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“My, I'd like to call it nuanced take is that I think, I…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 2:13:47

The Joe Rogan Experience #2545 - Jesse Michels

“My, I'd like to call it nuanced take is that I think, I don't think he's lying. I don't think he's a fraud. But I think that he needs to just open source his method.”

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