“So they have to have done the heel turn. And is it like so…” — The Vergecast at 33:30
“So they have to have done the heel turn. And is it like so bad it's cool or just bad? Let me give you my example. So my heel turn of 2025 was Mark Benioff, just absolutely out of nowhere on a private jet demanding that Donald Trump send the National Guard to San Francisco. Just completely unprompted, goes fully wild…”
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