Trumponomics

Americans are spending less time with friends, nights out are getting more expensive and even major sporting events are becoming harder to afford. Stephanie Flanders speaks with Bloomberg reporter Ben Steverman and economist and author Richard Layard about what the "fun shortage" says about the economy, rising inequality and whether loneliness is becoming a political and economic problem.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A new, $2 trillion global arms race is underway — but this time it's being driven by artificial intelligence, drones and hypersonic weapons. Stephanie Flanders is joined by Becca Wasser, a geo-economics analyst with Bloomberg Economics, and Gerry Doyle, a senior editor for Bloomberg News, to explore how rising defense spending could reshape economies, redefine warfare and alter the future of global security.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The economy may look resilient on paper, but voters aren't buying it. Bloomberg's senior national correspondent Nancy Cook and Stuart Paul, who covers the US and Canadian economies for Bloomberg Economics, break down why affordability, gas prices, and lingering economic anxiety could reshape the battle for Congress—and whether Republicans can change the narrative before November.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Artificial intelligence is often discussed in terms of how many jobs it will eliminate, but Sarah O’Connor argues the biggest concern may be not what it does to the quantity of jobs, but the quality. Speaking on Bloomberg’s Trumponomics podcast about her new book, We Are Not Machines: The Fight for the Future of Work, the Financial Times columnist said AI and automation are increasingly reshaping jobs around the strengths and limitations of machines, leaving workers to perform narrower, less-rewarding tasks. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For 100 days, the world watched as one of its most important energy chokepoints got choked. Now, as the Iran war appears to be easing, Bloomberg Opinion columnist Javier Blas and Jamie Rush, Director of Global Economics, debate how quickly oil markets can recover, and what we've learned about China's growing influence over global energy demand.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Almost a century after the Wall Street crash of 1929, Andrew Ross Sorkin says he believes some of its most dangerous ingredients are reappearing. Joining Stephanie Flanders on Trumponomics, the financial journalist and author of 1929: Inside the Greatest Crash in Wall Street History argues that today’s market is filled with “eerie parallels” to the late 1920s. These include a transformative new technology, a flood of retail investors and a growing willingness to loosen the rules.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The idea of a “K-shaped economy” has become one of the most persistent themes about the US economy: While some households continue to thrive, in particular the wealthy ones, everyone else falls further behind. On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders, Moody’s Analytics Chief Economist Mark Zandi and Bloomberg Economics’ Andrew Sacher explore whether that narrative is simply another way of describing that longer-term American phenomenon of inequality — or whether it points to a deeper vulnerability.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A Gallup poll reported last year that just 15% of Americans said they had a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in big business, a record low. Since then, fear of artificial intelligence has made matters worse. So why is big business increasingly unpopular in Donald Trump's America? What does it tell us about the state of the nation and the long-term strength of the world's largest economy? On this week's Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders explores those questions with Bloomberg Opinion global business columnist Adrian Wooldridge. He says the root of this malaise may be a US corporate culture that's shifted from genuine risk-taking entrepreneurship toward a mix of oligarchic tech elites and bloated bureaucracies, fueled by market concentration and declining competition. Later, Flanders and Wooldridge explore whether AI will in turn disrupt these dominant firms or further entrench their power — and what the backlash against tech could mean for politics, capitalism and American democracy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Across developed markets, bond markets are staging a slow-motion car wreck. As Opinion columnist and senior markets editor John Authers puts it, the phenomenon is truly global. Authers and Robin J. Brooks, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and former chief economist at the Institute of International Finance, join host Stephanie Flanders to explain why investors have turned sharply against government bonds across the world’s major developed economies — and how the fallout could affect us all.Read John Authers's column here: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2026-05-19/the-great-bond-car-wreck-in-slow-motionAnd find Robin J. Brooks's substack here: https://robinjbrooks.substack.com/p/liz-truss-bond-market-blow-upsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sebastian Mallaby of the Council on Foreign Relations and author of The Infinity Machine: Demis Hassabis, DeepMind and the Quest for Superintelligence joins host Stephanie Flanders. He says Chinese AI is closing the gap—and that means Washington can’t afford to ignore safety talks.