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“And that's what everyone was using. But even then I…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:38:45

“And that's what everyone was using. But even then I remember stopped using it. Like many people, most people fall off of budgeting apps because they're just burdened some. That it takes a long time to figure out the systems and they're just over engineered for the personal finance nerd that loves every”

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