Wine Talks with Paul K.

I met Stetson years ago. Orange wine was not a thing. But he was making it a thing. I was intrigued by his commitment to the sector and the develpment of Georgian wine in the US, particularly in Los Angeles. Bringing Stetson Robbins onto this show is like popping the cork on a bottle you've never heard of, from a country you can barely pronounce, and finding it's the most fascinating taste you didn't know you craved. Forget everything you thought you knew about wine, because this conversation isn't about chasing the next California cab or French pinot—this is about tracking the wild, unfiltered edge of the wine world through the forgotten vineyards of Eastern Europe, where tradition, culture, and rebellion ferment side by side. The conversation focused on peeling away the comfort (and sometimes the snobbery) of the usual wine stories and diving deep into what it means for a wine to actually taste like where it's from—right down to the hands, palates, and histories of the people making it. One concept discussed was the big secret of "terroir"—not just dirt, weather, or latitude, but the food, the local tradition, and even the pressures of the market itself. These are wines born not just from grapevines, but from migration, resistance, and centuries of culinary survival. You'll learn how post-Soviet countries like Slovenia, Croatia, and Georgia have turned their backs on cookie-cutter commercial varietals, instead resurrecting their own native grapes and bringing ancient techniques—like wild fermentation in massive underground clay qvevris—right to the glasses of skeptical sommeliers and thirsty Brooklynites alike. A key theme that emerged was that true winemaking is messy, unpredictable, and profoundly human. The discussion explored not only what orange wine actually is (spoiler: it's not fruit salad in a glass), but why it's shaking up wine scenes from coast to coast, frustrating purists and delighting experimenters. Several points were raised, including how even the act of importing these bottles is a full-throttle exercise in grit, luck, and sometimes chaos. This episode will have you questioning everything you thought made a good wine—and craving an adventure, not just a drink. 🍾 How the culture, cuisine, and quirks of a region become liquid in your glass 🍾 Why "orange wine" is the oldest new thing in the wine world—and why it's taking over 🍾 The radical differences between Eastern European winemaking and Western obsessions 🍾 What really happened when ancient amphoras met modern Brooklyn bars 🍾 How grape genetics, wild fermentation, and centuries-old mistakes are now marketing gold 🍾 Why, after this hour, you might never look at a wine label—or a waiter—the same way   Stetson Robbins is a dynamic force in the world of wine, fusing a theatrical background with a passion for exploring wine's deepest roots. His journey began in college, majoring in theater and delving into Greek studies, where the Dionysian tradition first sparked his fascination with the cultural significance of wine 03:06. Waiting tables at Walt's Wharf in Seal Beach introduced him to the nuanced world of wine service, and fueled his desire to learn more. Encouraged by a wine-focused restaurant culture, he pursued sommelier training, including the Court of Master Sommeliers—a path that led him from Walt's Wharf to Napa Rose at Disneyland, a renowned training ground for aspiring sommeliers 06:10. Despite this foundation, Stetson Robbins's real intrigue lay in the stories of winemakers and the diverse cultures shaping wine across the globe. His move into retail at shops specializing in value-driven French wines connected him with import specialist Peter Mann, opening the doors to heritage tastings in Bordeaux and Burgundy 08:07. The true turning point came with Blue Danube Wine, where he championed unique Eastern European wines—particularly from regions overlooked in the U.S. market, including Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary, and Georgia. Over more than a decade, Stetson Robbins was instrumental in building Blue Danube's portfolio and expanding its footprint to markets like New York and Los Angeles 22:46. Today, Stetson Robbins is co-founder of Black Lamb, a California-based boutique wine importer run alongside his wife. Black Lamb specializes in sourcing wines from the Slovenian-Italian border and the Republic of Georgia, focusing on traditional, "ancient" winemaking techniques such as skin-fermented whites ("orange wines") and wines fermented in Georgian qvevris. His mission is equal parts education and adventure: introducing curious American drinkers to the diversity, culture, and terroir that make these wines unforgettable 01:06:30.

