Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

West Berliner Alexander Hacke and American-born Danielle de Picciotto both have no shortage of their own artistic and musical credits stretching back to the 1980s. While their collaborative paths have intersected over several different projects over the years, hackedepicciotto is the most enduring—with the duo’s 10th album LICHTUNG to be released on the 10th of July via Mute. A beautiful, otherworldly record, layered with electronic and acoustic instrumentation (as well as the pair’s elegantly intertwining voices) there’s plenty about the duo’s latest release to dive into. There’s also time for us to touch on the pair’s experiences of Berlin before, during and after the fall of the wall, why they finally settled down after years of nomadic existence, how they take their music on the road and on stage, Danielle’s writing practice, and a few funny tales featuring Alexander’s time in Einstürzende Neubauten and former Bad Seed Mick Harvey—the three having all worked together in Crime & The City Solution. Photo by Mara von Kummer. Thank you to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media.Order LICHTUNG and check out more from hackedepicciotto on bandcamp.hackedepicciotto website.See hackedepicciotto at silent green Kulturquartier, Gerichtstraße 35, 13347 Berlin, Germany on the 27th of June (info and tickets here) with more upcoming shows listed on the pair’s website. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Double EP (out this Friday on Seismic Wave Entertainment) brings together last year’s Anytime You Make A Place For Them and the previously-unreleased Ok, Let’s Play King (both on vinyl for the first time)—two EPs that showcase the distinctive charms of Milwaukee rock four-piece Resurrectionists. Joe Cannon has been leading the helm since the band’s formation in 2018 and we’re going to go through the history of the band and all its releases together. Well, we already have done, but you’re going to listen to it! I mean, you’ve come this far, so you might as well, eh. We’ll also discuss how Joe ended up heavily featuring in a documentary about the director of two of the band’s music videos, why the clock in Joe’s home never quite reaches midnight and take an unexpected diversion talking philosophy as we both attempt to dust off the mental cobwebs.What more could you possibly want? Answers on a postcard. Thank you to Conan (and Dan). Photo courtesy of Conan Neutron.Order Double EP and check out other Resurrectionists releases here. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

The members of Limerick, Ireland’s sludge metal band TOOMS have been making music together since before TOOMS was even a thing. Having started out together first as Gaia, bassist Anto Donnellan, drummer Kieran Grace and guitarist/vocalist Alex Hölzinger decided in 2017 the time had come to take the music into a new dimension and so TOOMS was born. Following their debut full-length album The Orb Offers Massive Signals in 2020 the existential black hole that was the global Covid pandemic was not strong enough to completely derail the band—with the trio having now released their follow up KARST on Fiadh, Cursed Monk and Road to Masochist. Visit the TOOMS bandcamp page for KARST and all things TOOMS. Follow the band on Instagram.See TOOMS live in Galway and Cellar bar on the 26th of June, supporting Bad Aul Dose with Skellig and Partholón — tickets here. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Bob Bert has been involved in too many projects over the years to squeeze them all into a 40minute interview, but by golly I’ve done my best.We are first of all here to discuss Beach Bongo Bloodbath, his solo debut, out this Friday on Bar/None Records (in the year of the label’s 40th anniversary). On top of discussing this quirky delight of a record we find the time to talk about Lydia Lunch, John Spencer, Sonic Youth, Bewitched, Suicide (the band!!), Boredoms, playing CBGBs during the No Wave years, covering and interviewing Richard Hell, working with Steve Albini and Mark Kramer, interviewing Vincent Gallo for his 90s/early 2000s magazine BB Gun and, actually, even more. And if that doesn’t whet your appetite, then I guess you’re not a Bob Bert enthusiast. If you are, however, please do come this way. And by “this way” I mean watch/listen to this interview. Check out Beach Bongo Bloodbath on bandcamp. And if you’re in New York, you can get tickets for Bob Bert’s Album Release Bash at Bowery Palace on June 15th right here as if by magic. Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf MediaFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Chicago Illinois’ The Claudettes have been through various transformations since their instrumental, two-piece origins of 2013’s Infernal Piano Plot…HATCHED!The most recent evolution has been the introduction of powerhouse singer Rachel Williams, who came in after the band parted ways with previous lead singer Berit Ulseth.Throughout every permutation punk-raised pianist Johnny Iguana has been leading the charge, and with the band’s latest album Garage Glamour (Pravda Records) released tomorrow Johnny joins me as we run through the history of The Claudettes, from their earliest beginnings right the way up to now. Along the way there’s time for us to talk about many musical influences and inspirations, from Bob Mould to Raymond Scott. We talk punk, we talk blues, we talk rock n’ roll and more. It’s all for the love of the music and if ever I felt like my poor, neglected guitar needs to be given some attention, it’s certainly the case after this conversation. Visit The Claudettes for releases, videos, upcoming shows and more. The Claudettes on bandcamp. Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf MediaCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Minneapolis, Minnesota’s Caterwaul celebrates its fifth year this coming weekend (the event being held from Friday 5th - Sunday 7th of June) and co-founder Conan Neutron is here to tell us all about it. What’s more, he’s brought a friend—Rye Coalition vocalist Ralph Cuseglio (whose band headline the Saturday. The event features no shortage of fan favourites from the alternative rock (aaaaagh I hate that term, but I’m using it again!) underground—like Dazzling Killmen, Stress Positions, Didjits and Season to Risk. Too many bands to mention in one intro, so why not just go to the event website HERE for the full lineup? And while you’re at it, you could pre-purchase a ticket. For sure, no one’s throwing about large sums of cash in the DIY underground and events like Caterwaul are a great opportunity to be among likeminded music nerds, watching great bands perform. But don’t just take my word for it. Get the lowdown from Conan and Ralph. There’s even time to talk with Ralph about their major-label trauma that derailed the release of their Curses album (which eventually saw the light of day in 2006). Finally, let’s all send positive energy to Caterwaul co-founder Rainer Fronz who just yesterday underwent a heart transplant. Wishing him a speedy and full recovery. All things Caterwaul.Conan Neutron’s Protonic Reversal interview show.Conan Neutron & The Secret Friends on bandcamp.Rye Coalition on bandcamp. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Twenty-plus years is a long break to have in almost any relationship. But while Nathan Carson and Joshua Blanchard (together known as Point Line Plane) originally called time on the musical project they formed together at the turn of the century back in 2005, the end of Point Line Plane did not mean the end of the friendship. Just as well, because when the stars aligned and SKiN GRAFT Records proposed a remastered reissue of the duo’s eponymous debut, Carson and Blanchard had already been discussing playing shows together again. Fast forward to now and Point Line Plane have played a number of shows in May (several with an also-reformed Dazzling Killmen), with three more dates to come in June (culminating with a performance at the final date of this year’s Caterwaul Fest in Minneapolis). Add to that, the remastered debut is out tomorrow (digitally and on vinyl for the first time). While Point Line Plane received no small amount of attention during their first run, this was at a time before the ubiquity of online representation. Put another way, the impact the band made isn’t reflected online. So let’s do our small bit to right that wrong as Nathan Carson joins me to discuss all things Point Line Plane past, present and future, other musical projects and his agency Nanotear Booking. Buy Point Line Plane from bancamp. Point Line Plane on Instagram.Thanks to Mark at SKiN GRAFT RecordsPhoto by Lucy FurFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Born of D-beat roots and punk spirit, Brazilian duo DEAFKIDS have been fusing noise, percussive rhythms and electronics for over 15 years. This Friday sees the release of the duo’s latest record CICATRIZES DO FUTURO on the great Neurot Recordings (the band’s first non-collaborative full-length release since 2019’s Metaprogramação)Percussionist and bassist Marian Sarine joins me to discuss the duo’s latest album in depth, recordings, instrumentation, live shows, playing abroad and how the worlds of DEAFKIDS and Neurosis first entered each other’s orbits. Photos by Leticia Soto and Maiga BugrimenkoDEAFKIDS and music via Neurot Recordings.CICATRIZES DO FUTURO on bandcamp.Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

