“That's fascinating. Yeah. I think it's almost lost. It was…” — The Joe Rogan Experience at 1:04:38
“That's fascinating. Yeah. I think it's almost lost. It was the 17th century writing which was in Samuel Johnson who said become a beast to get rid of the pain of being a man. And I think so often we've lost that certainly for me when swimming in many ways I was very much inspired by”
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