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“In chronic pain, you can't do that. You have to be far…” — Airing Pain at 28:43

“In chronic pain, you can't do that. You have to be far more flexible. This is why I very much support, for example, the expert patient program, enablement, empowering patients to help be part of the solution. And it's not in a sort of fuzzy, wuzzy sort of, well, let's just all hug and hold each other's hands. It's…”

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