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“and kind of sprinkled in some jogging here and there, and…” — Running Inside Out Podcast at 16:47

“and kind of sprinkled in some jogging here and there, and it just kind of took off from there. How old were you when you decided that? I quit drinking in 2008, so it would have been probably early 2009 by the time I started saying, I'm going to run. So around 30 or something like that? I was, yeah, 31, 32.”

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