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As a high-stakes Trump–Xi summit looms, tensions over the Iran war and defiance of US sanctions threaten to derail what could be one of the year’s most consequential meetings. Stephanie Flanders is joined by Jennifer Welch, chief geoeconomics analyst for Bloomberg Economics and Bloomberg News executive editor Dan Ten Kate to unpack whether the talks will happen—and what’s really at stake for the global economy if they do.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the day of what could be Jerome Powell’s final Federal Reserve meeting as chair, Trumponomics shifts focus from a largely uneventful near-term outlook for rates to a more consequential question: what comes next under Kevin Warsh, Donald Trump’s pick to lead the central bank. Host Stephanie Flanders is joined by Krishna Guha, Vice Chairman and Head of Economics and Central Bank Strategy at Evercore ISI. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A new artificial intelligence model blindsided policymakers at meetings of the International Monetary Fund, raising fears of faster, more-sophisticated cyberattacks on the global financial system. But the same technology also is being touted by its builders as the most powerful defense banks could have. On this week’s episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders and guests Michael Deng, geoeconomics technology analyst at Bloomberg Economics, and Bloomberg News reporter Laura Noonan break down why Mythos, Anthropic’s most powerful AI model, is sparking both panic and optimism in boardrooms and across governments—and what it means for the security of the global financial system.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It’s now been one year since Donald Trump’s sweeping attempt at global tariffs, and the economic fallout has been more nuanced than either critics or supporters predicted. On this episode of the Trumponomics podcast, host Stephanie Flanders speaks with Anna Wong of Bloomberg Economics and Oren Cass of the conservative think tank American Compass about a US economy that, in many respects, has proven unexpectedly resilient. Growth hasn’t collapsed, inflation hasn’t spiked and the president’s April 2025 tariffs (most of which were struck down in February by the Supreme Court) generated substantial federal revenue. The debate now centers on whether it will make a difference when it comes to Trump’s stated goal: reviving US manufacturing.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders examines how the US-Israel war with Iran has choked one of the world’s most vital shipping routes and tested the foundations of global trade. With traffic through the Strait of Hormuz severely constrained and hundreds of vessels backed up, the disruption is pushing up energy prices and raising fresh concerns about the reliability of supply chains. Bloomberg Global Trade Editor Brendan Murray and Africa and Middle East Correspondent Peter Martin join to unpack the economic fallout and geopolitical stakes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders examines how the US-Israel war with Iran has presented China with two golden opportunities. The conflict provides Beijing with a chance to both widen its global diplomatic sway as the “adult in the room” and study the military tactics of its chief rival in real-time. Flanders is joined by Bloomberg's Fran Wang, who has spent almost two decades in China covering fiscal policy and economic planning, and Adam Farrar, Bloomberg Economics’ senior geoeconomics analyst for Asia-Pacific and a former adviser to US Vice President Kamala Harris, to unpack the geopolitical and economic implications of the crisis. While the Iran war presents near-term risks to China’s economy, they say, the long-term benefits could be far reaching.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A month into the US–Israel war with Iran, the global economy is already feeling the strain — such as surging oil prices and shifting interest rate expectations. Host Stephanie Flanders speaks with Tom Orlik and Dina Esfandiary from the Bloomberg Economics team about how Iran has managed to turn economic pressure into strategic leverage, complicating the outlook for President Donald Trump and raising the risk of prolonged instability.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Stephanie Flanders sits down with Nobel Prize–winning economist Daron Acemoglu to unpack one of the most urgent questions facing the global economy: how is artificial intelligence changing the future of work, and what are the potentially dire consequences for society and democracy?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Everything we think we know about recessions is wrong—or at least mostly wrong—according to ExxonMobil Chief Economist Tyler Goodspeed. He argues downturns aren’t the inevitable result of overheated booms and don’t arrive simply because expansions last too long. In his new book, Recession: The Real Reasons Economies Shrink and What to Do About It, which spans 350 years of US and UK economic history, Goodspeed contends recessions are typically the product of sudden, overlapping shocks—particularly to energy and food—that derail otherwise healthy expansions.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oil and gas traders are confronting a potential worst-case scenario after the US-Israeli strike on Iran Saturday: the Strait of Hormuz is effectively paralyzed, Saudi Arabia’s largest refinery is shut and Iran has hit Qatar’s giant liquified natural gas export facility. On this week’s episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders speaks to Bloomberg Opinion columnist Javier Blas and Ziad Daoud, chief emerging markets economist for Bloomberg Economics. Together they unpack the unsettlingly wide range of outcomes from the war, and how Russia will gain economically the longer the conflict continues. Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-03-04/iran-war-the-most-precious-commodity-is-water-not-oilSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this bonus episode, Chancellor Rachel Reeves says Britain's pending trade deal with the US won't affect its view on the conflict with Iran, as she discusses the UK's economic future. The chancellor sat down with Bloomberg's Head of Economics and Government Stephanie Flanders after issuing her Spring Statement on Tuesday, as she seeks to convince markets and voters that Britain’s public finances are resilient enough to weather the fallout from the conflict in Iran and rising global energy prices.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders speaks with Josh Green, national correspondent at Bloomberg Businessweek, and Anna Wong, chief US economist for Bloomberg Economics, about President Donald Trump’s upbeat economic message during his State of the Union address and the reality on the ground. Affordability fears remain despite government data indicating slowing inflation, and the Supreme Court ruling upending Trump's tariff strategy has thrown fresh uncertainty into the mix. Our guests ask whether those numbers will outweigh shaky consumer sentiment, tariff turmoil and growing anxiety over artificial intelligence ahead of the midterms.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Stephanie Flanders is joined by Bloomberg News Editor in Chief John Micklethwait and Jennifer Welch, chief geoeconomics analyst for Bloomberg Economics, to unpack the Munich Security Conference and what it revealed about the shifting global order. From Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s rising influence inside the US administration to Europe’s rethinking of nuclear deterrence and ties with China, the conversation explores how Trump has reshaped alliances.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Donald Trump has been touting his pick to replace Fed Chair Jerome Powell as an economic boon, claiming Kevin Warsh will help deliver an improbable 15% rate of US growth. But financial markets will likely be content with something less hyperbolic: reassurance he won’t simply do the president’s bidding. The former Fed governor’s nomination initially sent yields and the dollar higher while knocking gold sharply lower, moves consistent with expectations of a tougher line on inflation and a smaller central bank balance sheet. But on this week’s episode of Trumponomics, Evercore ISI Vice Chairman Krishna Guha argues that investors may be over-interpreting Warsh’s hawkish reputation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Donald Trump returned to office promising once again to rein in China’s economic rise. Instead, his first year back has delivered Xi Jinping something close to the opposite: a world more open to Chinese exports, more willing to hedge against Washington and increasingly uncertain about the reliability of the US or its commitments. On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders speaks with Lowy Institute Senior Fellow Richard McGregor and Bloomberg Executive Editor Dan Ten Kate about how the US president’s unpredictable and often combative diplomacy has given the Chinese president more room to maneuver—all without forcing Beijing to change its export-heavy, state-driven economic model.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nigel Farage sits down with Stephanie Flanders on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos to argue that Brexit and Donald Trump weren’t shocks, but the opening chapters of a global shift away from consensus politics and globalization. From US growth and NATO to China, energy and Britain’s post-European Union future, Farage lays out his vision of "national interest" in a fractured world.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Donald Trump’s return is forcing allies, executives and investors to rethink how they deal with an economic superpower that keeps everything “on the table.” In this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders, Bloomberg News Editor in Chief John Micklethwait, Bloomberg Television host Annmarie Hordern and Sridhar Natarajan, Bloomberg News’ chief Wall Street correspondent, examine whether Europe is finally prepared to push back after a year of accommodating tariffs, trade threats and now even territorial claims while Trump scrambles to address an affordability crisis at home while pushing a business-friendly approach to AI abroad. The conversation explores how this historic divergence from rules-based economics is reshaping global alliances, US corporate strategy and the future of both US markets and the world economy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Stephanie Flanders, Bloomberg’s head of government and economics, is joined by Anna Wong, chief US economist for Bloomberg Economics, and Bloomberg News senior Washington correspondent Saleha Mohsin to unpack the political backlash sparked by the Trump administration's criminal probe into Fed Chair Jerome Powell, including rare pushback from a few Republican lawmakers and Donald Trump’s own Treasury secretary. The discussion explores how the move, which Powell says is over monetary policy rather than building renovations, could backfire by hardening his resolve, complicating Trump’s plans to install a new Fed chair and his attempts to force interest rate cuts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week, Stephanie Flanders examines the economic fallout of the US attack on Venezuela and Washington asserting effective control over the South American country. The discussion focuses on what this means for global oil markets, US economic power and the rules-based international order. Javier Blas, a columnist for Bloomberg Opinion and energy expert, and Bloomberg Economics analyst Chris Kennedy, who served as a member of Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s policy planning staff, explain how access to Venezuela’s vast oil reserves could give the US unprecedented leverage over energy prices and foreign policy. They also analyze how it increases geopolitical instability and may help, or hinder, Trump's domestic political goals.