With Love And Justice For All

Welcome to The Unfinished Circle - a podcast for people living inside questions that don’t resolve neatly. This isn’t a place for quick answers. It’s a place to stay with the questions.  This month we are focusing on RETHINKING ABUNDANCE - specifically, what generosity and sufficiency mean during escalating economic disparity. In this episode we explore the idea that maybe abundance was never missing or something you attract - maybe it’s something you stop interrupting.** *SAVE THE DATE* Join our Zoom gathering on Tuesday, June 3, 2026 from 7:30-9:00pm ET as we share and process our experiences of Rethinking Abundance. Free registration coming soon.

Welcome to The Unfinished Circle - a podcast for people living inside questions that don’t resolve neatly. This isn’t a place for quick answers. It’s a place to stay with the questions.  This month we are focusing on RAGING WHILE TIRED - The challenge of staying engaged when we’re exhausted from being angry. In this episode we ask: How do we remain engaged with the world without letting outrage consume us? *SAVE THE DATE* Join our Zoom gathering on Monday, Mar 18, 2026 from 7:30-9:00pm ET as we share and process our experiences of raging while tired. More info coming soon.

*SAVE THE DATE* Join our Zoom gathering on Monday, Mar 18, 2026 from 7:30-9:00pm ET as we share and process our experiences of raging while tired. More info coming soon.

Welcome to The Unfinished Circle - a podcast for people living inside questions that don’t resolve neatly. This isn’t a place for quick answers. It’s a place to stay with the questions.  This month we are focusing on RAGING WHILE TIRED - The challenge of staying engaged when we’re exhausted from being angry. In this episode we ask: Why does caring about the world sometimes become a form of suffering or feel like it’s breaking you? *SAVE THE DATE* Join our Zoom gathering on Monday, Mar 18, 2026 from 7:30-9:00pm ET as we share and process our experiences of raging while tired. More info coming soon.

Welcome to The Unfinished Circle - a podcast for people living inside questions that don’t resolve neatly. This isn’t a place for quick answers. It’s a place to stay with the questions.  This month we are focusing on RAGING WHILE TIRED - The challenge of staying engaged when we’re exhausted from being angry. In this episode we address what happens when anger stops being a response and becomes the air we breathe. *SAVE THE DATE* Join our Zoom gathering on Monday, Mar 18, 2026 from 7:30-9:00pm ET as we share and process our experiences of raging while tired. More info coming soon.

Welcome to The Unfinished Circle - a podcast for people living inside questions that don’t resolve neatly. This isn’t a place for quick answers. It’s a place to stay with the questions.  This month we are focusing on RAGING WHILE TIRED - The challenge of staying engaged when we’re exhausted from being angry. In this episode, Running On Anger, we are addressing: What happens when the anger that once fueled us begins to drain us? *SAVE THE DATE* Join our Zoom gathering on Monday, Mar 18, 2026 from 7:30-9:00pm ET as we share and process our experiences of raging while tired. More info coming soon.

Kelly & Ogun return with a new podcast for people living inside questions that don’t resolve neatly. Welcome to The Unfinished Circle

In our rejection of fascism and authoritarianism, are we taking the time to explore how those energies exist within us as well? Rev Kelly and Rev Ogun examine how that which we oppose also lives within us, and our spiritual work is to inquire and transform.

Kelly and Ogun give an overview of their upcoming book club selection SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND HATE and why it's necessary for non-religious folk to have some Bible education to neutralize those who weaponize scripture for harm. They also give a brief recap of their No Kings protest experiences. _____ Sign up today for our final book club selection of the year SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND HATE: A SANE PERSON'S GUIDE TO TAKING BACK THE BIBLE FROM FUNDAMENTALISTS, FASCISTS, AND FLOCK_FLEECING FRAUDS by John Fugelsang on Thursdays, Nov 6, 13, 20 at 7:30-9:00pm ET (Zoom) -- projectsanctus.com/846-book-club

The church has many faces: sanctuary, prophet, enabler, revolutionary. Rev Kelly and Rev Ogun discuss the ways church is, and should be, showing up for today. Rev Kelly also reflects on moderating a discussion with John Pavlovitz, a former youth pastor and author, known for his social and political writings from a liberal Christian perspective. 

