“it's the same effect at a certain point in my career. I've…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:57:40
“it's the same effect at a certain point in my career. I've noticed I have a the word stelte-fying comes to mind effect on the process. And the people I love working with could give a shit about my opinion. And I love that because then there's back and forth. Then”
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