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Under the Scales

by Osiris Media

Under the Scales is a podcast by Tom Marshall, longtime songwriter for the band Phish. The podcast captures and brings to light the rich and complex culture surrounding Phish and its diverse, devoted fanbase. Phish’s quirky sense of humor pervades and steers the podcast. Tom will interview the band, fans, insiders, outsiders…and dare to go UNDER THE SCALES to uncover the beating heart of Phish! Presented by Osiris Media.

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  1. Trey Guitars Pt. 2 (re-release)

    Trey Anastasio explains the magic of Paul Languedoc's guitars to me and Dan Kanter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  2. Trey Guitars Pt. 1 (re-release)

    Trey Anastasio shares years of guitar insights with me and Dan Kanter. Originally released in 2017. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  3. Tapers (re-release)

    Co-hosts RJ and Jonathan and I take a DEEP DIVE into Tapers. Tapers are a huge part of Phish's history...but what are they? Who are they? Let's find out. Take a deep breath and jump in with us. Originally released in 2016. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  4. The Songwriting Weekend (re-release)

    In 1997, Trey and I escaped for long weekends to write a lot of songs which eventually appeared on Phish albums and became part of Phish's live repertoire. This is the story of one of those weekends, and how it got off to a *horrifying* start. Trey listened to this and said "it's like the secret...

  5. HF Pod Mt. Rushmore: Carini

    Sharing an episode from our other podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast, where the hosts discuss and choose their top 4 versions of Carini. Enjoy! -- Thanks for joining us for our Carini Mt. Rushmore episode! Join us next week for our Summer 2025 Venue Draft. RJ (official) 2/17/97 12/30/12 8/3/18...

  6. HF Pod Mt. Rushmore: Down With Disease

    Here's an episode from our other podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast, where the hosts choose their top 4 versions of Down With Disease. Enjoy! -- Thanks for joining us to talk about our top versions of Down With Disease. Our picks are below. Enjoy! Brian (official) 8/17/97 12/31/99 10/29/13...

  7. HF Pod: Do You Have to Be There to Get It?

    Here's a fun one from our friends at HF Pod. -- Today we have a brief conversation about live music fandom, and whether you need to be at the show to really "get it." And vote on the Down With Disease Mt. Rushmore, which we'll be discussing next week: ⁠⁠osirispod.com/rushmore⁠⁠ Please give us a...

  8. HF Pod Mt. Rushmore: Harry Hood

    Here's an episode from our friends at HF Pod, where they each choose the top 4 versions of Harry Hood. Enjoy! -- We're ready to put the top 4 versions of Harry Hood on Mt. Rushmore! Thanks for joining us. Next episode, we're doing Light. To vote for your top four versions, go here:...

  9. HF Pod Mt. Rushmore: Bathtub Gin

    Sharing an episode of our longest-running Phish podcast, HF Pod. Here's the first episode of a fun new series, Mt. Rushmore. -- Welcome to the first episode of our new series, Mt. Rushmore! Today we're talking about the four versions of Bathtub Gin that belong on that mountain. Thanks for...

  10. HF Pod Tweezer Draft

    We wanted to bring you a couple episodes from our longest-running Phish podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast. We thought you'd enjoy some of these draft episodes. Thank you. -- That's right folks, we brought the draft back and we brought it back real serious like. We're drafting Tweezers. Please...

  11. HF Pod Phish Summer 2024 Venue Draft

    We wanted to bring you a couple episodes from our longest-running Phish podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast. We thought you'd enjoy some of these draft episodes. Thank you. -- Today we have a special draft episode! Brian, Megan, and RJ each chose one show from each region / city / state where...

  12. HF Pod 25+ Minute Jam Draft

    We wanted to bring you a couple episodes from our longest-running Phish podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast. We thought you'd enjoy some of these draft episodes. Thank you. -- We're back with another fun, competitive, and intense draft. This one is really fun. We each draft jams in different...