I am pretty sure you didn't catch the article in the Somm Journal written by David Schulner. And if you did, you were not as jealous as I was. Well, let's call it inspired. Trading the glitz of Hollywood for the chaos of the restaurant floor, David Schulner doesn't just pour wine—he pours gasoline on the genteel myths swirling around it. You'll hear what happens when a successful TV showrunner, fresh off the picket lines of the 2023 writers' strike, crashes headfirst into the closed ranks of Michelin-star restaurants. Forget those dreamy drone shots over gleaming vineyards; David Schulner exposes the cutthroat realities of wine service, the humiliations of being the new kid at 50, and why, even with a TV resumé, you can't buy your way onto the restaurant floor. If you still think wine is all velvet gloves and romantic stories, think again—this is one guest who's happy to spill the dirty secrets, right alongside the Pomerol. In this episode, you'll discover what hospitality really means in an industry obsessed with pedigree, why most people—Sommeliers included—are entirely faking it, and who gets left behind when Napa and Bordeaux "evolve." David Schulner and Paul Kalemkiarian aren't afraid to torch the sacred cows of the wine world, from pretentious tasting rooms to the sanitized myths of customer service. Instead of parroting the party line, you'll get a front-row seat to the raw, awkward, ego-bruising reality of what it takes to serve, sell, and survive when the masks come off. If you're tired of wine podcasts that sound like a sommelier's TED Talk—or shows that make the industry look like a playground for privileged insiders—this conversation will rattle your cage. David Schulner lays bare why most restaurants won't hire a middle-aged rookie with Hollywood connections, why real hospitality is an act of rebellion against wine snobbery, and how every industry he's loved is "on the death knell"—and that's exactly what makes them magic. The result? An unfiltered, sometimes uncomfortable, ultimately inspiring blueprint for anyone who's ever wondered if there's a place for outsiders in one of the world's most insular trades. You won't just walk away with surface-level talking points. You'll come away with forbidden knowledge and questions that might keep you up at night. Here's your table of contents—open these books at your own risk: 📖 What really happens when you trade TV scripts for wine lists—and why most in the business never see it coming 📖 Why restaurant jobs are harder to land than a first break in Hollywood, no matter your resumé 📖 The dirty secrets of wine certification, and why being a "Certified Sommelier" doesn't mean you actually know anything 📖 How high culture and humble hospitality are always at war behind the scenes—plus who gets trampled in the process 📖 Why Napa's "downturn" might just be the shake-out the wine world desperately needs—and who stands to lose their shirts 📖 The myth of the red carpet: why the best service isn't about knowing the bottle but about making everyone—even a broke, muddy waiter—feel royal Consider this episode your permission slip to crash the velvet rope, ignore the script, and step backstage to where the true drama—and the best conversations—actually unfold.   YouTube:  https://youtu.be/LsTL52ewBGI Websites of Companies Mentioned Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/ Juilliard: https://www.juilliard.edu/ William Morris Agency (now WME): https://wmeagency.com/ Court of Master Sommeliers: https://www.mastersommeliers.org/ Napa Valley Wine Academy: https://napavalleywineacademy.com/ Gwen Restaurant (by Curtis Stone): https://www.gwenla.com/ Maude (by Curtis Stone): https://www.mauderestaurant.com/ Silver Oak: https://www.silveroak.com/ Caymus Vineyards: https://www.caymus.com/ Opus One Winery: https://www.opusonewinery.com/ Grgich Hills Estate: https://www.grgich.com/ Robert Sinskey Vineyards: https://www.robertsinskey.com/ Wine Paris: https://www.wineparis-vinexpo.com/ Stagecoach Vineyards (now owned by Gallo): https://www.gallo.com/ Vieux Château Certan: https://www.vieuxchateaucertan.com/ Château Cheval Blanc: https://www.chateau-cheval-blanc.com/ AdVini Global: https://www.advini.com/ Châteauneuf-du-Pape (general region info): https://www.chateauneuf.com/ Wine Masters TV: https://winemasters.tv/ SOMM TV: https://www.sommtv.com/ Strand House (Manhattan Beach): https://thestrandhousemb.com/   Great story.

