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Ungrafted
by Icy Liu
Ungrafted is a podcast about wine, humanity, and the planet. Join Icy Liu in a series of conversations with scientists, winemakers, and industry professionals who are dedicated to pushing deeper into biodiversity, regenerative agriculture, reducing the carbon footprint of wine, increasing diversity in the wine business and more. Instagram: @ungraftedpodcastWebsite: www.ungraftedpodcast.com
Episodes
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Episode 22: Ungrafted Farming Conference in Burgundy — January 22, 2026
What would happen if we brought some of the most thoughtful growers together — n What would happen if we brought some of the most thoughtful growers together — not to compete or compare, but to listen, share, and learn from one another? On January 22, 2026, the Ungrafted Farming Conference hosted...
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Episode 21: François de Nicolay (Domaine Chandon de Briailles) on Skim Milk against Powdery Mildew
Today I speak with François de Nicolay from Domaine Chandon de Briailles in Savigny-les-Beaune, Burgundy. The 14 hectare biodynamic domaine started experimenting with spraying with skim milk instead of sulfur against powdery mildew in 2013. Powdery mildew (oidium in French) is a major fungal...
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Episode 20: Brian McClintic (Viticole Wine) on Wines for the Future
Brian McClintic is an ex Master Sommelier who worked at the Little Nell in Aspen and starred in the SOMM documentary films. Brian launched Viticole Wine in 2016, a wine club for which he collaborates with organic wine and cider producers around the world on custom bottlings. Today I speak with...
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Episode 19: Carlton McCoy MS (Roots Fund & Demeine Estates) on Black Representation in Wine
Today I speak with Carlton McCoy MS from the Roots Fund and Demeine Estates about Black representation in the wine industry. Carlton grew up in southeast Washington DC where wine was not part of his family or culture. After winning the C-CAP (Careers Through Culinary Arts Program) cooking…
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Episode 18: Olivier Lamy (Domaine Hubert Lamy) on High Density Plantings in Burgundy
Today I speak with Olivier Lamy of Domaine Hubert Lamy in Saint Aubin, Burgundy. Olivier is one of Burgundy’s cult winemakers and a pioneer in the return to high density plantings. Olivier discusses the history of plantations in Burgundy and Champagne, the practical choices that led to a lowering...
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Episode 17: Steve Matthiasson on Water Conservation in the Vineyard
I speak with Steve Matthiasson, vineyard consultant and owner of Matthiasson Vineyards in Napa, about water conservation in the vineyard. Steve gives an overview of Napa’s climate and how farming practices have changed over the last 20 years. He cautions that drought cycles are more extreme and...
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Episode 16: Christina Rasmussen and Daniela Pillhofer (Little Wine) on Carbon Neutral Shipping
I speak with Christina Rasmussen and Daniela Pillhofer, cofounders of Little Wine about carbon neutral shipping. Little Wine is an online wine content platform focused on organic plus and climate positive growers. Little Wine also has an online bottle shop and wine club, with carbon neutral...
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Episode 15: Cristiana Tiberio (Agricola Tiberio) on Montepulciano d'Abruzzo Biotypes
Today I interview Cristiana Tiberio from Agricola Tiberio in Abruzzo about biotypes. Cristiana discusses the difference between biotypes and clones. She also shares her journey identifying biotypes in her vineyard, including the Fonte Canale biotype of Trebbiano Abruzzese and 4 distinct biotypes…
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Episode 14: Elaine Chukan Brown on Indigenous Representation in the Wine Industry
Today, I chat with Elaine Chukan Brown about Indigenous representation in the wine industry. Elaine is an Alaskan Native, from the Inupiaq-Unangan-Sugpiaq tribes. She started fishing commercially when she was nine years old and worked in various industries before starting her wine career. Elaine…
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Episode 13: Mimi Casteel (Hope Well Vineyard) on Tilling
We conclude Regenuary with our interview with Mimi Casteel. Mimi is one of the preeminent voices for regenerative agriculture and no till, which she practices at Hope Well Vineyard in Eola-Amity Hills, Oregon. Mimi explains the advantages and disadvantages of tilling, one of which is the release…
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Episode 12: Nigel Greening from Felton Road on the Role of Animals in the Vines
We continue our celebration of Regenuary with our interview with Nigel Greening, proprietor of Felton Road in Central Otago, New Zealand. Nigel discusses the role of animals in the vines and the winery’s ecosystem. Nigel explains the difference between sheep (which are grazers) versus goats…
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Episode 11: Jordan Lonborg (Viticulturist of Tablas Creek) on Being the First Regenerative Organic Certified Winery
Today, we celebrate #Regenuary with Jordan Lonborg, viticulturist of Tablas Creek. Tablas Creek farms 120 acres of Rhone varieties in Paso Robles, California. They were certified organic in 2003. They have been farming biodynamically since 2010, and received their biodynamic certification in…
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Episode 10: Zach Lawless (Good Goods) on Reusing Glass Wine Bottles
Today, I speak with Zach Lawless, founder of Good Goods, a bottle return program where you bring back your empty wine bottles to participating wine stores in exchange for credits towards future wine purchases. A bottle of wine’s biggest carbon footprint is the manufacturing of the glass bottle.…
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Episode 09: Jasmin Swan (Katla Wines) on PIWIs in the Mosel Valley
Jasmin Swan of Katla Wines, is a new negociant from the “Alt Mosel", a term she coined for the new faces making wines with diverse approaches in the Mosel Valley. Today, I interview Jas about her journey from sommelier in Iceland to winemaker in Germany. Specifically, we chat about the use of...