The electronic/industrial underground is one of the most intriguing, magickal and mysterious realms in modern music. The mythologies surrounding groups like Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV and Coil are rabbit holes easy to go tumbling down.The late Peter “Sleazy” Christopherson was (more or less) a founding member of all three bands mentioned above. He was also one half of experimental electronic group Soisong. Ivan Pavlov (best known for his enduring CoH project) was the other half of this musical union and on this day of 22.05.26 is releasing a book documenting the project’s history. The book is a fascinating dive into the world of Soisong, including email correspondences between Sleazy and Ivan, interviews, marketing strategies, press releases, photos and other artefacts that chart the life of this project. Complemented by two CDs, the book is being released as a one-time-only edition.Ivan Pavlov joins me to discuss the book and the story of Soisong, as well as sharing tales from his friendship and collaborations with Sleazy and John Balance (Geoff Rushton) from their Coil days. The world of Coil (and its neighbouring constellations) has been a huge source of fascination and inspiration for me since I first discovered the Musick to Play in the Dark albums over 25 years ago. A little while back I had to stop buying every fresh Coil reissue that comes out before it became necessary for me to start selling organs. It was a huge treat and honour to talk with Ivan and I will be poised to buy a copy of the book when it becomes available today. Soisong will be available in a hardcover edition of 222 numbered copies. If you are also keen to get yourself a copy get your trigger finger ready. The book release is scheduled for 22:05 CET tonight (that’s five past nine this evening for people in the UK) when the link to buy will go live. At that time (probably for about 3 minutes before they sell out) you’ll be able to buy a copy from the link here.You can also visit Soisong on bandcamp here and listen to Soisong Broadcast #13 (released on Wednesday to coincide with the release). Huge thanks to Ivan for his time and to Dan at Discipline PR for making this conversation possible. More links to Ivan Pavlov’s work:CoH websiteCoH on facebookCoH on bandcampSoisong on facebookFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Italians Ataraxia are a band (or ensemble of artists, as they sometimes refer to themselves) with a long history. Core members Francesca Nicoli, Vittorio Vandelli and Giovanni Pagliari have been making music together for more than three decades and Sylfaera the Fair (released this Thursday on The Circle Music) is the band’s thirtieth album.The latest record is also the final part of a trilogy that began with 2022’s Pomegranate (The Chant of the Elementals).Drawing from a variety of musical traditions, Ataraxia’s neoclassical dimension can be seen both in their musical style as well as their thematic interests in mythology, literature and ritual. The group can do a better job than I in describing how these different elements come together in the identity of Ataraxia and the lore of the latest record. Just as well then that they’re here to do exactly that as we discuss their history, music, influences and Sylfaera the Fair.Sylfaera the Fair on The Circle MusicAtaraxia website Instagram facebook Thanks to Dom at 3-NationFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