By calling God "Love" are we misunderstanding a spiritual principle and using it as an excuse to spiritually bypass? Rev Kelly and Rev Ogun discuss how the spiritual principle of LOVE is too often conflated with the comfort of emotional love, and why it leads to silence and inaction. ________ ** SAVE THE DATES ** Our final book club selection of the year SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND HATE by John Fugelsang will take place via Zoom on Thursdays, Nov 6, 13, 20 at 7:30-9:00pm ET. Registration coming soon.

Revs Kelly & Ogun break down why, if you're a movement for love and inclusion, it's not a good idea to learn strategies from hate organizations. ____ The Body Is Not An Apology offers radical self-love as the balm to heal the wounds inflicted by these violent systems. World-renowned activist and poet Sonya Renee Taylor invites us to reconnect with the radical origins of our minds and bodies and celebrate our collective, enduring strength. Join our free book study on Thur, Sep 25, 7:30pm on Zoom. Everyone is welcome regardless of how much you've read. More info & free registration at projectsanctus.com/846-book-club

Revs Kelly & Ogun discuss Charlie Kirk's murder, various reactions to it, and the struggle spiritual seekers are having as they try to live in the tension between empathy for a gun violence victim who also happened to be a vile bigot. _________ So much has happened in the last few days, and there aren't many safe spaces to process. If there was ever a week to participate in an Antiracism Affinity Group, THIS IS THE WEEK! Join our free Affinity Groups every 1st & 3rd Wed at 7:30pm ET on Zoom. More info and registration at projectsanctus.com/antiracism-affinity-groups _________ The Body Is Not An Apology offers radical self-love as the balm to heal the wounds inflicted by these violent systems. World-renowned activist and poet Sonya Renee Taylor invites us to reconnect with the radical origins of our minds and bodies and celebrate our collective, enduring strength. Join our free book study on Thur, Sep 25, 7:30pm on Zoom. Everyone is welcome regardless of how much you've read. More info & free registration at projectsanctus.com/846-book-club

In a recent interview, Democrat Rep Jamie Raskin challenged listeners to compare the Bill of Rights with the 10 Commandments. Rev Kelly accepted.  ______ Discover more about project_SANCTUS and make a donation at https://projectsanctus.com/ ______ If your body holds the wound, it also holds the way through. WHAT IT TAKES TO HEAL: HOW TRANSFORMING OURSELVES CAN CHANGE THE WORLD isn’t a self-help book. It’s a call to reclaim your wholeness in a broken world. Join us for an 8:46 Book Club deep dive on Thur, Aug 28 , 7:30-9:30pm EST (Zoom) Free registration now open at https://projectsanctus.com/846-book-club/ ______ Rituals of Justice: Sacred Practices for Collective Liberation is a 2-hour online experience for both individuals and communities who want to deepen their social justice work in ways that are rooted, sustainable, and heart-centered. Inclusive, trauma-aware, and designed to help you reconnect to what matters. This is for anyone longing to stay tender while showing up fierce. Saturday, Sept 6, 10am-12pm EST (Zoom). Registration now open at https://projectsanctus.com/events/ritualsofjustice/

Revs Kelly & Ogun explore the importance of rituals in justice work, and give a preview of their upcoming learning pod.  Discover more about project_SANCTUS and make a donation at https://projectsanctus.com/ ______ If your body holds the wound, it also holds the way through. WHAT IT TAKES TO HEAL: HOW TRANSFORMING OURSELVES CAN CHANGE THE WORLD isn’t a self-help book. It’s a call to reclaim your wholeness in a broken world. Join us for an 8:46 Book Club deep dive on Thur, Aug 28 , 7:30-9:30pm EST (Zoom) Free registration now open at https://projectsanctus.com/846-book-club/ ______ Rituals of Justice: Sacred Practices for Collective Liberation is a 2-hour online experience for both individuals and communities who want to deepen their social justice work in ways that are rooted, sustainable, and heart-centered. Inclusive, trauma-aware, and designed to help you reconnect to what matters. This is for anyone longing to stay tender while showing up fierce. Saturday, Sept 6, 10am-12pm EST (Zoom). Registration now open at https://projectsanctus.com/events/ritualsofjustice/