  13. HF Pod 2024 Show Draft

    We wanted to bring you a couple episodes from our longest-running Phish podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast. We thought you'd enjoy some of these draft episodes. Thank you. -- We're back with a new, exciting draft, this time of 2024 shows. Megan defends her crown and Brian and RJ try to claw...

  14. HF Pod Phish Album Draft

    We wanted to bring you a couple episodes from our longest-running Phish podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast. We thought you'd enjoy some of these draft episodes. Thank you. -- Thanks for joining us as we do dive back into drafts, this time of Phish's studio albums. This one was a lot of fun and...

  15. Festival Circuit Newport Folk E5: When We Dream Together (Re-Release)

    For the series finale, we go back to the Fort. Join us as we bring you the sights and sounds we experienced at Fort Adams as Newport Folk returned after a necessary break in 2020, and presented their six-day, half capacity 2021 festival, Folk On. We'll take you from the meaningful first notes…

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  16. Festival Circuit Newport Folk E4: Surround Hate & Force It to Surrender (Re-Release)

    We're hearing a lot about diversity and inclusion these days (which is great!) but as we'll learn in this episode, those two words and what they stand for are at the very core of what guided the earliest days of Newport Folk and Jazz over sixty years ago, continuing to this day. And as we know,...

  17. Festival Circuit Newport Folk E3: Expect the Unexpected (Re-Release)

    There’s one thing you can be sure about when you go to Newport: Expect the Unexpected. From the festival’s inception, it’s been an event packed with surprise sit-ins and once-in-a-lifetime collaborations. In this episode, you’ll hear about some of the most memorable, emotional, and legendary...

  18. Festival Circuit Newport Folk E2: It Became a Utopia (Re-Release)

    Now that you’ve heard what a special place Newport Folk has become, let’s go back in time to learn a bit more about how we got here. Guided by the founder of the Newport Folk Festival, the legendary George Wein, we’ll take you to the roots of the festival with one-time Newport board member Judy...

  19. Festival Circuit Newport Folk E1: Hope and Sunscreen (Re-Release)

    Welcome to Festival Circuit: Newport Folk! In our first episode, we take you straight to historic Fort Adams State Park, the site where the Newport Folk family gathers to celebrate music and community each July. We learn directly from Newport crew members about the energy, planning, work, and…

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  20. Festival Circuit New Orleans E5: A New Day (Re-Release)

    Welcome to episode 5 of Festival Circuit: New Orleans. In this final episode, we wrap things up by looking at what the future holds for live music and jazz fest and how the music industry needs to change, and we pay tribute to some of the people who made New Orleans music what it is today. We...

  21. Festival Circuit New Orleans E4: From The President To Frenchmen Street (Re-Release)

    Welcome back to Festival Circuit: New Orleans. In this episode, we’re going to explore the late night music scene around jazz fest. We hear from George Porter, Papa Mali and Robert Walter about the magic of one-time late night collaborations, and we talk with Irma Thomas about performing with…

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  22. Festival Circuit New Orleans 3: At the Fairgrounds (Re-Release)

    Welcome back to Festival Circuit: New Orleans. In episode 3, we’re going to jazz fest! We’ll look at how the festival started, hear from interviewees about standout performances, talk about the evolution of the festival itself, and of course, talk a bit about jazz fest food. We spend some time in...

  23. Festival Circuit New Orleans E2: Families of Music (Re-Release)

    Welcome back Festival Circuit: New Orleans. In episode 2, we explore the idea of family in New Orleans, in all the ways that it manifests—the famous musical families of the city, the broader New Orleans musical family, and the idea that the city feels like one big family in many ways. There's...

  24. Festival Circuit New Orleans E1: Spirits in the Water (Re-Release)

    Welcome to Festival Circuit. This is a new narrative series focusing on the history and impact of festivals and cities around the world. The first season, focused on the music of New Orleans and the annual jazz festival, premieres today. In episode 1, we explore the history of the city and the...

