“Oh, we're leading. We have to have a leadership role.…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 2:43:41
“Oh, we're leading. We have to have a leadership role. We're leading. That's it. Who's following? No one because it's crazy. It's hurting people. All these countries are backing off. That's the one thing that China has an advantage in is that their government and their business work like that.”
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