“we both worked for President Obama and, you know, like…” — Pod Save America at 1:22:09
“we both worked for President Obama and, you know, like something would happen, you know, he would try to see how he could fix it, right? And even if Congress was out of the way, he'd kind of think about how he'd try to fix it another way. And sometimes people would malign that as like pat and pen strategy, but…”
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