The Visible Heaven (out May 21st on The Circle Music) marks the first new music from Boston-formed, post-punk/gothic-rock band Requiem In White in over 30 years. Following the band’s split in the 90s, singer Lisa Stockton-Wilson and multi-instrumentalist/producer Doc Hammer first continued making music together as Mors Syphilitica before going on to pursue their own separate projects. In 2024 the vinyl reissue of the band’s early material by The Circle Music planted a seed which led to Hammer and Stockton-Wilson working on new material again—the result being The Visible Heaven. Intended as a continuation of where the band left off (as well as being an opportunity to capture a sound the band felt had never been truly represented on record) the forthcoming album lacks nothing in dark, grand power. Hammer and Stockton-Wilson join me to discuss the record, the band’s early years and reminiscences of the late Type O Negative frontman Peter Steele. Lisa Stockton-Wilson photo by LiAnn GrahmThe Visible Heaven via The Circle MusicRequiem In White on bandcampThanks to Dom at 3-NationCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Marked Cards and Loaded Dice is the debut, solo country record of Today Is The Day frontman Steve Austin—which might be a strange sentence to read if you only know Austin through the extreme metal of the band he’s fronted since the early 90s. But the outlaw country and bluegrass influences run deep for Austin. This is the music he grew up with and so while this latest record is quite a departure from Today Is The Day, it represents a musical world close to the songwriter’s heart. With Marked Cards and Loaded Dice being released last Friday on Austin’s own SuperNova Records we discuss the record, the backing band Austin put together, some of his country music inspirations and life away from the big cities. Photos by Hannah AustinMarked Cards and Loaded Dice on bandcampSuperNova RecordsSteve Austin on InstagramThanks to Dave at Earsplit PRCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Earlier this month saw the release of Andros Insidium on 20 Buck Spin, the sixth album by Leila Abdul-Rauf under her own name. Metal fans may know Leila as the singer and guitarist for death-metal group Vastum (the band she has fronted since its formation in 2009), but she has been involved in a number of projects over the years, some very far from the realms of metal. According to Leila people often pigeon-hole her solo output as “ambient” music, but she considers “cinematic” to be a better descriptor. Listening to Andros Insidium this does feel like a more appropriate term—the album being rich in textures and instrumentation. Sometimes the music inhabits a sonic world reminiscent of the otherworldliness of Dead Can Dance, at other times (like on the album’s harrowing title track), the stark piano and vocal presence is more in the lineage of Diamanda Galás. It’s dark, intense and at times harrowing music. Leila joins me to discuss the album, collaborations, mythology, imagery and how creative freedom and financial insecurity go hand-in-hand for independent artists. Photo by Alex ParraAlbum art by Justyna KoziczakAndros Insidium on vinyl and CD from 20 Buck SpinLeila Abdul-Rauf on bandcamp Catch Leila Abdul-Rauf live:May 28 Center for Computer Research in Music & Acoustics (CCRMA) Palo Alto, CA May 30 First Church of the Buzzard Oakland, CALeila Abdul-Rauf on InstagramThanks to Dave at Earsplit PRCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Back in the late 70s Anne Richmond Boston was a part of a then up-and-coming, young new-wave band called The Swimming Pool Q’s—a band that would find a spiritual home alongside contemporaries like fellow Georgians The B-52s and R.E.M.In 2026 Boston is still (bar a few years when she had moved on from the band) playing shows as a member of the band. Indeed The Swimming Pool Q’s have some shows coming up this May, information for which you can get here from their website.But there’s another story to be told here. The story of how Boston set out to record the follow up to her debut solo record The Big House Of Time, only for that album (I Should Be Happy) to remain unfinished and unreleased for more than 30 years on from its original recording sessions. So what happened? That’s what we’re here to discuss (as well as looking back on Boston’s musical upbringing and tales from the early years of The Swimming Pool Q’s). At the time of this conversation Boston was rehearsing with a band to hopefully see songs from I Should Be Happy performed on stage. Hopefully this will come to pass. In the meantime, I highly recommend checking out the album, if you aren’t already familiar with it. It’s an elegant and affecting set of songs dealing with loss and longing and hope. Incidentally, the interview show I refer to during our conversation (but then couldn’t remember the name of) was Into Music.Photo: Jason ThrasherI Should Be Happy on CD, vinyl and digitally on bandcamp. Thanks for Howard at Howlin’ Huelf MediaCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