Rev Kelly and Rev Ogun share their thoughts about the Mehdi Hasan vs 20 Far-Right Conservatives debate, why some our clergy still struggle with addressing current issues directly, and how playing to both sides is not in alignment with our spiritual principles. To learn more about project_SANTCUS, our upcoming events, and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com Join our free book club discussion on The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century by Amia Srinivasan. Thur, Jul 27, 7:30pm ET on Zoom. More info & sign-up at projectsanctus.com/846-book-club Registration now open for our next learning pod Thriving In Troubled Times. This workshop is for anyone feeling grief, rage, exhaustion, or spiritual disorientation in the face of political cruelty and social collapse. We’ll explore spiritual tools for emotional survival, nervous system grounding, and small daily acts of sacred resistance. Sat, Jul 26, 9am ET. More info & registration at projectsanctus.com/events/thriving-troubled-times

Many of us are grieving the state of the world, our unrealized liberation dreams, and the justice work we did over the years. Rev Kelly & Rev Ogun talk about navigating this grief, and share rituals that can help us along the way. To learn more about project_SANTCUS and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com Join our free book club discussion on The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century by Amia Srinivasan. Thur, Jul 27, 7:30pm ET on Zoom. More info & sign-up at projectsanctus.com/846-book-club Registration now open for our next learning pod Thriving In Troubled Times. This workshop is for anyone feeling grief, rage, exhaustion, or spiritual disorientation in the face of political cruelty and social collapse. We’ll explore spiritual tools for emotional survival, nervous system grounding, and small daily acts of sacred resistance. Sat, Jul 26, 9am ET. More info & registration at projectsanctus.com/events/thriving-troubled-times

Rev. Kelly and Rev. Ogun discuss the relationship many spiritual seekers have with the word and idea of resistance, as well as the complexities of making a decision to flee the country in the face of oppression.  To learn more about project_SANTCUS and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com Join our free book club discussion on The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century by Amia Srinivasan. Thur, Jul 27, 7:30pm ET on Zoom. More info & sign-up at projectsanctus.com/846-book-club Registration now open for our next learning pod Thriving In Troubled Times. This workshop is for anyone feeling grief, rage, exhaustion, or spiritual disorientation in the face of political cruelty and social collapse. We’ll explore spiritual tools for emotional survival, nervous system grounding, and small daily acts of sacred resistance. Sat, Jul 26, 9am ET. More info & registration at projectsanctus.com/events/thriving-troubled-times

Rev Kelly & Rev Ogun return for a 5th season with a recap of their time off and inspiration for the work ahead in these dark times.

Recording on May 1st (International Workers Day) Revs Kelly & Ogun draw parallels between celebrating the struggles and rights of laborers and the Gaelic spring pagan festival of Beltane.

Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about the death of Pope Francis, his papacy, and how we might be more religious than we think.

Revs Kelly & Ogun view the Easter story and Jesus' life from a paradigm of revolution against Empire. 

Rev Kelly recounts her "Hands Off!" demonstration experience and discusses with Rev Ogun how our paradigm of freedom determines our attitude and action around justice.

Revs Kelly & Ogun continue their discussion about lent with a focus on joy, justice, reinvention, and finding comfort in unmade plans.

As we explore what Lent means for us today, we discuss loss, grief, and lamenting as a healing spiritual practice.

Revs Kelly and Ogun explore the potentially debilitating impact of shame, while also acknowledging that it may serve a useful purpose in justice work.

Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about prophetic spirituality as a path to clarity of conviction and commitment to justice.

