While Waiting For Paint To Dry

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:If there is still a point to making artWhat value painting can bring to a world dominated by AIWhy narratives are important to artWhy some time periods are better for taking time to look at art than othersHow COVID marks the end of the American RenaissanceThe theme of Art in 2026: EscapismIf we are on the cusp of the death of humanity, then that means today marks the full potential of humanityThe theme of art in 2026: Identity PoliticsIs society always exploring the most important thing?The purpose of pursuing art for the sake of self-actualizationEscaping into art as a way to cope in times of uncertaintyDoes culture shape art or does art shape culture?Michael reflects on the current state of his painting practiceUsing drugs to make art______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke.art⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl⁠⁠Listen on YouTube/Spotify/Apple Podcast:⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@WhileWaitingForPaintToDry?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/7lq6750clP1nqxpmavg23X?si=618dad132aa74af3⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/while-waiting-for-paint-to-dry/id1851928489

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- What Integrating with AI Means for the Future of Humanity- The role of college universities in an AI world- Are there ethical ways that companies can integrate AI into their work environment?- Is it possible for people to collectively boycott AI?- Will AI lead to human flourishing?- What value can humans provide when AI can do everything?- If I believe that AI is evil, and I believe that evil always loses, does that mean I shouldn’t buy AI stocks?- The recent end of Human History, and the near end of Human Evolution - 8 Hitlers- Fat Americans on floating couches- Wall-E is coming- Why it’s bad that we don’t mind that we are captured by iPhones______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke.art⁠Michael: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl⁠Listen on YouTube/Spotify/Apple Podcast:⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@WhileWaitingForPaintToDry?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/7lq6750clP1nqxpmavg23X?si=618dad132aa74af3⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/while-waiting-for-paint-to-dry/id1851928489

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- the man working at the conveyer belt of words in Michael’s mind- listening for the Good Coach- why you should get a job that you hate- why you shouldn’t get to know your neighbors- the consequences of iPhones interrupting the continuity of our perception of reality______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke.artMichael: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrslListen on YouTube/Spotify/Apple Podcast:⁠https://www.youtube.com/@WhileWaitingForPaintToDry?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/7lq6750clP1nqxpmavg23X?si=618dad132aa74af3⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/while-waiting-for-paint-to-dry/id1851928489

