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“I think there might've been something too. Like you were…” — Running Inside Out Podcast at 25:19

“I think there might've been something too. Like you were tired of being the hub of all this stuff and that's kind of exhausting. So then you put your energy somewhere else, right? Like, Hey, like this guy said, we got to go run. It's not me. I'm not saying we have to go run. And that makes it made it a little bit…”

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