For the past 10 years Curran Reynolds has been one third of PR group The Chain, alongside Justin Pearson (Deaf Club, 3 One G) and Brandon Gallagher (Trace Amount). As with Justin and Brandon, Curran also makes music—on top of helping to represent artists navigating the music industry in his role at The Chain. This Sunday (April 19th) will see The Chain co-presenting an event to celebrate their 10 years together at Elsewhere in Brooklyn. The event is being co-promoted by Saint Vitus and will feature all three members of the Chain—Justin in the recently reformed Swing Kids, Brandon’s Trace Amount and Curran’s project Body Stuff (amongst other acts).Curran joins me to discuss the forthcoming event, The Chain, Body Stuff, and stories from his time working with Today Is The Day and from his years working as a publicist at Earache Records. Photo: Paul Roura Visit The Chain World for more information about Chain X and links to buy tickets. Body Stuff on bandcampCurran and Body Stuff on InstagramCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Osaka, Japan’s HYPER GAL are vocalist Koharu Ishida and drummer Kurumi Kadoya. The two have been making music together since 2019 and this Friday sees the release of their latest record together Our Hyper. As with the duo’s previous albums, Pure and After Image, Our Hyper will be released on SKiN GRAFT Records—with the album on vinyl and CD (as well as digitally) and with special editions of the release also available. I’ve been thoroughly enjoying listening to an advance stream of the record, which sees the pair evolve their distinctive sound—which combines intense noise bombardments with shoegaze and pop aspects. For anyone able to attend one of the duo’s upcoming shows in Europe (the pair’s second planned tour in Europe as HYPER GAL) you could even pick up a copy of the album in person. This interview is a little different to past interviews on this podcast as Koharu and Kurumi were joined by friend Ai who helped to translate between my English questions and their Japanese answers. Thank you to Ai and thank you to Mark at SKiN GRAFT Records for helping to set this interview up. And if you’re wondering why we’re all laughing at the start of the interview. Well, I realised just as they were starting to answer my first question that I hadn’t pressed record! Good thing I figured that out before we were halfway through. Buy Our Hyper here. HYPER GAL on Instagram. Cover art by Akina TokiyoshiPhotos by Yurika Rokkon Design by Mark FischerCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Since the mid-80s, Jarboe has been an important figure in the musical underground. While many will have first come to know her through her mesmerising performances as a member of Swans from 1985 to the band’s initial breakup in 1997, Jarboe has now been releasing music under her own name for roughly 35 years.1991’s Thirteen Masks showcased her versatility as a singer and songwriter and with each successive release Jarboe has continued to explore the possibilities of compositional architecture. From the harrowing intensity of 1998’s Anhedoniac, to the drone-metal-infused Mahakali ten years later, to the beautiful and highly atmospheric Illusory from 2020, Jarboe’s next musical step can never be predicted. Sightings (released this Friday on Consouling Sounds) builds from an experience Jarboe had several years ago where a particular vireo bird appeared in her garden every day for a whole summer, seemingly performing directly for her. Recordings of this bird’s versatile song became the foundation for the album’s centrepiece “Vireo Serenade”. Once the idea of Sightings was born, Jarboe brought in several friends and collaborators, (including Thor Harris and Father Murphy’s Freddie Murphy and Chiara Lee) to help create an album that once again explores new musical terrain, while continuing to signpost her enduring Buddhist meditative practices. Jarboe joins me to discuss the album, nature, danger, creativity and how she navigates the music business as a DIY artist who has never courted mainstream attention. Visit The Living JarboePre-order Sightings from Consouling SoundsThanks to Dom at 3-Nation Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Writing a novel and writing a song are two quite different prospects. Dan Hornsby—author of Sucker and Via Negativa, as well as fronting indie-rock group True Green—is pretty well-versed in both. On this very day True Green release their second album HAIL DISASTER on Spacecase Records and Dan joins me to discuss his music, his writing and some of the stories that make their way into his art. In amongst discussions of the late Steve Irwin, Lou Reed and The Cleaners from Venus we even find ourselves discussing the late purple one, Prince. And I’m always game for a chat about Prince. True Green will be playing shows in North America in the end of May. You can get further information on all upcoming shows from the links below. Daniel Hornsby online, for all writing and music-related content. InstagramTrue Green on bandcamp. HAIL DISASTER on vinyl from Spacecase Records.Thanks to Joe at Stereo Junk PRCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Though post-punk unit Black Beach was officially born in 2012, Steve Instasi, bassist Ben Semeta and drummer Ryan Nicholson had already been playing together under different names. In fact, Ben and Steve have been playing together in various bands since Steve was 12. So Mail Thief (out this Friday on Best Brother Records) is certainly far from the trio’s first rodeo. But while the band already have several releases under their belts, Mail Thief is Black Beach’s first collaboration with a label (thanks to the band linking up with Best Brother Records). With Mail Thief channelling strains of The Birthday Party, as well as longstanding inspirations like The Fall and The Stooges, Steve joins me to discuss the record, how the band’s sound has evolved over the years and tales from many years of performing and touring. And on the topic of tours, Black Beach will be playing along the East Coast of the US from the 1st of April, preceded by an album-release show on Saturday the 21st of March at Deep Cuts, Medford, MA (supported by Pinklids, Nice Guys and Dinos). Incidentally, on the 4th of April, Black Beach will be sharing a stage with Luna Honey, whose Maura Pond appeared on this podcast all the way back on episode 47—if you haven’t already given that interview a whirl, the might like to do so. She’s great and they’re great. For all Black Beach links and to listen to and pre-order Mail Thief click here. Check out the Best Brother Records catalogue here. Thanks to Joe at Stereo Junk PRCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Currently residing in Berlin, US-born Claire Dickson is no stranger to having the inspiration of a new environment seep its way into her music. While her debut, solo-record Starland was intriguingly, “Created on a boat in the Arctic Circle and her apartment in Brooklyn,” (where she lived at that time), Balance was born entirely out of the land. With her latest record released today (on New Amsterdam Records), Claire joins me to discuss her music, her singing background, why she moved to Berlin (and stayed) and how she found herself in the Artic Circle. For music, videos, live dates and more, visit Claire Dickson’s website. Claire Dickson on bandcamp. New Amsterdam Records. Thanks to Jan at New Amsterdam Records. Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Songwriter, performer, producer, sitcom-theme-tune writer, radio host, Ben Vaughn has many strings to his bow from decades working in the arts and entertainment world. Since January of this year, ‘podcast host’ can now be added to the list, as Vaughn (alongside co-host Laura Pochodylo) present “Straight From The Hat With Ben Vaughn”. On each episode of the show Pochodylo (a manager at Sun Records in Nashville) draws out names at random from a hat. Every name has some connection to Vaughn from his years in music and TV and so the stories spontaneously follow. Five episodes have been aired so far, featuring stories of Vaughn playing with Lynyrd Skynyrd, how he ended up writing music for Third Rock From The Sun and (in the most recently aired episode) his role as producer on the Ween record 12 Golden Country Greats.For sure I wasn’t going to miss the chance to get more entertaining Ween-related stories out of Vaughn, but just like with his podcast there was no shortage of topics to dive into and insights to gain from his years in the music business and beyond. Click here for links to Straight From The HatCheck out Ben Vaughn’s website (including links to his music)Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf MediaCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

In 2012 Chloë Lum, Yannick Desranleau and Alex Moskos played their last shows together as AIDS Wolf. They took their gear down to La Brique studios in Montréal and with engineer Sébastien Fournier recorded their final four tracks together as AIDS Wolf. Fast forward 14 years and those tracks are finally seeing the light of day as Harsh Human Style, released this Friday on SKiN GRAFT Records. Why the long wait? Well, conveniently Yannick, Alex and Chloë all join me to discuss just that. Well, not just that. We go through various history of the band, all the way back to the start. Their releases, the reception to their name, touring trials and tribulations in North America, their influences, contemporaries and friends past and present. The only letdown to proceedings was my interface crapping the bed just before the interview started. But you can’t have everything, can you? Huge thanks to Alex, Chloë and Yannick for their time and to Mark Fischer once again for setting me up to talk with such cool people. Pre-order Harsh Human Style on CD or digitally from bandcamp — and check out their back catalogue there while you’re at it. Check out Alex’s Drainolith project on bandcamp. Check out Chloë and Yannick’s The Garden of a Former House Turned Museum on bandcamp. SKiN GRAFT Records on bandcamp. Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Blunt Knife Castration is an extreme-metal project born out of a fascination with 70s/80s horror movies, a botched surgery and the shadow of the Covid pandemic.Blood & Oil, released this Friday on Remorseless Records is the third release from Simon Bryant under the Blunt Knife Castration name—Simon handling all the playing and recording, with the project being a solo venture up till now. Currently Simon is in the midst of rehearsing with two newly-recruited members, the intention being to take Blunt Knife Castration onto stages in Simon’s local Kent in England and hopefully beyond. With the dirty, noisy, overdriven spirit of sludge-metal icons Eyehategod a musical reference point since 2024 demo Chewed Up And Spat Out, Blood & Oil sees Blunt Knife Castration continue to evolve as Simon channels a more introspective, inner darkness. Simon joins me to discuss the latest record, the project’s origins, his years away from heavy music and plans for the future. Closing track: “Guilt Pig” (Remorseless Records, 2026)Check out Blunt Knife Castration on bandcampThanks to Kyle at Good Boy PRVisit Remorseless RecordsCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