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Episode 08: Amy Christine MW and Pat Farrell MD, MW on Alcohol and Cancer
Today we will be broaching a subject that might make you uncomfortable--the relationship between alcohol and cancer. The reason for this discussion is personal; I was diagnosed with breast cancer this October. The causes of breast cancer are debated, but it is pretty clear that alcohol does not...
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Episode 07: Alpana Singh on the Court of Master Sommeliers Americas
In an October 2020 New York Times article, Julia Moskin shared accounts of sexual harassment and assault of 21 women at the Court of Master Sommeliers Americas. She wrote a follow up article, where the Chairman of the Court, Devon Broglie, stepped down amidst sexual misconduct allegations of his...
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Episode 06: Mathieu Lapierre on Microscopes in Winemaking
We speak with grower Mathieu Lapierre from Domaine Marcel Lapierre about the use of microscopes to monitor yeasts, bacteria, and other microorganisms during vinification. He also discusses the different methods he uses when issues arise. In the 1960s, Beaujolais négociant, researcher, and father…
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Episode 05: Diana Snowden Seysses (Domaine Dujac) on Carbon Capture and Reuse
Today we speak to winemaker Diana Snowden Seysses about carbon capture and re-use at Domaine Dujac in Burgundy. Carbon is essential for life. There are pure forms of carbon such as diamonds and combined forms such as CO2, which makes up the majority of greenhouse gases —around 80%. Although they...
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Episode 04: Benjamin Bois on Climate Change in Burgundy
We speak to Professor Benjamin Bois from the University of Burgundy about climate change and viticulture. In Burgundy, harvesting in August is the new normal. Indeed, there have been 7 vintages with August harvest dates since 2003. However, some questions remain. How will this warming trend...
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Episode 03: Joel Burt (Las Jaras Wines) on Wildfires and Smoke Taint
We speak with Joel Burt, winemaker of Las Jaras Wines, a project he shares with comedian Eric Wareheim. He discusses how winemakers deal with smoke taint, ash and soot. He worked with interventionist methods in the past while he does minimal intervention winemaking now. We also talk about...
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Episode 02: Jane Lopes and the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Wine Tasting
We speak to sommelier and importer Jane Lopes who, along with her husband, Jonathan Ross have donated a Ruth Bader Ginsburg lot to the Vines 4 Votes online wine auction. This was in honor of the wine and cheese tasting they held for the late Supreme Court Justice’s 83rd birthday in March of 2016....
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Episode 01: Zev Rovine and the Working Contract
We speak to Zev Rovine about his "working contract" with his wineries. It will "address issues such as sexist behavior, racist behavior, labor rights, and responsible stewardship of the land we farm.” This was in response to one of Zev’s Italian producers, Valentina Passalacqua, who was under...
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Episode 00: Ungrafted Trailer
Hi, my name is Icy Liu. Welcome to Ungrafted, a podcast about wine, humanity and the planet. I interview scientists, wine growers, importers and other folks about topics such as regenerative agriculture, carbon footprints, how we treat human beings and so much more.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Ungrafted is a podcast about wine, humanity, and the planet. Join Icy Liu in a series of conversations with scientists, winemakers, and industry professionals who are dedicated to pushing deeper into biodiversity, regenerative agriculture, reducing the carbon footprint of wine, increasing diversity in the wine business and more. Instagram: @ungraftedpodcastWebsite: www.ungraftedpodcast.com
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Icy Liu
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