PODCAST
White People Work
by Scott Hall
White people work is a podcast designed to help white folks come to better understand themselves and grow in taking responsibility for their presence in the world. While white folks and their growth in awareness and responsibility is the primary focus, folks of color are encouraged to be a part of this journey and speak into it. Season one will have ten episodes, each with Scott answering a different question related to race and whiteness. Music is performed, recorded, and mixed by Scott Hall, mastered by Erin Hamilton.
Episodes
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Season Five, Episode Four: Exploring White Defensiveness
In this episode Scott muses on the roots of white defensive responses when the topic of race comes up, especially around DEI, reparations, or affirmative action. In seeking to start a conversation, Scott explores the white cultural value of fairness and the way that it seems to be inconsistently...
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Season Five, Episode Three: Leaning into Our Humanity
In this episode, Scott takes his first stab at one of the themes of this season: how do we lean more into the humanity we share with all people? Starting with the third tenet of whiteness--that it urges us to attempt to transcend our humanity--Scott works his way from there to his direct...
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Season Five, Episode Two: Growing in Empathy
In this episode, Scott shares some of his favorite stories of his own journey of growing in empathy, particularly as a result of displacing himself as the only white family on a block of African-American and Central American residents in South Central Los Angeles. Additionally, Scott references…
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Season Five, Episode One
Scott's back! This is the launch of season five, where Scott will dive into three key steps of growth to better understanding ourselves and find our part to play in opposing racial injustice: gaining perspective on ourselves, growing in empathy, and experiencing our shared humanity with others...
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Season Four, Episode Ten: Fulfilled Predictions and Standing on the Front Lines.
In this final episode of season four, Scott ties together the threads of the fourth season, looking back at some of the uncanny conversations that have played themselves out in real-time in the US. Scott wraps up this season of examining the US political landscape through the tenets of whiteness…
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Season Four, Episode Nine: Action, Lessons, and Hope
In this episode, Scott steps away from the historical journey to put his feet on the ground and find sustainable hope. He shares about his steps of active engagement, lessons he learns along the way, and encouragement that he is finding to balance out some of the challenging realities of the…
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Season Four, Episode Eight: Economic and Political Parallels Between 1900 and Today
In this episode Scott completes the three-week tour through the history of the turn of the century, and brings together how the threads of science, immigration, and economics parallel the current state of the US. Scott tracks the way that mounting tension and disparity between labor and employers...
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Season Four, Episode Seven: Paralleling Immigration Between 1900 and Today
In this episode Scott continues his look at the turn of the century, and how it parallels today. This is the second installation of this comparison, and traces the theme of immigration from the late 1800's through the early 1920's. Scott builds upon how the scientific ideas of eugenics and...
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Season Four, Episode Six: What Does the Turn of the 19th to 20th Century Have to Teach Us?
In this episode, Scott goes back into history mode, leaning heavily on the amazing work of Princeton historian Dr. Nell Irvin Painter in looking at what the turn of the 19th to 20th century in the US has to teach us about what we're in the midst of today. Tariffs, immigration, deportations,...
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Season Four, Episode Five: Scott's Attempts to Transcend His Own Humanity in this Stressful Political Climate.
In this episode, Scott shares in a very live way the ways that he has had a recent revelation that he's been attempting to transcend his humanity in the way he's carried his own emotions and concerns with all that happening in the US political sphere in the present. Scott shares vulnerably about...
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Season Four, Episode Four: White Ethnic Homecoming and the Hypothesis of a Place Wound with Chris Centracchio.
Scott interviews friend and co-founder of Italian Homecoming, Chris Centracchio, discussing the story of Chris's experience of being received by his long-lost Italian relatives, and the felt need it brings to the surface for many white European Americans. Chris shares his story of growing up as…
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Season Four, Episode Three: DEI Has Never Threatened Me.
In this episode Scott shares his experience of diversity, equity, and inclusion, how they have never threatened him, and why the stated narratives of DEI being dismantled in favor of merit don't hold up under scrutiny. Additionally, Scott covers the opposition to critical race theory and honest...
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Season Four, Episode Two: Dr. Corey Clay's Perspective on Race in US Politics
Scott interviews Dr. Corey Clay, a PhD in industrial/organizational psychology, and recent director of diversity and inclusion for the School of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Washington. Dr. Clay shares his unique life journey--from Texas to the military to corrections to...
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Season Four, Episode One: Words, Actions, and Politics.
This episode kicks off the start of season four with Scott sharing about the interesting relationship between words and actions as a set up for the season. He introduces the theme of the season, which will observe current political rhetoric, values, and decision-making through the lens of...