First rising to prominence in underground circles with neo-no-wave group Arab On Radar in the mid-90s, guitarist Steve Mattos has been involved in a number of notable musical projects over the past three decades. Most recently Steve has been making music as part of THERE, a psychedelic, noise-rock four-piece based in Providence, Rhode Island, where Steve was born. Also featuring former members of notable Rhode Island groups like Daughters and The Chinese Stars, THERE recently released their debut, self-titled album on Psychic Static. Steve joins me to discuss the band, the album, growing up in Rhode Island, the influence of jazz throughout his career and the infamous first Arab On Radar show opening for Marilyn Manson in the mid-90s. Closing track: “Disposable Head” (Psychic Static, 2026)Check out THERE on bandcampThanks to J at Psychic StaticVisit Psychic StaticCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

2026 marks the five-year anniversary of Discipline PR, the agency founded by former Ohm Resistance head of PR, Dan Volohov. Catering to musicians and bands across all genres, Dan and Discipline PR have been serving the underground, DIY music world with heart, enthusiasm and creativity since their inception in 2021.With Dan being so embedded in the musical underground it should be no surprise that Discipline PR has had a hand in many of the projects that have been highlighted on this here podcast Whatever Comes Next. Dan in fact helped set up my conversation with Peter Stahl of Scream for the very first ever episode of WCN. As with my conversations with Dave Brenner of Earsplit PR (Episode 100: DIY Special), Clément Duboscq of Vous Connaissez ? PR (Episode 104) and Howard Wuelfing of Howlin’ Wuelf Media (Episode 118) I was delighted to get a chance to pick Dan’s brain on a bunch of music topics as he sees them from his position in PR. It’s a great pleasure for me, both to get insights from people behind the scenes who’ve been great supporters of my own DIY music investigations, but also just to get to chat in real time to people I’m so often firing emails back and forth with. Featuring tales of Keith Levene (of PiL), Touch & Go Records, Mick Harris (of Napalm Death and Scorn) and plenty more.Closing track: “Fixer (with Megan Osztrosits of COUCH SLUT) (SKiN GRAFT Records/ Overdrive, 2024)Agency website: Discipline PRCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Luxury Skin is a musical creation both beautiful and dissonant, elegant and ominous. Last week saw the release of “Die Waiting”, the latest Luxury Skin single and a teaser for the as-yet unnamed follow-up to debut album It’s All Over from 2023. Juliet E. Gordon is the creator of this musical world and she joins me to discuss Luxury Skin and her former band The Classical, and share her insights on writing, recording, touring and the meaning behind some of her songs. Closing track: “Die Waiting” (2026)For all links: luxuryskin.xyzLuxury Skin on bandcampJuliet’s blog on substack: Ask LuxuryCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Jack Carino, Jillian Keats, Adam Kaniper, and Kevin Henson are no novices to the musical underground—having all been involved in various different projects. Together as Stress Spells the four create an intense, anxiety-inducing barrage of slicing, interweaving guitars, jerking grooves and impassioned vocals. Hearts Never Tire is the band’s debut full-length and will be released digitally and on vinyl through Fuzz Records on the 6th of February. Jack, Jill, Adam and Kevin join me to discuss the record, their influences and inspirations and how to pick which battles to fight. Closing track: “Too Little Too Late” (2026)Buy Hearts Never Tire on vinyl or digitally on bandcamp. Thanks to Justin at The Chain. Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Never one for rushing his music, Robert Deeble’s latest record The Space Between Us follows up his last full length record Beloved from 2017. A lot has happened in the world since then. In his thoughtful, lyrical way Deeble reflects on the state of the world around him and its impact on human relationships. The Space Between Us is also a record that continues Deeble’s fascination with pulling from literary sources to construct his delicately beautiful songs. In this conversation we discuss Deeble’s music, its various influences, his collaborators and the importance of community.Closing track: “Orphan Song” (2025)Buy The Space Between Us on vinyl or CD on bandcamp—digital copies and streams available from the 6th of February. Photo by Michael WilsonCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Back in September 2025, with the help of Dave Brenner of Earsplit PR, I put together a special 100th episode of Whatever Comes Next with eight different guests (including Dave). For this episode, I wanted to dedicate more of the time with my guests to getting their takes and insights on the music business—as it is for independent artists (whether from the position of touring and recording artists, producers, label owners or publicists).As a little extra, I thought it would be fun to ask each of my guests to tell me about some musical experience that changed their lives. Whether it was Dave Brenner having his mind blown at a Neurosis show in the 90s, or Steve Austin of Today Is The Day pretty much fleeing town after being so unnerved by a Jesus Lizard show, I got some great, entertaining stories. Hopefully you’ll feel the same. Check out Dave Brenner’s latest album as Gridfailure Visit Nefarious Industries for all their latest releasesCheck out the latest Today Is The Day recordCheck out Urlo’s latest record as THE MONVisit Malleus for all their work and forthcoming Tarot Kickstarter projectVisit Black Matter MasteringVisit Exile On MainstreamIntro: 00:00Dave Brenner (Earsplit PR/ Gridfailure): 03:17Greg Meisenberg (Nefarious Industries): 14:28Steve Austin (Today Is The Day): 19:33Lu, Urlo, Poia (Malleus/ Supernatural Cat/ Ufomammut): 34:22Dan Emery (Black Matter Mastering): 40:29Andreas Kohl (Exile On Mainstream): 44:05 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Howard Wuelfing started making music, and writing about it in the 70s, first in New Jersey and subsequently Washington D.C. where he found himself in the midst of the burgeoning local underground scene of that time.Descenes and Discords: An Anthology (out now on DiWulf Publishing) presents complete facsimiles of two important fanzines that Wuelfing edited and wrote for during this key time in U.S. DIY music history—including reviews, live reports, interviews and letters and early coverage of bands like Bad Brains and Mission of Burma.In this conversation we discuss the story of both fanzines and Wuelfing’s place in the D.C. underground of the time—the bands, the writers and the community—his subsequent move into music PR and his thoughts on DIY music making today.Closing track: Underheaven “Adding Up To Nothing” (2023)Buy ⁠Descenes and Discords: An Anthology⁠ from DiWulf PublishingHoward Wuelfing on ⁠bandcamp⁠Underheaven on ⁠facebook⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