I first met Patrick at our favorite steak house in Manhattan Beach; the Arthur J.  The wine list there is one of the most thought out I have seen in all my travels. It was Patricks first day there. We had an intriguing conversation and returned a week later to continue our discussion. Serendipitously, by me eavesdropping on a conversation, I learned that Patrick had authored a book: The Last Days of Haute Cuisine.  I was seriously taken by this accomplishment and immediately found the book on Amazon and voraciously read it cover to cover. A stroy of food in America that had been untold prior. Patric Kuh knows a thing or two about the high wire act that is fine dining—after all, he's balanced on that tightrope both in kitchens and at critics' tables, with a sharp pen and a sharper palate. If you've ever dreamed of opening a restaurant, wondered what true "haute cuisine" actually means, or questioned why credit cards changed the whole dining landscape, this is the episode that will entice your culinary curiosity and satisfy your appetite for secrets behind the swinging kitchen doors. You'll discover not just the drama of French chefs staking their claim in midcentury Manhattan, but how the evolution of American dining reflects bigger shifts in society: from exclusivity and velvet ropes to the democratization of great food and the rise of everyday restaurants as vibrant community hubs. Listen as Kuh exposes the risks, financial heartbreak, and ritual of keeping a kitchen spotless—and why a chef's towel over the shoulder means more than a thousand Instagram likes. The conversation dives into the nuts and bolts of writing a food book, the art of savoring (and sometimes cutting) stories, and the age-old rule for restaurant critics to never, ever accept a free meal. By the end, you'll come away with intimate knowledge of how Patric Kuh peels back layer after layer of the restaurant world—one story at a time—until a living, breathing portrait of cuisine, culture, and ambition is served up before you. Here are a few of the fascinating things you'll learn: 🔪 The real meaning—and controversy—behind "haute cuisine" and how it shaped American dining 🔪 How the invention of the credit card forever changed who was allowed to dine in fine restaurants 🔪 Why some of the greatest restaurant stories, like the Kennedy clan being kicked out of Le Pavillon, have roots in deeper social dynamics 🔪 The rigorous (sometimes ruthless) standards of kitchen cleanliness and why they matter to chefs at every level 🔪 What it actually takes—emotionally, financially, and physically—to open and run a successful restaurant 🔪 The unwritten laws of food criticism: anonymity, honesty, and the line that separates opinion from influence YouTube: https://youtu.be/giWG6tQxhOU Links to items spoke about: Spotify Stitcher Google Play iTunes / Apple Podcasts Los Angeles Magazine Pages, a Bookstore Arthur J DoorDash Grubhub Love & Salt Sequoia Grove Winery Osteria Mozza Michelin Guide Le Cirque Chez Panisse Bellagio Las Vegas All Day Baby 21 Royal (Disneyland) #WineTalks, #FoodWriting, #RestaurantLife, #FineDining, #HauteCuisine, #NouvelleCuisine, #MichelinGuide, #FoodHistory, #FoodCritic, #CulinaryArts, #Restaurateur, #Hospitality, #FrenchCuisine, #FoodCulture, #DiningExperience, #LAeats, #WritersLife, #JamesBeardAward, #FoodPodcast, #CulinaryStories

When you meet Jessica Kogan (in-person or virtual), it takes exactly 2/3's of a second to realize she is a force of nature...marketing nature as it were. Perhaps the most frequent guest on Wine Talks, each episode has had a unique viewpoint on the latest in wine marketing, data mining, and outside pressures. I welcome back, Jessica Kogan. If you think Napa is just for tuxedoed snobs or that wine tastings only happen in picturesque châteaus, wait until Jessica Kogan shakes up your tired assumptions. Jessica Kogan is the industry disruptor who believes the heart of wine isn't bottled in glass—it's poured out in the local grocery aisle, one wild, unfiltered conversation at a time. You'll hear how she's forging revolution from the retail trenches, ditching sterile focus groups for nearly a million real-life customer conversations every year. Here, sampling isn't just some checkbox—it's a battleground where authentic brand love is won, and the old guard of wine marketing is put on notice. Forget discounting your way into hearts. Jessica Kogan explains why slashing prices only slices away the soul of your brand and how risk, confidence, and even the rise of wine-in-a-can are reshaping the landscape. She'll tell you why the TikTok generation isn't afraid of booze—they're just bored by mediocre storytelling and fake experiences. Get ready for uncomfortable truths: Wine is in danger of losing the next generation unless it gets back to basics—face-to-face, glass-to-glass, moment-to-moment. And