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Season Three, Episode 10: How Does Class Shape the White People Conversation
In this final episode of season three, Scott invites a guest speaker to share her experiences of growing up in an under-resourced community as a white person. Scott and the guest journey into some of the complexities of how race and class combine to chart different paths of understanding what it...
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Season Three, Episode 9: The Problems With Growth Through Seeking More Information
In this episode Scott shares a recent insight from his friend about the ways white folks tend to seek more information about racial injustice, when they're not putting into practice the information they've already learned. Beyond that, Scott explores some of the insights from James Baldwin about...
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Season Three, Episode 8: Relearning Lessons and the Wisdom of the Spiral
In this episode Scott live-processes his experiences in Ireland, and the way that he got the pilgrimage he needed, not the one he wanted. Scott brings a present-tense level of processing the humiliating nature of learning the same lessons over again with higher stakes, and how that is part and...
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Season Three, Episode 7: How Whiteness Leads Us to a Violent Way of Being in the World
Scott goes back to the "stick" in this episode, breaking down his take on how the ideology of whiteness leads people to a violent way of being in the world. He takes the tenants of whiteness--the god-complex that centers itself, controls others, and seeks to transcend humanity--and breaks down…
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Season Three, Episode 6: Getting Out From Underneath Whiteness at Home
In this episode, Scott takes a more personal turn to share his experiences from his own family of origin, and how he and his wife have discovered and stumbled into ways to live differently in their home now, as they host friends and neighbors, and as they raise their family. While some of the...
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Season Three, Episode 5: the connection between whiteness and anti-semitism
TRIGGER WARNING: this episode contains direct quotes of historical anti-Jewish literature and ideas that are disturbing. In this episode Scott seeks to shed a little bit more light on the historic connection between whiteness and anti-semitism, and in doing so clarify the confusing…
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Season Three, Episode 4: the relationship between identity and privilege
In this episode, Scott breaks down the complex relationship between race, dominance, privilege, and personal identity, particularly for white European Americans. While it is common to be unaware of these dynamics for white men like Scott, learning to notice them, empathize with those most hurt by...
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Season Three, Episode 3: All We Can Do Is the Best We Can Do
In this episode Scott balances out the "stick" of the challenge in the previous episode with the "carrot" of how white folks can be free from the pressure of trying to never make mistakes, and--how when white folks do deep work on themselves--there's good that come out of them that might be…
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Season Three, Episode 2: White Niceness and the Ideals/Reality Gap
Welcome to episode two of the third season! This episode reveals Scott's exploratory thoughts on the ways white people can tend toward being falsely nice, what's behind that, and why it might be a deeper issue than one would think. Follow Scott's recent story from a friend and how it connects to...
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Season Three, Episode 1: Evolving Thoughts on Whiteness
Welcome to Season Three! Scott's been living out the principles of the first two seasons, testing out ideas and theories and learning new things, and he's back, ready to share more of the journey of understanding himself as a white person, and taking responsibility for his presence in the world.…
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Season Two, Episode Ten: Reflections on the Interviews
In this episode, Scott shares his reflections on the past season's interviews with eight of his friends of color as well as a new insight he's had into why it is that whiteness is so toxic and unsustainable.
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Season Two, Episode Nine: Silvia Ahn
My conversation with Silvia Ahn charts her upbringing as a conservative Korean American evangelical, and the process of transformation by which she has come to live out a deep spirituality of liberation and solidarity with marginalized communities. Silvia recently completed a master's degree in...
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Season Two, Episode Eight: Jovanie Smith
Join my conversation with my friend and colleague, Jovanie Smith. Jovanie is a black Haitian-American woman who lives in Atlanta, Georgia. Jovanie shares about the significance of her family in building up her strong sense of self, and reveals some of the wisdom and lessons about how to thrive in...
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Season Two, Episode Seven: Alex Hsu
In this episode, Scott interviews his long-time friend, Alex Hsu. Alex is a Taiwanese American man who is a theatre actor in the San Francisco Bay Area. Alex leads the conversation into discussing whiteness through the lens of how it intersects with toxic masculinity, and about how that...
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Season Two, Episode Six: Abner Ramos
Join me in sitting at the feet of my friend, Abner Ramos. Abner is a Honduran immigrant to the US who after graduating from UCLA, moved back the East LA Area to work begin what has now been an almost 25 year dedication to advocating for underresourced students and communities. Not only does…
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Season Two, Episode Five: Mark Yim
Welcome to season two of White People Work! In this episode, I interview my long-time friend, Mark Yim. Mark is an attorney in the Los Angeles area, and shares in detail about his experience as a Korean American immigrant. Mark leads us into discussion about Asian American identity, and the...
