“Well, I guess here is one difference with your whitewater…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:55:40
“Well, I guess here is one difference with your whitewater rafting metaphor. In that metaphor, we need to hang on. There's a risk we could smash ourselves on the rock, but if we don't do that, then there's kind of one way we end up, right, downstream.”
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