombard joins Jordan to discuss a fascinating case from the Eleventh Circuit, originating from a sunken 16th century French warship and a dispute over artifact excavation 450 years later.
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Episode 83: "I Love Rumors"
In this episode, Jordan discusses two recent Circuit opinions, one about statute of limitations and how rumors and suspicion can trigger the clock, and the other about deference to juries' damages awards in trade secret cases.
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Episode 82: Micheal Binns, Head of Patents and Trade Secrets at Meta
In this episode, Jordan has a wide-ranging conversation with Meta's Head of Patents and Trade Secrets, Micheal Binns.
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Episode 81: FTC Noncompete Ban Update
In this episode, New Jersey Shareholder Galit Kierkut joins Jordan to discuss the latest developments and trends following the FTC's 2024 noncompete ban and resulting litigation.
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Episode 80: Statute of Limitations, Scope of Permitted Trade Secret Use, and Reasonable Measures
In this episode, the podcast's 80th, Jordan discusses two cases from Federal Districts in Texas and New York that address the statute of limitations, limited authorization to use trade secrets, and the reasonable measures to maintain secrecy requirement.
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Episode 79: The Ninth Circuit Revisits "The Delicate Problem"
In this episode, Jordan Grotzinger and Gregory Bombard discuss the Ninth Circuit's recent decision impacting the most litigated issue in trade secret cases – trade secret identification.
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Episode 78: When Are Misappropriators Dangerous Enough to be Enjoined?
In this episode, Jordan discusses a recent case from the Southern District of New York where an injunction was partially granted on a breach of contract claim but not on the trade secret claim. The Court found the plaintiffs didn't make a sufficient showing on irreparable harm, based on a lack of "danger" that the misappropriator would disclose the trade secrets to someone else.
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Episode 77: Establishing Irreparable Harm and Likelihood of Success
In this episode, Jordan breaks down a recent ruling from the Northern District of New York that addresses what to do and not to do to establish the elements of irreparable harm and likelihood of success for a motion to enjoin trade secret misappropriation.
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Episode 76: Two Circuit Cases on Trade Secret Identification, Proof of Misappropriation and Contractual Damages Waivers
In this episode, Jordan discusses a recent Fifth Circuit case that addressed trade secret identification and proof of misappropriation at trial, and an Eleventh Circuit case addressing whether and how trade secret misappropriation damages can be limited by contract.
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Episode 75: New Cases on Statute of Limitations and Trade Secret Identification
In this episode, Jordan discusses a Second Circuit Court of Appeals opinion on statute of limitations, and a Central District of California decision on trade secret identification, and specifically the importance of distinguishing alleged trade secret information from public information included in patents.
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Episode 74: First-to-File Rule, Res Judicata, and Statute of Limitations
This month, Jordan discusses how courts apply the first-to-file rule after a "race to the courthouse" and addresses cases involving the doctrine of res judicata and statute of limitations.
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Episode 73: Year in Review
In this episode, Boston Shareholder Greg Bombard joins us for the annual year in review.
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Episode 72: Starting the AI Conversation
In this episode, GT attorney Emily Livermore joins Jordan to begin the conversation on how AI affects trade secrets and trade secret law. They address trade secret ownership, reverse-engineering, and how to protect trade secrets in the age of this revolutionary and rapidly-developing technology.
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Episode 71: How Destroy and Certify Clauses Can Trigger the Statute of Limitations and the Showing Necessary for Irreparable Harm
In this episode, Jordan discusses a case in which a "destroy and certify" clause in an NDA triggered a statute of limitations, and another case that addresses how the possibility of irreparable harm may not be enough for preliminary injunctive relief.
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Episode 70: The First Circuit Addresses Two States' Competing Noncompete Policies
In this episode, co-host Gregory Bombard, a Shareholder in Greenberg Traurig's Boston office, returns to discuss a federal Court of Appeals decision addressing Massachusetts' and California's competing public policies on the enforcement of noncompete agreements.
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Episode 69: Prevailing Parties, Expert Costs as Damages, and Trade Secret Identification
In this episode, Jordan discusses two cases and three issues: (1) whether proof of causation and damages is necessary to be the prevailing party in trade secret cases, (2) whether "actual loss" for damages purposes includes expert costs, and (3) trade secret identification.
