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“you go and race on the trails. Yeah. What's that like?…” — Running Inside Out Podcast at 14:25

“you go and race on the trails. Yeah. What's that like? It's terrible. It's bad. I have some wipeouts. It's probably not the smartest, but just my fear of running in the woods by myself scares me enough to keep me off the trails. But yeah, so racing, it's probably why I'm not very good at it is practice. Let's start…”

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