yes, the magic of Napa is still alive, but it's happening at the checkout line, not behind velvet ropes. By the end, you'll realize that the future of wine may just be as much about listening as it is about tasting. And in the era of digital everything, you might crave the next awkward, enlightening chat with a stranger offering you a sample at the store. What you'll learn: Why sampling in your neighborhood supermarket might be more revolutionary than any digital campaign How the wine aisle became a confidence-sapping jungle—and how to hack your way through Why discounting is for cowards and storytellers win the real loyalty wars How Gen Z and Millennials are demanding their wine—and why "wine in a can" isn't a joke The dirty little secret about focus groups vs. real-world conversations with nearly a million shoppers Why, if wine doesn't get back to real human connection, it might lose its soul forever   Cameron Hughes Wines: https://chwine.com Vintage Wine Estates: https://www.vintagewineestates.com HSP Brands: https://hspbrands.com Total Wine & More: https://www.totalwine.com Château Haut-Bailly: https://www.haut-bailly.com Donna Karan: https://www.donnakaran.com   #wineindustry #podcast #winetasting #JessicaKogan #PaulKalemkiarian #NapaValley #Sonoma #consumerexperience #winemarketing #retailinsights #directtoconsumer #wineclubs #brandstorytelling #HSPBrands #digitalmarketing #experientialmarketing #offpremisesales #winetrends #winepricing #RTDs

You have not heard it all, contrary to the American colloquialism "Now...I've heard it all." I've seen many professionals trade in their shingle for the wine trade. Attorneys, eye doctors, MDs, and others. Most of the time they are seeking the lifestyle that is purported to belong to winemaking. For sure, this type of career move will test your resolve; many find out that it wasn't and isn't what they were seeking. Enter Dr. Jan Krupp, a celebrated Internist who got the calling. Can you imagine? Solid career, solid practice, helping others all tossed to the side of the road to enter the wine trade. But when he was told that his most desired property was virtually useless for wine grapes, he jumped at the opportunity- yes, jumped at the opportunity. This adventure would become the famed Stagecoach Vineyards....and turn into a multi-million dollar sale to Gallo. Trading a stethoscope for a shovel is not your everyday midlife crisis, but Dr. Jan Krupp makes it sound as natural as coaxing vines from volcanic rock. In this episode, you're invited into the world of a physician who took the road less traveled—straight up an unplantable Napa hillside—to plant the seeds of what would become the famed Stagecoach Vineyard. You'll discover how Dr. Jan Krupp applied scientific precision and creative drive to transform barren land into one of California's most celebrated grape sources, all while welding together risk, relentless work, and a bit of luck in the kiln of family partnership. Listen as he peels back the layers of his own journey—from home winemaking in a garage to collaborating with legendary consultants and top winemakers, each step a blend of experimentation and vision. You'll gain an inside look at his new book, Forging Eden, an exploration not just of Napa terroir, but of personal transformation and resilience. Along the way, Dr. Jan Krupp and Paul Kalemkiarian reveal the untold challenges that come with creating a world-class vineyard, wrestle with the shifting tides of Napa's hospitality and wine tourism, and debate the future of authentic winemaking in the age of crown caps and experiential brands. 🥂 The creative leap from medicine to winemaking: what drove Dr. Jan Krupp to leave a successful career for the unknowns of Napa's rocky hillsides 🥂 The secrets behind transforming "unplantable" land into the renowned Stagecoach Vineyard, and why the world's top winemakers wanted his fruit 🥂 The intricate dance between science and intuition in crafting both grapes and wine—without ever having to earn a diploma from UC Davis 🥂 Personal sacrifices and how major life decisions—including upheavals in family—shaped the very landscape of modern Napa viticulture 🥂 A firsthand account of Napa's evolving wine scene, tourism struggles, and whether a new generation can discover the same passion for handcrafted wines 🥂 How inspiration—and a little serendipity—can help you forge your own path, no matter how daunting the odds Pour yourself a glass and settle in for a conversation that uncorks the realities, risks, and rewards of chasing a vision that changed the face of California wine. YouTube: https://youtu.be/LkZaS3b8rLI Places and companies you may have heard during the show: Stagecoach Vineyards: https://www.stagecoachvineyard.com/ Krupp Brothers: https://kruppbrothers.com/ Silver Oak: https://www.silveroak.com/ Wine of the Month Club: https://www.wineofthemonthclub.com/ Trader Joe's: https://www.traderjoes.com/ Château Montelena: https://montelena.com/ Opus (Opus One Winery): https://www.opusonewinery.com/ Orin Swift: https://www.orinswift.com/ Gallo (E. & J. Gallo Winery): https://www.gallo.com/ Caymus: https://www.caymus.com/   #wine, #winetalks, #napavalley, #stagecoachvineyard, #kruppbrothers, #drjankrupp, #winestory, #vineyardlife, #winepodcast, #forgingeden, #winemaking, #wineenthusiast, #winehistory, #medicinetowine, #grapegrowing, #wineinspiration, #napawine, #californiawine, #familybusiness, #wineindustry      