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Stephanie Flanders is joined by Bloomberg Economics Chief Economist Tom Orlik, Bloomberg Opinion columnist Parmy Olson and Bloomberg News US politics editor Mario Parker to look back at a chaotic 2025—marked by Donald Trump’s messy April tariff rollout and a presidency defined by seemingly deliberate uncertainty—and ask what it means for 2026.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How are rising insurance costs—both health and automotive—becoming a major driver of the affordability crisis spreading across America? And what are the implications for next year’s midterm elections? Bloomberg reporter Rachel Cohrs Zhang, who covers health policy, and Boston Bureau Chief Brooke Sutherland join to discuss. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When the Trump administration posted its 29-page national security strategy on Dec. 5, it presented foreign governments with a jarring reinterpretation of America’s place in the world and how it sees traditional allies. On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders, along with Adam Farrar, senior geoeconomics analyst for Bloomberg Economics, and Shawn Donnan of Bloomberg News, discusses how the White House broadside appears to reorder US priorities. In particular, they analyze its clear message that—to Donald Trump—economic power isn’t just a component of US national security; it is national security.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

US President Donald Trump may soon name Kevin Hassett as the next Fed chair, subject to Senate confirmation. So what happens if he gets the job when Jerome Powell's term ends next year? On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders, Bloomberg Economics Chief US Economist Anna Wong and Washington correspondent Saleha Mohsin unpack why Hassett has emerged as the likely pick, and what it could mean for markets, interest rates and the Fed’s independence. For more, Anna Wong's Interview with Kevin Hassett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECFNeNqKQOMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders sits down with Singapore Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan to unpack the shifting dynamics of global trade in an era of US protectionism and rising geopolitical tension. From Donald Trump' retreat from America's postwar role to the deepening lack of trust between Washington and Beijing, Balakrishnan explains why today’s economic disruptions are less a sudden storm than “geopolitical climate change.” Yet amid fractured supply chains and rising uncertainty, he offers a note of optimism—highlighting how Asia, Europe and other mid-sized economies are forging new alliances to keep globalization alive.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this week’s episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders, Bloomberg’s head of government and economics, dives into what she calls “the curious case of the everywhere, nowhere tariffs.” Since President Donald Trump’s return to the White House, his sweeping new trade levies—pitched as a way to “liberate” the US economy—have dominated headlines and whipsawed markets. But where are the real effects? Flanders is joined by Anna Wong, Bloomberg Economics’ chief US economist, and Brad Setser, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, to untangle who’s actually paying for these tariffs, how they have affected the US economy so far, and whether there’s any evidence they’re accomplishing any of Trump’s stated goals.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this week’s Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders explores how Democrats are repurposing President Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign theme—affordability—as their own political cudgel, and whether it could lead to more victories in 2026. Bloomberg political correspondent Nancy Cook and The Atlantic writer Annie Lowrey join to unpack the politics and policy behind America’s enduring cost-of-living crisis.Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-07/government-shutdown-mamdani-win-show-us-politics-is-about-affordabilityhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/great-affordability-crisis-breaking-america/606046/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this week’s Trumponomics, we sit down with former White House Chief of Staff for Barack Obama and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel. A  former Democratic congressman and ambassador to Japan, Emanuel—who won’t rule out a run for president in 2028— joins host Stephanie Flanders to share his “pro-America” economic agenda, arguing that the real reason US politics has turned fraught is that “the American dream has become unaffordable.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this week's Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders focuses on Mexico, one of America's largest trading partners and a nation with a lot at stake in Donald Trump's global trade war. Flanders is joined by Alex Vasquez, Bloomberg economy and government reporter in Mexico City, and Felipe Hernandez, who covers Latin America for Bloomberg Economics. They discuss how Mexico’s first female president, Claudia Sheinbaum, has  navigated Trump’s chaotic tariff threats and retreats and what’s at stake for her country’s economic future. The episode unpacks how Mexico might just turn the trade tables on the Republican president and, even outgrow the US by 2030.