  25. Under the Scales: Two Versions of Me (Re-Release)

    This is the final Under the Scales episode! We are merging with two other Phish podcasts to form Undermine, a new weekly podcast starting in February 2021. In this episode, friend and Osiris colleague Mike Finoia joins Tom to discuss the song Two Versions of Me, a Phish song written in 2003....

  26. Under the Scales: Mountains in the Mist (Re-Release)

    Tom is joined by fellow Osiris podcaster Mike Finoia (Comes a Time). Mike pilots the submarine as they do a deep dive into the 1998 Phish song Mountains in the Mist. Awaken beasts! Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad...

  27. Under the Scales: November 1995 with Brad Sands (Re-Release)

    This November, the top 3 Osiris Phish podcasts are focusing on November 1995 - a great era in Phish history. Under the Scales welcomes back Brad Sands who appeared two years ago on Episode 40 in June 2018. Brad and Tom today discuss Phish’s November 1995. Coming after their ambitious cover of The...

  28. Under the Scales: This Isn't Happening w/Steven Hyden (Re-Release)

    Fall 2000 was a tumultuous time — politics were dividing the country, the internet was advancing faster than society could keep up, and the recording industry was undergoing major change. We take another look at this time through the lens of another band, Radiohead. Steven Hyden, author of a…

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  29. Under the Scales: Fall 2000 Pt. 2 (Re-Release)

    As part of the Osiris Phish podcast ‘October Project’, along with Beyond the Pond and HF Pod, we are examining Phish’s epic Fall 2000 tour. In this second of two episodes, Tom interviews John Paluska who was Phish’s first manager. John sheds light on Phish’s decision to take their first hiatus...

  30. Under the Scales: Fall 2000 Pt. 1 (Re-Release)

    As part of the Osiris Phish podcast ‘October Project’, along with Beyond the Pond and HF Pod, we are examining Phish’s epic Fall 2000 tour. In this first of two episodes, Tom interviews Andy Gadiel, the founder of Jambase, who was at every show for the latter part of this tour. Andy sheds light...

  31. Under the Scales: Lyric Dive Leaves (Re-Release)

    RJ and Tom dive deeply to examine the Phish song Leaves. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  32. Under the Scales: Bob Lefsetz (Re-Release)

    Tom talks with Bob Lefsetz, music industry analyst, author, podcaster and Phish fan about the state of music in the world today. Check out the Lefsetz Letter archive: https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/ Subscribe to the Lefsetz Letter: https://lefsetz.com/lists/?p=subscribe&id=1 Originally released in...

  33. Under the Scales: Lyric Dive Chalkdust Torture (Re-Release)

    RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Chalkdust Torture. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  34. Under the Scales: Vance Powell (Re-Release)

    Tom speaks to the multiple grammy-winning producer, engineer and mixer responsible for so much of the great music we all listen to, Vance Powell. Recently having completed co-production of Sigma Oasis, he tells us how he got here and about some of the other fantastic artists who rely upon him to...

  35. Under the Scales: Lyric Dive Evening Song (Re-Release)

    RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Evening Song. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  36. Under the Scales: Don Hart (Re-Release)

    Tom is joined by a very special guest for the new Under the Scales season premier. Don Hart is a Nashville composer and arranger, and has been working with Trey since 2004 to add beautiful orchestration to so many of his songs. Don discusses working with Trey, and their technique, and illuminates...

  37. Under the Scales: Kevin Cassels (Re-Release)

    The secrets and stories behind the Pharmers Almanac Volume 6, bible to Phish fans when it came out in October 2000, are told by its creator Kevin Cassels. Fly backwards 20 years into Phish's remarkable history with Kevin and Tom. Recorded by Julia Shuster. Originally released in 2020. Please...