The anonymous, Parisian duo of Void and Moon have been making wildly-creative, unclassifiable music together since 2021, though the history of the project goes back some years earlier. Over the past four years or so the duo have been remarkably prolific, putting out a series of releases as Non Serviam, Hiverlucide, Biollante and Néant—collaborating with various other artists along the way and blending electro, noise, black metal, sludge, goth rock and industrial music into their own particular musical concoctions. With the pair working on various releases to be completed in the new year I caught up Void and Moon to talk about their music, their politics, live performances and what’s coming in 2026. Follow Non Serviam on ⁠bandcamp⁠ for all their music and related projects and links to their videos on YouTube and other platforms.Closing track: “Biollante” (Trepanation Recordings, 2022)Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Around five years ago multi-instrumentalist Jason Roberts started Breaths—a solo project that incorporates various styles and elements and can dramatically shift in sound from one release to the next.Keeping things simple, Jason refers to what he creates as “heavy music”, but listeners may hear traces of Deftones, Cult of Luna, desert rock and nu metal (just as a few examples).Violescent, the latest album by Breaths (out today on Fiadh Productions) was originally intended as the debut release of a band by the same name (Jason joined by drummer Wren and bassist Ski), before the project ultimately transformed into the latest Breaths release.Jason joins me to discuss the record, his musical history, why (for now) he’s done with touring and the impact of technology on the music world today.Closing track: “The Worm” (Fiadh Productions, 2025)Thanks to Bariann at FiadhBuy Violescent on ⁠cassette⁠Buy Violescent on ⁠vinyl and CD ⁠Follow Breaths on ⁠Instagram⁠Follow Breaths on ⁠facebook⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Most well known as the long-standing bass player for grindcore pioneers Napalm Death, Shane Embury is a prolific artist whose fascination with experimental and underground music transcends any genre pigeonholing.Dark Sky Burial is a project Embury brought into being during the years of the Covid pandemic and one musically inspired by atmospheric, electronic acts like Coil and Dead Can Dance.Running parallel to Embury’s recent music-making under the Dark Sky Burial name, the musician has been investigating the inner self through a practice of Jungian individuation, making this musical project a deeply personal one of self as well as musical discovery.The Sacred Neurotic, the latest Dark Sky Burial album, will be released this coming Friday on Consouling Sounds. In this conversation we discuss the album, the project, the state of the music business for underground artists and Embury shares stories of his time in Napalm Death and his long-standing love and affection for Cardiacs, a band perhaps equally significant and beloved in the UK underground of the past 50 years as Napalm Death is.Closing track: “Smother” (Consouling Sounds, 2025)Thanks to Dan at Discipline PR⁠Buy The Sacred Neurotic⁠⁠Follow Dark Sky Burial⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Today marks the release of Wyrmoon II the second full-length album by Maine black metal group Wyrmoon. The band’s vocalist, guitarist, songwriter and founder Guinevere Sylvain joins me to discuss the record, songwriting, the band’s origins, stories from the road and music in the digital age. Closing track: “Sickle Knife Devotion” (Fiadh Productions, 2025) Thanks to Bariann at Fiadh Buy Wyrmoon II on ⁠vinyl⁠ ⁠/ Cassette⁠ ⁠Follow Wyrmoon⁠ Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

The story of The Balboas stretches back across several decades. It’s a story that intertwines with surf-guitar legend Dick Dale—while on the band’s latest record, Bite! Blood! Repeat! (out this Friday on Burn N’ Surf Records), the groups spiritual bond with the movies of Quentin Tarantino is even more firmly cemented with the feature of The 5678s (who appeared in Kill Bill). This latest record features many other notable collaborations, including Mike Watt and Paul Roessler.Rich Griffith joins me to discuss the record, the band’s history, surfing, punk music, touring and what it means to be a Balboa. Closing track: “Bury It With You” (Burn N’ Surf Records, 2025) Photo: Suzanne ClementsThanks to Dan at Discipline PRBuy the album Music, links and press at The BalboasSupport the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Italian duo Bruno Dorella and Stefania Pedretti have been making avant-garde electro-rock music together as OvO for twenty five years. The electro-industrial Gemma is the pair’s latest album (out now on Artoffact Records).Bruno and Stefania join me to discuss the record, magic, ritual, growing up in Italy, their time living and performing in squats and their thoughts on the digital age in music.Closing track: “Opale” feat. Lord Spokeheart (Artoffact Records, 2025)Photo by Annapaola MartinThanks for Curran at The Chain⁠Buy the album⁠Follow OvO on ⁠facebook⁠⁠Instagram⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Dark, instrumental, jazz-rock duo Mellowdeath are Sara Neidorf and Isabel Merten.Sara and Isabel join me to discuss their debut, self-titled album (out now on Cruel Nature Records), the origins of the band, the visuals and artwork, playing live, the realities of touring and their plans for 2026.Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PRAlbum art by Chloe GroveBuy the album:⁠digital⁠⁠cassette⁠Follow Mellowdeath on ⁠Instagram⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

In 1979 singer Jeff Buck­land, rhythm guitarist Bill Dickson, bassist John Hannah, lead guitarist Tom Milmore, and drummer Jerid O’Connell entered a recording studio for a session overseen by Ed Stasium (producer and engineer for bands like Talking Heads and Motörhead) and recorded a great set of rock n’ roll songs. Surely fame and fortune was right around the corner? Except that recording session never saw the light of day, until a few weeks ago when 1979 Sire Session was finally released to the public thanks to Left For Dead Records.So what happened in the time between? What became of Rousers and the various members? Why did this recording remain unheard for all these years? These questions I explore with guitarist and songwriter Bill Dickson as we discuss the Rousers story, his own musical journey and how 1979 Sire Session finally gets an opportunity to reach the audience it always deserved to have. Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media. ⁠Check out 1979 Sire Session⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Having been a member of iconic post-punk and industrial bands like PiL, Killing Joke and Pigface, while also playing for NIN and Ministry (just to mention a few notable names), it wouldn’t be hyperbole to call Martin Atkins a living legend of underground music... so let’s do that. This November 28th and 29th will see Reggies, Chicago host ‘Martin Atkins Presents: Killing Joke’s Extremities’ where the drummer and a stellar cast from the musical underground (including Randy Blythe, Justin Pearson and Mark Gemini Thwaite) will perform ‘Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions’, the album Atkins made while a member of the band and one of Killing Joke’s most brutal and eviscerating albums. Some weeks ago I interviewed Atkins via email for ⁠New Noise Magazine⁠ to get his insights on the event and his time in Killing Joke. This episode of Whatever Comes Next is my second opportunity to talk with Atkins and the first in real time. And oh, what a music nerd’s delight it was. Having opened The Museum of Post Punk & Industrial Music in 2021 and being no stranger to guided tours and speaking events, Atkins is a treasure trove of stories and insights. Given such an opportunity to chat with the man you just have to decide which roads you want to go down. Our conversation took in the forthcoming event, what it’s like managing bands, early years working with Trent Reznor, the story of Andy Rourke of The Smiths’ brief time in Killing Joke, working with Steve Albini, as well as some fascinating insights from Atkins regarding touring and the music business. Thank you to Justin Pearson and Rebecca Mendenhall for making this interview possible. Closing track: “Point Blank” Pigface (Invisible 1990 / Cleopatra 2023) For ⁠all things Martin Atkins⁠ and The Museum of Post Punk & Industrial Music ⁠Tickets for Martin Atkins Presents: Extremities⁠ (including livestream)Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