When you travel to the south end of Bordeaux, you enter a different feel, a different approach, a proud regional group. What was once just called the Graves district, now has su-appelations and this one is Pessac-Leognon. Home of some amazing Chateau that seem to be understanding and coming to grips with the changing consumer landscape.  The region is steeped in tradition, and it should continue to be, but is working hard to attrack and speak to younger consumers. One of the methods spoke about in this part of Bordeaux is enhancing the experience; how can we as a group of wineries, enhance the experience of our guests and visitors? To help answer that question...Ludovic Fradin stopped by the studio to explain.     Ludovic Fradin didn't just bring bottles to the studio—he brought a Molotov cocktail for Bordeaux's old-guard comfort zone, ready to toss assumptions out the window. If you've ever wondered whether the grand estates of France cling too tightly to tradition or if Napa's bombastic wines are leaving drinkers fatigued and culture lost, this episode goes where few dare. With a story that spans centuries but speaks to tomorrow, Ludovic Fradin offers an unapologetic look inside Château Smith Haut Lafitte's audacious transformation—from chemical farms to unapologetically biodynamic sanctuaries, from closed chateaux to palatial hotels, and from dusty coat arms to bottles boasting "the law of the 3 F's." You'll rethink what it means to "know" a wine, and how real progress might actually mean going back in time. What happens when you introduce modern bio-engineering, moon-based pruning, and artificial intelligence into a palace where even the labels are centuries old? Ludovic Fradin doesn't shy away from the tension: there is hard truth in talking about yield loss, generational divides, and why many Bordeaux neighbors still refuse to open their doors—or their minds—to change. And as Paul Kalemkiarian challenges every easy answer, listeners hear the friction between business survival, family legacy, a king's endorsement, and the simple, elusive pursuit of a truly honest glass. You'll witness a world where hospitality is suddenly Bordeaux's new weapon, while the industrial "big boys" threaten to swallow up centuries of culture with a single distribution contract. Walk away from this episode not just with facts, but with a new set of suspicions about what's in your glass, how it got there, and who wants to control the story you're told. You will learn: 🍷 Why converting to organic and biodynamic isn't just a marketing move—it's a controversial gamble that can slash yields and upset centuries of agricultural "wisdom." 🍷 How the Bordelais' new obsession with American-style hospitality upends the region's famously frosty traditions—and why some natives hate it. 🍷 The hidden impact of consolidation by massive distributors, and whether unique, soulful wines can survive in an industry obsessed with scale and sameness. 🍷 What really changes in the winery—and in the bottle—when chemicals are abandoned for nature, lunar calendars, and AI weather forecasts, and why some results defy the myths. 🍷 The reason even King Charles made the pilgrimage to Smith Haut Lafitte, and what his visit says about the fight for the soul (and future) of European wine. Smith Haut Lafitte (Smithite): https://www.smith-haut-lafitte.com/ Cattier/Cathiard Vineyard (Napa): https://www.cathiardvineyard.com/ Château Haut Bailly:  https://www.haut-bailly.com/ Caudalie (cosmetics): https://www.caudalie.com/ Château La Fleur de Boüard: https://www.lafleurdebouard.com/ Château La Lagune: https://www.chateau-lalagune.com/ Yellow Tail: https://www.yellowtailwine.com/ La Vieille Ferme: https://www.lavieilleferme.com/ Gallo (E. & J. Gallo Winery): https://www.gallo.com/ LVMH (Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton): https://www.lvmh.com/ If clarification is required on any company name or spelling, please specify.    #wine, #winetalks, #bordelaisewine, #smithhautlafitte, #ludovicfradin, #paulkay, #winepodcast, #organicwine, #biodynamicwine, #frenchwine, #napavalleywine, #winehistory, #winestory, #winelover, #winelife, #winemaking, #cathiardvineyard, #hospitality, #foodandwine, #terroir