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- building a brand- their creative tendencies- why the world needs diversity of thought- artist's discontentment- how we should shape the world______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- how to manage the demands of being an artist in the modern age- the point of going to museums- stress testing your ideas through discourse- closed-minded people- optimizing for the online world______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- integrating/shedding influences- divine clarity- communion with something outside of yourself- the role of intelligence in art- cultivating a garden______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- an idea for an intentionally boring college lecture- the difference between academics and artists- an ethical approach to designing architecture in the modern day- why it’s necessary for an artist to be dissatisfied- how stories are an effective way to communicate information______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- social contagion- various conspiracy theories- the influence of technological progress on the trajectory of society______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- an organism of many humans- are we living in the future or an ancient time?- engineering human evolution- the LeBron James of Life- the most ‘Human’ painting i’ve ever seen- letting God cook- what to do if you’re a doomsday-er- nobody told me what to do- why you shouldn’t commit a sin for instant gratification- fall in with the right crowd______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- WFH personalities- the engine and the steering wheel- is this ‘me’? / is this ‘good’?- harmonizers and disrupters- what’s the best way to use my time?- where a Generalist belongs- networking on anti-social media- our growing dissatisfaction with local entertainment- more convenience = less patience- the ever-optimizing human condition- the two types of people in the world______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- fake office conversations- digging holes / dirt therapy- life is just moving things around- cam is starting a jiu-jitsu gym- could you do this for the rest of your life?- on the other side of discomfort and challenge is the better version of you- energy is the currency of the universe- images impress attitudes upon the body / sublime- Arizona is for aliens / surrealism- you should only do something if it’s painful not to do it- sleep for six hours right now go- get a job that you hate______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- a belief system based on radical optimism- why stealing has no benefits- why it’s important to believe these things- the war with surveillance is upon us- how AI is corrupting human history- your ability to think is controlled by a private company- AI as inspiration and influence- expanding the domain of understanding- AI consciousness vs human consciousness- how we make sense of reality- would it really be awesome if everyone agreed all the time?- using oranges and dice to evaluate risk- why there’s no reason to be jealous of anyone- measuring the measuring stick- how to know if you’re being useful______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- the inner peace of an artist- stepping into the shoes of an alien- rules of rejection- this is a D.A.R.E. podcast- losing my religion- if your parents were Muslim you would probably be Muslim- how the high school cafeteria made me into a painter- struck down by God for uncovering the levers of the universe- an ever-growing control room- Apple Watch enemy- things that suck about getting older- a feeling about time______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- world history for visual learners- history as a system- why it’s important for a plumber to know algebra- did sports keep me from developing a personality?- there’s gold here- 9 means the end- should i call her?- the universe gives everyone their own test- upholding your principles can stop a flood- FIFA origin- an OCD rationalization- Principle vs Intuition- why the Epstein Files haven’t been released- a problem-solving society______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- flattening the world- a window into a boundless world- what comes next?- how to use colored pencils like an architect- the edge of understanding- the comfort of a gun to the back of your head- running a marathon vs digging for treasure (reversal)- the last time we felt a sense of accomplishment- modern misconceptions of gratification- Michael’s biggest fear- aspirations to be a madman- coming to terms with impermanence- sometimes i wish things were ruined- Minecraft survival______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- how comparison is offensive- how to behave at an art exhibition- how are you measuring the success of your work?- art shouldn’t have to explain itself- something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue- should i be more mysterious?- people would talk about 9/11 a lot less if everyone knew exactly what happened and why- all i want is to want nothing- the task of the human experience- the problem with praying, a new prayer- religion as a unifying force- having a Lamborghini is the new not starving- learning from Trump- vandalizing for the greater good- the desire to be homeless______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- disobedient citizens- consequences of the process- logic / intuition / tendency- medium is the problem and hierarchy is the solution- television screen pixels- dancing coffee beans- what time of day are the shingles on the roof?- paintings about scale- God might actually be in time-out- burning ants with a magnifying glass- brain like a punch card- bucket analysis- what is the truth?- the way you cut a corner- squaring the circle- allocating farm land in Ancient Egypt______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- what you picture when you pee- Cam declares 8’s are purple- sociological geometry- memory pancakes- where should the next line go?- doing what feels wrong- Yegor said the longer your paint brush the more powerful it is- paint doesn’t want you to hold your breath- looking at the weather when you should be measuring how fast something is going- a middle finger to your own box- idea seeds- articulation- Placement vs Selection- infinite thickness- the ocean is made of LEGOs- economy of lines- color has the power to be autonomous- the ideal function of an artist- what love actually is______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- a terrible spoon experience- the catalogue of everything you shouldn’t do- everyone has a world inside of them- swimming on the surface trying to find the right spot to dive for treasure- if you're just trying to make something good you aren’t making art- Cam’s family photos- Rush / big painting in a Little Room- the artist barrier- sucking is the best thing you can do- *crash out*- my brain is fully developed now and it’s terrible- the mastery milestone- the Potential-Maximizer Obligation______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- your ideas aren’t yours and your feelings don’t matter- teamwork- nothing profound is on the surface- name three other songs on that album- Cam will not be tricked- please tell me why the world isn’t what i think it is, but also don’t convince me the world isn’t what i think it is- is the right thing to do always the right thing to do?- don’t go to ice cream stands that have too many options for flavors even if you’re happy with the one you pick you will still be thinking about the ones you didn’t pick- the human timeline- people will always buy a thing that makes their life more convenient without thinking about if it makes their life more fulfilling- convenience arms race______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠⁠Michael: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Michael and Cam talk about:- my mom told me it’s done does that mean it’s done?- being in the painting vs outside the painting- continuity and execution- the ingredients of totality- the boundary between product and residue- Cam the shepherd- someone else is already thinking about inventing what you’re thinking about inventing- it’s your job to look at the painting- a problem- beginnings and endings or the middle?- everyone dies in the end and Rick and Michael are the only ones who know it- subconscious supercomputer calculations______________________________________________Find us on Instagram:Cam: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/camclarke16⁠Michael: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/mclbrsl

In this episode, Cam and Michael talk about:- bananas before bed- digging for treasure vs running a marathon- OCD in training- disorganization is an anesthetic- chicken salad studio- art has nothing to do with commerce- palimpsest paintings- chaos is a cop-out- calculated accidents- the bowling lanes of painting- building a painting brick by brick- my body is a machine______________________________________________