I’ve been an avid follower of all things Veilburner ever since I first became aware of the extreme-metal duo around the time of their 2019 release A Sire to the Ghouls of Lunacy.That was album number four and now as Mephisto Deleterio and Chrisom Infernium (or Dave and Chris as they are without the masks) join me for the second time on Whatever Comes Next (the first time being episode 42) we are just a few days away from the release of their eighth album, Longing for Triumph, Reeking of Tragedy (out this Friday on Transcending Obscurity Records).Join us as Dave and Chris reveal details of the making of the record, Dave’s guitar approach, Chris’ lyrics and album concepts, the duo’s costumes and masks, their album art (courtesy of Luciana Nedelea) and plenty more besides (with an even more extensive version of our conversation on Patreon).Closing track: “Matter o’ the Most Awful of Martyrs” (Transcending Obscurity Records, 2025)For all things Veilburner and links to their music: ⁠facebook⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠Transcending Obscurity store⁠⁠Veilburner on bandcamp⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Ailise Blake makes music that’s hard to categorise, but grabbed me from the moment I put on her latest record Soave (out this Friday on These Hands Melt).Interconnected with her practices in ceremonial magick, Soave is a highly evocative and atmospheric record, built around voice and guitar, but filled with a range of other instrumentation, to dark, dreamy and beguiling effect.Ali and I discuss the unique circumstances and setting that the album was created in, magick, inspiration, touring and the importance of the visual side of art.Thanks to Dom at 3nationClosing track: “CONSECRATION” (These Hands Melt, 2025)⁠Follow Ailise Blake⁠Buy Soave from ⁠These Hands Melt⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

THE MON is the solo project of Urlo—bassist, vocalist and synth player of heavy psychedelic rock band Ufomammut, as well as being a core part of Supernatural Cat and Malleus. Songs of Abandon (out on the 7th of November on Supernatural Cat and the first in a two part concept to be followed by Songs of Embrace in 2026) is the latest record from THE MON and one with an unusual story—as well as being uniquely acoustic-guitar driven compared to Urlo’s other releases (both as THE MON and with Ufomammut). Urlo and I discuss the background of the album, the writing, recording and the production. We talk about some of the album’s inspirations like Black Sabbath and Syd Barrett and we consider what makes music heavy and the ineffable qualities of Nirvana, Kyuss and Led Zeppelin. Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR Photos by Anna Bechis Closing track: “Mayhem” (Supernatural Cat, 2025) Follow ⁠THE MON⁠ Buy Songs of Abandon from ⁠Supernatural Cat⁠ ⁠Malleus⁠ Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠Patreon⁠ Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠ Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Since forming the band in the early 90s guitarist Chris Pervelis has remained consistent in his vision for the hard-hitting death metal unit Internal Bleeding. Through the years the band have had creative highs, numerous line-up changes, and survived tragedy and shady business dealings. Out of all of this comes the band’s latest record Settle All Scores (out now on Maggot Stomp) with Internal Bleeding sounding as fresh, fired-up and visceral as ever. Chris joins me to discuss the record, his musical origins, some of the band’s history and stories and share his insights from decades working in and out of the music business. Closing track: Empire of Terror (Featuring Joe Marchese) Photo: Paul McNeillThanks to Dave at Earsplit PR ⁠Buy Settle All Scores ⁠ ⁠Follow Internal Bleeding⁠ Support the podcast and extra features at ⁠Patreon⁠ ⁠My music⁠ Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Five years ago life-long music devotee Clément Duboscq decided to take some of his experience as a music writer and musician and start his own micro-agency Vous Connaissez ? PR, representing bands and artists in France and further afield.Not so long after Clément’s move into music PR, he and I worked together on the Non Serviam/ Gobscrew collaboration Biollante and their album ⁠J’Espère Que Tu Danseras Quelque Part ⁠Clément continues to represent a range of artists across the musical underground, (including a number of previous collaborations with ⁠Pelagic Records⁠), several of which have guested on this podcast—most recently ⁠ii [Two Eyes]⁠.Together we discuss Clément’s musical roots, the history of Vous Connaissez ? PR and various insights from the world of music PR.Closing track: “Among The Mourners” from ⁠Life Is by LOONS⁠ (released November 28 on Howlin Banana/Head Records/Les Disques du Paradis)Follow Vous Connaissez ? PR:⁠facebook⁠⁠Instagram⁠Support the podcast and extra features at ⁠Patreon ⁠My music on ⁠my website ⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Gridfailure is Dave Brenner, but just as it’s hard to put a simple genre tag on this music that combines noise, jazz, folk and numerous other elements, the creative inputs that feed one Gridfailure release or another can be manifold. On the project’s latest release Sixth Mass-Extinction Skulduggery III (out now on Nefarious Industries) Brenner brings in a host of collaborators, including Today Is The Day’s Steve Austin, Leila Abdul-Rauf, Mac Gollehon, Greg Meisenberg and many others. Dave and I discuss the album in detail, the origins of Gridfailure and why the record and Today Is The Day’s new record Never Give In are so closely linked. Sixth Mass-Extinction Skulduggery III on bandcampGridfailure on Nefarious IndustriesFollow Gridfailure on Instagram, facebook, TwitterSupport the podcast and extra features at PatreonMy musicPodcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

