“there's arguments. There's, you know, there's…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:57:58
“there's arguments. There's, you know, there's collaboration. Yeah, and it has to happen that way to do it right. That's fun. It's also great that you recognize that your presence can make them nervous and fuck it up. Yeah, and you want to go and understand. I actually don't know what I'm doing.”
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