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Episode 68: FTC Noncompete Ban Enjoined
In this episode, repeat co-host Justin Victor joins Jordan and breaks down the latest developments in the FTC noncompete ban saga, including the nationwide injunction against the ban in the leading case, related litigation, what to expect and what to do.
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Episode 67: Extraterritorial Application of the Defend Trade Secrets Act
In this episode, Jordan discusses a Seventh Circuit decision in a case of first impression over whether the DTSA applies outside the United States.
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Episode 66: A Conversation with a Rocket Lawyer
In this episode, Bridget Smith, Assistant General Counsel and Director, Intellectual Property for Relativity Space joins the podcast to discuss her company, how her job involves trade secrets, her views on measures to protect trade secrets given her company's unique assets, and other subjects.
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Episode 65: Should You Inventory Trade Secrets?
In this episode, Jennifer Burdman, Chief IP Officer & Deputy General Counsel for Valo Health, joins Jordan for a robust discussion on the hot topic of trade secret inventory, including its pros and cons.
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Episode 64: The FTC's Non-Compete Decree
In this episode, Jordan and recurring co-hosts Gregory Bombard and Justin Victor discuss the FTC's new sweeping ban on non-compete agreements, and what it means for companies.
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Episode 63: Federal Subject Matter Jurisdiction, Trade Secret Ownership and Presumed Injunctive Relief
In this episode, Jordan discusses how to plead (and not to plead) subject matter jurisdiction under the federal Defend Trade Secrets Act, the requirement of trade secret ownership, and whether injunctive relief is presumed once the plaintiff proves misappropriation.
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Episode 62: Non-Compete Agreements in Missouri and a New Preemption Case
In this episode, Jordan discusses how Missouri treats the hot topic of non-compete agreements, and a recent District Court case in California on preemption.
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Episode 61: Year in Review
Jordan and GT Boston Shareholder Greg Bombard break down 2023's trends and key cases in trade secret law.
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Episode 60: Two States' Approaches to Preemption
In this episode, Jordan discusses Minnesota's and Texas's differing approaches to the doctrine of preemption as explained in two recent cases.
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Episode 59: A Federal Judge's Wisdom and Tips on Trade Secret Cases
This week, Jordan and co-host Gregory Bombard interview United States District Judge William G. Young, one of the most distinguished jurists on the federal bench. He sat down with us for an enlightening discussion on issues he's addressed in trade secret cases, including trade secret identification, how to protect trade secrets in court proceedings, and his views on arbitration versus trial. He even shares a little poetry.
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Episode 58: How the FBI Foiled a Conspiracy to Steal Agricultural Trade Secrets
Jordan Grotzinger and guest Michael Stimson, Vice President of Intellectual Property and General Counsel for Sun World International, LLC, discuss Michael's involvement in the DuPont Pioneer/Monsanto criminal case, which started when a contract farmer discovered someone digging on his property who then fled.
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Episode 57: Takeaways from Trade Secret IP Protection & Litigation - Boston
In this episode, Jordan and GT Shareholder, trade secret lawyer and returning co-host Greg Bombard discuss the 2023 Global IP Strategy Hub's Trade Secret IP Protection & Litigation: Boston conference, including key takeaways.
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Episode 56: Device Turnover Orders
In this episode, Jordan and GT Dallas Shareholder Bill Stark discuss "DTOs" (device turnover orders), how to get them and their impact on trade secret litigation.
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Episode 55: Trade Secret Identification at Trial and Avoided Cost Damages
In this episode, Jordan discusses a recent Second Circuit opinion that addressed how to sufficiently identify trade secrets at trial and analyzed when avoided cost unjust enrichment damages are appropriate.
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Episode 54: Reconciling Vicarious Liability Principles with Indirect Misappropriation Requirements
In this episode, GT litigator Jonathan Widjaja joins Jordan for a deep dive into how courts reconcile general agency principles with statutory requirements for indirect misappropriation, that is, liability for misappropriation based on the conduct of another. Jon also shares an interesting "fun fact."