  38. Under the Scales: Billy Strings (Re-Release)

    The wonderful bluegrass sensation Billy Strings is on the show! Billy shares 5 important songs with Tom and explains how they influenced his career. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  39. Under the Scales: Jesse Jarnow (Re-Release)

    Rock writer Jesse Jarnow is featured. We discuss his many articles, books and career at large. One article in particular created enormous ripples (a tsunami?) in the Phish community. Jesse is known in the Osiris world as the voice/writer of After Midnight, a tribute to Phish's 1999 Big Cypress...

  40. Under the Scales: CID Presents (Re-Release)

    Dan Berkowitz, founder and president of CID Presents is interviewed by Tom and RJ. What is CID Presents? How did they pull off yet another amazing Phish gala in Mexico? Why did Phish move to a different resort? What is CID doing next? All these questions and more, answered. Originally released in...

  41. Under the Scales: Goose Part 2 (Re-Release)

    Conclusion (Part 2). Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to...

  42. Under the Scales: Goose Part 1 (Re-Release)

    (Part 1 of 2) Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee…

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  43. Under the Scales: Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend (Re-Release)

    Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend talks songwriting, Phish, music industry, show biz, influences, New York and more. RJ Bee joins Tom to interview Ezra in a far-ranging open-ended interview where the Vampire Weekend effect is viewed through a Phish lens occasionally. Originally released in 2020....

  44. Under the Scales: Pink Talking Cal Kehoe (Re-Release)

    Cal Kehoe, guitarist for Pink Talking Fish, talks music with Tom. The two met exactly 10 years ago, and have written three songs together and shared a stage at a Phish after show during the Bakers Dozen in 2017. Listen to Cal discuss PTF and the method and philosophy behind covering three bands....

  45. Under the Scales: Beyond the Pond Best Albums (Re-Release)

    Another Osiris podcast, Beyond the Pond, has compiled their top-30 albums of the decade. Tom talks to them about their motivations and the thoughts behind making such an epic compilation. We hear music from each of the hosts' top-10 selections. Brian Brinkman's top 10 albums: Brian’s Top Ten…

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  46. Under the Scales: Lyrics Dive 4 (Re-Release)

    Listening can make you wonder. If you've ever wondered about the songs: Dirt, Guyute, Undermind or Light, then listen to this lyrics-analysis podcast and perhaps pieces will fall into place for you. But keep wondering anyway. Photo Credit: Tom Marshall Photo Art: Mark Dowd Originally released in...

  47. Under the Scales: Lyrics Dive 3 (Re-Release)

    The lyrics for 3 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. The Wedge, Crowd Control and No Men in No Mans Land are all on the table. Produced by RevoiceMedia.com Photo credit: Jay Sweet Originally released in 2019. Please support our work by visiting...

  48. Under the Scales: Scott Aukerman (Re-Release)

    From 2011 to 2014 there was an amazing Phish podcast called Analyze Phish hosted by Scott Aukerman and Harris Wittels. Once it ended, Tom Marshall, saw an opportunity for another Phish podcast and launched Under the Scales in 2016. In this episode, Tom interviews one of the Analyze Phish hosts,...

  49. Under the Scales: Waterwheel (Re-Release)

    Phish's charitable arm, the Waterwheel Foundation, is discussed by the founders: Beth Montouri Rowles, Matthew Beck and Henry Schwab. Produced by RevoiceMedia.com. Originally released in 2019. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

  50. Under the Scales: Ticketing with CashOrTrade (Re-Release)

    Tom speaks with Brando Rich of CashOrTrade.org. Platinum tickets, hoarding, scalping and more are discussed, and how new technology is helping to get face-value tickets into fan’s hands. The ticket secondary market is examined. Buyers often face steep markups, but there are new methods being...

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Under the Scales is a podcast by Tom Marshall, longtime songwriter for the band Phish. The podcast captures and brings to light the rich and complex culture surrounding Phish and its diverse, devoted fanbase. Phish’s quirky sense of humor pervades and steers the podcast. Tom will interview the band, fans, insiders, outsiders…and dare to go UNDER THE SCALES to uncover the beating heart of Phish! Presented by Osiris Media.

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