“to make the photographs. So I'm taking the photographs…” — Airing Pain at 1:32
“to make the photographs. So I'm taking the photographs, but using their metaphors, some of their ideas, we discuss the ideas together. So they really are co-creations and they bring in all sorts of objects. And the reason I want to be co-creations is I think by the time someone's got to a pain clinic, they've been…”
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