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Episode 53: Pleading on "Information and Belief" and the Time Period for which Damages are Recoverable
In this episode, Los Angeles Shareholder Blakeley Oranburg and Jordan discuss an Eight Circuit case that addresses pleading trade secret misappropriation claims on "information and belief," and case out of the Southern District of Ohio that explains the time period in which damages for trade secret misappropriation are recoverable.
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Episode 52: Year in Review
In this episode, Boston shareholder Greg Bombard returns to discuss GT's 2022 trade secret Year in Review, and some highlights from last year's cases.
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Episode 51: The Sixth Circuit Analyzes Key Concepts in Trade Secret Law in Affirming Major Jury Verdict
In this episode, Jordan and fellow IP litigator Layal Bishara discuss the Sixth Circuit's deep dive into identification of combination trade secrets, proper measures of damages, and what it means to willfully misappropriate.
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Episode 50: TSLE Celebrates 50
In this episode, Bina Palnitkar and Jordan Grotzinger discuss the Northern District of Illinois' deep dive into what it takes to properly plead misappropriation and inevitable disclosure, and address the preemption doctrine. They're also joined by GT's very own Brian Duffy, the firm's CEO, who invented the "interesting fact" segment of the podcast and shares his own interesting fact.
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Episode 49: The Seventh Circuit Addresses Trade Secret Identification and Proof of Misappropriation
In this episode, Jordan and Boston Shareholder Greg Bombard discuss the Seventh Circuit's recent opinion in a case involving hydraulic actuator technology. The Court of Appeal addressed the critical issue of trade secret identification and analyzed whether the proof of misappropriation in this case was sufficient to survive summary judgment.
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Episode 48: The Tenth Circuit Addresses Causation, Exemplary Damages and Attorneys Fees under the Uniform Trade Secrets Act
In this episode, Dallas Shareholder Bina Palnitkar joins Jordan to discuss the Tenth Circuit's recent decision affirming a judgment in a trade secret case, which analyzes issues of causation, exemplary damages and attorney fee awards under the Uniform Trade Secrets Act.
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Episode 47: The Fine Line Between Lawful Notification and Unlawful Solicitation, and Injunction Specificity
In this episode, shareholder Jennifer Surprenant joins Jordan for a discussion of cases addressing the difference between lawfully notifying others about a new job for a competing business and unlawful solicitation of potential customers or clients. We also address the specificity required for injunctions against trade secret misappropriation, and courts' differing standards on this issue.
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Episode 46: Reconciling Trade Secret Law with Public Records Acts, Trade Secret Identification and Supersession
In this episode, we discuss how one state's Public Records Act is reconciled with trade secret protections. We also address trade secret identification at pleadings, and a recent decision interpreting the supersession doctrine.
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Episode 45: "The Head Follows the Heart" – Building a Case from Suspicion to Seven-Figure Jury Verdict
In this episode, Jordan's partner Rich McCrea discusses a unique trade secret case from inception to verdict, including methodically developing proof, picking the right jury and trial themes.
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Episode 44: Lessons in Proof from a Recent Summary Judgment Case
In this episode, we discuss a grant of summary judgment against a trade secret misappropriation claim, and some important lessons on proving misappropriation and damages.
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Episode 43: The Thrill of Fishing Coordinates and the Agony of Marginal Costs
We're back for our fourth year and discuss proper venue for prosecution of criminal trade secret theft of fishing coordinates, and what kinds of costs must be deducted to calculate lost profit damages in trade secret misappropriation cases.
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Episode 42: 2021 Year in Review
Jordan Grotzinger and Charles Feigelstock break down the highlights of 2021 in TSLE's third Year in Review.
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Greenberg Traurig's Trade Secret Law Evolution Podcast strives to offer business leaders, in-house counsel, and entrepreneurs an easily digestible and quick analysis of the most current developments in trade secret law. In episodes short enough for a morning commute, host Greenberg Traurig Shareholder Jordan Grotzinger summarizes key cases and trends, providing takeaways on trade secret protection. Each episode will address recent developments occurring since the previous episode, to help you stay current on trade secret law and trends as you work to protect your company's most valuable assets.
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