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“Uh, well, I, I train with, with Dan Ostrander a lot too.…” — Running Inside Out Podcast at 17:40

“Uh, well, I, I train with, with Dan Ostrander a lot too. Um, I train with Dan every Tuesday and I usually train with Michelle either every Friday or Saturday at this point. And, um, Dan and I were talking about this on Tuesday morning and, you know, I'm a, I'm a pretty firm believer in like deliberate practice. So…”

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