“He knows what to do. He's leader. He's John Wayne in my…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:47:11
“He knows what to do. He's leader. He's John Wayne in my generation, you know, more Steve McQueen, but okay, a little later. Yeah. But you're certainly not taught to say humility and say, I don't know. And humility has a bad taint to it because it smells of weakness, but it's not.”
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