“And the preemptive pardons, too. Oh, those are nuts. Yeah.…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 25:41
“And the preemptive pardons, too. Oh, those are nuts. Yeah. Those are all for crimes that just don't exist. No, you're not accused of anything. What'd you do? He did not receive a pardon. His prison sentence was commuted by President Donald Trump, which let him out”
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