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Season Two, Episode Four: Brandi Miller
In this episode, in addition to starting out with my own confession of the realities of being on this journey of taking responsibility for my own character formation as a white man, I interview the insightful Brandi Miller. Brandi has an incredibly popular podcast of her own--Reclaiming My...
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Season Two, Episode Three: Larissa Marks
This week I interview my friend, Larissa Marks. Born and raised in rural Maui and now living on Oahu, Larissa is a realtor and a spiritual director. Larissa is a fifth generation Chinese American woman who has done a lot of deep work to come to a powerful sense of her own personal and ethnic...
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Season Two, Episode Two: Eddy Ekmekji
Join me for the first published interview of my friend, Eddy Ekmekji. Eddy is an Armenian American immigrant, grew up in Lebanon and immigrated to the US at age 10. He's a thoughtful soul who knows how to navigate in and out of the white world in the US, and as a result has deep perspectives that...
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Season Two, Episode One: Welcome to the Inteviews!
This is the first episode in the second season of White People Work! I've spent the last couple months in a new season of learning, teaching a class, and interviewing a number of friends of color about their perspectives on whiteness, white people, and their experience of life in the US as folks…
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WPW Episode 10, How do you process it when whiteness comes close to home?
In this final episode of the first season, Scott shares about what it looks and feels like to have whiteness come close to home. As he processes the death of his father, Scott looks at the ways that the culture of whiteness shaped his family of origin and contributed to both his parents'…
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WPW Episode 9, Why are white progressives sometimes the worst?
In this episode, Scott illuminates the most common problems with white progressives, even while identifying himself as one. This episode is targeted at folks who tend to identify as white progressives and is designed to hold a mirror up to their most common blind spots toward the end of being...
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WPW Episode 8, Why is assessing not just intention but impact so important?
In this episode, Scott does a deep dive on the issue of intent versus impact. This is a very common complaint of folks of color about white folks. Often white folks want to be assessed on the intent of their words, actions, or choices, yet in contrast, folks of color are often more focused on the...
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WPW, Episode 7, What are the social skills and concepts needed to be a healthy white person?
In contrast to the last two episodes, which featured common practices that injure folks of color and common pitfalls white folks fall into, this episode is a proactive expression of cross-cultural practices that are healthy for white people.
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WPW Episode 6, What are the common pitfalls of white folks early in the racial awareness journey?
In this sixith episode, Scott goes into some of the pitfalls white folks can fall into as they grow in racial awareness, and how to avoid them.
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WPW Episode 5, What are the common practices of white folks that injure and alienate folks of color?
In this fifth episode, Scott lays out the eight common practices of white folks that injure and alienate folks of color. Additionally, he lays out why it's so important that this isn't a list of do's and don'ts for white folks--and what's wrong with that--but that it comes from a place of deeper...
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WPW Episode 4, How do we get out from underneath whiteness?
In this episode, Scott pushes into the implications of the deeper definition of whiteness, exposes the directives of whiteness, and charts a path for getting out from underneath it. If you can make it through this episode, then this podcast is definitely for you!
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WPW Episode 3, What is whiteness and where does it come from? Part 2 of 2.
In this episode, Scott goes deeper into the history of the formation of whiteness and race, including the historical impact of scientific racism and eugenics and how they continue to shape the unconscious conditioning of us who are white, today. This episode includes Scott's deeper definition of...
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WPW Episode 2, What is whiteness and where does it come from? Part 1 of 2.
In this second episode, Scott defines whiteness and goes into the history of race that is crucial to understand if white folks are to truly understand themselves. It's this history that shapes how we understand ourselves as white folks in the US, and that shapes what so many friends and…
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WPW Episode 1, Welcome to White People Work
Welcome to White People Work, helping white folks understand ourselves and take responsibility for our presence in the world. My name is Scott Hall, and this is the introductory episode launching my first season of content. In this episode, you'll get a sense of who I am, and why I feel this...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
White people work is a podcast designed to help white folks come to better understand themselves and grow in taking responsibility for their presence in the world. While white folks and their growth in awareness and responsibility is the primary focus, folks of color are encouraged to be a part of this journey and speak into it. Season one will have ten episodes, each with Scott answering a different question related to race and whiteness. Music is performed, recorded, and mixed by Scott Hall, mastered by Erin Hamilton.
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