“person on a pedestal when you've got all these other…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:49:46
“person on a pedestal when you've got all these other people who are really busting their chops so when you went to the White House and they wanted to talk to you about your book did they ask you questions like what should we do what is your advice what have you learned what what were those kind of questions I mean”
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