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“argument every time with Americans. The $1.6 trillion…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:05:42

“argument every time with Americans. The $1.6 trillion, $1.5 trillion in car loan debt. So do you think that's just a lack of education? Because a car from 2020 is just as safe as a car for 2026. There's no difference. Absolutely. There's no difference in airbags, no difference in anti-lock breaks. There's”

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