At it’s core -ii- [Two Eyes] is Hélène Ruzic and Benjamin Racine. Since 2018 the duo have been crafting their unique, dark blend of industrial, shoegaze, alternative, ritualistic music.Complemented on their latest album Apostles of the Flesh by Maxime Keller (bass, synths, prepared piano) and David L’Huillier (drums, percussions), Hélène and Benjamin join me to discuss the album, their music, their visual inspirations and the state of the music business for independent artists in France today.Photos: Benjamin RacineBuy Apostles of the Flesh on bandcampFollow -ii- on InstagramSee -ii- live in 2025:- 17.10 : @luxembourg_tattoo_convention - Luxembourg LU- 23.10 : @lautrecanalnancy - Nancy w. @bruit_official et @alcestofficial )- 26.10 : @lescitronsmasques - Yverdon-les-Bains CH- 27.10 : @brindezinc - Barberaz- 31.10 : TBA - Nancy (duo)Thanks to Clément at Vous ConnaissezSupport the podcast and get extra features at PatreonGo to my website for all my musicPodcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

What is Yowie? The simple answer is that they’re an instrumental three-piece of drums and two guitars. Once you start trying to describe the music however, this is where the fun starts. My characterisation of listening to Taking Umbrage (the band’s new album, out today on SKiN GRAFT Records) is that it’s like the world has turned into Play-Doh and it’s swirling in a whirlpool that’s being fed through a meat grinder. Perhaps it’s best we turn to drummer and founding member Shawn “Defenestrator” guitarist Daniel “The Quidnunk” (who alongside guitarist Jack “Oakie Doke” currently complete the lineup) for a more sensible explanation of the band’s sound, how they construct their music and how the Yowie sound has evolved over the years. Oh, well how about that! Shawn and Daniel are right here to do just that, so let’s find out what they have to say. We also discuss the gorgeous artwork of Taking Umbrage, created by Arnulf Roedler, with the album available to buy right now from the link below. ⁠Taking Umbrage on bandcamp⁠ ⁠Yowie on facebook ⁠ ⁠Yowie on Instagram⁠ Catch Yowie on tour in Europe: Wed.22.10.25 BE BRUSSELS - Magasin 4 Thu.23.10.25 FR - LILLE Centre Culturel Libertaire Fri.24.10.25 UK LONDON - Strongroom Sat.25.10.25 FR AMIENS - Accueil froid Sun.26.10.25 FR PARIS La cantine de Belleville Mon.27.10.25 OFF Tue.28.10.25 DK COPENHAGEN - Rahuset Wed.29.10.25 DE HAMBURG - Hafenklang Thu.30.10.25 DE BERLIN - K19 Fri.31.10.25 PL GDANSK - Klub Zak Sat.1.11.25 PL WOLOW - Nowa Forma Club Sun.2.11.25 CZ PRAGUE - Cafe V Lese Mon.3.11.25 CZ České Budějovice - Žižkárna Tue.4.11.25 OFF Wed.5.11.25 CH GENEVE - La Cave Thu.6.11.25 FR LYON - Les Capucins Fri.7.11.25 FR BESANCON - Les Passagers Du Zinc Sat.8.11.25 BE KORTRIJK - Sonic City FestivalSupport the show and get bonus content ⁠at Patreon⁠ Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠ Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

For episode 100 of Whatever Comes Next I wanted to do something special and thanks to Dave Brenner at Earsplit PR I was able to put this multi-interview episode discussion of DIY music together.My guests have decades of experience in the musical underground in pretty much any dimension of getting music out there you can imagine.I talk in turn with Dave Brenner (Earsplit PR/ Gridfailure), Greg Meisenberg (Nefarious Industries / A F*****g Elephant), Steve Austin (Today Is The Day / Supernova Records), Urlo, Lu & Poia (Malleus / Supernatural Cat / Ufomammut), Dan Emery (Black Matter Mastering / Thetan) and Andreas Kohl (Exile On Mainstream Records).What does DIY mean to them? How is the landscape for people in the musical underground now? What can we expect in the future?Thanks to all my guests for taking part.⁠Earsplit PR⁠⁠Gridfailure (new album) ⁠⁠Nefarious Industries ⁠⁠Today Is The Day (new album) ⁠⁠Malleus⁠⁠Supernatural Cat ⁠⁠Black Matter Mastering⁠⁠Exile On Mainstream Records ⁠To support the show and get bonus content sign up on Patreon Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder ⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Pain Magazine brings together the two musical worlds of industrial-techno duo Maelstrom & Louisahhh and post-hardcore three-piece Birds In Row. Violent God (out on the 3rd of October on Humus Records) is the musical child birthed of this dark union. As lyrically violent and menacing as the music is, Violent God has its moments of not exactly light, but a certain sonic respite that glimmers as shards amongst malevolent, industrial beats, jagged, icy guitars and electronic textures that by turns envelope the listener or sound the alarm.But for all the sonic intensity of the music, Louisa Pillot and Bart Balboa (two fifths of Pain Magazine) make for charming and eloquent guests, as we delve into the creation of Violent God, as well as dissecting the violence of capitalism and the struggles of independent artists navigating their way between the jaws of the machine.Cover photo: Mae Ferron Photo 2: Jodie RoszakCheck out ⁠Violent God on bandcamp⁠⁠Pain Magazine on Humus Records⁠⁠Pain Magazine on Instagram⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder ⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: "Detachment" by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Multi-instrumentalist Chris Grigg has been involved in numerous musical projects over the past 20 years. Back in 2007 Chris started black-metal project Woe—first solo, before expanding to a full band.With Woe most recently releasing their fifth full-length, Legacies of Frailty, in 2023, Chris has also found time to feature as the drummer for death-metal group Glorious Depravity (the band soon to be releasing their second album, Death Never Sleeps, on Transcending Obscurity Records.)And if that's not enough, in recent times Chris applied his skills from his day job as a programmer to create the independent music platform Ampwall.Chris joins me to discuss some of the history of Woe, from its inception, through his experiences working with Candlelight and the long process of getting the rights back to his music. We also discuss the (double) sale of bandcamp and Chris' determination to create a truly independent alternative in Ampwall.Check out⁠ Woe on Ampwall⁠Check out ⁠Glorious Depravity and their forthcoming album⁠Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/Intro music: "Detachment" by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com