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“One of the gifts of this writing a memoir was I found my…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:43:59

“One of the gifts of this writing a memoir was I found my way to be able to forgive myself. Rather than be embarrassed, I would never tell people that I spent 10 years in a cult. It's humiliating. What a dope, right? I would, you know, I was so frightened of being wrong, right?”

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