Our unconscious beliefs and practices shape our language, and that language shapes our communities. Language matters, who we listen to matters, deepening our awareness of the ways we are tangled in systems of oppression such as racism, sexism, white supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism matters. On this episode Revs Kelly & Ogun take a look at contemplative practices that can help us see more clearly and cultivate our commitment to liberation for all people using disability affirming, gender inclusive and affirming, as well as culturally inclusive practices. Register for our Decolonize Your Prayers learning pod at projectsanctus.com/events/decolonize-prayer

Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about the challenges of cultivating belonging without othering those who would seek to inflict harm and death through isolationist policies. _______ Sign up for our zoon book club discussion of BELONGING WITHOUT OTHERING on Feb 27, 7:30pm ET at projectsanctus.com/846-book-club

Revs Kelly & Ogun make a direct appeal to fellow clergy to be brave and emulate Episcopalian Bishop Budde in speaking truth directly to power.  ________ Free registration is now open for our 8:46 Book Club zoom discussion on BELONGING WITHOUT OTHERING on Feb 27th. The root of all inequality is the process of othering – and its solution is the practice of belonging. For more info and to register visit projectsanctus.com/846-book-club ________ Registration is now open for our upcoming  zoom learning pod DECOLONIZE OUR PRAYERS on Feb 15. We are looking at contemplative practices that can help us see more clearly and cultivate our commitment to liberation for all people. Economic Justice pricing available. More info and registration at projectsanctus.com/events/decolonize-prayer

The Apocalypse is officially here! Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about Trump's inauguration, his slew of Executive Orders, and how we can be the antidote to the Apocalypse.  ______ Free registration is now open for our 8:46 Book Club zoom discussion on BELONGING WITHOUT OTHERING on Feb 27th. The root of all inequality is the process of othering – and its solution is the practice of belonging. For more info and to register visit projectsanctus.com/846-book-club

DEI programs and initiatives helped bring awareness to the need for justice and equity while perpetuating and creating harm. More and more corporations are scrapping their programs that were likely performative, and as a show of allegiance to the incoming administration. Revs kelly and Ogun discuss this understandable yet alarming trend, and talk about a recent event in the Unity community that showed the need for DEI programs to remain. For more info, to register for our activities, and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com

Revs Kelly & Ogun return after a break with a recap of their time off and a few hints at new project_SANCUTS opportunities for 2025. To learn more and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com

In the final episode of 2024 Kelly and Ogun explore the ways we can create new rituals and practices for Thanksgiving that are more aligned with liberation. For more info and to support the podcast visit projectsanctus.com

Revs Kelly & Ogun share their post-election thoughts and discuss next steps for the liberation revolution. _____ Find community and solidarity in our Antiracsim Affinity Groups. More info + free registration at projectsanctus.com/antiracism-affinity-groups

There have been many conversations about spiritual bypassing. In this episode Revs Kelly and Ogun talk about political bypassing, another way to avoid uncomfortable discussions about the bigger issues that continue to perpetuate systems of oppression.

Revs Kelly & Ogun discuss the legacy of colonialism and what we can do about it. They highlight some Indigenous activists you probably never heard of but need to know about.  LINKS: 10 Native American Activists You Should Know Decolonize the Holidays: An Alternative to Columbus Day (and Canadian Thanksgiving) _____________ Sign up for our EMBODIED PRACTICES FOR THE ELECTION workshop at projectsanctus.com  

As Indigenous Peoples Day approaches Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about the whitewashing and redacting of history. _________ Sign up for our workshops and make a donation at https://projectsanctus.com/  

Revs Kelly and Ogun talk about the 2nd assassination attempt on the former president and the challenge of defining Justice.  _______ Registration now open for our workshops UNCONSCIOUS BIAS and EMBODIED PRACTICES FOR ELECTIONS at https://projectsanctus.com/events/  

Kelly and Ogun briefly recap the presidential debate before sharing the importance of embodied practices as tools for navigating anxiety around the upcoming election. ------------------------ Join us on Sept 14 at 10:30am EST on Zoom for our Embodied Practices For Elections workshop. During this 90-minute live, powerful, experiential session of engaging embodied practices we will connect with our own bodily wisdom and deep resources. Registration now open at https://projectsanctus.com/events/embodied-practices-for-elections/ ------------------------ Support our work with a donation at https://projectsanctus.com/donate/  