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Gavekal Dragonomics’ Arthur Kroeber joins Trumponomics to discuss how the latest tit-for-tat reveals Beijing’s growing leverage in its standoff with Washington. After a period of quiet, the trade war between the US and China reignited in recent weeks when Washington expanded its export controls and Beijing hit back with restrictions on rare-earth exports. China expert Arthur Kroeber explains that both nations are using their economic networks as instruments of power, but that Beijing appears to be gaining the upper hand.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this special bonus episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders sits down with former New York Fed President Bill Dudley for a candid conversation about the future of the Federal Reserve. Dudley offers rare insider insight into the balancing act facing Chair Jerome Powell—weighing sticky inflation, artificial intelligence-driven growth and a shaky labor market—while warning of the mounting threat to Fed independence posed by Donald Trump.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on Trumponomics, we explore the global surge in government debt and why investors still seem unfazed, especially when it comes to the US. Joining the conversation are Jason Furman, former chair of President Barack Obama’s Council of Economic Advisors, and Rupert Harrison, former adviser to UK Chancellor George Osborne. Recorded live in Bloomberg's London offices at an event for the Society of Professional Economists, they discuss whether rising debt levels are finally reaching a breaking point and what it could mean for the world economy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week’s episode of Trumponomics explores why the current US government shutdown may be different from previous iterations, why it may last longer than most and how it could end up triggering a recession.  With the shutdown in its second week, host Stephanie Flanders, head of government and economics, and her guests Matthew Glassman, senior fellow at the Government Affairs Institute at Georgetown University, and Anna Wong, chief US economist for Bloomberg Economics, discuss how this standoff is actually a deeper struggle over presidential power. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week, we're widening the lens a bit with a panel from the Bloomberg event "Women, Money and Power." Host Stephanie Flanders spoke with Alessandra Galloni, editor in chief of Reuters, and Zanny Minton Beddoes, editor in chief of The Economist, about how their news agencies are grappling with the sheer volume of news coming out of Washington and the Trump administration's aggressive approach to the media. They discuss press freedom challenges, the global impact of “Trumponomics” and how their newsrooms balance independence, fairness and resilience amid political and economic upheaval.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders explores US President Donald Trump’s decision to impose a $100,000 fee on new H-1B visa applications, which industries will lose the most from this new expense for foreign workers and a potential long-term silver lining for India, the source of most of them. Bloomberg Economics analyst Michael Deng explains the cost pressures facing smaller US firms, while New Delhi–based analyst Chetna Kumar outlines the challenges for Indian IT giants, and why the policy might also push India to expand its domestic R&D and service hubs.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Stephanie Flanders, Bloomberg’s head of government and economics, is joined by Bloomberg managing editor Shelly Banjo and senior reporter Ian King to discuss how Trump has changed the rules for corporate America, and whether this marks a permanent change.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Why is the price of money rising and what does US President Donald Trump have to do with it? Stephanie Flanders is joined by Bloomberg Economics' Jamie Rush and Tom Orlik to explore the global forces driving up interest rates, from defense spending to deglobalization, and what higher borrowing costs mean for governments, businesses and households.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Trumponomics, we explore the curious moment in markets where most investors see equities as overvalued but don’t want to sell just yet. Host and Bloomberg Head of Government and Economics Stephanie Flanders is joined by Bloomberg Economics economist Anna Wong and Everything Risk author Ed Harrison.Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-31/stock-market-s-fate-comes-down-to-the-next-14-trading-sessionsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It’s been a little more than seven months since US President Donald Trump returned to the White House, and much has been made of his administration’s unprecedented actions when it comes to trade, geopolitics and domestic matters. There are plenty of detractors pointing to the downsides of the Republican’s moves, but we hear less about what the US should be doing instead. It raises the interesting question: what would the Democratic alternative be? Host Stephanie Flanders and Noah Smith, a former columnist for Bloomberg Opinion and now a prominent Substack writer, ask whether—if the opposition party returns to power—should it return to the neoliberal policies of the Obama administration, or find its own populist message to match that of Trump? Or perhaps something in between?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.