Revs Kelly and Ogun talk about their experience participating in and hosting Affinity Groups, and why everyone needs to be in one. Join our online Affinity Group -- https://projectsanctus.com/antiracism-affinity-groups/  

It's been a WILD 10 days! We review the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, the Republican National Convention, Biden's decision not to run, and the enthusiastic embrace of Kamala Harris as the Democratic presumptive nominee for President. We also talk about the anticipated misogynoir that will come the Vice President's way, Project 2025, and how spiritual communities and clergy can respond. Links: Summary of Project 2025 - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do Misogynoir - https://www.blackburncenter.org/post/2020/02/12/what-is-misogynoir  

For the Week of Visibility for Non-Monogamy we welcome Jennifer C Martin who writes and speaks about religion, politics, polyamory, sexuality, culture, entertainment, and more. Jennifer lives in Richmond, VA with her two partners, two children, two dogs, six chickens, one cat, and one frog. She is a member of the United Church of Christ. We talk about her journey to polyamory, her coming out at church experience, and what she's teaching churches about being inclusive to non-monogamous people and familes. Learn more about Jennifer at https://jennifercmartin.com/ Learn more about the Week of Visibility for Non-Monogamy at https://www.weekofvisibility.com/  

In the lead-up to celebrating the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, we talk about how the effects of colonialism are still very much with us. 

We revisit one of our book club faves HOSPICING MODERNITY in a unique way while putting Rev Ogun on the spot. Get your very own GESTURING TOWARDS DECOLONIAL FUTURES card deck at https://decolonialfutures.net/gtdf-decks-of-cards/  

Welcoming spaces aren't necessarily inclusive spaces, and does inclusive mean everyone has to be there?  LINKS: Inclusive Spaces Workshop - https://projectsanctus.com/events/inclusive-spaces/  People of African Descent New Thought Group - https://padntg.com/  

We talk about Juneteenth and how to talk to your people about Juneteenth and other potentially uncomfortable issues.  _______ Register for our workshop TALKING WITH YOUR PEOPLE: BUILD MORE AUTHENTIC RELATIONSHIPS on June 15, 10:30am ET and learn how to navigate difficult conversations about uncomfortable issues -- https://projectsanctus.com/events/talking-with-your-people/ _______ LINKS: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/style/opal-lee-juneteenth.html https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/historical-legacy-juneteenth https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106193407/celebrate-juneteenth-the-right-way https://www.learningforjustice.org/magazine/my-pride-is-black-my-juneteenth-is-queer

May is Masturbation Month and on this episode Revs Kelly and Ogun talk about self-pleasure as a path of activism and liberation, overcoming shame and taboos, the dangerous anti-masturbation movement, and ways to celebrate this and every month. LINKS: Origins of Masturbation Month and ways to celebrate -- https://www.tryquinn.com/blog/masturbation-month Myths and benefits of masturbation -- https://www.tryquinn.com/blog/benefits-of-masturbation The anti-masturbation and NoFap movement -- https://www.npr.org/2026/01/01/1198916105/mens-health-masturbation-abstinence Incels -- https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/incels-involuntary-celibates Pleasure Activism -- https://adriennemareebrown.net/2010/11/11/the-return-of-the-pleasure-activist/  

We return for our 4th season with an exploration of obstacles to and solutions for access to mental health services for marginalized and minoritized folks.  To learn more about project_SANCTUS and to make a donation visit https://projectsanctus.com/  

Revs Kelly and Ogun continue their discussion on reparations and dismantling capitalism. Learn more and make a donation at https://projectsanctus.com/   LINKS: https://decolonizingwealth.com/ https://decolonizingwealth.com/liberated-capital/ https://thehill.com/policy/international/4559692-un-chief-slavery-reparations/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dem-congresswoman-suggests-black-americans-should-be-exempt-from-taxes-as-form-of-reparations/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/magazine-lead-stories/2958920/against-the-reparations-racket-this-progressive-scheme-compels-us-to-make-a-false-confession-about-our-nation/